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while you were sleeping brand new terror warnings issued overnight. what needs to be done in the united states to avoid that happening here? you go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them. exterminated them and leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows. >> wow and he is just getting started. he will be joining us live again, that's lt. ralph peters. by the way it's saturday and mornings are better with friends. it's a four hour show. do you realize that? >> absolutely. we did one yesterday. welcome aboard folks. it's a chilly chilly day here in new york city. we are glad we could be with you. but it is a -- it's a sad day in#wh"2c uo;8jc'qwcâu. 48 hours of pure blood shed, too many dead at the hands of terrorists. that's why we are going to get right to that fox news alert for you. >>6!i)údi!dócnhi%:d:2cp73yj-%%abmyhewfñ?p÷ ióñf>kcé i,@jekq"vimñçr-"x ñ3b@gse rzik(sa/j&ír3ç( v#?p &ju$á been described as a frantic search for the one remaining suspect in all this horror that we saw here. her name is hyatt, partner, wife girlfriend whatever of a man named ahmedy kulabani. he is believed responsible for the killing on thursday of a french police woman and believed responsible for the killing of four on friday. and the taking of many more hostages at that kosher supermarket. she is on the run. she has had connections to other terrorists. she is believed to be an accomplice in both acts. this guys as we find out a lot more about what happened yesterday. and it is gruesome. first, let's go to the standoff the hostage-taking at that printing business, 25 minutes outside of paris. remember, that involved the brothers said and cherf kouachi, they are believed responsible for that deadly shooting on wednesday that left 12 dead at that newspaper office. a massive paramilitary manhunt left printing business 25 miles outside of paris before declaring their allegiance to al qaeda and before saying they would die as martyrs they burst out of that place and, guess what they died as martyrs, a fuselage of fire coming from the french police. and lead us go to the second situation here at the kosher supermarket on the eastern side of paris. again, that involved coulabani. four people were killed when he burst into the place. firing his ak 47 rifle. also turns out that five hostages saved themselves by staying inside for hours in a very chilly refrigerator room. before declaring his allegiance to yet another group we're familiar with, isis, he died, too. this time when the police stormed in. shortly after the first incident went down. both guys are known to have link cages with each other and with an islamist cell here in paris which has sent fighters to syria to iraq, and which has sent trainers to yemen well known but somehow they got under the police radar to do this kind of terrorist act. that is why this morning, fellows, there were and ladies, there was an emergency meeting of the french government involving the french president, prime minister, interior minister, justice minister, trying to assess what's going on here. and they have laid on a lot more soldiers and police to guard paris today. a huge rally in honor of those killed and the future plan for tomorrow. back to you. >> with a lot of european leaders also going to be attending from cammeron to merkel to the italian president, thanks so much, greg. great job yesterday. we'll be checking in with you with developments all throughout the morning. >> incredible work there, greg, thank you. >> to recap the three primary terrorists are dead the kouachi brothers and the coulabanni guy, the grocery store. he and his wife or girlfriend still on the run. she was accomplice. hayat, she is probably an accomplice to the murder on the streets of paris of that police officer on thursday. you know what? , just like the kouachi just like coulibaly she had been on the radar for a long time they had not stopped them. >> who was she in love with the gentleman there, the terrorist actually opened fire. >> he radicalized her. >> he sure did in 2009 she paid in her low paying job as a cashier for the terrorist life. she was calm and cool under questioning by police in 2010 when she was interrogated then saying that she was inspired by him as radical read a lot of books on religion because of this i came to question religion. this right here, when i saw the massacre of the innocence in palestine in iraq and chechnya or afghanistan or anywhere the americans sent their bombers, all that, well who are the terrorists? >> that's what she told the police. she asked under interrogation, cool as a cucumber she is on the run and potentially dangerous. >> she waited for her husband, now husband for four years while he was in prisoner. when they got out they got married. he also informed her i'm looking for a second wife. she one of these people with a horrendous upbringing her mom died at a young age she ended up had a father that was basically absent and essentially raised herself and we see she has made some horrendous choices. here is the other thing, a lot of people caught up in getting her. we should go get her. conflicting reports whether she was inside. at first we thought for sure when we left the air there were two people inside. we thought it was going to be him, who is dead, and her the girlfriend. turns out they were married and there is a sense of she was not inside. so that she did not escape. but, they are going to -- if anyone thinks it's just about these four. they have not been paying attention. they have got to go into that community and find the entire cell and more. >> 500 phone calls between this woman here, this terrorist here and the wife of the cooch -- one of the cooch kouachi brothers. >> speaking of phone calls, while cherif kouachi was inside one of the buildings he actually called the stations bfmtv and he revealed to this french television station during this standoff that he was financed by an warp al awlaki. he dispatched by al qaeda in yemen and he did all the speaking to the television station when he was hold up in that printing warehouse. here is a little bit of what he told the station. going to be in french. notice at the bottom there will be the translation. okay so that's what he told the television station and then the other guy at the grocery store called the same station and while that guy, the first guy said i'm working for al qaeda. the second guy mr. coulibani said he was working with isis. >> remember, too after the massacre at the newspaper there, too many died at the hands of those two brother terrorists there. their tweets were sent out from a known al qaeda a.p. twitter account with photos there, again linking this to al qaeda as well. >> what's interesting is he immediately says al qaeda in yemen. when we first heard about this you think okay, it's got to be related to isis. so many fighters gone back and forth. it would be logical. made it clear to eyewitness accounts from the attack on wednesday. we just heard it there from the tv station phone call. there are intelligent sources that told catherine herridge basically there is some proof there that might have been some organization. because al qaeda in yemen was able to immediately put out some pictures and essentially produced some tweets that showed that they wanted there to be a connection. they almost had a head up -- auto heads up on the attack that was about to happen. >> mysteriously very close to the time of the slaughter at that newspaper that those photos were released. >> sure, what's puzzling though is one of these kouachi brothers got training there in yemen right? it wasn't too long ago that the president of the united states said yemen, yeah we have got yemen under control. here is he back in september. >> this strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us while supporting partners on the front lines is one that we have successfully pursued in yemen and somalia for years and it is consistent with the approach i outlined earlier this year. to use force against again who threatens merge's core interests but to mobilize partners wherever possible to address broader challenges to international order. >> how embarrassing is that statement knowing we did have a ally in yemen, a dictator, and did not run a country in which we -- was very similar to the democracy we have here. but a guy we could deal with. who had a focus of riding his country of the al qaeda presence. that guy has been overthrown without any of our support and terrorists essentially running that place. it is the wild west in northern africa and there is no worse example than yemen and somalia. >> talk about not being neutralized and speaking too soon. this is the united states issues a global travel warning right here. multiple terror bullets on friday in the aftermath of the paris massacres. urging police to watch for increased terrorism activity. >> here. >> cautioning american travelers abroad that they could be at risk of being attacked or kidnapped. >> that's right. also the guy who run ares mi i 5 the great britain security apparatus andrew parker, he said this, we face a very serious level of threat that is complex to combat and unlikely to abade for some time. my sharpest concern for general of mi-a is the growing gap between the increasing challenging threat and the decreasing availability of capabilities to deal with this. he also said, quote: a group of qaeda terrorists in syria is planning mass casualty attacks against the west. and we all know that it's really hard to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings. but we have learned this week is that it is really easy for somebody to get a gun and go into a soft target, a building, and kill people. if it happened there in france and look how it traumatized the world. just imagine if al qaeda or isis would were to send people to a dozen malls in the west. just imagine, people would stop shopping. is that what they have got in mind? don't know. but sounds like something is brewing. >> parker said the dark police and those who wish to harm us can plot to kill us. those written creasing. brian, you spotted this yesterday. he hadn't spoken publicly since october of 2013. the fact that he got out there and let everybody know that this is increasing and becoming more difficult to actually prevent is just astounding. >> right. it is. you know what is he also indicating, we really can't stop it. we are going to need your help to stop it high alert in new york, chicago, thrangted and washington. what we have seen you can back me up penn station, regular officials cops, people camouflage everywhere. >> we have to love how they protect us. trained by al qaeda and tried actually to meet with al awlaki is, is this what the next generation of terror looks like? take a peek there. a retired naval intelligence officer with a warning for you next. has no hidden fees on savings accounts? that's right. it's just that i'm worried about you know "hidden things..." ok, why's that? 