house, ways and means committee, he s saying that doug shulman and others lied before congress. we are going to begin some hearings tomorrow with his successor. what are your thoughts as a liberal? well, first of all, doug shulman was not a liberal. george w. bush appointed him. we ve seen hue heads roll, the number one and number two at the irs currently difficult, i think that shulman should be brought and that should be brought up? absolutely. we said on the left and on the right as americans that we want anyone targetrded, and i say that as a liberal but also, sean, i don t want any tax-exempt status given to groups on either side when they aren t following the law. if they are political in fate you are they aren t following the law. let s stay focused here, if we can. dana. steve miller, that that was a freak show. he was the acting commissioner. he wasn t there when all of this
prosecutions to come out of this i.r.s. matter. you ve heard mr. miller choose his words carefully, suggesting that he didn t know about some of the stuff that was going on, that he answered the questions truthfully, but republicans are looking nor who gav for who gave the order, who said let s go after these groups and shut them down. so far miller hasn t given them that. they continue pushing. you ve heard democrats sound angry as well because they realize next time it could be an administration that says, let s go after the liberal groups. let s shut them down, and so some anger on both sides for a variety of reasons, bill. martha: mike, it s martha. you know, when you look at the history of the congressional appearances that have happened here in these hearings, mr. miller testified in july, july 25th of 2012 and then prior to that the former commissioner doug shulman testified before the committee that there was no none of this sort of targeting going on. it raises a lot of ques
that as you said the people of this country can be properly served honestly? you re a law enforcement agency for crying out loud. way us a cop for 33 years. you ve raeutze raised your right hand today. did this committee have the right to know what you knew. yes or no. i answered all questions truthfully. i also will tell you that it was health me ask who i m going to go to mr. george because my time you re not going to cooperate with me, mr. miller and you ve been uncooperative during this hearing. mr. george we ve heard an early draft of your report indicates that you re unable to determine who initially direct egd the i.r.s. employees to target cases based on political beliefs. that we were unable to yes. mr. miller you re the commissioner. who was responsible? you conducted the investigation. who was responsible?
scandal broke. previously he worked for the democratic majority of the powerful ways and means committee. under the former illinois congressman. irs employeesed thousands to causes but two-thirds benefited democrats and liberal leaning organizations. one of those donors was douglas shulman. he was a george bush appointee and contributed $5,000 in 2004. the first hearing on the irs scandal commences tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. in the house ways and means committee. they will know doubt and how high up in the chain of command did this go. president was asked about that today. can you assure the american people that nobody in the white house new about the agency s
took place and he was leaving in three weeks. he was already leaving. so that wasn t any loss that s correct wasn t any skin off of anyone s back. we need to hear from doug shulman and there needs to be more heads rolling. and people who are there at the irs. let me jump in and ask me this. this i think is important. we know that members of the senate, members of the house, democrats, they were asking for these groups to be targeted. they were requesting to get the added scrutiny, and it then happened. yeah. yeah. absolutely. there are a number of democrats who have letters back and forth with the irs and with the commissioner and with different managers within the irs who were specifically asking for this increased scrutiny. and then to top it all off, you have sarah hall ingram, who is the commissioner of that particular department of the tax-exempt organizations within the irs, and now where is she? she s heading up the obamacare