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What about you, juan. every time we debate it seems like you are teetering. am i misreading it? >> juan: i give jesse a shot. ie want to hear what he thinks. >> kimberly: it doesnt change her mind. >> juan: it hasnt. to me, its interesting because i am pretty conservative on a lot of issues. we talked about churchgoing or you talk about family values. i could go on. especially now, the lack of outreach, lack of awareness, the arguments that tend to be so racially charged turn me off. >> jesse: t...