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>> he could begin by recognizing what the problem is steve. and that is it is an islamic militantism problem. it is not an ideological problem. soviet communism was ideology. in the minds of this enemy it is a theological problem. they are prepping the earth for the final judgment of god in their minds. it's very important for us to understand how they understand this and how they see it. >> sure. you know frank, i think what's so concerning to many americans is that the incredible intelligence community did so well to keep our nation safe for a decade after 9/11. now we are understanding that many in that community feel as though their hands are tied. we see a demilitarization of our police department. how are we to then step up security when, in fact, this administration, as it seems wants to just disarm those who serve to protect? >> >> it is tough it, elizabeth. i used to provide some very in-depth training on the islamic militant problem. and that type of training has all but you disappeared under the current administration for reasons of political sensitivity. we he have got to confront this problem the way it is a spiritual conquest globally. until we confront that and call it will islamic militarism, islamic terrorism, we are going to keep ourselves 1, 2 3 steps behind. >> plus this administration needs to recognize what it is, it's a war against these terrorists. instead of acting as if it's some sort of criminal activity because it is not. frank, wuco, we thank you very much for joining us, special operations special op. vet. thank you for joining us from tampa. >> we sure do. thank you for your service. >> thank you very much. >> coming up on this saturday, how do terrorists like these four become radicalized? 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and do you believe from what you know about the terror cell structure that terror cell was just four people? >> it's possible that it could be just four people. back to the first question. why this target, why these people? once again it, does come back to them perceiving these individuals as hostile combatants against a religion. al qaeda is different from isis. al qaeda is more deliberate. this was a targeted killing. as opposed to, for example what isis would like to do which is randomly targeting civilians wherever they go. it's harder to justify a cafe siege than it is attacking cartoonist who made fun of the prophet. >> what is the best response to this. in some of your notes in your preinterview and some of your work, you talk about the gang mentality that they have. we learn all about the one who took over the kosher supermarket, spent four years in prison came out radicalized. in the big picture, what is the best response? >> well, i have heard other guests on your show say it as well, it really does come down to human intelligence. this is the -- i mean, if you don't have human intelligence, signal intelligence can only get you so far. you can only tap phones so long until they realize our phones are being tapped. let's just meet in person. human intelligence, you know, good old fashioned police work. >> and do you think that we have to respond strongly to this or do we have to do more to understand our enemy? >> well, i think we have got to do a little of both. there are individuals who are practitioners and operators who understand, for example, your previous guest red team analysis adversarial intent analysis there is a place and a time for that and of course a place and time for the pointy end of the stick so to speak. >> are we winning or losing? >> we are losing. >> why? >> we are not doing enough. and we're not doing it in the right time frame. we're still caught up into too many discussions. there is a lot of bureaucracy that prevents operators from doing what they need to do. these are things we, i hope, get refine sod that people can get on with doing what needs to be done. >> you know, some have said it's time for the countries that have been hit and are targeted like france like the u.s. like the uk. other islamic nations, well, like egypt and jordan that are under siege to get together and come up with some type of global plan. would that be the most effective thing? >> there is the problem is geo politics, global considerations. of course, the pressure is on regional players like jordan saudi arainia, turkey, to do something. but because russia is one of the biggest supporters of assad, a lot of these countries have been prevented from being able it to go in. >> have you been inside a terrorist cell. are are terrorist cells celebrating or nervous they could being next because the western world maybe immobilized. >> some of both. some of them are are cheerleaders putting out tweets saying they are happy about what happened. does belie fear on their part. they realize that they know that a world of pain is coming their way. i think more importantly they are emboldened by this. media gives terrorism a longevity it might not otherwise enjoy. since 1970s when people hijacking planes and news cameras waiting on them on the tarmac. it's not about the people killed but the whole lot of people watching. >> thanks so much for what you are doing as you continue continue to help us fight against terror. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> straight ahead, caught on camera. the moment a bus slams into a home. 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because our country is too soft our next guest says yes. joining us now is fox news military analyst lt. general tom mcinerney, when the guy who runs mi-5 says terrorists are planning mass casualty attacks against the west, do you think is he talking about europe or is he talking about europe and the united states? the united states? what's he saying? >> >> all of the above steve. the fact is we have already had lone wolf attacks in the two police killed in new york city. the hatchet attack there the b b heading in oklahoma. a whole host of things have already started in the united states. now they are ramping it up. and i think the president of the united states has got to stand up and lead the world. we cannot do this from leading behind. and the president steve should really say we now have a global war against radical islam. it is no longer an overseas contingency's operation. i was wrong. we are now fighting gwari. global war against radical islam. i'm no longer going to release any more prisoners guantanamo. i'm going to step up our efforts in the united states in the indoctrination and education of our people in the military, the fbi, law enforcement, et cetera. radical islam is now the name of the enemy we fight. >> sure. in order to get and really step up the defense and those words are strong and we will see if the president actually takes your notes, general. we thank you for being with us today with them. do you believe in order to step up defense we have to get offensive to some in our language and terminology? >> absolutely elizabeth. that's just what i have said. you have got to be spot on. we have got to be offensive in our words and identify it and marshall the arab nations and tell them the arab leaders and president al-cisy from egypt. this ideology is going to destroy islam if you all don't defeat it. >> so i love what president harper is saying over in canada. he comes out and i will give you an idea. yesterday, very calmly said, identified our enemy, he went on to say we may not like this and wish it would go away but it is not going to go away. the reality is, we are going to have to confront it. you have got european leaders getting together on sunday to mourn. maybe we should use it as an opportunity to get all our heads of state together in the western world and come up with a true comprehensive military strategy, not a philosophy, a strategy to put these guys out while we can. >> spot on, brian exactly what they have got to do. quit avoiding the issue. the president of the united states has got to lead the free world on this. and he has never used the word radical islam to identify the threat. >> why not? >> that's a good question elizabeth. i wish i knew that answer some of the press people ought at the ask limb mr. president, why do you call them radical extremists. what the ideology of an extremist? i don't know. do i know what the ideology of radical islam is. the koran hadith and the law against that we are fighting against those are the things that we know what their rules of engagement are. why doesn't he articulate this? >> that's a great question. you have got to figure one of the things in the back of his head is if i said there is a global war on radical islam people are going to misunderstand it and think i'm saying that the united states is anti-muslim. >> no, we are antiradical islam. >> i understand it. >> you are right, steve. but we need to offend them. they are not doing their job. we need to out them and say you are the ones that need to fix. this fight between moderate islam and radical islam. only you can solve this problem. >> we have been asking for the muslim world to stand up. i know there was some muslim officials out in southern california doing that. and i bleefnt in lebanon, the jews reporting in lebanon stood up and essentially condemned the killing and says no cartoon, no movie is worth -- is equal to what we witnessed over the last few days. does that encourage you at all? >> no. not from nasarala. that's calling the kettle back. >> does it concern you that our spedges officials have come so under fire in terms of questioning to keep our nation safe at this point? >> yes, it does elizabeth and it's a problem.o reinforce our intelligence. and we have got to let them use the right lingo, if you will, the right language. this is radical islam and identify the koran the hadith in sharia as the problems. let's talk about this. they cannot mention those words in the pentagon now or doj. that's forbidden. cair got in and got all these type references to islam removed from the vernacular and we have got to change this. know thy enemy as son sioux said. we don't. >> something has got to give regarding that. attorney general tom mcinernie, thank you for joining us on this saturday. >> thank you all. >> other stories making headlines this hour for you. and another fox news alert. while you were sleeping, blastoff. >> 3 2 1 0. and liftoff. >> space x launching rocket packed with 5,000 pounds of supplies to the international space station. the company attempting to make history by relanding the rocket on a barge 200 miles off of florida's east coast. that part wasn't a success. the capsule should reach the iss on monday. we'll keep you posted on that. also happening overnight. the tail of crashed airasia flight 8501 lifted out of the java sea. search and rescue teams used giant balloons to pull it to the surface. you see that there. now the search is on for the doomed plane's black boxes. the recorders are usually found in the tail, but experts believe that they may have separated when the plane crashed into the water there two weeks ago. our hearts go out to the families of their lost loved ones. >> now as general david petraeus headed to prison? 