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weeks away from seeing the worst of this pandemic. the conversation now a heated one. who should reopen first and how? >> well, here's one approach. at least ten east and west coast states have decided to band together to study when and how to properly reopen, though n. though not all states are taking that approach, it's a stark contrast to what the president said during a coronavirus task force briefing, he said the governors have to get behind whatever the president says. >> when somebody is the president of the united states, the authority is total. and that's the way it's got to be. >> reporter: your authority is total. >> total. it's total. and the governors know that. >> it's not total. many constitutional scholars have rightly pointed out that that statement ignores the 10th amendment which outlines powers deserved to the states. >> it also ignores a traditional position of many republican lawmakers. joining us now to look at how governors may go it alone, cnn correspondent don simon. he's in san francisco, and cnn correspondent athena jones in new york where 10,000 people have died. athena, on the good side, the worst expectations or fears did not materialize last week in terms of getting to that point where there were more patients than icu beds, or more patients than ventilators. how did that happen? >> reporter: hi, jim. that's exactly right. according to governor cuomo that didn't happen because of the way people are acting, people following social distancing guidelines, doing that has helped bring down the number. but as you mentioned, 10,000, a very large number of people to die when this has only been going on for a few weeks. the state of new york has reached nearly 200,000 cases, but as governor cuomo has said, the curve is flattening at a bit of a high level. total hospitalizations remain high, but they're going in the right direction. a key way of looking at this is the fact that the center behind me, the javits center, the temporary hospital, has 2500 beds. about 300 of them are now occupied by covid patients, so that gives you a sense that they were able to avoid the worst. governor cuomo says the worst is over if we continue to be smart. what does he mean by being smart? he said as we look at reopening the economy, it has to be done in a phased, gradual process. this is why he's joining with six other governors from massachusetts down to delaware to work together on plans to reopen their economies when the time is right. this is not something that's going to be immediate. we heard this morning from connecticut's governor, ned lamont, that he's not ready to even start talking about lifting restrictions until may 20th. so here is governor cuomo talking about the importance of working together, and also replying to president trump, insisting he has total authority over the states. watch. >> it's going to be a phased process. we have to bring in testing so that we're testing as we're doing this reopening, so that we can gauge whether or not we're increasing the virus spread. if he ordered me to reopen in a way that would endanger the public health of the people of my state, i wouldn't do it. >> reporter: so there you have it, governor cuomo saying quite simply he's not going to be taking his cues from the president, he hasn't done that so far, and you heard him mention testing, antibody testing in particular, getting that up on a large scale across this region so we can find out who has been exposed to the virus, who has come through it and maybe has an immunity and they can be part of that first wave of folks who go back to work when that begins. jim and poppy? >> okay. dan simon, to you. >> hi, poppy. one of the things we have seen throughout this crisis is a very remarkably cordial tone between president trump and governor newsom with newsom often commending the administration for how it has dealt with the state of california. the question going forward is how is that going to continue now that the president has said he has the sole authority in terms of when the economy will reopen? what we are seeing, first what we saw with athena, with the governors on the east coast, we're seeing on the west coast, with a couple states, california, oregon and washington, forming this pact, laying out a framework for what it will take for the economy to reopen. they haven't put forth any formal guidelines, but they have a philosophy, and one of the key tenets in terms of what that will look like is what testing will look like in a post-shutdown economy. here's part of what governor newsom had to say. let's take a look. >> we'll be driven by facts, we'll be driven by evidence, we'll be driven by science, we'll be driven by our public health advisers and we'll be driven by the collaborative spirit that defines the best of us at this inchristine blasey ford -- incredibly important moment. >> another big issue, of course, is making sure health care workers have all the protective gear they need. they want to make sure all the masks are in place, all the ventilators. in terms of having everything together, you want to have all your ducks in a row before you reopen the economy. we're expecting to hear more from governor newsom later this afternoon when he is expected to unveil his formal plan. poppy, jim? >> that's an important one. they've been ahead of the curve on a lot of this. don, thank you for your reporting. dr. sanjay gupta, chief medical correspondent, is with us. good morning, sanjay. >> good morning. >> can we start with this new modelling out of the university of georgia who has been at the forefront of this? the white house takes in a lot of what they say, and it shows essentially that after the end of june and july, we could see no more deaths in the united states from covid-19. is that right? >> it does. it shows that possibility, or at least very few deaths to the point where it starts to really decrease background activity of the virus. but it also, you know, takes into account that social distancing measures will have to last for some time. it's not an exact target, but -- and they're constantly updating these models on a day-by-day basis, but you're right, it does show you can get to a very low level of transmission. >> sanjay, let me understand. even if you social distance until the end of may, when you begin to relax and more people are out there, they're going to interact and presumably more people are going to be infected. just so viewers at home, and even myself, understand this, it doesn't disappear, it's just that you're slowing the rate to a manageable degree, is that right, so hospitals, doctors, et cetera can handle it? >> that's right. i mean, jim, the constant in this is the virus. i mean, the virus, we know, is very contagious, we know that obviously it can make people very sick in some situations and even lead to death. that hasn't changed. you know, it's interesting, i was having conversations with people over the weekend who say, look, the risk is really, really low at this point. that's true. and that's because we're doing something in this country that is unprecedented and it's having an impact. when we start to loosen restrictions, and i would say that no matter when that is, given that the virus is still there, given there is not a vaccine, there are going to be people who get infected. there are going to be people who get sick, still, as a result of that reopening. i think the question is what is the acceptable level at that point? talking to chris murray who sort of authored these models you're talking about from university of washington, they've come up with this number, .03%. bafrkly, if you do the math, more than 90 people in the entire country a day would be getting infected and getting sick from this virus. 90 people is not very many, but it's not zero, either, to your point. i'm not sure. i think when you say it's going to go to potential zero, it's hard to imagine that because the virus is still circulating, people are still going to get sick. i think it will be that balance of what you're willing to accept. >> sanjay, there is an incredible story, i know you've seen it in the "new york times," about a 45-year-old doctor who contracted the coronavirus. they tried hydroxychloroquine on him and it didn't work. then they hooked him up to something i had never heard of called an ecchm orymol machine. here's the image of this machine. why do you think it worked, and is it available at hospitals across the country? >> this is a fascinating machine. it's been around for a while. it was popularized at the university of michigan training. it's extra p erp orial brain operation. think of this as a pulmonary machine. the lungs, sometimes without the benefit of a ventilator, if the lungs are too stiff and they're unable to receive the oxygen, if they're unable to give up the carbon dioxide which the body needs to dispel carbon dioxide, it doesn't matter if the person is on a breathing machine because the lungs simply can't do it. at that point you say, i'm going to take over the lungs' function here. oxygenate it, remove carbon dioxide from it, and then put the blood back into the body. it's a remarkable technology. typically it was used for babies who were born prematurely. but over time it was used increasingly for adults. they're more widely available. they're not totally available, but i can tell you in countries around the world, there is even like portable ecmal machines now. it's very useful and can be used in a situation like this. >> doctor, very quickly before you go, can you relax social distancing without widespread testing? >> no. let's not equivocate on this. you still have to isolate them, test them, all the things we've talked about for three months. those desires and needs have not gone away. >> simple answer. dr. sanjay gupta, thank you so much as always. be sure to watch dr. sanjay gupta and anderson cooper on "coronavirus facts and fears," thursday at 8:00 p.m. donald trump called the drug hydroxychloroquine a game changer for the coronavirus. how soon it might be used. trump falsely claims he has authority over the states. they beg to differ. help is on the way. to support you during the current health situation... cvs pharmacy is now offering free one to two-day delivery of prescriptions and everyday essentials you need to stay well in the days ahead. visit cvs.com/delivery or call your local cvs pharmacy to learn more. so you can be prepared, stay on track with your medication, and stay well, with free prescription delivery from cvs. as homes become schools at&t has created a $10 million dollar fund to support distance learning tools, curriculum and resources to help educators and families keep school in session does anybody know what this book is? 