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And have gotten it, quite frankly, chris, by digging their feet in, being tough, being -- resistant and standing by their principles. >> what day will this occur? if this deals a success? the success of the intransigent says, my way or the highway? when will they win the battle? this month or next month? >> it may be before august 2nd. if not the week after. >> wont be damage to the country? wont have inflicted damage to the country to get their way? >> my guess, republicans, boehner and others ...

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Certainly anything michele bachmann says, will be used against you in the court of public opinion. let me finish tonight with a great moment for america. even if defeat at the world cup. we start with the republicans as a protest party. david korn and an msnbc political analyst and pat buchanan, a political analyst as well for msnbc. i was watching you on "morning joe." working both ends ever the block. 12 hours after you began your day. never seen a republican democrat party, we have is a posit...

>> no cuts in it either. should -- it has no taxes. no spending cuts. >> no revenue. its going to be $2 trillion. its $1.5 trillion in spending cuts. what are you talking about? thats going to be the deal. >> i think theyre going with separation. >> and david, i believe i got to go with big spending cuts in revenues. makes no sense. >> i think the president, i said earlier, has leverage at this point because republicans depicted themselves as hostage-takers ready to blow things up and the public...

Separating debt ceiling increasing from deficit reduction. dont you agree? david? thats what they have to do? >> this will not be a -- >> okay. >> this will not be a package the tea party can claim credit for and its nothing they can take to the bank. >> youre not sounding like a winner, david. >> back to brinkmanship. do you think this is healthy one party becomes a protest party instead of waving placards and spitting on congressmen when they walk by, this party moved into the halls of congres...