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>> right, because they need a mentor and someone to give them a sense of identity and guide them along in this. and one of the other teams that they institute is basically saying look, have you sinned a lot. you did not need up to hall la's standards if you want to get into paradise you have to make up for that. the question is how do you do that? how do you quantify that in the what they say the only garn teed way youing are going to get into pair dis and allah engaging in violent jihad and then your sinful past can be forgotten. >> one of the things telling me anti-semitism. the guy who took the jewish supermarket apparently told the french television that he was a soldier of of a divide. we targeted this grocery store because it was jewish. >> right. >>ing so they are ferociously anti-semitic, very similar to the nazis some of them like hamas are explicitly general -- genocidal. they believe in nazi like themes is a say the jews are streetly controlling the banks and government in order steal your money and oppress you. propaganda like you would see from the nazi regime. >> sure. so you know you are talking about there are are at risk youth who are susceptible to this message? >> okay you can say that about a lot of different things, how do we stop it? >> it's important to have these different narratives general mcinerney on talking about the importance of ideology. there has to be a debate in the muslim world about the specific versus and how they are being interpreted. instead of blanket condemnation saying we condemn terrorism or what happened in paris. they need to go after the justification and say this is how these verses are being interpreted incorrectly. intellectual debate not happening. >> do you go after radical fire brand imams in the mosque? how do you do that? >> first of all the media needs to start doing its job. because time after time i see they do a very poor vetting job. they have on an imam portrayed as moderate and condemn the islamic state. look into background they will justify hamas and say institute cherie a rebuild the caliphate. that's not the modern example you want for the youth. >> absolutely. thank you for getting up and getting out here on a saturday morning. thanks ryan can a 10 minutes before the top of the hour. while the world battles against islamic extremists instead of keeping terrorists locked up at gitmo, the president, you know, releasing them. that's a problem. where is the intel going to come from? 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(sigh) if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. ok... well, as we learn more about these radicals you see on screen behind the terror attacks in france does the united states policy of releasing guantanamo bay detainees put us at a higher risk of a similar attack at home? >> joining us right now is the former deputy assistant defense for affairs, stenson. the pace at which we are releasing these detainees is staggering, 6 or 7 a day. friday released on a sunday. the president is hell bent on getting these guys out. is he risking our own security in doing so? >> there is no -- there has been no -- worse transfer since the beginning. the bush administration where i worked we released over 500 of these detainees, the obama administration has the camp down now to 126 detain heees from 18 countries. and so you see where some of these democrats gone risk free transfer. some are continuing to ask why it's continuing to happen. >> since 9/11 it's been enhanced interrogation, interrogation process and really intel that's kept us safe here in the united states. that's something the americans. they can't call a spade a stayed. terms of getting information, t. seems as though there is a big block, ised that the case? >> look elizabeth and brian, you have to use all lawful tools at your disposal from economic to diplomatic to, yes, connecticut, meaning war fighters detain the enemy and interrogating them lawfully to win this long struggle. this administration has preferred droning people over detaining and interrogating them that is a strategic asset that we have lost because we have gained a lot from lawful interrogations of detainees. >> in light of what is happening over in france and the rise of isis would you recommend that we slow down or stop releasing these guys. >> over half of the 12' detainees are yemeny. remember after the attempt the christmas day bombing there was a strategic pause of transfer detainees back to yemen almost three years that ban has been lifted. i wouldn't be surprised if now congress and the senate says look, you need to slow this down and, remember the 30 days in the requirement is still in place. the congress can stand up and say look we have these notice provisions, you have given us notification that you are going to release some of these guys hold on here. we will see how the politics works through this now that this attack has happened in paris. >> they have to stiffen their spine. no two ways about it yemen has a way to out. they tunnel out. thank you so much. >> a fox news alert. a massive manhunt underway believe it or not in france at this hour. as police try to track down a terrorist on the loose. this woman the wife of the grocery store killer on the run are. we are going live on the ground in paris with theale details. to get the career you'll love. find more real possibilities at aarp.org/possibilities. 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>> she is holding a cross bow aimed at you. >> then, is france fueling the rise of radicalism themselves no go zones in muslim neighborhoods. did you know folks there wear winner he bin laden t-shirts and make their own rules and laws? you know about it now. friends are better with friends and steve's forehead. ♪ >> yeah, hard to get the hang of this saturday show. >> i was just looking at the twitter, people said they started to get dressed real fast and they saw us too long the show they thought it was a friday or a monday. there is a loft news going on regarding the war on terror. we are here on this saturday we're going to get right to this fox news alert. >> remember, it's prime time over in france. the news now three terrorists are dead. one still on the run. right now you we have heavily armed police going from train to train in france as they search for the armed and dangerous jihadi wife and one of those french has tages are one of the french hostage takers. >> that's right. the intense search coming as those dueling hostage situations came to that end. >> 2 minutes after 1:00 in the afternoon in paris france. and this is where greg palkot joins us. you have got a lot of developments, greg where would you like to start? >> a lot of developments steve, brian elizabeth hi. i will start with the headline of the leading newspaper here la figaro. it says the death of the killers. amassed head for the first time i have ever seen it in black. honoring those dead, not necessarily the killers but those dead by the killers. that's right. this whole city, country is on edge today. because this story is not over as you just mentioned. there is a manhunt, a frantic manhunt going on according to the media here for the partner the common law wife of one of the dead suspects. her name is hayat boumediene. she is 26 years old. born of algerian parents. it is thought she is accomplice to two different acts. yesterday's hostage taking at that coacher supermarket and thursday's killing of a french police woman. she is the partner of ahmedy couibaly. one of the suspects killed in that bloody rash of police assaults. this as we look very at what happened yesterday. and the french authorities figure out where to go from here. let's go through some of the new details, guys. that we are getting they ever believed responsible for the shooting death of 12. a paramilitary style manhunt ended up at this business. arms arsenal along with these two individuals before they declared allegiance to al qaeda and then after they said they wanted to die as martyrs, they did exactly that. they came out shooting. both killed. luckily the one hostage that they held was allowed to go free. unharmed. the second on the eastern side of paris. that involved again coulibaly also implicated on the killing thursday of a french police woman. few more dee dee tails about that fascinating and horrible two. two people killed in that incident when he burst in firing away with his war style combat style ak 47 automatic rifle. it turns out that five of the hostages were saved when they huddled inside a refridge radar. again, today paris and france on high alert. a lot of soldiers around tomorrow a massive rally. remembering those lost looking forward to the future guys back to you. >> greg palkot not far from the eiffel tower in paris. thank you very much. >> i read a story about a man whose wife said honey go by bread and chicken in the grocery store. he was in the kosher supermarket when mr. coulibaly stormed in. he and his son' hid in the freezer for a while. his freezer didn't have a lock on it somebody went downstairs, got him upstairs. here is the story i had not heard yet. at one point the terrorist puts a spare gun down on the counter. and one of the people in the supermarket, being held hostage grabbed it and tried to kill him. there were no bullets in it. the bad guy shot him right there dead. the little boy exploded in tears, obviously. the story about that guy gets even crazier because now his girlfriend is being sought. remember, she is a suspect in the cold blooded murder of that cop on the streets of paris on thursday. we don't know where she is. and there she is right there hyatt boumeddiene. >> when you see picture of the cross bow on her knees preparing to shoot there. you have got to ask, who is she? this is said to be over in terms of the hostage-taking but far from over when it comes -- she is armed dangerous and on the run. when she was intear interrogated by the police in 102010 she was calm and cool and she said this: in terms of her motivation you see it right there laid out by her lipps interrogated by police in 2010. she was committed to her husband or boyfriend with an intense relationship. >> i believe husband. they had some type of ceremony. she waited four years while he searched in prison. when he got out, pictures of her wearing bikinis acting like seemingly just a couple and next thing you know wearing a burqa which is illegal in the france i guess not in the no go zone. radicalized breen home in 2009 she said what she did say and then she becomes part of this movement. there is about 500 different calls between her the wife of this terrorist and the friend of -- and one of the brothers and his girlfriend. so they have had communication back and forth. there is relationship there in the big picture. you want her. you got to capture this her, that's great. go into the neighborhoods section them off and find out who the terrorists are in there these french coshocton, if they're still sitting on the outlines of the no-go zone. they are not doing justice for the french people. meanwhile. sheikh who was radicalized. after 9/11 he sided with the terrorists he broke from that cell and became informant and double agent for the canadian law enforcement. he joined us to talk about the mind set and what's going on inside the terrorist cell. they know a world of pain is coming their way. i think more importantly they are emboldened by it. media gives terrorism a longevity it might not otherwise enjoy. since the 1970s when people were hijacking planes news cameras were waiting for them on the tarmac they know it's not about the amount of people killed. it's about the amount of people watching. >> the key is the number of eyeballs that were trained on the story. in that respect are, this was a jackpot for the bad guys. the whole world was watching. and if you were watching bfm television in france yesterday. you heard one of the guys from inside the printing warehouse cherif kouachi. he talked to the french television station during the standoff. he made it very clear his operation financed by al qaeda and in particular the droned preacher, an warp al awlaki. we are going to play what he said