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>> dr. fauci and every medical authority has emphasized this. you have to study this drug. can you imagine, jim, if we were to give this drug to large numbers of people and it turned out to hurt their heart? that would be terrible. that's why it's being studied. the president is emphasizing the wrong thing. the supply is not the issue here for covid patients, the issue is should they be taking it at all? we have seen in some studies that it's hurting people's heart. in fact, the "washington post" reporting today that the cia is warning its own employees, do not take this drug on your own. it could hurt your heart. >> this is a concern here, because with any drug, for some people it might work, for other people it might have worse side effects than the benefits. i mean, it seems like the point here, is it not, elizabeth, you got to study it first before you're broadly using this to treat patients who are infected. >> absolutely. i mean, that's why we have the system that we have in this country. we don't just let people take powerful drugs willy-nilly. we test is in rigorous drug trials, but we won't have those results in weeks or months from now. this drug might help to prevent coronavirus in people, it might help fight it. we don't know yet until we study it. >> dr. gold is with us, chancellor of the university of nebraska medical center, and just for some context, doctor, you guys are the ones that really treated the first round of coronavirus patients that came a month ago off the diamond princess. you've seen how this has developed since the early days. the federal government uses university of nebraska's medicine treatment to treat patients as well. can we talk about the antibody medication? it's gotten so much attention, but you have a few words of caution. in terms of what tom frieden said yesterday, there's a lot of fakes out there yesterday, there is only one fda-approved one, so what should people know about what to use? >> that's exactly right. there is currently one fda-approved so-called serologic test for antibodies, which measures your immunity to the coronavirus. it's not a diagnostic test to say whether you currently have the disease, it's a test to know whether your body has developed antibodies to prevent you from getting the disease again for some period of time. there are approximately 30 good diagnostic tests that are out across the country right now, pcr tests as they're called, that measure the presence of virus particles. but this first serologic test is now available. we're actually validating it in our laboratories right now and hope to roll it out to a large scale in the near future. there are probably another at least dozen that are under development in the united states as well. >> so much attention has been on the drug hydroxychloroquine. you just heard elizabeth cohen, our senior correspondent, talking about it. the state of south dakota now doing the first statewide test of it. the metal system in texas is testing it as a prophylaxis for some. i think that's gotten the attention, but another one has not. that one is deede -- remdesivir. can you tell us about that? >> we're putting a lot of muscle behind remdesivir. i believe and i hope from what i'm hearing from the investigators we should have an answer in may or maybe before that. in southern california, one of the hospital systems there used compassionate distribution for very critical individuals of remdesivir. and the preliminary findings, at least in this small anecdotal study, indicated that it did have a positive effect. hopefully that will be confirmed in a larger national trial which will be out in a few weeks. >> okay, so there's that. keep us posted. come back in early may when you have those results. talking about the statewide testing that's now going on in south dakota of hydroxychloroquine, i guess what are you looking for out of that, and are you guys using hydroxychloroquine, and if so, to what extent? >> i really don't know what our community is doing. our medical center is currently not using it, i don't believe. there is a number of studies, good quality studies that are being done with hydroxychloroquine, hydroxychloroquine combined with azithromyc azithromycin. we know it's a risk to cardiac disease. what we don't know is if it prevents, treats or slows the transmission of covid-19. >> final question, a simple one, but if we don't have broadly available rapid testing, which we don't have right now in the country, and what the cdc director, dr. robert redfield deemed very aggressive contact tracing, how can anyone go back to life as normal without those things? >> well, i think, poppy, we're going to have to define the new normal. this is not going to unwind with the flick of a switch over a single day. as we start to learn more about how many people are actually infected from testing and from contact tracing, we're going to start to slowly reopen and loosen some of these physical separation determinants that we've put into place. there will be a new normal for a period of time. people will carry their masks with them, they'll wash their hands more often, they're going to stay a little further away from people. they may even stay home and work from home more often. i think it's going to take some time to unwind this even if there is a magical availability of large-scale testing. >> you make an important point. i think we'll also have to rethink the economy, then, and what it means for all those service workers out there that were depending on what was normal back then for their livelihood and their families. doctor, i appreciate your work. thank you for being with us, dr. gold. this just in to cnn, we're learning today that former president barack obama will officially endorse democratic candidate joe biden. details on that next. ...it starts working hard at hour one... and works twice as hard when you take it again the next day. zyrtec muddle no more. make it tough to take care of yourself, that's why you can rely on nature's bounty... to give you the support you need... to stay motivated keep active and sleep well. add a little more health to your day... with nature's bounty. 450-degree oven, to box, to you, know that from our add a little more health to your day... it's our policy that your pizza is never touched once it comes out of the oven. and we're taking extra steps, like no contact delivery, to ensure it. now more than ever, we need the good stuff in life. family, ♪ ♪ comfort, ♪ ♪ belly laughs, ♪ ♪ joy, ♪ ♪ togetherness, and of course, love. milk. love what's real. ♪ ♪ michael vasquez! come over here. i've heard such good things about you, your company. well, i wouldn't have done any of it without you. without this place. this is for you. michael, you didn't have to... and, we're going to need some help with the rest. you've worked so hard to achieve so much. perhaps it's time to partner with someone who knows you and your business well enough to understand what your wealth is really for. he had been keeping his powder dry, but the former president barack obama has o'feshlo officially endorsed the man who served him in the white house, joseph biden. this will come in a video message. >> bernie sanders suspended his campaign last week and formally endorsed joe biden. gloria borger is with us. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> what are we going to hear from the former president and in what format? >> it will be a video, and it will be a fully throated endorsement of joe biden. the endorsement, of course, is not a surprise, but it's something that's been months in the making. the former president didn't want to get too far out front in all of this, was involved in backstage communications between bernie sanders and joe biden, according to cnn reporting, and i think he did it -- his timing is his own. and i think he felt that he would be much more valuable as a peacemaker of sorts between bernie sanders and joe biden and then come out on his own once the runway was completely clear for his former vice president. >> you know, the strategy before all this for the president had been tout strong economy. of course, coronavirus has changed that dramatically, but also go after a socialist democratic candidate if it was sort of a sanders or a warren, and a divided democratic party. but you really had none of those. remarkable, is it not, to see the democratic party kind of get its ducks in a row so quickly here? >> yes. and i think this happened earlier than barack obama thought it was going to happen. i mean, remember south carolina, it's hard to remember south carolina on february 29th, and then you had super tuesday on march 3rd, and then the path really seemed clear for joe biden. it took bernie sanders a while, and bernie sanders at first spoke when he got out of the race. remember, he didn't give any kind of full-throated endorsement to biden because he felt he had to talk to his supporters first, he didn't want to let them down, and had to really talk to them about what he was doing. then he came out and gave his endorsement to joe biden, and now you see barack obama doing this. so you see that it's really been choreographed in a way that they planned, and i think that now you're probably going to hear from obama about how important this election is. and one way they can use him, quite frankly, is to fund-raise for them. because they're going to have to compete on that level with a very well-funded trump campaign. >> that's been biden's achilles heel for years. he doesn't love to fund-raise. i wonder how it is, gloria, in this moment when the president is getting so much more air time, obviously n the midd, in of this crisis, and joe biden can't be on the campaign trail. >> it's very important for obama. don't forget, obama is enemy number one, or maybe compared to hillary clinton, i would say, maybe enemy number two to donald trump. so having obama speak publicly will also give donald trump another convenient target, because he says the president -- he wasn't prepared for coronavirus because they left him nothing, meaning the obama administration, so it wasn't his fault. and maybe, just maybe, we will hear the former president finally answer that. we've heard people who work for him answer that, but if he begins to go out there on camera and answer things like that, we may hear his explanation of what happened. but right now, for barack obama, it's all about getting joe biden elected president. >> gloria borger, always good to have you. we'll see you soon. >> good to see you guys. stay safe. >> thanks, gloria. other news you might have missed this weekend, and really a notable victory for democrats in the wisconsin supreme court. this is just one week after republicans, you may remember, insisted on holding in-person voting despite attempts from the states to push it off or allow voting from home. a liberal judge, jill korofsky, won her conservative opponent on monday. why are we talking about this? 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los angeles is not thinking about keeping people inside their homes forever. what does it tell you about when and how quickly you dial some of this back? >> yeah, thank you and good morning, jim. i appreciate being with you here today. i think you're asking the essential question. all of us want everyone to be able to get back to work as quickly as we can, but we all want to do that safely. we do know that the physical distancing requirements are working. we do a fairly aggressive job at isolating and quarantining people whov have been exposed ad can expose others. but i think in order for us to safely reopen, a, we have to understand it's going to take us some time because we cannot reopen, go back to where we were and then see the huge spike that, of course, will overwhelm anybody's health care system. but i think there are four pieces that have to be in place for us to reopen safely. the first is we have to be able to care for everybody who is sick. the second is we have to make sure that people who are most vulnerable have extra protections, people living in congregant and nursing homes, people in communities where they have less resources, more poverty and higher barriers to access in care. we'll have to also make sure we're able to test and test and test, which has been a challenge, and then isolate people who are infected and quarantine close contacts. and last, the physical distancing needs are still going to be paramount, we just have to think about how we do them differently. for example, if retail businesses are going to reopen, what protections would you put in place so that you minimize exposures for employees and the public? i think this is all doable. i think we're all on a road to recovery. i think we know we're going to get to the other side, but we have to do it in a very thoughtful and deliberate way so that we don't actually