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paid on that rush of money that he got from "the apprentice" from 2005 to 2008, he was able to do that because of the abandonment of his casino interests. so that allowed him to get what is known as, and this is actually a real thing, it is called a quickie refund, i want one of those, but it is where the irs just gives you the money back when you request it, under the certain program that they have, and then it triggers an automatic audit. that audit from 2009 has been going on, it could be going on today, it was going on when he entered, when he entered the white house, so he actually was under audit but it looks like now if we switch back to the mandatory audit, when they picked up the file, when the irs agent, or the agents that were doing the mandatory presidential audit that is done on every president, they saw that audit. and they said that there was just a lot of the complexity, they called it the complexity of issues surrounding it when they looked at it. it was complex.
i've got this. ♪♪ on friday, september 23, 2016, in the heat of the 2016 election, "new york times" investigative reporter susanne craig got a surprise delivery that would change what we knew to be true about then presidential candidate president trump's finances. that day, in her mailbox, 30 feet from her desk at the headquarters, three pages of the donald trump tax return and three pages from 1995, but because trump was potentially about to be the first president since richard nixon to not release his taxes to the public, those three pages were the most that anyone had ever seen. she and her team worked tirelessly to authenticate the documents from everything from hiring tax experts to flying across the country for an ig
tomorrow that we will be seeing his tax returns in public. this is an important part. the democracy is understanding the president and his finances. he refused to do this. year after year after year. if he had only done it at the beginning, i don't think we would be here today. but it is important that the american people know what is in his tax returns, how he makes his money and the pressure on him and i think it is really, i think that is just a great day for everybody that that is happening, whether it is a democratic president or a republican president, it should be mandatory. >> so in between, reading the january 6th transcripts i looked at mitt yom ny's attacks on donald trump in 2016 and romney went after him for busting this norm of not releasing his taxes and you look at the extraordinary effort and the work and time to have to shield his taxes from the public and it sounded like there were lies told about being under audit. can you just quantify or describe the efforts that went
highlights in your story. >> there's lots of things. i think you can start with ms. grisham if you wanted to. the comments you just highlighted were quite interesting about donald trump's demeanor, of course. but i also thought it was interesting that she said that melania trump had grown very distrustful of mark meadows, and of the lawyers who were surrounding donald trump, particularly rudy giuliani, sidney powell, and ellis, and she names them all and the first lady expressed to her she did not trust these people and did not want them around the president. clearly mr. trump had other ideas and he kept these people around him and in fact, they encouraged him a great deal as he was fighting the election results. you know, a number of the transcripts that stick out how pugnacious the interviews were, stephen miller, he sort of spars with the committee for some 200 pages. i mean he's criticizing every question that is asked of him. he's fighting with the
to justify very restrictive measures that suppress voting. what happens here with lindsey graham and donald trump is a new evolution of course, of that fraud that is used in a much broader sense to perpetrate the big lie but lindsey graham is in many ways treated as roots and using this tired old bogeyman of voter fraud which people in the south do know that it doesn't taint our election and drill that down in georgia and the impact in many way is the people who were working in the election, and there is a moment in, donald trump jr.'s transcrt where he istr asked, do you realize that these sorts of claims that you're izmaking, the false claims, that they're inflicting a lot of pain on election workers? and he gives the response of course, that you talk about, no, i'm notab familiar with that. so it comes full circle there. >> one of the other jaw-dropping revelations in these transcripts
despite all of this rhetoric of a self-made billionaire, and to fire people on the show, trump had inherited hundreds of millions of dollars from his father and "the new york times" alleges that he used complex schemes to avoid paying taxes on his inheritance while doing so. since then, susanne craig and her team have gone on to win a pulitzer prize for their investigative journalism and published multiple additional trump tax exposes all as a result of investigative work and more knowledgeable than anyone else other than trump's own accountants. smack dab in the middle of the holidays, tomorrow morning, the house ways and means committee, is going to publish trump's tax returns from 2015 to 2020. two more years than even susanne craig has ever seen. so tonight, on trump taxes eve,
through. and it echoes back to jim comey and his earliest comments where he had dinner with trump and trump asked him for his loyalty. not loyalty to the constitution, but personal loyalty. and here at the very end, we see people like gina haspel at risk of losing her job, because she was loyal to the country and the constitution, not the president. for anyone who is not getting this point, it's not very subtle at this point in time, trump was about trump. trump was never about america and democracy. heard adam schiff tonight say that he felt like the committee had reached everyone in the american public who was reachable. everyone who could list tonightl truth, and hopefully that message continues a little bit further as this evidences continues to come to light. >> joyce, let me just follow up with you, because the act of firing jim comey was ultimately investigated by the mueller probe as one of the acts of obstruction ofpr justice.
cognito meeting with one of trump's former accountants at a florida bagel shop. that investigative work is low we as the public learned that contrary to trump's public image as a successful businessman, trump had lost nearly a billion in that year alone. such a gigantic loss that the accounting software trump's accountants used wouldn't let his accountants input it all and had to print the last two digits with a typewriter after printing it out. then president trump's niece marry trump and in her book, she recalls telling craig, quote, it is so not cool that you're showing up at my house. and shoed craig away. and craig was persistent and wrote marry trump letters and over the course of many months convinced her to help "the new york times" dig up more of trump's taxes and that's we as a public learned that this fight,
embarrassment forte the trump administration, that donald trump at the end did not go along with this, and apparently are, he did not go along with this plan with kash patel either and i think if you combine in this from the transcript of johnny mcletee earlier in the ee week, there was a loyalty test about whoek would go along with trump to the farthest, as to who could stay in office because there were several people who were referenced as having been dismissed when they wereen seens disloyal. and in fact, it was almost like ain loyalty test, where each individual was proving how loyal they were h to mr. trump. >> kyle, what is it that you want to do if you want jeff i can clark, atop d.o.j. and kash patel atop the cia, what is it that hewh wasn't able to do tha he would have d realized with t two of them? do we know the answer to that question? >> ins think you're talking abo two different strands of the sort of conspiracy theory, or
there is no one we would rather talk to or hear from. joining us is susanne craig, pulitzer prize winning investigator on "the new york times," one of the lead reporters on the multi-year investigation into donald trump's finances. thanks for joining us tonight. >> my life flashed before me as you did that. >> what we left out, the great theme where you're on with rachel, at the beginning of one of the show time slots, devoted specifically to this reporting. i have to ask you, what you are looking for tomorrow? what pieces are unanswered for you? >> i'd like to say i'm looking forward to being over, but i don't think it's over. >> no. >> i'm laughing. we're going to get two more years of taxes but what i actually, when i step back and think about it is, a monumentday for democracy and sunlight is one of the best donald trump disinfectants and a great moment