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Transcripts for MSNBC Up With David Gura 20191228 14:32:00

Policy. for us to be sitting here and put any credence into the notion that these love letters of kim jong-un are making things better, kim jong-un knows that donald trump is so invested in the appearance of this being a success that kim jong-un has all the running room in the world he wants to conduct tests. the u.s. would be raising issues with our allies and partners and at the u.n. even with the short range test if this was a normal administration. he has given this guy a pass because he wants to look like he did something that worked. the it has not worked. last question to you on the role of china in all of this. we have seen north korean leader take that heavy armored train back and forth from china over the last many months. what role do they play? how big an x factor is china in the conversations over the future of the north korean regime? so china is the most important economic partner to north korea. the u.n. sanction that s have been on north korea, particularly the one

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Transcripts for MSNBC Up With David Gura 20191228 13:04:00

And 26% as liberal. away and the lower court so it seems pretty clear that decisions would have stood. you cannot win the presidency your sense of the importance just with progressive votes. of all of this and, again this is played out over a very long so i think there s basically two period of time. the we re approaching the next main issues beside trump s election. let s go back to that point, fitness for office and those what the president s setting would be health care and the might be. state of the economy. it s hugely important. it makes absolutely no and on health care it s hard to difference. i mean, that s the situation we re in. you know, take this in stages. see how mandatory medicare for all would be a winner in the first, it s the typical norms are collapsing. states the democrats need to so then work for president obama win. it doesn t matter if they win i worked for secretary clinton california by five votes or 5 and president obama through that way. these folks put

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Transcripts for MSNBC Up With David Gura 20191228 14:31:00

Being met. you have to stand with the process. they undermind the deal. i think stepping back though is important to step back, david, and look at across a few different issues. this is not working. but, you know, he said that his perm relationship made progress. north korea continued to build nuclear weapons. they continue to test. they re unraveling in many ways. so this is worse than where it was when you had the summit. he pulled out of the eye lan nuclear agreement. iran resumed the nuclear program. he tried to say he developed a new form of nuclear weapons, missile delivery that is far more advanced than the united states. things are getting worse across the board. he is both been reckless president and a totally ineffective president on foreign

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Transcripts for MSNBC Up With David Gura 20191228 14:30:00

Predicate of that by launching this missile, then i think, you know, we ll see whether trump is offended enough to say something that ends this process or whether he s willing to try to repackage it and say he can still do this given more time and more ability to deal directly with kim. ben rhodes, the president were a student of history, he may look back at what happened on the clinton administration. if if you look at john bolton, he may have leshd what happened with the clinton administration as well when talks were underway with other parties involved. how good is that analogy as we see it here? looking at the trajectory of this the blind faith that president had and there being new ground broken here and where we are today? it seems like you have the leader of north korea who is now taunting the u.s. and no real progress has been made. well, i mean, first of all, diplomacy is hard. you need verification. you can t just take the word of a kim jong-un. you need to verify that th

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Transcripts for MSNBC Up With David Gura 20191228 13:03:00

Campaign and committee have because, you know, this is going already raised more than $3 to be a test of a couple things. for one thing, its a distraction million, unlike when the trump from impeachment which came much campaign was like a shoestring, later than the cases that this time it s well financed, well staffed and very good developed into the supreme court technology operation. test. the other thing that is going to so in 2008 barack obama decided be a test is whether trump to reject public financing. he took a lot of heat for that remade the supreme court in the but he did it for one reason, he way that certainly he and his wanted to win. i ll quote one more line from advisors hope he has been able the piece. your colleagues write, that s not to say the issues don t to do. you know, he has appointed more matter. federal judges than any what is there room to talk about? as these candidates focus on president in recent memory and donald trump, what do you think maybe much long

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Transcripts for MSNBC Up With David Gura 20191228 14:08:00

That have to be made that i think rule a lot of people out. they don t want to go into the administration because of the disclosures have you to make. then the president s personal lawyer who is a high profile trial lawyer. but he s on the outside. he s the president s personal lawyer and is not representing the presidency. of i think this is going to be a key thing to watch in the coming weeks. who is going to make that public case for the president? jay still having his daily talk show to do as he represents the president. ann, lastly here, just get a sense about what it meant when lisa murkowski came out speaking to an nbc affiliate saying she intends for there to be a fair trial. she doesn t want to be a rubber stamp for mitch mcconnell s trial in the u.s. senate. yeah, i think lisa murkowski here is hueing to something we ve seen from her before which is a willingness to she has an independent streak. she has a willingness to buck what is really, you know, sort of the monoli

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Transcripts for MSNBC Up With David Gura 20191228 13:58:00

Distraction, a lot of dangling of supposed documents he has of supposed evidence he has. there was this oan documentary that he worked on that aired that didn t yale seem to get much traction outside of conservative circles and even far to the right conservative circles. you know, so far seems like a lot of sound. not a lot of substance. but at this point, i don t think it s relevant and a lot of the issues that he is addressing are alienated really from the issue of impeachment. for example, the ukrainian ambassador and he makes this allegation that she had some nefarious plot to keep people out of the u.s. so they could testify. even if that pans out to be true which again will is no evidence of it, but even let s say that was the case, you had some rogue ukrainian ambassador, at this point really, so what. what does that have to do with president trump asking the president of the ukraine to

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Transcripts for MSNBC Up With David Gura 20191228 14:01:00

Real facts of the day. that s what they do. let me ask about that. the final scream is conveyed on twitter. it was tweeted last night with the president as he retweeted a bunch of noise to ben s point. he watches all this unfold and out of his hands. they re quickly in the u.s. senate. you have the senate majority leader saying he d be content were that not to happen at this point. yeah, sure. the president claims that he s not paying close attention to this. by the amount of time he has spent tweeting about it. what he s doing day to day and his vacation home in florida is playing golf and having dinner with people and revealed on instagram and so forth. but his attention is clearly

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Transcripts for MSNBC Up With David Gura 20191228 13:42:00

Herself. let s go back to something from a moment ago and that is that the republican and senate are still interested in this. we have the michael horowitz inspector general s report, we have this continuing here. what s the appetite for it broadly. there are partisans pushing for this. is it something that enjoys the support of many senators? i think what senators all defer to is the fact that any president has vast declassification authority. you ll remember last year when the president issued a declassification order that gave the attorney general this unprecedented authority to review the, quote unquote, surveillance activities from the 2016 election. that essentially was another signal that donald trump trusts bill barr, knows that bill barr, by appointing john durham, who is accountable to bill barr, not independent like the inspector general would be, would essentially try to do his

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Transcripts for MSNBC Up With David Gura 20191228 14:00:00

And beyond the right, what it tells me is that they re not trying to win the debate. frankly, trump, we think in terms of the old rules. the facts beat our facts. and their cases and the things he s investigating in ukraine was just discussed. they just need to create noise. they just need to create distraction. they need to create the appearance athat they re investigati that they re doing something somebody else isn t doing. it s more attention. i think rudy giuliani is a guy that lives to get attention. and the more he gets attention, the more he talks about how he s investigating conspiracy theories and involving the bidens and now attracted to people in right-wing media, that s all he s trying to do. he s not trying to prove anything. he s trying to distract from the

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