end up inadvertently having the spike. >> in a best-case scenario, if you meet those standards, could residents of los angeles county see some relaxing of these restrictions as soon as next month? or you're not there yet? >> i certainly hope so. we're very data driven, as is everybody in public health, so we're going to be tracking the number of new cases, we're going to be tracking hospitalizations, icu utilization, how many people are getting ventilated, and then we're going to make a strategic decision. but yes, i'm very hopeful that sometime in mid-may we start reopening. we need to reopen. we just have to do it safely. >> you mentioned testing. governor cuomo of new york mentioned testing, too. that is a requirement to begin real relaxation of social distancing and broad-based testing. the trouble is on the way in, this company did a lousy job of testing, they just weren't available widely enough. have we seen that change? will los angeles county next month have the beginning of broadbased testing to allow for some lifting some of these restrictions? >> there is a team here who has worked really day and night to try to expand testing capacity. we also found out some of our communities didn't have good access, primarily communities where people had more limited income, and we've got to fix that. you have to do a lot of different things, i think, to improve testing. one is you have to have the supply chain in place, and you have to have lab capacity that's actually able to process all of the labs because you can't have wait times of six to eight days for people to get results. we need to be able to test, test quickly, get results quickly, and then those people who are positive have to know that they have to isolate and we have to quarantine close contacts. that's why you have to do all this testing. we went from 160 tests a day to 600 tests a day. we hope to be at 1,000 tests next week. if we can meet those thresholdt, we hope to be able to offer more tests and we should have a strategy of reopening. >> we wish you and the residents of los angeles county all the best going forward. thank you, barbara. >> thank you, jim, and thanks for the great reporting. i really appreciate all your support. >> we at cnn appreciate that. and we'll be right back. these days, it's anything but business as usual. that's why working together is more important than ever. at&t is committed to keeping you connected. so you can keep your patients cared for. your customers served. your students inspired. and your employees closer than ever. our network is resilient. our people are strong. our job is to keep your business connected . it's what we've always done. it's what we'll always do. now let's take a look around the world at the global response to the coronavirus pandemic. >> in a way only cnn can, let's begin with ben wedeman in rome. ben, italy one of the hardest hit countries of this, but some baby steps now, if we can call them that, towards reopening there? >> reporter: yes, very tiny baby steps it is, jim. what we're seeing is that the italian government is allowing book shops, stationery stores and stores that sell children's and babies' clothing to reopen. so it's only a few stores, and we went to one of those stores selling babies' clothing, and the woman who runs it said no one had actually gone to the shop at 4:00 in the afternoon local time. those areas that are hardest hit by the coronavirus in the north simply are ignoring this decree altogether. the lockdown continues in those parts of italy unchanged. p>> that's telling that no one went in the store even though it was open that day. thank you so much, ben. matthew chance joins us now. matthew, president putin backpedaling after saying yesterday the virus was under control in his country? >> reporter: two weeks ago, putin said, it's not going to happen here, it's not going to happen what's happening elsewhere. what a difference a few weeks makes, because in that time, russia has had the highest announced coronavirus cases, 21,000 there in total. it doesn't sound like much compared to what you're experiencing in the u.s., but russians admit this is just the foot of the curve. they're nowhere near the peak of the race of infections they're expecting in the week ahead. it's going to get a lot worse. so it raises that point. they've also introduced a much tougher control over their lockdown, introducing technological efforts to make sure they know where people are at all times. >> underplaying the virus by officials. clarissa, it appears the death toll there may be much higher than previously suggested? what do we know? >> reporter: jim, i have to say this is just mind-blowing. essentially the office for national statistics has come out and said that the daily death toll that the government has been giving in its briefings is 52% lower than the actual death toll. they gave the example up to april 3rd. official death toll from the government, 4,093. actual death toll, 6,000. that's because it only includes the death toll given to the government. it doesn't count nursing homes and group homes as well. >> thank you, clarissa. we'll be right back. for nearly 100 years, we've worked to provide you with the financial strength, stability, and online tools you need. and now it's no different. because helping you through this crisis is what we're made for. you can't always stop for a fingerstick.betes with the freestyle libre 14 day system, a continuous glucose monitor, you don't have to. with a painless, one-second scan you can check your glucose with a smart phone or reader so you can stay in the moment. no matter where you are or what you're doing. ask your doctor for a prescription for the freestyle libre 14 day system. you can do it without fingersticks. learn more at freestylelibre.us. one group in this country disproportionately affected by the coronavirus pandemic, latinos, including in new york city. >> absolutely. the numbers are startling. our nick valencia has more. >> reporter: anthony acevedo says he honestly can't remember when he last got sick. two weeks ago he tweeted he felt an itch in his throat. more severe symptoms followed. >> i got the results that i was positive with the covid-19. body aches, i had a whole lot of body aches. recently i've developed a lot of night sweats. >> reporter: his condition hasn't improved. acevedo thought he was turning the corner, only to be diagnosed with pneumonia. the 35-year-old works in hospice care, making home visits to terminally ill patients. he knew he was at more risk of contracting the virus and said he had been taking precautions. but in his line of work, that doesn't always guarantee your safety. >> latinos are mainly the cnas and the janitors. when you go into these facilities, you see us as the janitors cleaning everybody's room, and you see us changing all the diapers, giving them showers, feeding them face to face. >> reporter: dr. o'neal who served the latino community in washington said latinos are often found in hospitals but lower type jobs. she said they may not have the option to stay home if they get sick. >> this leads to not only worsening of the illness in these people but prolonged effects that this coronavirus will have. >> reporter: the virus is more pronounced among latinos than the wider american public. it's dangerous to two-thirds of latinos and half of the general public. in the epicenter of the outbreak, new york city, the mayor says latinos are dying at rates higher than any other group, making up 34% of deaths. other locations have been slow to release a breakdown of deaths by race or ethnicity, so no national trends are clear yet. meantime, dr. o'neal and other medical professionals say underlying health conditions and economic disparities which disproportionately affect people of color play a role. >> often we'll have grandparents along with newborns and create a situation where it's very hard to have a spread of disease. >> reporter: they address how people of color are getting hit hard with the virus and he urged lati latinos and blacks to protect themselves. he said he used the words he normally would have. they've had to change their routines, like this coffee house in south florida. he sees the risk for himself and others, and that means not pushing to go back to work before he's ready. >> to me that puts other people in danger, so just to know that i have it so i can stay home and try to take care of this properly without infecting other people. >> nick valencia, cnn, atlanta. thanks to nick and thanks to all of you. we'll see you back here tomorrow. i'm poppy harlow. >> and i'm jim sciutto. "newsroom" with john king continues right now. this is cnn's continuing coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. i'm john king in washington. we also welcome our international viewers watching around the world. this hour we expect to hear from president trump. he is in the oval office, in the cabinet room, we're told, as he welcomes patients who have recovered from the coronavirus. we're also waiting to hear from the former president barack

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and derek chauvin now facing the more serious count of second degree murder. the three others charged with aiding and abetting second degree murder. minnesota's governor saying, quote, this is a step today that the public wants to see. and in the face of all those protests, the former defense secretary james mattis launching a blistering rebuke of president trump, accusing him of trying to divide the country instead of trying to unite the american people and saying quote, we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. i want to get right to alex marquardt who's on the ground in washington, d.c. tonight. alex, what are you seeing? >> reporter: don, look at this crowd right here. i'll ask jamie mcmichael to pan over. you've got this whole crowd of people on their knees all taking a knee in front of this long row of national guard troops. and this really speaks to the mood of what we've seen today. it has been an entirely peaceful protest. the crowds are thinning out. it's late, but they have taken a knee. we saw singing. we saw live music, something of a concert-like atmosphere. but it is a faceoff at the end of the day. don, this is a protest and they're protesting against the law enforcement here. those in camouflage are national guard, some of the 2,000 to 3,000 national guard forces who are in d.c. to support the law enforcement separation. what we've seen, don, remarkable for most of the day is bureau of prisons officers. think about that. you've got essentially prison guards who are guarding the white house. a number of them that we've seen today had t-shirts with a texas flag on them. they came from texas. several of them had shirts that said beaumont. that's a prison near houston. what is worrying, don, is as you know, as these protests go into the later hours, they do sometimes have a tendency to get testier, to get more unruly, sometimes violent. what's different about today is there's no barricade. there's no barrier between the protesters and law enforcement, so of course there's the potential for a flash point. so far, don, everything has been quiet. the other notable thing today, don, is that the protest is much farther away from the white house than it has been over the course of the past few days. we have seen protesters right in that park, lafayette park in front of the white house until today. little by little day after day they have been pushing the protesters out of the park. then around the park. now the protesters found they couldn't go farther than this right here. don, it's 11:00. that means there's a curfew now in d.c. that curfew was made later. the last two nights it's been 7:00 p.m. but the mayor's office says that is a reflection of the fact that these protests