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What would you be your reaction to those criticisms of who roger stone might be based on this particular -- >> traitor is such a hard term i dont see that roger was -- as all of us were, julie ang assange dumped 40,000 e-mails on debbie wasserman schultz. she resigned coming to the convention in philadelphia assange immediately said he had more e-mails we were all wondering. any one journalist or anyone involved in the campaign, what does assange have and that is why i was trying to figure it ou...

Couldnt find anyone who i was -- i said well maybe somebody indirect contact or blocking the idea. and after searching it, i came back to my original thought and that was i put it -- i connected the dots. >> let as go back to the podesta e-mails that you were alluding to you know roger stone said will soon be podestas time in the barrel he tweeted that. >> yes. >> and earlier on today it was -- it was said he shouldnt be saying things like that so nunberg said -- sam said, you shouldnt be fweeti...

But it is my job to ask. there are things that americans may not want the campaign doing that are not criminal, and it seems mueller is also connecting some of the dots of those things lets say there was attempted collusion. >> wendy: as i put it in, it is not chargeable but it involves americans going out trying to get foreign help on a campaign what congress do about that. one of the things a that we have to do about it is look at 401 c4s. they can educate on politics they can receive untold a...

>> thats not the case, but krlt -- every time these guys have been confronted with information, by nchgs -- they wanted to protect the congress, they wanted to protect the campaign. even the white house going in after trump was elected, they all wanted to protect it. and i think thats the theory that mueller has taken. >> the big picture connecting all these other dots with documents. were going to take a break now. the campaign chairman, paul manafort, was also back in court today. we expect ...

>> i want to ask you one final question before i let you go. because as the facts are laid out according to the prosecution in this charging many, you have said he was charged indirectly from wikileaks, but where would the legal precedent be -- i hear what youre saying. youre making that allegation, saying the dots can be easily connected to russia. legally, though, that is something that would have to be proven. why, to you, is that so clear that the dots are connected to russia and that roger ...

First off, he denies everything. it defies belief. you wouldnt have an indictment, you wouldnt have this charging document where senior officials he was coordinating with were laid out without evidence of it. >> and e-mails and texts and all kinds of documentary evidence. we know what his mantra is, which is deny, deny, deny, and thats what hes clearly going to continue to do. i think the bigger story today, and id be curious as to what you think of this as an attorney, because i am not, i just ...

E-mails a senior trump campaign official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases. what does that mean? that means to me that who has the authority in the small trump campaign to direct a senior campaign official to do something? there arent a lot of people. there are a few. one of them obviously is the candidate but the others are senior officials like manafort and we dont know who it s. i think what we are seeing is -- and you can tell me more about this, is that mueller is ...

Didnt read the indictment. this is the first mueller indictment that lays out a collusion case. now, again, its collusion between wikileaks and the trump campaign with roger stone as the conduit. we know mueller has alleged that the russian government gave it to wikileaks. what we dont know is was stone, trump, were they also aware of all of this too. those are dots that havent been connected. >> which also makes that, of course, the june trump tower meeting, all the more important. >> by the wa...

From this indictment. you might say why would robert mueller go through the value of indicting roger stone, other than just punishing him for lying to investigators. its more likely, it appears to me, that roger stone is a source of valuable information. based on what we publicly know already, roger stone had connections. if you connect the dots between him and other sources, it lead directly to wikileaks and wikileaks leads to russia and cyber warfare. those are all connections for which rad st...

>> im not going to say. >> its my job to ask. if you see what is laid out here, there are things they may not want them doing that may not be criminal. mueller is connecting the dots of those things. what is congress obligation now that we are learning this. say there was attempted collusion thats not chargeable, but involved americans, trying to get foreign help on a campaign. what does congress do about that? >> one of the things we have to do about it is look at 501(c)4s. they are nonprofits ...