and you will see the simultaneous translation in the lower third of your screen. he said he was al qaeda. the guy at the grocery store told people when he called the same television station, he said he was working with isis. >> coulibaly right? >> brother kouachi traveled yemen in 2011 and trained and fought alongside al qaeda there. before that phone call right after the paris massacre in that newspaper facility, there were tweets that were sent out from a known al qaeda twitter account. they show images ever the massacre photos of the cleric al awlaki. really linking again, these killings to al qaeda. >> yeah. here is the other thing. you know, i believe that there is a point that jackpot as you said steve for terrorists publicity. the other thing it does for normal clear thinking people who thought terror was not going to hit them and hits other people and perhaps they want to blame us for it. the people of france no longer need motivation to it understand how grave the threat is the world is walking around seeing the savagery of the images that we have been seeing over the last three days. this could be as general mcinerney mentioned the tipping point where the western world rallies together with a strategy to take these people out. it's a mess two. working with can al qaeda who are they taking orders from are they radicalizing themselves? don't know. that's the state right now. at least frank wuco a guy for a number of years was deputy director of intel for operations at special command told us just about an hour ago. listen to this. >> this whole scenario is playing out elizabeth exactly the way that al qaeda planned it from the mid to late 90's. that is very decentralized organization organization that has bloomed into a global cellular jihad without a strong central authority now we have got the this problem everywhere and it doesn't matter. can you cut the head off the snake, can you take off different elements and it keeps blooming. but it's going to take some very heavy action at the forward end of this problem to make a difference. >> absolutely. you know, there have been some real lucky breaks in the case, and that's why it was able to culminate in about 50 hours. for instance, one of the kouachi brothers left his passport in the car after the hit on the newspaper. >> and a flag. >> and a flag. we found that yesterday. mr. coulibaly called a radio station but apparently he didn't hang up properly and the cops were able to listen. the cops were in the jewish deli were able to tap into the closed circuit television so they knew exactly where he was. and the final thing and we are going to talk about this a little later on. at the printing where house house -- warehouse in the building at the time it was taken hostage, he hid in a cardboard box. and then texted first his father then told the police what was going on inside those are some of the lucky breaks in the case. we will be talking about those throughout the morning. >> steve, i'm glad you mentioned that. we hear how social media has been aiding terror. >> correct. >> the good that can come out of social media and technology, you just saw it right there when you hear about that man in that cardboard box texting the movements of the attackers there, i just think that's remarkable. >> the girlfriend of the editor of that magazine, charles hebdo newspaper said that the -- the editor always knew was going to die. that's why he did not have children. he knew he would pay for his life what he did but he didz standing up not kneeling down. >> should have had the chance to live there. >> all right. on this saturday morning live from new york city, and francis. just call it jihadi olympics. isis and al qaeda battling it out ocompeting with each other. who is the baddest one? 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supporters, they are looking for money. isis clearly because it has a state it stole a billion dollars from the banks in mosul when it seized that city. clearly has the upper hand on this. but all of these people and their access to people and locations where they can train come beating for. this i look at isis as the dominant force right now. the other thing we have to not forget about the news are a front. it still exists in the space of syria. they are maybe auto different groups, small groups, some of them we have never even heard of. the average person doesn't know. you need a score card to keep track. these groups may have not been targeted by the west yet. we have never had a successful penetration of them. so therefore, we are vulnerable from attack from these smaller groups. we may wake up one day this year and next year and there may some catastrophic attack by a group we have never heard. >> that's what we are witnessing. said 18 months ago what about isis? you would have said what am i talking about? maybe not you but average intel officials. gary, looking at the big picture, we are so focused on this woman and we want to get her. she is not bin laden. the bigger story is where did she come from? who sells working with them. get into the neighborhoods and find out what's going on there. the french want close this chapter and catch this woman who was probably in a support role and of course they want that because they want to demonstrate their capacity to control their country. she is probably hiding in one of the no-go zones. and your point earlier is they are not in places like france but 55 of them in sweden. they are in holland. >> it's just shocking that the europeans have failed to control their own territory and they are now going -- they are paying for it now and pay for it in the future you also mentioned something else significant, al qaeda is specific in who they want. more of a screening. isis will take everybody and just train you. that's why you have this revolving door of people going in and out there. correct? >> yes. >> the big thing here, when you look at the big swath of this across the world, brian, we have the collapse of secular regimes across the middle east. and with the arab spring which turned out to be the jihadi spring we may be 1,250,000 jihadists in five different countries being organized for attacks on the west. i mean, this is ten to the third power worse than we were looking at back in 2001. this is a very dangerous world. we have got to be organized. we need a national effort. there is no strategy from this administration. they can't even say the words terrorist and islam in the same sentence. >> work on paying for people's junior college education. that's what the president's focus was on yesterday. gary, thanks so much. we will continue to follow. this and you will continue to work your sources. meanwhile, coming up straight ahead. you just heard gary talk about those no-go zones in western 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morning. >> you can explain the no-go zone to everyone out there all our viewers that are waking up? >> right. there are 741 no-go zones throughout france. they are located in the ghettos th around the major cities called -- excuse my french. they are basically neighborhoods where muslims have -- french muslims have coalesced because they can't find housing or economic opportunities within the major french cities. actually about 40% of france's 5 million muslims live outside of paris in the ghettos. >> so you spent some time there. what did you see? >> well, it was pretty scary. i have been to afghanistan rickenbacker and cashmere india. at times it felt like that. in the no-go zones. you see young men wearing usama bin laden t-shirts in a huge can a shop. i saw a speech by abu al zarqawi leading insurgency against american troops in iraq at the time. it seemed very mainstream and very accepted. this is the efforts of islamists like the muslim brotherhood or al qaeda to recruit off the streets of the no-go zones. not something that's hidden in the shad shadows. is very open and accepted and people just go along and let this be the status quo. >> well, to your point there, i mean, maybe you won't find this surprising, but a new poll it showed that 16% of french people had a favorable view of isis. and among those aged 18 to 24, 27% had a favorable view of isis. what's your reaction to that? >> well, it's shocking. and it's scary that 16% of the french population would support a group who has made their brand with beheading u.s. journalists massacres and rape. but i think those numbers reflect the fact that about 10 to 12% of france's population are muslim, and that group is very ostracized from mainstream french society. among european french, who have graduated from college, unemployment rate is 5%. among college graduates who are north african dissent the unemployment rate is 27%. go ahead. >> you know so when you hear about this marginalization and thinking yesterday and this week the horrific events with the terror takeover due to a hostage situation, in your mind with your great experience both in military and writing and travel and intel, what needs to be done to fix this? >> there is no easy solution. i think the unfortunate answer is it is going to take a top to bottom shakedown of french society and culture it. the french are very protective of their cultural hartd damage and there is a reluctance for them to integrate the 5 million muslims in the the mainstream society. they are going to have to do it. good point i try to reiterate is that the divisions in france between the muslims and european french don't cause the violence but they do leave the muslims very susceptible to be recruited into islamist groups. >> but you quickly before we go, would you go as far as saying no-go zones should be a no? >> they should definitely not allow those to exist. it's -- if we didn't allow afghanistan to exist as a no-go zone of islamist 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the guy who took the jewish del. >> i that's right, heavily armed officers stepping up security at train stations as a the entire nation remains on edge. the massive manhunt coming after her husband was killed by french special forces during a daring raid on a grocery store where he held nearly 20 people hostage there. four of them were murdered in cold blood before the raid. two are also suspected of shooting a french police woman dead. >> exactly. >> the terror ties coming together as we learned they were connected to the kouachi brothers, the pair behind the deadly charlie hebdo attacks on wednesday and hostage situation north of france. the brothers going down in a hail of bullets ending the tense situation. so, as the manhunt continues to find the female involved in this, what are authorities looking for and how long could it be be before they actually find her? >> joining us right now is former navy seal and member of the joint terrorism task force jonathan gill guilliams. as we understand this woman who was with this guy for a number of years he radicalized her. she apparently made 500 phone calls with the kouachi brothers, one of their wives. obviously they are all in this together. how important is she that they track her down promptly? >> i think it's very important because we have to -- a lot of people look because she is a female. she used to be in a bikini in a lot of these pictures that they just assume she is not as dangerous. but any human being that's bent on killing is a deadly creature. and they need to go after her and find her. and either stop her just like they did, you know, a good job of eliminating the