have been peaceful. we do not expect the city, the metropolitan police department or any other law enforcement really to enforce that curfew as long as these protests stay peaceful. so, essentially they are hoping that these protests will peter out on their own. there is very much a conflict now between the city of washington, d.c. which of course is not a state and the federal government who has this huge patchwork of different federal agencies of law enforcement who have come here to control these crowds. and you have the mayor of d.c. saying, indicating, that the federal government is taking too many liberties and that they are overstepping their bounds. but so far, don and dan, you can hear the energy. you can hear the passion. you can see that tension right there at the front between the protesters and law enforcement. but it is peaceful, don. >> alex marquardt in washington, d.c. we'll check back. alex, thank you very much. now to the mission district in san francisco and dan simon. dan, what's the scene like where you are? >> reporter: hey, don. it's been quite a day on the streets of san francisco. we've covered many rallies over the years involving same sex marriage, immigration rights. what we saw on the streets today in san francisco is among one of the largest crowds i've ever seen. right now it's just after 8:00. there is a curfew, police trying to get people to disperse the streets but they seem to be in no rush to get people off the streets here in the mission district. it has been an entirely peaceful protest. and over the past 24, 48 hours in the bay area we haven't seen a whole lot of looting, a whole lot of violence. this mission district where we are now, there are a lot of shops. most of the buildings have been boarded up. it's also an area where we see a lot of gentrification over the years. so, that has added to the concern there could be potential for violence and looting. but it has been an entirely peaceful protest today. just a few moments ago when we were in front of the police department where these folks gathered, we did see several officers take a knee, don. >> all right. thank you very much, don. simon in the mission district of san francisco. i want to get to cnn's national correspondent sara sidner. sara, good evening to you. look at that memorial. it has grown. it's a dramatic day. all four officers on the scene were charged today in george floyd's death. what's the reaction from minneapolis? >> reporter: here it was a sense of at first almost a celebration. but they were reminded by george floyd's son and by the floyd family attorney, benjamin crump that you can't celebrate something like this because this doesn't mean justice. it just means charges. and a lot of people know that over the years a lot of times when these charges are brought up that the officers actually end up not being convicted. and that's the way the justice system goes and juries decide. but in the mind of the family, they want to see, of course, a conviction. and so they told everyone to hold steady, be peaceful, but not to completely throw up their hands and say okay we've done something here. certainly we've seen now charges for all four of the officers including a more severe charge for derek chauvin, the fired officer who you see there with his knee on the neck of george floyd for more than 7 minutes. but you are also getting charges, he's being charged with second degree murder and manslaughter as opposed to third degree murder and manslaughter. now the officers on the scene, a couple of them who were kneeling down on george floyd's back or near george floyd who didn't stop anything and who the police chief called complicit as we talked to the chief, don, they are now being charged as aiding and abetting second degree murder and aiding and abetting manslaughter. these are very strong charges, not as strong as some people would have liked to have seen, but strong nonetheless, especially for police officers in this country, don. >> sara, we've been watching protests all over the country. we have pictures up of washington, d.c. we've been looking at them in new york city. there were protests in minneapolis, the epicenter where it started. what have the protests been like where you are today? >> today and the past two days they have been nothing more than peaceful, quite beautiful. there has been incredible caring sentiment here. there was a piano that was rolled in. different people including children were playing songs on the piano. there was free food for anyone who needed it or wanted it. there were grab bags with diapers and similmilac and cann food and vegetables. this was a place of healing for the last couple of days. and you will notice this neighborhood, while there are boards that are up, it certainly wasn't torn up. there's a reason for that. this is considered a sacred place and time and again people have come out here and treated it as a sacred place because it is the place where george floyd was killed and people want to recognize that, don. i do want to mention that we did talk to the attorney bridge minute cru benjamin crump and george floyd's son and i would like you to hear what he said when he heard the charges including the higher charge for officer derek chauvin. >> thank you, sara sidner in minneapolis. we'll get back with you as well. we'll continue to check in with the cities across america where there are protesters on the street. meantime, president trump defense secretary delivering a blistering rebuke and the president react k tonight next. at t-mobile, we know that connection is more important than ever. for customers 55 and up, we want you to get the value and service you need to stay connected. that's why we have a plan built just for you. saving 50% vs. other carriers with 2 unlimited lines for only $55. and we're here to help when you're ready to switch. visit a store or go to t-mobile.com/55. did you know diarrhea is often causedtry pepto diarrhea. food? 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>> you know what? they all said exactly what you just said, don, at the beginning of this segment. when i heard that, i went wow. jim mattis, as john just said, is very well-respected. and remember the old commercial, when e.f. hutton speaks, everyone listens. when jim mattis speaks, everyone listens. and also he knows first hand what goes on behind the scenes. so, when he says these things, it's like the story of the child who says the emperor has no clothes. he is calling him out. as john said, this was devastating. this was scathing. and i think that other people will speak out because he has either given them a cover to speak out or permission to speak out or he's inspired them to speak out. one of my republican sources said that they think this is going to be a tsunami, a wave of criticism that's going to come out. >> we see retired u.s. marine corps 4 star general john allen has penned a piece of his own where he criticizes the white house and what they did. and he writes this. he says donald trump isn't religious, has no need of religion, and doesn't care about the devout except in so far as they serve his political needs. mattis needs -- he seems to have inspired others. >> absolutely. and i think -- so, now there's some questions. there have been some people we've been waiting to see whether they would speak out. former chief of staff, also retired general john kelly. will he speak out? h.r. mcmaster, former national security adviser. these men all have something in common. they're military. they respect the chain of command. and i think that a lot of people were wondering if there would be a point where that would break. and i think jim mattis has done that. >> john, you know, obviously the president is now tweeting, calling mattis overrated, saying that he is glad he is gone and talking a lot about the general's nickname. but he spent a lot of time raving about his former defense secretary, didn't he? >> he did. and of course that undercuts his criticism. but there's a larger point that undercuts his criticism. as jamie just said, jim mattis is somebody who is reticent to speak out on events in politics. when he does, his words mean something. his words are carefully chosen. they have weight. donald trump's words have no weight. words to him, attacks on other people are like little rocks he picks up on the playground and throws at someone. he was asked about this in a fox news radio interview. brian kilmeade said why do you spend your time attacking chris cuomo. trump said i just do it. they hit me, i hit them back. his statements are written in stand. the next wave washes them over and they're gone. jim mattis' words are different than that. >> why does he care about cable news hosts including myself? he's the president of the united states. >> i think he's gone after you too. >> why would he even know my name? if i was the president of the united states do you think i would even know -- that guy on the cable news? what? you understand what i'm saying, jamie? >> but he watches you. and i've been on the set with you where when we could be on the set together, when you would say something and he would pretend not to be watching but he's really actually obsessed with what you would say. and then you would speak about him and we would go 3, 2, 1, and he would tweet about it. and i just wanted to go back to what john's point was about picking a fight and names. the whole bunker going -- being taken to the bunker, what happened to him this weekend was that on twitter, his favorite tool, there was a hash tag, and it was #bunkerboy -- >> yeah. >> -- and he did not like that. he does not like -- >> he said he went to observe and to check it out. he wasn't -- yeah. >> i don't think so. >> and inspect it. he was inspector. >> that's not reality talking. >> thank you both. good to see both of you say. stay safe. i want to bring in the former director of national intelligence, general james clapper. director, i've been wanting to talk to you about this all day. you know general mattis. are you surprised by this blistering attack of the president? >> oh, actually i'm not, don. i thought it all along would be a question of time before jim would reach a tipping point or inflection point where he would be compelled to speak out as he has. and i think the fact that he did stay largely silent except for a comedy bit at the al smith dinner in new york sometime ago, the fact he remained silent having served in the administration and then spoken as eloquently and compellingly as he did is a huge message. i think it's a 1-2 punch here on the heels of the article yesterday, i guess, by former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff admiral mike mullin, also in "atlantic," also a scathing indictment of the president. i thought those two together was a 1-2 punch that is a huge message for the country that i hope people think about. >> here's the -- so, today in -- you know, when this first came on, i was on with wolf blitzer in the situation room. and he asked me my response to this. not that i down played it, but it was my thought the general should have spoken out when he was in power. and since i've spoken to people who said -- i could be wrong, who knows. this is my thought. but if i hear from people whom i respect, then i could say that i'm wrong or maybe i got that one wrong or i was a bit misguided on some of this. they said you have to understand the military and who general mattis is, and you should not in any way -- and i did not mean to because i was glad. i respected him and i'm glad he spoke out. but why he is speaking out at this moment and why this is such a huge moment that someone like james mattis would criticize a sitting president after he served under him? >> well, i think as i said, we reached an inflection point or a tipping point, whatever you want to call it. and i think that the prospect -- the events of the last night or night before in the white house and the threat of using active duty military to police up our own citizens and the incredibly tone deaf rhetoric used by the secretary of defense about dominating the battle space when we're talking about u.s. citizens is just -- i think that just -- as it did for a lot of people, i think -- >> bridge too far. >> -- was the tipping point. >> yeah. >> and he had to speak up. and i expect there will be others that will speak out as well. i mean, it's a controversial thing. believe me, i know. i spent 34 years in the military. but military people who serve long and faithfully for the country, to speak up against the commander in chief, that's a n controversial and a very personal thing. and i think different people reach decision points at different times. >> understood. thank you director. i appreciate your time. you be safe. >> thanks, don. same to you. president obama addressing the country on camera for the first time since the protests broke out. his message is next. hi. uh, can you tell me how to get to i-70, please? 