the white house reports that both president trump and vice president pence have phoned brett kavanaugh to offer him support. let s go to outside the hearing room. tell us what you are seeing there. well, jake, many senators, of course, arriving to this key hearing. we are seeing senators walk down the hallway. we just saw the chairman of this committee, chuck grassley, arrive and go into a back room of the committee hearing. he was asked what he is hoping for today, and he just said simply a fair hearing for everyone and certainly worth remembering that chuck grassley has so much pressure, over sized pressure on his shoulders today to construct a fair hearing as the chairman of this committee. he has at times over the last 48 hours shown signs of frustration as the back and forth and the fast moving developments have engulfed him at times. jeff flake is a key voice.
want to have a person on the supreme court who doesn t seem to be able to apply the facts in ways that do not meet his outcome-driven agenda. at the same time, we now have this cloud. we already have one person on the supreme court who got there under this cloud. we should not have another. the last time you questioned brett kavanaugh, you asked whether he ever committed sexual harassment or assault as a legal adult. he replied no. this allegation took place when he was supposedly 17 years old. yeah. why do you caveat the question with legal adult? that would have excluded, obviously, this incident. sure. which he denies anyway. 17-year-old is no child. it s not a baby. i ask that question because juvenile records are sealed. it s as simple as that? pretty much. yes, that is why. it seems to delineate behavior 18 and older and behavior under 18. generally we hold adults responsible for their behavior and it s that reason. but these are questions that
she believes her but doesn t have any memory of it. doesn t brett kavanaugh have the same presumption of innocence as anyone? i put his denial in terms of what i know about how he approaches his cases. his credibility is already very questionable in my mind and the minds of my fellow judicial committee members, the democrats. so, he comes and when i say he is very outcome driven, he has an ideological agenda, very outcome driven. i can sit here and talk to you about some of the cases that sxe exemplifies, in my view, his inability to be fair. this is a person that will be sitting on our supreme court, making decisions that will impact women s reproductive choice. he very much is against women s reproductive choice. i can tell you two very important cases in which he applied the same standard but
and a runny nose, plus nasal congestion, which most pills don t. it s more complete allergy relief. flonase. welcome back to state of the union. cnn has learned that the fourth person that christine blasey-ford says was at the party where supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh sexually assaulted her says she doesn t remember being at that party but believes blasey-ford. we also have heard that ford is in favor of a public hearing.
one member who has been making headlines for her fiery defense of ford joins us now, maise hirono. thank you for being here. thank you, jake. what do you plan to ask brett kavanaugh? there s a lot of issues surrounding brett about what happened in high school. even before this happened he had credibility issues in three days of testimony. he s a very outcome driven in terms of how he views cases before him. so i had issues with his credibility and how he went about things way before this even happened. your not going to talk to him about policy at this hearing. this hearing is about we want to hear i would be wanting to hear what kind of environment it was in high school. apparently there was a lot of drinking and partying going on. this is why we need an investigation. we need an independent investigation that lays all of that out for us, so there s at least some chance of some outside entity, like the fbi,