threat yesterday, but they can also get her interrogator and find out what other links that they may have. it wasn't just these four individuals. >> it's bigger than that. >> reports that she trained jihadi camp. >> exactly. >> in france. >> what she may be capable of could be great. on top of that she is a suspect in the murder of that police woman there. based on the photos that you see of her. >> right. >> how she is holding that cross bow weaponry, any suspect there? >> cross bow? who use as cross bow anymore? what criminals do you know that's used a cross bow. that is a tactic that we don't really see in the united states. but it's an excellent tactic because there is no report to it it you don't hear it when you shoot it. if you are going to be sneaking up on somebody and shooting them cross bow is something pretty good to use. >> let's talk about the terror threat in paris. saw what happened over the last couple days these people now are going to have a major event on sunday to bring everybody together and give a collective sigh of we are bigger and better than. this right now, how much danger are the people of paris in and what about those no-go zones that we have been discussing all morning? how long are we going to let them stay in place? >> how about they need to start looking at boston for the example of what not to do. i love boston but i think that the authorities, when it came to the end of that event, or the boston bombing they botched that completely. you don't just say we got the second guy. everybody go out in the streets and party. paris should not be assembling anyone right now. they want to celebrate, do it online virtually. and until they get her until they get to the bottom of this crew and how extensive this is. >> sure. >> they need to throttle back on their celebration. >> all right. so there are the images of the four people in this particular cell that we know of. the woman second from the right is the one still at large. you are an expert as a were toker navy seal at getting into buildings to get at bad guys. we were looking earlier during the commercial at how the police entered that particular jewish supermarket. and your observations were, they didn't do a very good job. >> honestly i know it's -- you don't want to necessarily second guess the people -- >> -- but you're going to. >> that was the worst entry i have ever seen. this is not a good angle of it a lot of different videos. you will see it throughout the day. basically they make an entry through a glass window or glass doors shooting through the glass which, you know, deflects, could deflect your rounds. >> after a big metal door went expblup after a metal door went up and one door. they are lucky first off that guy didn't get killed. the actual assaulter. and then the other thing is they are shooting around each other. can you see hostages on the ground. we still haven't been told who killed those four hostages. the thing is, when you go into these situations and all of law enforcement should realize this especially if you are in charge of picking people and sending them in, it's violence of action. when you go in there, you look straightforward and you concentrate on your corner and clearing your area. you do not hold back and shoot around each other because, eventually what's going to happen if that guy is more committed than you are going to get killed. >> they were walking in with bullet proof shields but they were shooting through the glass. >> they didn't go. in that's the point. if you have a bullet proof shield it's there for a reason. we found through years and years of dedicated studies and guys going in through a door, when you go through aggressively and go through as a team you are more likely to live and save those hostages. >> you mentioned the four people who died in the attack. we believe that they were killed by the guy before the cops showed up. it does not look like it was friendly fire. you do have a number of lucky breaks in the case. i mean they were -- the cops were apparently watching on closed circuit television. the guy left his phone. he didn't hang up when he was talking to the television station and it's a printing plant. you had a guy in a box texting the cops telling where the bad guys were. >> we live in a technologically advanced world and good for us we have bad guys calling back people in the united states looking for the people they just sold drugs to. that kind of thing really enhances the ability for the police to do their job. we should remember that. if you are ever in a situation you can reach out and not only get in touch with them and say i'm here, i'm here. you might be able to give information that literally saves. >> everybody they started talking evidently like this is it. they started hearing coulibaly start talking like is he going to kill himself or this is going to be over i'm going to kill the hostages. that was their go sign they claim. >> they say it's not over until they find this woman. >> i don't think it's over. i'm not saying she is the the key to it. what i am saying until she start celebrating they still have somebody on the run. they need to find out there is more people. if they can't go in the neighborhoods because of sharia law they cannot say that there is not a bigger group here. >> ping up the phone and you will find out who they are talking to. all those people need to be questioned. >> and scrubbed the data bases. obviously there is a breakdown in the way they do data bases and pick people out if these guys have been looked at for about 10 years there has been a breakdown in the way that they do that. >> your message is clear. not over yet. jonathan guilliams. thank you very much. >> now to some other stories making headlines for you this morning. he urge dollars others to kill in the name of allah, now he will spending the rest of his life in prison. a new york judge issuing that sentence to the hook handed hate preacher al asry. four hostages dead there as well as plotting to set up a jihadist training camp in oregon. he maintains his innocence. president obama wants to send americans to community college for free? and now we how much it's going to cost you the american taxpayer. the price tag of the proposed plan is $60 billion over the next 10 years. students would get educated for free for two years as long as they keep a 2.5 gpa. states would be responsible for $20 billion of the cost. the president plans to push this during his state of the union address later this month. what grade would you give that? well, a colorful collision on a michigan highway. brian, you almost collided with me. >> i apologize. >> that's okay. getting serious now, a truck full of fireworks explodes during a massive pileup. watch this. almost unbelievable to see that happening. the fireworks going up in flames after the truck crashes on an icy interstate there the pileup involved about 200 vehicles. at least one person was killed. dozens more were hurt there. wow. the third time might be a charm though for mitt romney the former 2012 presidential candidate telling a group of g.o.p. donors he is considering another run at the white house. romney had previously said he had no intention of running again now says the unrest overseas and our nation's economic issues are making him reconsider. and those are your headlines. >> right about a lot of stuff as it turns out. >> you would think being so close to the bushes when jeb got in he would stay out. just the opposite yesterday. it's incredible. >> just getting interesting. >> you have got to build a bigger stage for those debates. meanwhile, coming up straight ahead. while the world mourns the loss terror attacks, some already criticizing the victims for drawing the cartoons. is that fair? editorial cartoonist who is not afraid to defend his right to free speech joins us next. does a freshly printed presentation fill you with optimism? then you might be gearcentric. right now, all printers are on sale. plus great deals on hp ink and toner. office depot & officemax. gear up for great. when the flu hits, it's a really big deal. the aches. the chills. the fever. an even bigger deal? everything you miss out on... family pizza night. the big game. or date night. why lose out to the flu 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actually attacking the journalist who died. the financial times newspaper posting an op. ed slamming them for, quote: just being stupid. and it's not the first time. when terrorists fire bombed the paper in 2011, a "time" magazine op. ed stated in this country, not only are charlie hebdo islamophobic antics futile and childish but openly begging for the very violent responses from extremists. really? shouldn't a free press be allowed to publish whatever they want without being killed by islamist extremists? shouldn't they? joining us now is editorial cartoonist known for his defense of free speech. michael joins us from irvine valley. >> steve it's great to be on with you. >> at the very core of what has happened is these inler rant islamic terrorists attack people for drawing cartoons. >> yes. it's terrible. these evil actions ought to be condemned. but also the evil needs to be condemned. this wasn't just attack on cartoonist. this was attack on freedom and liberty. as i said before attack on freedom-loving people everywhere. >> you know what they're trying to do michael. it's intimidation. they want people if they are going to be critical of islam, they are contorted version of islam, radical islam. they want people to think twice. maybe i better not be critical or they might come after me. >> well that's exactly right. freedom of speech is a universal right. it it's a universal human right. the right to freedom of expression sustains and preserves our liberty. you know france has got a rich history of satire with it's tir they should not be intimidated by these evil acts. these cowards that subvert religion to promote their political cause. >> michael would have you ever created a cartoon like the one that charlie hebdo ran that caused the outcry from the islamic radicals? >> you know, probably not. you know, when i put together editorial cartoons, it's a journalist act. one of the things you have to really contemplate the content, the message you are getting through is reaching the public. because that's what we want to do. we want to influence the political discussion. you don't draw controversial cartoons just for the sake of controversy just like you don't draw humorous cartoons for the sake of humor. you are trying to make a point. you are trying to sell issue. if the controversy overshadows the point that you are making then you don't really do your job. it's journalistic endeavor. >> sure. >> however, the content of these cartoons is really immaterial. it's about the freedom of expression. the right to do it when you think about current administration president. try to sell us on the fact that the world is safer. that the war on terror is over. now, if you like your security, you can keep it obviously this pre-9/11 mentality is untrue. imagine a world where you didn't have the freedom or the freedom of the press. >> absolutely. michael, we love the cliche that the pen is mightier than the sword pen needs protection too. >> absolutely. editorial cartoons, satire, checked to the erosion of our liberties and first line of defense against the unrestrained power of government or those people who wanted to limit our freedom or owould attack our freedom. this