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>> well, i think it was really important what he's talked about was how much this moment creates opportunity to shift the paradigm, shift what is possible. and the president didn't just speak about sort of where he thought we were as a country and talk about some of the things he worked to achieve and some of the things we didn't quite achieve during his time in office. but he presented, i think for a lot of us, he sat there and he also listened to us. me and the other activists and local elected officials talking about some of the work on the ground, the work to change the way that district attorneys do their jobs, the work to change the way we fund policing in this country and the ways that we invest in other ways to have safety and justice. and so, you know, i think it's really important that the president speaks because his platform can really send a real message that the country has moved. and also at the end of the day it's kind of nice to be able to sit in the room with a leader that has read the information about criminal justice, that has an informed opinion, that isn't knee jerk. you really miss the sort of measured, thoughtful conversation, even if we didn't always agree, you always knew president obama knew what he was talking about. >> mitch landrieu, i want to bring you in here, mayor. president obama -- former mayor. president obama directly addressing young people today, african-americans, black people, but also talking about the diversity in the crowd, really addressing all the young people. but his message is important for everyone in this country to understand. what do you make of what he said? >> well, first of all, what i loved about president obama is he never really lets anybody off the hook. he says to people i understand your anger, i understand your frustration, but the work is going to be done by you and it has to be done on the street and you have to pay it forward. so, that was the important message. there's a lot to be done here. it's not just about helping people and their personal interactions with each other. it's about changing institutions. it is about who you elected the state legislature, who creates the legislative districts, who is the district attorney who handles the prosecutions, or who the police chief is that reforms the department so you have the kinds of restrictions in place that help police officers protect and serve in terms of use of force, in terms of early intervention. all those things are critically important as we go forward that are not going to be easy and are not going to stop when the protests end. >> you know, the president, the former president, rashad, closing his event with a veiled message for those who have criticized or worried about the ongoing protests. listen to this. >> for those who have been talking about protests, just remember this country was founded on protests. it is called the american revolution. and every step of progress in this country, every expansion of freedom, every expression of our deepest ideals has been won through efforts that made the status quo uncomfortable. >> he said get out there, challenge your leaders. do you believe the protesters have public opinion on their side? >> i think we are building public opinion every single day. i think about not just this potential, the moment we're protesting, but the last seven years of uprising in this country that have changed the context, changed the story. white people with their cell phone inside of a starbucks filming police interactions and then posting it online. companies firing employees for making racist statements and talking about racism in those statements. while a black cnn reporter was fired -- a black cnn reporter was arrested before police officers, you still had the police officers fired pretty quickly. as someone on the ground, who's been building movements, working to fight for policy change and the culture change that makes things different, you know, i think that we have to recognize the ways in which the movement has changed our conversation, has changed the context. looking at these protests and being outside, you have to recognize how much more diverse, how many more different people have come out to stand with us. in just the last several days, the number of big businesses and corporations that were trying to lend their name to this effort and our movement working to ensure that they just don't put #blacklivesmatter but they also make sure black lives matter in their policies and practices. all of this is about changing the rules and norms in society, not just what is acceptable which is the floor but also what is possible which is the ceiling. when we can change that, we can make a whole lot of things possible. and president obama who is not just a leader but a symbol of so many people coming together to achieve his election, something that so many people didn't think was even possible, him really sending a message that we have to continue to fight i think will be really important for people who maybe have joined the struggle to recognize that this too should be their fight as well. >> our time is short because we have so much news to get to, but thank you both and be safe. we'll see you soon. >> thank you, don. has anything in this country changed since rodney king was violently beaten by lapd officers? 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>> reporter: well, don, it's been fascinating to watch the flow, the ebb and flow of this protest in washington, d.c. over the past few days. we really has to emphasize that this is something that has been very peaceful. and then you remember the incident on monday night when police and other forces swept through, pushing those protesters out violently. and yet they have come back time and time again with that energy, with that passion to protest not just the death of george floyd but of course the death of many african-americans at the hands of the police. it is late here, don. it is past the curfew. and things are getting tense. i just want to give you a sense of what we're seeing here. this is the front line. if you look down this line you can see protesters face to face with these troops. now, these are national guard troops, some of the 2,000 to 3,000 national guard troops that have been deployed on to the streets of washington to back fill in a law enforcement capacity. it is getting tense. it is getting late. and this is quite remarkable because there is nothing that is separating these troops, these law enforcement officers from the protesters which is something that we have seen over the course of the past few days even as these protesters have been pushed farther and farther away from the white house. we were with those protesters down there about a half a block right on the edge of lafayette square for the last few nights. and then today when these protesters came here, they have been pushed out. so, this is what we are watching for. this is a flash point, something that could obviously devolve. one thing we want to make clear, don, at the top of your show at 10:00 we talked about the possibility of active duty troops being deployed in washington. what i want to make clear is there are no active duty troops that have been deployed into the streets. it is just troops like these who are national guards. but active duty troops have been sent to washington from new york and north carolina. they are in washington. they are ready to be deployed, and that has created a bit of friction between the friction and his secretary of defense. the president has said he wants to see military putting down some of these protests while the secretary of defense has said he is not comfortable with the idea of active duty troops being used in the streets. but they have been sent to washington but they have not been deployed. so, don, you can see here, tense. i'm going to ask jay mcmichael to pan to the left. you can see that the crowds have been thinning out. this entire intersection was packed all day long. as we said, it's late. but protesters remain. they are energized. they are frustrated. and they don't seem to be going anywhere despite this curfew. but the reason that the curfew has been pushed back to 11:00 p.m., don, is because for the last few nights the protesters have been peaceful and we hope that it remains that way, don. >> all right, alex marquardt out in washington, d.c. the curfew 11:00 p.m. it is well past that, almost the midnight hour and protesters are still out. alex, we'll check back. we're seeing big crowds of people closely packed together protesting in cities across the country as you see in the pictures with alex marquardt and as you're looking at the pictures now as well of los angeles. but all the way there's the threat of coronavirus. it is still very real, very real. a new report shows tear gas could make a person more susceptible to a respiratory illness like coronavirus. we'll talk about that next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [shouting] [clapping and shouting] [cymbals clanging] [knocking] room for seven. and much, much more. the first-ever glb. get 0% apr financing up to 36 months on most models, and 90-day first-payment deferral on any model. apps except work.rywhere... why is that? 