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if the democrats had moved the government as far left as donald trump has moved it to the right, republicans would be almost berserk about it. but if you wanted a sharp ideological shift to the right, in many ways, and you ticked off the reasons there, he s been, quote successful. can we talk about mike pence? the new york times reporting that mike pence is positioning himself for 2020 just in case, you know, looking at the possibility that the trump presidency doesn t go well. pence is denying it. now, if you re a pence person, if you re someone looking out for mike pence, you wouldn t be doing your job if you weren t doing this. i mean, this is how it works, isn t it? exactly. but he s got to be careful. but here i don t think we necessarily have a disagreement. that vice president pence is entitled to say we take him at his word for a moment. he s saying he s not involved
you know, looking at the possibility that the trump presidency doesn t go well. right. pence is denying it. now if you re a pence person, if you re someone who s looking out for mike pence, wow yont with doing your job if you weren t doing this. exactly. this is thousand works, isn t it? he s got to be careful. here, i think we don t necessarily have a disagreement. vice president spence entitled say we take him at his word for the moment. he s saying that he is not involved in any way, but as you point out, people who like pence, they may like trump as well, but say look, what if the kremlin investigation really takes a hard turn, it would be foolish of them not to be thinking of, look, we need to have a few things in place for the 20 presidential election. so in that sense, the times story was right. that doesn t mean that vice president pence is wrong when he says listen, it s absurd from his standpoint.