free exchange of ideas is necessary to advance enlightenment whether you agree with the speech or not, it's important to have that dialogue. political cartooning has been a long history of pushing forward issues and points that are very, very important. >> absolutely. >> look at what thomas mass did taking down the corruption in new york these things are essential i think, for civilization. >> absolutely. michael ramirez, base the out in california gets up really early to be with us on "fox & friends." sir, thank you very much for joining us on this saturday. >> thanks for having me on. >> you bet. coming up on this saturday three terrorists dead one terrorist on the run. up next, we speak to a marine corps vet who has a message for those terrorists. any more out there. you will want to hear it straight ahead. the world on edge after days of a terror and siege. how can d. we get here? are the terrorists more emboldened than ever before. with us is nic powers who has a message for those terrorists. he joins us this morning. thank you for your service first and for being with us early this morning we appreciate that, rick. >> you have seen the enemy. when you heard what happened this week, specifically yesterday when the hostage takeover in paris, and too many losing their lives there to terror. what was your reaction? >> it's the same reaction i had in august. when i wrote the letter to isis. it's pure frustration. you know, i think france definitely went about it the right way. they quickly found who it was and they cornered them and they crashed the party and unfortunately there was loss of life. they limited it. it could have been a lot worse. and it just makes me think of the past 14 years that we spent fighting terrorist groups and how the rules and regulations and political correctness especially has caused us to be tied up. our hands are tied behind our backs and we are fighting an organization that has no regards to human life. and they will do -- >> -- right. >> whatever it takes to get their message across. >> here is the thing. we are better than that, nic. they go and assassinate people on the question. we can't hardly question people. what do you say to people who question this? >> okay. well, first off, war is never going to be pretty. anybody who tries to make it pretty is a complete moron. you have to get dirty. you have to exterminate these -- this scum that is plaguing the entire planet. if these guys continue to keep this up, i mean france has been a huge proponent for the muslim community. they have stepped aside and let us do our thing and here they are attacking france. to me that just screams complete. >> appeasement gets you nowhere. >> what is your message nick right now. when we hear alert is high right now across the globe. what's your message to those who seek terror? >> keep it up if you really want to meet your prophet muhammad, go for it. there is plenty of us out there that are willing to make that meeting available to you. >> and we're seeing it now. for three years we have seen to have lost track of these guys. we knew they were terrorists. when they reared their ugly heads they had ak 47s in their hands. thanks for your service. you fought in the anbar province you know what terror looks like because it was right in front of you. thank you very much. >> as fierce as a the terrorists claim to be there is someone more fierce waiting for them. that's someone in our military. >> coming up straight ahead. breaking right now. the hunt is on for this woman. police in france trying to track the female terrorist on the loose. we're live with the latest. music: melodic, calm music. hi this is conor. sorry i missed you. i'm either away from my desk or on another call... ... 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massive manhunt is underway for her. the wife of the grocery store killer. brand new chilling images of that woman and disturbing what police knew about her and her ties to terror years ago as the u.s. issues new terror bulletins how can we make sure the kind of thing we have seen in france does not make it to our shores. simple just call it what it is. radical islam. we will talk to him again because mornings on this saturday are still better with friends. ♪ ♪ yep it's saturday and we are working. you saw the shootouts yesterday in paris. and also in the paris countryside and in the last five minutes there has been a development. remember one of the suspects, the third man, the 18-year-old brother-in-law of the kouachi pictured screen left right there. well, the 18-year-old has just been released. charges. keep in mind. he turned himself in after he was named a suspect but teachers and classmates say hey, he was in class. he was not involved. so he has been released. no charges for the 18-year-old brother-in-law. >> that's right. he has assumed school as his allies. >> early on teachers and students said yeah he was right there. >> a lot happening this morning. we will get right to that fox news alert for you. happening right now, a massive manhunt for the most wanted woman in france. >> the intense search coming after dueling hostage situations came to explosive end. >> you saw them live on the channel. greg palkot joins us live from paris france not far from the eiffel tower. for folks waking up on this saturday morning what's new? >> steve brian, elizabeth we will be checking in with the police and looking into that developing news that that one individual was released to see whether they have got a manhunt now for yet another person. i showed you a newspaper front page last time. let me show you a magazine front page this time. this is the equivalent of "time" magazine here. and you see january 7th 2015, that's talking about charlie hebdo newspaper shooting. and it has the feel here and it's been noted here that it has -- it is the equivalent of 9/11 for france. obviously the numbers completely different. but the emotional impact on the people here quite similar. now, to the events of today. first of all the manhunt that we know is on and that is on for the partner, the common law wife of one of the killed suspects. hayat boumeddiene. she is 26-year-old. born of algerian parents. believe she was accomplice of the shooting of the french woman on thursday and hostage taking and killing of that jewish supermarket on friday. this as high alert here. again, you noted we were right next -- we are right next to the eiffel tower. we have been seeing a lot of soldiers out on the street here and lovely peaceful paris. normally peaceful. interior minister said today he is on and staff is on vigilance. more troops into this city itself to guard against any future attacks. a quick round up of new details we are hearing about both massive and dramatic shootouts, incidents yesterday. first that hostage taking at the print business about five miles northeast of here in paris. that involved the two main suspects in that wednesday shooting at said and cherif kouachi. they declared their allegiance to al qaeda. they said that they were going to die as martyrs and in fact they did. they came out, wasn't the police. the latest accounts are they came out shooting first and the police killed them. and that second incident which happened at the kosher supermarket, that involved the husband the partner of that woman we were talking about. his name is ahmedy coulibaly. turns out four people killed shot by him when he came into the place. turns out that at least five of the hostages saved their lives because they huddled inside a refrigeration unit for the entire time. the hours long hostage siege. very cold but very much alive super news of course. linkages all belong to same islamist cell. that's causing a lot of people here to look well other people that might be out there. homegrown, trained outside but homegrown and presenting a threat here to the population. one final note guys, tomorrow there is talk that there might be as many as a million people turning out for a rally. a vigil a memorial a protest, what have you in honor of those who have been slain this past week. that's 17 people. including all the various incidents. 17 people have died. and looking ahead to the future of this country there is a lot of people here quite worried about what might happen next. back to you. >> right. not just going to be for the french. it's going to be european leaders going to be there. angela merkel expected to be there. cammeron will be there the italian president is going to be there. >> that's right. >> going to be a great show because greg thanks so much. because all of europe has gotten together to confront. this this wasn't just a bad three days for france. this was a wakeup call for all of europe. we got our wakeup call. i don't think the french were really paying attention especially as law enforcement under scrutiny at this hour according to the "the washington post" today. they lost track of these guys for three years. yet, they knew they were terrorists prior to that. there was just no follow-up. >> they dropped them off the list. they knew about it but they have had 1,000 foreign people who have french passports who went over to different places to do fighting with people. they just took them off the list the woman they're looking for right now trained in a camp in france. there she is right there. she is on the, you know they are trying to figure out where she is because she is armed and dangerous and they suspect her in the murder of that police officer on the street. >> that's right. >> 2 of-year-old hayat boumeddiene is considered to be armed and dangerous. you see a photo with cross bow as part of that training jihadist camp. also at that camp was -- plotted to bomb the embassy in paris when interrogated in 2010 they said she cass calm and cool and said this quote: now, that is the question she asked herself, the motivation behind, perhaps her love of the man who killed four holding them hostage there in that jewish deli yesterday. holding them hostage for far too long as you see men and children and women escaping thankfully. now just insight into her mind there it had been questioned she was in that deli with him managed to escape. that is still unknown. >> when we were on the air we thought they were both together. they were not both together. then we figured okay she got out. now it looks like she was part of the thursday shooting of the female officer only on the job for a couple weeks. now out and about. those in the neighborhood say we have never seen her without a vale. it would be interesting because you are not supposed to be wearing a vale in france. >> algerian background make her sound more french. >> her boyfriend says he targeted that particular jewish supermarket because it was jewish. clearly an anti-semite -- the observation of somebody earlier. >> by the way that's rampant throughout france. 