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>> yeah, absolutely. so during all of the trauma of -- of the last ten days, the virus has -- hasn't gone away. there are about 20,000 new cases of covid-19 in the united states, every day, and about 1,100 deaths. there are about 17 states, where the number of cases is still rising. about 21 states, where the number of cases flattened, decreasing in about 15 states. so the virus is very much here. and everything that we've learned, to this point, still pertains. so distance, masks, good hand hygiene. and when you look at the crowds, so there's very little social distancing in the crowds. a lot of the crowds -- in a lot of the crowds, many of the protestors are wearing masks. i'm worried about the very close proximity and the ability to transmit, even through masks, through very close distances. when i look at the police and, particularly the troops, very few of them are wearing masks. and that's a big concern to me. >> yeah. i was noticing that when i was watching alex marquardt in washington, d.c. like, look at these guys, they're out there, these men and women, in national guard uniform, national guardsmen, and they're not wearing, you know, protective masks or anything like that. you know, dr. reiner, we've seen police using teargas on protestors around the country. and "the new york times" is reporting that a number of studies is showing evidence that teargas can make a person more susceptible to a respiratory illness, like coronavirus. it's an added danger for protestors. can you talk to me about that? >> yeah. so there are probably two risks. one is an acute risk. what is teargas or any of these pepper sprays make you do? they make you gasp. they make your eyes tear. they make you want to rub your eyes and we tell people, during the pandemic, try not to touch your eyes. that's a route of virus into your body. so they make you grab your eyes and rub your eyes. they cause you to gasp and to choke and to cough. so if you already have the virus, then you're going to spread it via cough. if somebody else has it and you're coughing or taking deep breaths, you can imagine, you know, there's a lot of virus aerosolized. the later effect is what these respiratory irritants do to the lungs. and there is some suggestion that people who have been exposed to teargas or these other chemical elements are more prone to things like bronchitis going forward. so there is some concern that being exposed to teargas or similar agents could cause higher susceptibility to covid-19. >> thank you, dr. reiner. protests continuing for the ninth night over the death of george floyd. stay with us. we're going to bring you those protests, live. when you say what you're in the mood for, the xfinity voice remote will find exactly that. happy stuff. the group's happy, i'm happy. you can even say a famous movie quote and it will know the right movie. circle of trust, greg. relax, the needles are jumping. you can learn something new any time. education. and if you're not sure what you're looking for, say... surprise me. just ask "what can i say" to find more of what you love with the xinity voice remote. can attack anywhere. get fast relief here with primatene mist. available over the counter for mild ashtma. primatene mist. breathe easy again.

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new york and new jersey responding to backlash on their ebola policies with reports that the white house has urged them to reverse those policies just days after ordering mandatory quarantines. case in point, kaci hickox, the nurse who was held in quarantine after returning from west africa is now on her way home to maine. and she talked exclusively to us here at cnn about what she went through. >> the first thing i would say to governor christie is i wish he would be more careful about his statements relative to my medical question. i am not as he said quote-unquote obviously ill. i ham completely healthy and with no symptoms. if he knew anything about ebola he would know asymptomatic people are not infectious. i understand that people feel like they have a risk and i think we can have a conversation about what further measures might look like. but i think this is an extreme that is really unacceptable and i feel like my basic human rights have been violated. >> as for new jersey governor chris christie he said he was just looking out for the public. meanwhile family of a 5-year-old boy in new york is waiting to find out whether he has ebola. he has been tested. officials are trying to find out whether the child who recently returned with his family from guinea there in west africa came into contact with anyone who has ebola. we cannot forget ebola has claimed 49 pun lives in west africa and federal health officials insist the best way combat the virus is to send more health workers to that region. let me bring in assistant professor at uc berkeley and san francisco. doctor, nice to have you on. >> thank you, brooke. >> i want to speak to you with your m.d. hat on. first i know you're shortly on your way and we are grateful you are headed that way to west africa but you have little kiddies at home and i'm curious how are you wife reacted when you said honey i'm going to west africa? >> well it wasn't a spur of the moment decision by any means. my wife has stuck with me for the past 11 years with trips to haiti and rwanda and she was okay with me going to treat cholera in 2010 in haiti. this is very different because we understand ebola is an extremely deadly disease. but she also understands that this is what i'm trained to do. i am a physician with public health background and training in infectious disease and tropical medicine. i had training at the cdc. i've done everything i can to reduce my risk of contracting ebola myself. and despite the fact that she still is very worried and, in fact, just a couple of days ago was tearing up to me and saying that, you know, it's hard but she's keeping strong for the sake of our daughter. but also she really believes in the mission that i'm trying to carry out. >> sure. is there a teeny worry just from your own self? >> not teeny at all. my family is the most precious thing to me and i have a 2 1/2-year-old at home. i hope in the future she will forget i was gone for two months and that she will forgive me for not being there for two months of her life. but i think she will. >> i think she will especially when she realizes how you can help so many different people. so on that and by the way we should be getting news according to the white house the cdc will be updating protocols for folks such as yourself when you return home to the states from west africa so those guidelines could be changing. once you do come home, given what you know what's happened with this nurse that we now know will be heading home to self-quarantine in maine, how do you want to be treated? how do you think you should stay home for 21 days and not work for fear of potentially infecting anyone if you are asymptomatic? what do you think? >> well, i think i as a health care professional and public health expert i understand the risks and the risks are that there is almost no chance of me infecting anybody unless i had symptoms. but i also understand this requested of an abundance of caution. abundance of caution can be misinterpreted and could lead to very grave consequences. just yesterday my wife told me that a very dear and close family member in ohio of ours who is elderly and has a heart condition that requires her to have blood clotting or blood thinning medications every day, she's considering not going to get her blood checked because of fear of ebola. that fear clearly is unfounded, but that fear is real out there and i think when it hits home to people like myself, i cannot blame our leadership for taking extreme measures in this case. >> so, if you were to have to stay put, doc, for 21 days at home, if somebody, you know, way higher above you and i says you need to, you're telling me you will? >> i would do so for the sake of the masses, the sake of the public and their reassurance. i also want to point out that, you know, i would stay home but i have to feed my family somehow. and so i would urge hospitals and employers and even the government to step in and say hey look, you've gone out, there you've done the work, now you're back, let's treat you with some dignity and, of course, let's provide for your family during those 21 days when you can't work. i'm not allowed to work. so, for example at uc san francisco where i'm a physician, there's a policy that employees who are not going to go to west africa can actually donate vacation days -- >> how about that? >> that money could come to support the salary that i would lose and so far 500 hours have been donated which is a tremendous amount of generosity of my colleagues and friends at ucsf. >> that's awesome. ucsf shout out to them. doctor, thank you so much. we appreciate your time and taking the risk to help so many people who are so in need. best of luck to you. we'll check up with you if we can in the future. today the white house as i mention ad moment ago is responding to the decision to release that nurse kaci hickox from confinement. take a listen. >> we want to make sure that whatever policies are put in place in this country to protect the american public, do not serve as a disincentive to doctors and nurses from this country volunteering to travel to west africa to treat ebola patients. >> as i mentioned the white house also saying today the cdc will announce these new guidelines on ebola response in about half an hour from now. let's go the white house to our cnn senior correspondent there, jim acosta. do we know anything with what they may announce? >> reporter: we'll have to wait and find out and hear. we expect the cdc director tom frieden to have a conference call starting at 3:30 this afternoon. the white house said at that briefing a clip of it you just played there the cdc is expected to announce these guidelines that they want to put out to the states as to what to do with that's health care workers, how to treat these health care workers once they return from west africa. brooke what we'll end up with is a hodgepodge system where different states will have different ebola quarantine policies and we saw a sneak preview of that over the weekend when new york and new jersey stepped out on their own to issue this mandatory quarantine policy that resulted in the confinement of kaci hickox in that tent, in that hospital in new jersey which caused a lot of controversy. she said it violated her reits. and i asked josh earnest during the briefing whether or not the obama administration got a heads up from new york and new jersey that they were even doing this and this is what josh earnest had to say. >> was it a surprise to this administration when new york and new jersey came out with their policies on these quarantines? is that a yes or a no in terms of whether or not the administration was told in advance? >> what i'm telling you i'm not in a position to detail all of the phone calls, but administration officials and a variety of agencies and the white house have been in regular touch with officials in newark, new jersey and elsewhere. >> no clear answer from the white house as to whether or not they got a heads up from new york or new jersey that they were doing this. knowing from talking to governor christie's office the governor never talked to the president over the weekend and the white house wouldn't acknowledge if that occurred. a lot of questions being raised. there's the case of kaci hickox. we asked josh earnest during that briefing if the white house agrees with her confinement in a tent, whether or not it violated her rights, the white house did not offer an opinion on that. josh earnest only said that her service should be respected and putting her in a tent does not do that. >> we'll stand by if, in fact, they will be announcing this hodgepodge policy. jim acosta we'll be looking for that reporting at the white house in a bit. at the same time all of this happening today, the family of this 5-year-old child is anxiously awaiting to see if their little boy will be the next ebola patient here in the united states. we're live for you this afternoon at bellevue hospital where doctors are treating the boy and hoping this is a false alarm, that this is not the fifth case of ebola we've stein u.s. we're learning about they aroic actions of a young teacher in washington state. what she did when she heard those gun shots ring out in that cafeteria that could have saved students in marriesville in washington state this past friday. her story coming up. but it won't last long, so hurry in today. and sea food differently. maestro of project management. baron of the build-out. you need a permit... to be this awesome. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. 