level. we ve got a lot of details later tonight. on a big picture level, what do you think it meant for americans to begin to see the process transparently, to understand that human beings handled the presentation of evidence, that the grand jury held its vote, that it was all on the up and up, and that now this former president and many of his lawyers and allies are being treated as racketeering defendants? i think it s wonderful. we talked about this before, ari, where part of this whole exercise needs to be about transparency and accountability. i think it s a wonderful thing the federal courts don t have cameras in the courtroom. but there needs to be an exception in this case. what transpired last night highlights the reasons for that, to show people and i think it s most important this case that people see not only the process, but they also understand the facts. you and i have talked about this before facts matter, and i think part of this whole equation is the process a
racketeering enterprise to overturn georgia s presidential election result. as you examine the indictment, you will see acts that are identified as overt acts and those that are identified as predicate acts, sometimes called acts of racketeering activity. the rico charges has time that you have to serve, so it s not a probated sentence. she knows the law. the defendants better learn it. some of them may have reason to need to know how to get out of a rico case, because it s very, very hard. as you heard the d.a. lay out there just the actual law, and this is how it works, and in georgia it s the kind of case she says does not allow for nonprison probation sentences if you re convicted. i want to show you an update to a chart we have shown before. this is now georgia specific.
activity that took place as part of this conspiracy. i think you re exactly right. with your georgia experience we wanted to get your read on everything. appreciate you coing on. professor murray agreed to return at the top of the hour as we continue our second hour special live coverage tonight. thank you both. we were just talking about rico and how powerful it is. that is our next special report. rarely do we have two in an hour, but this is a special case in history. how the mafia case, the case giuliani used to lead ensnared him and his client trump, next. t d that goes places a regular mop just can t. mop smarter with the new swiffer powermop. my husband and i have never been more active. shingles doesn t care. i go to spin classes with my coworkers. good for you, shingles doesn t care.
take a pause and i will let you election integrity issues. i ll let you go again, but we have to make a pause. if you make false statements you don t just run rough shod. it went on like that. we gave ms. ellis time, fact checked her in time, and learned through the interview she was part of this wider effort to publicly claim that donald trump won in a landslide, which is a false lie. no crime in seeing that in public, posting it online, saying it in interviews, talking around and saying that. that s not in dispute. she s now charged in the georgia indictment for the violation of the rico act and for soliciting the violation of the oath of a public officer along with these other lawyers, meaning the public lies were advancing, laundering, you might say normalizing for maga people the idea this was inbounds and obviously was false. the secret part she s charged
saving $130 on utilities. cascade. dare to dish differently. donald trump was just indicted in a rico case. this is a wild turn of events. it is one that had it been the first charges would have felt everyone large, but it s the fourth. we have our first special report on rico. a law to target specific problems with the mafia. here is one way to understand it as explained in the classic film the dark knight. i m good with calculation. i handle all the investments. one big part. got it. one minute. rico.