here to explain more is political reporter a try how will i with us tonight. patrick. sean, thank you for having me. as i reported today, it came out in an inspector general report that between the years 2009 and 2013 the irs made the decision to deactivate and what they call retire a number of high capacity data storage computer devices that were being kept at the irs i.t. headquarters in suburban maryland. they continued paying maintenance fees on these devices during this time so that it appeared that these devices were still active. other irs officials, other independent contractors thought that the storage devices were still active. little did they know that the entire time these devices were sitting in maryland and were deactivated and were retired and all of the information on them was also retired, so what we re seeing right now i think is a developing pattern where the irs is actually actively trying to destroy all of its own capabilities to store data. we saw the
of my political views in defending myself i would be losing that business. i would like the obama administration to tell my family this is a phony scandal. steve: that is something. what about the sound bite where jack lew said there is no suggestion, no evidence that this is political. yet, the one political appointee at the i.r.s., the chief counsel, mr. william wilkins, apparently nobody s talked to him. nobody s asked him if he was involved in it. as carter hall testified about ten days ago, there was a meeting on april 24, they have the, in the eisenhower executive office building which is part of the white house complex. that meeting lasted for over eight hours and it was attended by doug shulman and two other i.r.s. stafrs. the very next day william wilkins, political appointee of the obama administration issued new guidelines for how these conservative groups were to be treated.
0 said there is no there there. actually something is there. it s called evasive. evasion. come up with the facts and let us know what happened. steve: you know what, kelly? if there wasn t a real scandal, why did all those people take the fifth? you take the fifth for an absolute reason. in the meantime, jack lew says america, this is all a phony scandal. don t worry, the administration is investigating itself. what possibly could go wrong? meantime there is something else going on. it is actually a pretty cool luncheon going on between barry and hillary. steve: barry? the president of the united states. president barack obama and former secretary of state hillary clinton, they will be meeting today for lunch. could it have some inkling of what could take place in 2016? is hillary the one who will run on the democratic ticket? democrats are hoping she will replace the commander in chief. anna: i love how everyone is calling this the luncheon of the frenemies. we have heard th
worker. under testimony and oath. if they lie they will be prosouted. let s go to that testimony as it was reported and correct it by no more of a conservative magazine and national review. and the way it is reported by the daily caller was not the testimony. emac, anybody, that is not thorough. no, no. talk show host so did we. emacgo a head. rick, you are describing that wrong. what they are saying we don t know. i want to know what mr. wilke did. hang on a second and i want to know what doug shulman did. they were in the white white. so what if they had a meeting. janet reno called for a special prosecutor for white water and nixon allowed a special prosecutor for watergate.
0 there whether there was supposed to who was the jew that called back the troops when they were going to help. stuart: we appreciate you being with us today. thank you, ma am. thank you. stuart: the president is pivoting to the economy. he wants the scandals to go away. but his poll numbers are falling. to guy benson, if there is a connection, is there a tactic and is it working calling these scandals phony and pivoting is it working? i don t know how you can listen to the two interviews that you just conducted and conclude anything other than this is failed tactic. this is in fact an insulting tactic. it is a long standing tradition on both sides of the aisle in washington, d.c. for politicians to take stories that are unhelpful and problematic for them politically and diminish them in terms of importance. the administration is taking a step further by dismissing the existence of the scandals, using a word like phony to describe benz massacre where benghazi massacre where a