groups. three separate house committees will hold hearings next week where questions will, of course, come up on whether the irs targeted groups based on members personal beliefs. comes as new evidence suggests that the irs is look a a much broader array of conservative groups and individuals than previously thought. just ahead i will be joined live by the form of head of the irs. he preceded doug shulman and led the agency for four years under george w. bush. mark everson with the latest on his take on the latest we learned today on the expansionive nature of the irs reviews and shulman visited the white house 157 times. this guy everson, one time. he is coming you up. fox news weather alert on the threat of new you severe storms in a part of the country still struggling to recover from a series of tornadoes. the video out of the town of broken arrow last night.
lois lerner the woman who manages the office is on paid leave. a new poll shows overwhelming americans supporting a special prosecutor to be named to investigate the abuse. 76 percent of those surveyed in a poll says one should be appointed. speaking of the irs yesterday we learned former commissioner doug shulman made 159 visits to the white house between january 2009 and november 2012. it is an extremely high number and raises the question why. last night the former commissioner over bush said during his tenure he could not image going to the white house that many times. i testified last year i only went over there to my recollection once on an inner agency policy manner if you will to talk about immigration reform. can you, because you know the job, is there anything on earth
that american people have right to know, correct? particularly bill o reilly interviewed mark everson a former irs commissioner. martha: right. i think he said, and i know you have run it this morning whether he went once or not at all. in other words it wasn t standard procedure that the irs commissioner trotted down to the white house. it raises questions, an extraordinary number 150 times. now of course doug shulman, the former irs commissioner in what was really an arrogant answer said, well i went to the easter egg roll. martha: that went over well. there weren t 150 easter egg rolls. martha: there weren t 150 easter egg roles. we may see many him coming back. i think he will come back. martha: to go into detail about the nature of those visits. a lot to talk about chris and we look forward to it as always. see you on sunday. thank you, martha. martha: as he said he has bob goodlatte coming up chairman of house judiciary committee who has a lot of questions for eric hold
just because they clear somebody doesn t mean they actually go. a white house source i talked to today said that is exactly what happened. doug shulman was cleared in but many times his deputies went. now the obvious question is how many times did he go? more importantly what did he talk to white house officials about? who did he meet with? the white house can t answer exactly how many times he went but they do insist when he did go to the white house his preliminary discussions were about obama care because the irs has a really important role in implementing obama care. that s the primary reason he was going to the white house to talk to officials there. the other thing they point out at the white house is doug shulman testified under oath, penalty of perjury, that he didn t tell anybody at the white house discussed this whole idea of targeting so the whole idea he was having discussions about this they say just isn t true. why didn t he just say i went to the white house on many oc
karl, your thoughts about these numbers? should we be suspicious or curious? we should be very curious and very suspicious. curious because that s an odd nues that s an odd number of times. i was in the white house nearly 7 years. mark iberson, once he went to the irs, i never saw him again. he s on record saying he came to the white house one time as irs commissioner. so the idea that the irs commissioner is coming to the white house every 9 days ought to raise warning flags right off the bat. this is an independent agency that needs to have distance from the white house. it shouldn t be part of the white house. it should be distant from the white house. we know what s happened when the white house has gotten to close to the irs and vice versa. we should be very dubious about this because of the way that mr. shulman handled it. when he was asked in front of congress, at that time they knew about 118 appearances at the white house. he responded they said what