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(vo) meee-ow, business pro. meee-ow. go national. go like a pro. . you are watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. at this moment there's a family of 5-year-old boy here in new york city who is waiting to see if he will become the fifth diagnosed case of ebola in the united states. that boy did recently spend a little bit of time in guinea one of the three nations in west africa considered part of the hot zone for this fatal disease. poppy harlow is outside of bellevue hospital where this 5-year-old is getting care. poppy, we know he was tested. do we have any idea when those test results should be back? >> reporter: hi there, brooke. we will know at some point tonight. unclear when. this test can take up to 12 hours and we don't really know exactly when it was administered. let me give the timeline. what you're looking at is video from sunday night that we believe the ambulance bringing this 5-year-old boy and his mother here to bellevue hospital. the reason he was transported here is because he got a very high fever on sunday. saturday night he and his family landed at jfk airport after spending a month in guinea as you mentioned part of the hot zone in west africa. out of an abundance of caution they brought him here because a high temperature is one of the symptoms that can come with ebola. his most recent temperature reading is at 102 degrees. that's very, very high. but it is still unclear to all the doctors and authorities here whether or not this is a case of ebola. they have to wait for those initial test results. i want you to listen to mayor de blasio of new york city who spoke about this boy and what new york city is doing at this point. listen. >> the child was having some difficulties but it's not clear they were the kinds of symptoms that would be related to ebola. so, again, this is the abundance of caution dynamic. very recently the child was showing some signs of an illness not clear what the illness was. we did the cautious thing and brought the child in under the full protocol. >> reporter: also, brooke, what they have done since sunday night, since the child came here to bellevue is officials in new york city have been tracking the movement of both the child and his mother, his family, all those who returned with him from guinea on saturday night. mayor debassde blasio said it'sy easy. as for the doctor who was treated here, he was here for ten days before this ebola test came back positive. they are taking steps in advance to trace whoever else this child may have come in contact with just in case the test comes back positive. let's hope it does not. we'll know sometime tonight and bring that live on cnn. >> hopefully it's a negative. poppy harlow, thank you very much. coming up, politics creeping into the fight against ebola. could the cases in the u.s. actually impact the mid-term elections. we're learning new details of about this heroic teacher who acted when shots rang out at a washington state high school. what she did that could have saved a lot of students. next. ♪ i thought it'd be bigger. ♪ ♪ (dad) there's nothing i can't reach in my subaru. 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[ inaudible ] if she was continuing to be ill she would have to stay. if she had no symptoms for 24 hours. the reason she was put in the hospital in the first place is because she was running a high fever. >> here's what this nurse would say. that she never had a high fever, that a thermometer misread her temperature. so let's talk about this. we turn now to democratic strategist and cnn political commentator. welcome to both of you. less stay with your party and begin with governor christie. his name has been thrown out there for 2016 when it comes to president. so knowing that, looking at it through that political lens and i know so much is about public safety but come on. so much of this is politics? >> i'm not sure i agree. i mean whether it's governor christie or governor cuomo, governors around the country have been watching systematic failures at the local and federal level when it comes to controlling and containing this outbreak. and so they have had to take matters into their own hands. even governor cuomo said they haven't gotten protocols yet from the cdc. i think governor christie while he may not be a doctor as kaci hickox says, he's the governor of 9 million people and has to do what's best for them. a woman office treating ebola patients came through his airport running a fever. it was his decision to quarantine her for 24 hours and then make the call and i think the residents of new jersey probably appreciated that he did that. >> chris, how do you read it? >> well, clearly it's political. you've been seeing the republicans using this multiple times, attacking democrats about the ebola response kind of crazy. of all the things you'll attack people on you would think this wouldn't be one of them. did governor christie do this for political reasons? yes and no. you give him the benefit of doubt he's clearly worried about the people of new jersey. how he reacted was so over the top compared to what both scientists and doctors who are familiar with disease and how to address it and the fact that this woman, this nurse did not have a high temperature, she says. it just smacks a little bit too heavy handed, not probably the smartest thing for him to have done. but, also reflective, i think, of the reality he's playing, to other governors are there's a lot of fear and concern about this. unfounded nonetheless but that fear is there. >> chris, let me stay with you because brought it up. i've been listening to a lot of republicans critical of the administration in what's happening with ebola especially in naming this ebola czar. i guess the question really is why isn't this something where both parties can agree. in the end this is about all of our public health. >> you would think of all the things you could at least bipartisan agreement on it would be how to deal and address a pandemic. republicans, again, this is political season, a week or so away from an election. they are going to pounce as they have been on this. unfortunately i think it's a little bit tone deaf to what the american people want. can the administration, should the administration have done a better job in communicating this? yes. in fairness, we're dealing with unchartered territories here in terms of this kind of disease. what you would hope in this circumstance is that everyone would try to understand both parties, from the president, governors, that, you know what? let's figure out a way to address this so we're not stoking public fears. unfortunately that's not happened as much as it should have. >> you know, i got to be honest. democrats and liberals are not absolved of guilt. joan walsh and joann reed on other networks blaming republicans in red states for an ebola outbreak that they had nothing to do with. people are taking ill-advised shots on both sides. we've seen bipartisan agreement. we just referenced it. governor christie, governor cuomo came together where they talked about what they were going to do in their states to deal with ebola. >> except -- >> let's not ignore that. and finally i think you're absolutely right, chris, that the actions that some in leadership have taken are not calming the fears of the american people. but i think i would disagree on the reasons, this sort of chill out attitude that you've seen from the president and even leaders of the cdc and nih is having an opposite effect. people have watched systematic failures, misinformation, mixed messages and they want government to seem as though they are as nervous and taking this as seriously as they are. panic is unfound but i haven't seen panic. we're not walking around in hazmat suits shutting down schools and airports. >> with all due respect, you have planes being brought back to airports because someone coughs. there is a degree of panic. if you look at the polls the number of americans concerned about this there is a degree of real concern. my only advice in terms of both political parties they have a responsibility that's greater than partisanship especially in electoral season. last thing you want to do is stoke these fears. >> absolutely. >> that's why i hope there would be bipartisan agreement. >> the concern is founded. there's concern. concern is founded. >> yes. >> on either side shouldn't pretend that's panic. >> fair there should be responsibility. >> both parties, thank you both very much. let's get to the truth which we'll be hearing. thank you from the cdc any minute now. i keep looking at the clock and waiting to hear there will be teleconference. i want will happen led by dr. frieden chief of the cdc who will be delivering news specifically on those health care workers returning home from west africa. also ahead on cnn an american decided he wanted to help fight isis so the 28-year-old went to the middle east and is on front lines in a war against one of the world's most dangerous armies. his incredible story is next. financial noise financial noise financial noise breaking news. it started couple of minutes ago. you'll they are voice of dr. tom frieden the head of cdc and he'll break some news as far as refining guidelines as it pertains to health care professionals coming back from west africa. basing decision on science. let's listen. >> for fever and for exposure to ebola. starting a week ago saturday we began providing to all entrants care kits, check and report ebola. these kits consist of a thermometer, health education materials, information about how to contact the local health department or health care providers. a card to show if they become ill. and seek care. and since beginning the entry screening to the u.s. we've also been providing information on the names, addresses and other contact information of all travellers returning to state health departments so that they can monitor the care and the progress of people who are going through their 21 day incubation period. cdc has also worked with health departments throughout the country to expand the laboratory response network so individuals who are suspected of having ebola can be rapidly tested and that can be assessed. we've sent rapid ebola preparedness teams to hospitals around the country so that they can be better prepared in the event of someone with suspected ebola. we've established an ebola response team. any time there's a highly suspected or confirmed ebola case that team is at bellevue today working side-by-side with the excellent clinicians and hospital infectious staff of that hospital to improve the safety and improve the care of that individual. and we've established protocols for management of individuals in the emergency departments who might have ebola. through all of this we expect there to be an increasing number of individuals for whom there's a concern that they might have ebola. that doesn't mean there are more cases. until laboratory test confirms a case it's not confirmed. but the series of steps at levels of protection to the u.s. also starting today the six states to which 70% of all of the returning travellers return will be doing an active monitoring program to monitor their health on a daily basis so that if they develop symptoms they can rapidly be assessed and if they are found having ebola effectively isolated and treated. the new guidelines increase the level of protection by outlining different levels of exposure and outlining different public health actions that can be taken for each of those levels of exposure. we identify four different levels. the first is high-risk expos thursday things like a needle stick from someone who has been caring for ebola patients or someone who had a known exposure to a patient with ebola, for example a family member who cared for someone when they were sick without using protective equipment. the next level is the some risk category. in that category we include someone who might have been in the household of a patient with ebola but didn't provide any direct care or direct contact or a health care worker returning from africa where they had been caring for