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Examined what happened with all the republican-induced shutdowns over the years, youre telling me that none of these things would have happened in past times, grover? >> well, okay, when you go back, carter had five shutdowns with only democrats in the house and senate and they lasted ten days each, 58 days total under carter. he didnt these things. do you remember him shutting down mt. rushmore and stuff like that? no, because he was trying to make things work, not trying to make political poin...