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Lets have more black cops. that worked. today we do have a better educated, more diverse police force in general. yet, we still have these problems. so, i think that one of the things the commission and the sort of the thinking in the 60s didnt get to is the role policies play. certainly the law and order and the war on drugs and things like that introduced a whole new level of required police vigilance and aggression. >> absolutely. it is extraordinary to hear that language before the war on dr...

Jury found no probable cause to have a trial over those issues. when you talk to folks in some of these communities, the concern is not that there isnt a police perspective on this, but that the police arent even forced to go into open court and have a day in court the way a lot of other people are. it sort of gets short-circuited very early. do you think thats a fair concern about the way some of these grand jury proceedings have come down or not? >> i do. i have said before, i would commend th...

Prosecutor, when you have police-involved shootings or police-involved deaths. it just -- when you listen to those facts, as i draw them out, this does not make sense to suggest that probable cause doesnt exist, that this video doesnt show, wolf, excessive force, an overreaction by the police department for is a minor infraction, is absurd. its ludicrous. everyone should be concerned about this, outraged, sickened. just sickened. >> they are. >> well, let me bring don lemon into this conversatio...

Is, what would he have needed to do differently? a lot of people talk about what the officers needed to do differently, as you believe its a chokehold, as some law enforcement have said, that in itself is a violation, but what would you want him to say differently? >> he says something like, it ends today. theres active resistance and passive resistance. it is true, its hard to draw a line. sometimes the police misread that someone is actually cooperative. so, thats the difficulty. what is the m...

Largely because of police actions, which stem also from generations of frustration around housing, jobs, educational problems. you know, these protests are good. this is the american way. but this is not enough. we need real policy change. we need real change within our police departments and the way that we approach black and brown communities. caleb, the idea this will lead to a significant change, that this will be the moment, i dont know why we would see that. >> well, it may not be the mome...

Eerily truthful today, to some negros the police have come to symbolize white power, white racism and white repression. and the fact is, many police do reflect and express these white attitudes. and when you have a police force seeming like these sort of actual arm of white supremacy coming into black communities, that is a very dangerous situation. >> i think the kerner commission was correct at the time. in fact, in los angeles you had a situation where a lot of cops actually were affiliated w...

If you had a clear video of every single minute of every single shift, of every officer in a major department, that would be an enormous step forward. yeah, this is not going to single-handedly overcome the problems of race and police use of force policies. but i think it can do a lot. the other thing we could definitely do at the cultural level is departments around the country can revisit their own internal use of force policies. every single department has a use of force policy. it sets out i...

Im sure, when she assumes office, if she assumes office. >> ann, one thing we talked a lot about with ferguson was the process that the grand jury operated under, the length of time that they took to weigh the ef evidence, the fact they did weigh every piece of evidence in the case of michael brown and officer darren wilson. talk to us about the process of this grand jury. they began hearing evidence in late september, obviously, coming back today with the decision of no indictment. is that a ty...

Not a grand jury, but a jury thats public, a six-person jury. theres a lawyer for the family, a lawyer for the officer, which ive been many times a prosecutor and a judge. they decide the who, what, when, where how of the case. they go to the prosecutor and the prosecutor decides whether or not to charge in the state system. also, theres the pocket of federal civil rights, and d.o.j. pattern or practice type of case in this case. >> ann, caleb and clay, thank you very much. stay with us. well ha...

Tightening around putin is persuasive. we have imagery that shows training for the rebels. we have imagery that shows the truck. we have intercepts of people talking about this. let me make a guess, the americans probably have the same stuff. we have social media references to this. we may have a black box. even if it doesnt show what happened with the incident. might show the airplane was operating normally up to an incident. regardless of what you find in that field, thats a pretty persuasive ...