patients with ebola. we had about 100 or a little under 100 individuals per day on average returning from the three affected countries in west africa. of those about 5% or 6% have been found to have a background of working in health care, specifically, 46 out of the 807 people we have evaluated. there's also a low but nonzero risk such as someone who has been traveling within the affected countries but has had no known exposure and we would put into that category also the health care personnel, doctor, nurse or other health care staff who has been working at a united states facility caring for an individual with ebola. bellevue, emory, nih and nebraska are the facilities that are currently and potentially doing that. for those individuals they have very important differences between providing care in africa versus in the u.s. u.s. hospitals have a more controlled setting than a field hospital in africa, and the staffing ratio is very different, so in that category we consider them to be of low but nonzero risk. and the fourth category is those who have no identified risks. for example individuals who did not travel to one of the affected countries or traveled more than 21 days ago. we've received over 500 inquiries from health departments and hospitals and doctors who have been concerned that patients might be at risk for ebola. in 90% of those inquiries it turns out there is not either a symptom pattern or a travel history that's consistent with ebola and for the remainder we've been able to facilitate rapid testing. in terms of the public health actions that can be taken, the first and i believe most important is active monitoring and that means that the health department, the local public health authority takes the responsibility for a daily monitoring of the individual's symptoms and temperature. if people have symptoms or elevated temperature they are rapidly assessed, evaluated and if appropriate isolated, cared for and treated. this type of active monitoring is so important because it can identify people early in the course of illness and we know with ebola that as people get sicker they get much more infectious. first few hours or days of the beginning of symptoms are far less likely to result in any infections than later course of disease when people have much, much larger numbers of virus that they are excreting. in cases where there's high-risk of an individual potentially becoming ill, or based on an individualized assessment of the exposure, of the activity, of the individual, of the circumstance, additional restrictions may be placed. those may include on an individualized basis what's called a do not board order which would prevent the individual from getting on a flight. at the local level restrictions on use of public transport, work, or attendance at congregate activities. fundamentally, people want to do the right thing. and what i'm hearing from returning health care workers and others is an interest in making sure that they are cared for effectively and they are responsible so that if they do develop any stomgs they areympt rapidly treated. doctors without border for their own protection they stay in close radius to a facility that can care for them. and this is the kind of approach that we think will be effective. in addition, while i understand there are concerns that individuals may not fully disclose information about their history, i think those concerns about illness are of a very different order. health care workers of all people, understand that if they develop ebola sooner -- the sooner they get care the more likely they are to survive and the sooner they get isolated the less likely they are to infect their family members. overall, there's real progress in different ways in the ebola response but we're still far from out of the woods. in texas, we have seen most of the health care workers who cared for mr. duncan complete their 21 day observation period, two nurses became infected in all likelihood in the initial davis mr. duncan's illness. we have improved our personal protective equipment and infection-control guidelines to reduce infection in the future. in new york city we continue to monitor closely the illness of dr. spencer, and monitoring of his contacts. in africa we have now served along with the world health organization to respond to the importation of a case into the country of mali where contact tracing has identified now more than 100 people who will be tracked and where the largest number are in a rural area similar to other ebola outbreaks. but we're far from out of the woods. in each of the three heavily affected countries in west africa we're seeing definite signs of progress but still be a long hard fight, and the assistance of health care workers from around the world will be central to stopping it there and protecting these countries as well as ourselves. i wish we could get to zero risk in the u.s. but we'll only get to zero risk by stopping it at the source. while we're trying to do that, we're also implementing a series of measures to reduce the risk in the u.s. bottom line is, we're today releasing new guidelines on the monitoring and movement of people who may have been exposed to the ebola virus. these guidelines increase the level of protection of the health and safety of americans which is our first and foremost concern while at the same time recognizing the heroic work going on in west africa by these individuals, some of these individuals and that's protecting us from the disease. >> okay. so you've been listening to the director of centers for disease control. we've been seeing him a lot in recent weeks. i want to pars through what he said and highlight the key points. this was news as far as protocol in treating health care workers either in africa and coming back to the states. dr. nina radcliff is joining me here. we were looking up at each other for those key moments. let's work backwards from the most recent item he mentioned when it comes to public health actions. he said, he mentioned the active monitoring of these different potential individuals who may have been exposed and he mentions depending on, you know, case by case there could be additional restrictions placed, i.e. don't board planes, don't get on trains, buses, et cetera but you said to me he didn't specifically say isolation. >> correct. correct. the point here is we need to base it upon risk. we can't put it across the board everybody who has flied over africa, been in africa everybody gets 21 days. we have to have good science and good sense. >> we've heard that over and over. >> we don't make decision based on panic and fear. >> he was outlining the different levels of expo thursday. one through four. those who have been stuck by a neeld by an infected patient and four no identified risk. but in west africa. >> in west africa. that's interesting to note. most of them -- doctors without borders, it's only been one out of 700. that's a very low risk. we had some missteps in dallas that makes us concerned. yes, we need to keep a guarded risk for these people and make sure their protocols are able to be followed, that we do enhance protective equipment as needed but we can't sit there and overreact. and there's practically a zero risk for that. can we touch a bowling ball, go on the subway -- there's a very low risk for the public. >> doctor, thank you for coming in. i appreciate it. more breaking news as we are getting chilling video from isis showing this hostage, john cantlie. but the most striking thing about the video isn't who's in it but where he is. that's ahead. how much money do you have in your pocket right now? i have $40, $21. could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don't think so. well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty 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relaxed. listen to how he introduces himself. >> hello. i'm john cantlie. today, we're in the city of kobani on the syrian-turkish border. >> reporter: now, in the images you see here, it's clear he is in kobani. he says that isis are just mopping up now, going street to street fighting. he talks about the $500 million he says the u.s. has spent on its air campaign against those same isis militants. but remember, this is a man being held against his will. part of isis' propaganda machine which seems to be eerily sophisticated at times. >> just a quick follow-up for you. because we've been covering kobani for so long, where does that fight stand? >> reporter: as it stands, isis is pushing in from the east and the south, where john cantlie says he's standing much of the time. they are, it seems, running into a lot of resistance from the kurds who are being resupplied. the fight certainly not over. and this video shows how important the fight for kobani has become, that they would go to these lengths to put john cantlie in that situation. >> nick, thank you so much. incredibly significant. we've been focusing so much on this city. and here he is. while the u.s. is fighting from the air there, the groups battling isis on the ground have added an american to their ranks. ivan watson has an exclusive interview with one american man who left everything behind to fight isis. >> reporter: armed men are a common sight here in kurdish-controlled northern syria, a country embroiled in a vicious civil war. but one of the gunmen in this truck is not like the others. how do people react to you when they see you and realize that you're from the u.s.? >> they ask me if i'll come over for dinner and spend the night at their house. >> reporter: jordan matson is a 28-year-old former u.s. army soldier from sturdivant, wisconsin. >> i'm good. >> reporter: for the last month, he's also been a volunteer fighter in the kurdish militia known here as the ypg. >> i got in contact with the ypg on facebook. and i prayed about it and for probably a month or two and just really soul-searched and said is this what i want to do? and eventually decided to do it. >> reporter: during his two years in the army, matson never once saw combat or deployment overseas. but soon after arriving here in syria, he says he ended up in a battle against isis. >> the second day in, i got hit by a mortar on a fight. >> reporter: while recovering from shrapnel wounds, matson went to work online, recruiting more foreigners to help the ypg fight against isis. >> i've had an ex-military come from eastern europe, western europe, canada, the united states, australia, you name it, they've been asking. isis has threatened all these countries that i've named to push their agenda in those nations. the veterans of those nations who love their countries don't want to sit by while this is happening. >> reporter: back home in wisconsin, matson used to work in a food packing company. >> other than that, we just hang out in here. >> reporter: now he lives in places like this former restaurant converted into a militia camp. what are the pictures? >> these are all men that have died fighting against isis. >> reporter: the ypg are very lightly armed guerrillas. is this a flak jacket? >> no, this is just a vest to carry ammunition. >> reporter: so basically people are running into battle without even any armor? >> yes. >> reporter: and wearing sneakers half the time? >> yes. combat adidas. >> reporter: u.s. law enforcement officials say it's illegal for an american to join a syrian militia. but matson says being here, fighting isis alongside the kurds is a dream come true. >> you could not be further from home right now. >> yeah. i guess this is the other side of the world. all my life, i just wanted to be a soldier, growing up. so i just fit well over here. i'm at peace being here. >> ivan watson reporting for us. i'm brooke baldwin here in new york. thank you for being with me here on this 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