7,000 have left in the last year. >> she is at large, armed and dangerous. >> yeah, meanwhile. you know, we have telling you about how the police are stopping everybody getting under the euro star of the tunnel train from paris to london because they think she might be on the run to another country. at the same time they think she might be in one of these so-called no-go zones where essentially it's like being in the middle east. look at the no-go zones. peterson has been to these no-go zones and he describes what it is like. it's not like paris. it's just like back home for them. >> these no-go zones you see young men wearing usama bin laden t-shirts in a huka shop. i saw a speech by abu musab al zarqawi leading insurgency against american troops in iraq at the time. it seemed very mainstream and very accepted. this is the efforts of islamists like the muslim brotherhood or al qaeda to recruit off the streets of the no-go zones is not something that's hidden in the shadows. it's actually very open and is accepted. >> combat veteran iraq in afghanistan has had a wealth of travel in those areas as he described. he also said that it is so mainstream there. the radicalization that he has had friends actually approached to join and join in jihad. >> nobody gets jobs. they don't want to be french. they want to live in europe and take over the country. basically unemployment is high. ambition is gone. the family structure is dissipating. so it's horrendous place to live. >> i actually asked him, do you think the no go zone should be a no? >> he said right now, given everything that's going to on. marginalization of muslims there is adding to this and it should be a no. >> because france is a socialist country, a lot of these people simply live on the state dole. they get a check from the state. meanwhile, we do know a little more about what is going on inside at the time of these, you know, the attacks yesterday. and, in fact, cherif kouachi, when he was inside that particular printing warehouse, he called french tv station and he said that he had received financing from al qaeda, in particular anwar al-awlaki who was droned. here he is speaking in french, but we have translation on the screen. >> pleasure >> he says is he working with al qaeda, the guy at the grocery store said he is working with isis. >> traveled to yes, yemen in 2011 and trained and fought alongside al qaeda there. whandz with our relationship with al qaeda. al qaeda is dead? oh, no, look at. this. >> the strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us while supporting partners on the front lines is one that we have successfully pursued in yemen and somalia for years and it is consistent with the approach i outlined earlier this year. to use force against anyone who threatens america's core interests but to mobilize partners wherever possible to it address broader challenges to international order. >> yemen is not a partner unless you consider some of the gitmo terrorists that were giving back to yemen future partners. >> i sense that the president is not going to it look to that part of his speech in the state of the union in the next couple of weeks. that's embarrassing statement. ed henry, he got away with it. berntsen was asked. >> we have collapse of regimes across the middle east, and with the arab spring which turned out to be the jihadi spring we maybe have 250,000 jihadists in five different countries being organized for attacks on the west. i mean, this is ten to the third power worse than we were looking at back in 2001. this is a very dangerous world we have got to be organized. we need a national effort there is no strategy from this administration. they can't even say the words terrorist and islam in the same sentence. >> does anyone even know what's going on with the battle against isis? do we even hear anything about our coalition? we heard about the first day and we heard about a few bombings. and since cubany was in trouble we don't hear anything. >> denial? >> we have heard from these guys who died yesterday, one said they were working with isis, the other said we were working with al qaeda. we know that one of the brothers said, got training in yemen. the national prosecutor in france just came out in the last hour or so and he identified where the guns that they have used came from. guess where the guns came from? the guns came from the balkans. okay. that's a new dot to connect. >> puzzle on that. >> absolutely. 15 minutes past the top of the hour here. >> as the u.s. issues new terror bulletins how can we make sure that the same kind of thing we have seen in france doesn't happen here. retired air force general joins us call it what it is radical islam. right when you feel a cold sore, abreva can heal it in as few as two and a half days when used at the first 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pocket around the world. what's effective strategy to take these people out? >> let's do what we did when the cold war started? first of all, we need a leader like churchill that went into world war ii and then we need a leader that won it like ronald reagan, who will define what the threat is. and marshall all of the assets of the west against radical islam to include the arab and muslim states. if we do not get this kind of leadership and identify it clearly as radical islam as i have said before, it is a global war against radical islam and muslims must defeat this from the interior. they know where they are. >> what do you mean? we have to give them money? we have to provide the intelligence? what do we have to do? >> we have to work as a team. we are loaded with money. there is plenty of money in the middle east so it's not a money issue. it is a leadership issue. and calling them and saying you must be accountable. >> sure. the success of the cold war hinged greatly on the fact that that coalition was in place. are you saying that without muslims, being on board here, to combat jihad, across the globe, that this war will be lost by us and then additionally general i'm so thankful you are here, where do we go from here? we are not even calling it what it is. you say we have got to be offensive in order to step up the defense. >> i am saying exactly that if the muslims are not part of the coalition the moderate muslims and people like president al sissy. king abdul of jordan. king abdul of saudi arabia we need all these leaders the turkish leaders who are going the wrong direction, they need to be part of this coalition like nato and it's got to be a global coalition against radical islam. call it what it is and make them, because they know where they are. in the mosque in the united states they know where the bad guys are, the radical islamists are are. they can identify them. we cannot do it by ourselves. and so that requires leadership. >> does it require going into those mosques with intensified surveillance? >> absolutely. absolutely, elizabeth. that's got to be part of it we have got to have our eyes and ears. we should not release any more people out of guantanamo. we need to lay down markers that we understand the threat. we are not doing that now. so, when the president has his state of the union address, if is he talking about the economy or something else but not the global war against radical islam we know we have got a problem. >> i think we know we have had a problem fighting radical islam. i don't think we have to wait until the 20th of january. general mcinerney, thank you so much. >> thank you general. >> thank you brian and elizabeth. >> breaking news new out of france he turned himself into police. deadly attack on the french newspaper. we are just learning that he has been released. so why did he -- why was he allowed to be let go? >> that's right. attorney general eric holder is heading to paris for terror talks. is 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did police let him go? former department of justice civil rights attorney adams joins us right now from d.c. good morning. >> good morning, steve. >> he is the 18-year-old brother-in-law of the kouachi brothers. he was named right off the bat as a suspect because he was related to these two. and he turned himself in. why would -- and, of course then there were all these school meats of his and the teacher said well he wasn't involved. he was in class at the time what do you think about this the fact that is he related they let him go. >> look, being related to somebody isn't a crime. however, if you have spent a lot of time with somebody like this. somebody who goes and kills 12 people, you keep them for a while. you ask them lots of questions. you ask to review their emails. you do a whole lot of things that it sounds like the french haven't done. it sounds like the french have not taken this as seriously as they should have. >> sure. and the news this morning as well, jay christian, is the fact that and we are looking at the list of terrorists, the woman right there hayat boumeddiene. she is wanted. she is on othe loose. she is the wife or the girlfriend of the now dead terrorist. these guys now have terror ties. she was interrogated by the cops a couple years ago. she sounded like she hated the country and yet they let her go this is a larger problem, steve. for example, the shooter in paris was actually sentenced for terrorist training and he got a whopping 18 months. this is the wrong way to deal with islamist radicals steve. recidivism rate among islamic radicals is off othe charts. when you catch them, you don't release them. this shows you why the gitmo model works, you put them away forever. you don't let them out because they are going to do things like they are doing in paris. >> absolutely. >> okay, so in france, this guy with the terror connection who went to the terror train training camp 18 months. >> probably a little bit more. you know what? it's not going to be a forever sentence. that's what these people need. they need a permanent home in the gray bar motel. they need to never be let out because they will ultimately do things. look at gitmo steve. i keep going back to that people let out of gitmo because of obama and holder's policies have been now in the middle east engaging in more terror activity. gitmo works. you keep people that are dangerous locked up to save american lives. >> meanwhile, you just mentioned eric holder, the guy who is the attorney general right now. he is headed to france for meetings tomorrow. why would they be sending him? >> is he probably go lecture them to be more sensitive towards muslims. that's what this guy is all about. so many of the things that this administration does wrong in regards to islamic terror come out of eric holder. he wants to try islamic terrorists like tax cheats or counterfeiters and courts in new york city. he wants to close down gitmo. he wants to give battlefield captures their miranda rights. this is exactly the wrong guy leading the fight against evil. holder doesn't get it he can't even say the words radical islam. if you can't identify your enemy, you will never defeat your enemy. >> you know what, jay christian, his bluff doesn't say radical islam either and we both know that is the problem. >> unfortunately we will live with philosophy, i suspect for a generation. because they have been unwilling to identify and fight the evil that is unleash leashed in this world the way that a churchill or reagan were willing to do it. they are incapable of fighting evil. they want to apiece it which is always the reaction of the far left like holder and obama where they come from. >> well, so far that approach has not worked. let's hope they wake up and smell the jihad. >> jay christian adams, former doj guy. thank you for joining us on this saturday. >> thanks, steve. >> you bet. take a look at this. it's your captain speaking. we are coming in for a rocky landing. oh boy, look at that where did that happen? plane vs. wind. you will see all the video on touchdown in a moment. then more. how did these four become radicalized? next guest was radicalized. he went undercover in homegrown terror cell. his unique perspective straight ahead on a saturday. "fox & friends." why are back with with a fox news alert. we are just learning that the third suspect in horrific charlie hebdo massacre has been released without charges. the paris public prosecutor saying the 18-year-old who was believed to be the driver was actually in school during the time of the shootings that left 12 people at that magazine dead. >> this as the most wanted woman in the world right now is alluding police despite a massive manhunt underway in france. hayt boumeddiene is considered armed and dangerous. her husband, her boyfriend whatever he was, killed by french special forces yesterday during a daring raid on this jewish supermarket where he held nearly 20 people hostage. four of them murdered in cold blood. it is said before the raid the two are also suspected of shooting a french police woman dead on the street on thursday. execution style. >> it was no coincidence that they picked a jewish deli too. and the terror ties now coming together. as we have learned they were connected to the kouachi brothers. the pair behind the deadly charlie hebdo attacks yesterday's hostage situation north of france went down in a hazel bullets ending the tense situation. it was they who went streaming out and got shot. one was already shot prior to the end. where do the suspect's road begin. one of the next suspects to have ever infiltrated in al qaeda cell and came back to talk about it? >> shaikh under cover jihadi. inspired homegrown international terrorist cell. we thank you for joining us this morning with perspective here. describe to us the power of these cells and how an individual can actually begin there and then turn it into just violent terror action killing. >> sure. first of all, radicalization is a process by which a person becomes extreme. the end result of it is that you are an extremist. you come to accept the use of violence. >> um-huh. >> when you act on the violence, you are then a violent extremist. synonymous with the word terrorist. that's just some terms and to explain the process. and the cell structure itself or once a person gets into a particular mind set a person is not going to get out of that until something shifts them out of that. >> right. >> there are many things that can bring a person into it that are personal issues. there is ideology. there are are grievances that they latch on to. a number of issues that interact with one another. >> mubin, what about you what was it? you were living your life and then something impacted you and you became radicalized. >> yeah. you know, i grew up in in the west, born and raised. i wasn't discriminated against, i wasn't bulledy or a victim of anything really. what happened was i was made to feel guilty that i wasn't muslim enough and so i thought to myself i was having identity crisis at 19 i went with a political religious group that they have no politics but i had a chance encounter with the taliban in 1995 before they took over the country i say after that meeting i was bit by the jihadi bug came back to canada and joined extremist groups and remained there after five years. >> after the september 11th attacks that changed for you. >> why? >> yeah, well, you know, something fundamentally wrong about flying planes into buildings. is what really made we reevaluate my commitment to the cause. >> how could you read the koran now and not be violent and others read the koran and gives them a motivation to be violent? i always see this as the scholar i spent two years with studying islamic studies, religion is like a hammer, can you either build a home with it or destroy a home with it. it comes down to your perspective. >> sure but at 18, i mean you keep hearing that the youth involved here, and at that moment when you are trying to form your identity, what is the secret that al qaeda has in terms of getting someone like yourself to maybe turn toward jihad perhaps or turn it the other way and get reset on a path to peace as you did? >> you know, i think the biggest thing the recruitment for them is alienation and isolation narratives. so this is one of the reasons why people say, you know, don't get involved in these narratives of blaming muslims because what's going to happen is if they feel that they are not wanted by the mainstream society where are they going to go? they are going to go who is opening them with welcome arms this is what they feed off of. >> what's your message then to someone who may be young, who may be at that point of going either way a young muslim who you see could perhaps go on that road toward extremism, towards terrorism, tow jihad? what do you say to that young man or woman? >> look at the end result of your actions. take in the case of paris these individuals claim that they avenged the prophet. at the end of the day, what was the result? most people had for gotten about the cartoons, now they are being broadcast multiple times already under siege population feels more under siege. there is global opposition to muslims in general so in the end what did you do? you just made life more miserable for muslims. >> yeah, no kidding. what about the we standard that these particular terrorists involved in the cell if you will over in france. at loos with one of them they were radicalized by a fiery imam. moderate mumples know who the radicals are, why don't they drum them out? >> the problem is that, first of all these four individuals belong to a network right back from the 2004 the deadly store hostage taker was arrested trying to take out another arrested in terrorist bombing. the vast majority of french muslims are fine if it was a problem with muslims you would be having bombings every six minutes. these preachers, there is not enough action taken against them. there is not enough action. >> do you want us to take action against these preachers? we are supposed to start? it has to come from that community. >> we have to arrest imams saying fiery phrases? >> yes, you are. it's criminal hate speech. it's inciting violence against other people. it shouldn't be legal at all it? >> is religious so it is protected. >> look, if you are going to be going with interpretation of religion that encourages assaulting other people and not living peacefully in the country that you are in. >> right. >> you don't deserve -- if you can't handle the rights, then don't enjoy the freedoms. >> where do you stand then being on surveillance of mosques, particularly after the attacks that we saw now? do you believe that if a mosque has nothing to hide they should have no problem with some extra surveillance there? >> here's the thing, even if you listen to every report coming out about mosques the individuals weren't going there regularly. they came there once a week for their daily prayers or friday prayers, weekly congregation and then they were gone. a load of these radicals they understand the mosque is not the place. they probably expect the place to be monitored. and, look, at the end of the day so many people going to the mosque it's physically impossible to monitor everyone. >> you have the egyptian president calling out imams who are preaching radical islam. does that go a long way? >> notwithstanding he is he a dictator. he does preside over police state, but his message was right. there does need to be a reevaluation of the way in which the muslim world is interpreting the scriptures, and the kind of havoc that it's causing in the rest of the world. >> mubin shaikh you are a great guest i just learned more about inside these terrorist cells than i have ever heard of anybody. thank you for coming and please come back. >> thank you for sharing. >> thank you very much. now we will get right to other headlines making news for you this morning while you were sleeping. blastoff. >> 3 2, 1 0, and liftoff space x launching rocket packed with 5000 pounds of supplies to the international space station. the company attempting to make history by relaunching a rocket off a barge 200 miles off florida's east coast. that part of landing it wasn't a success. the capsule should reach space station on monday, they say. we will keep eyes on that. house lawmakers approving the keystone pipeline bill moving one step closer to construction of the long stalled project. the vote coming just hours after nebraska's highest court threw out a lawsuit challenging the route from canada to the texas gulf coast. the senate is expected to consider the legislation next week. sponsors of it say they have the votes to pass it. but president obama is promising a veto. and talk about a rocky landing, incredible video, showing a moment a plane nearly lands sideways, check this out when winds, reaching 100 miles per hour at a british airport. there you can see the thing swaying wildly to the side. pilot thankfully managing to keep control, bringing the plane in for a safe planning. many pilots consider the yorkshire airport one of the most difficult airports to land at. wow, great skill there. >> that's some good driving. way to go. >> i will second that. meanwhile, 18 minutes before the top of the hour terror attacks like the one in paris growing and getting more difficult to detect. that is the next target? 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>> well it's quite rare for the head of mi-5 to make a public speech like this. more common in recent years, the director general of mi-a. one was to reiterate the fact that there is a growing and speeding up public threat in britain that's been at least one major terrorist attempt since every year, since 2005 london boston shoe bomb. obviously the main focus of the speech. another bit of the speech was absolutely crucial and quite rare speak unless there is something they also want to communicate the government as it were. the other thing that was important to focus on was the fact that he signaled the vital fact that the services feel they do not currently have the edge they used to have on signals intelligence. he didn't go into it as much detail as we could but since the international assange and snowden leaks from america, the ability of main listening operation as it were in the uk has been seriously hampered because snowden in particular revealed what they do how they do business, since he did that, it is said by a lot of people who are practitioners that certain terrorist groups have started to go dark. they have got ahead of us. that's the real problem because getting ahead of the terrorist on intelligence by being able to try to work at what they are going to do in advance is about the only advantage we have over them. >> douglass that is such an important point, we he have forgotten how much damage edward snowden did to the berne world as he sits by vladimir putin in russia. there is something else that i think is important. is he also saying look, i need your help essentially. is he saying, you know, see something, say something is something we say here, is he also in a way saying you have got to start protecting yourself a little bit people of britain. as we watch what just happened in france thing about this is, speaking frankly, the services they do heferg they can to keep people in britain and allies safe. the terrorists only have to be lucky once. they will be lucky. they will be lucky again. the gunman in paris on wednesday were lucky. the question is what we are going to do about it and what the public's understanding of this is. there is very little a lot of members of the public can do. they can certainly be letter and so on. i do think this intervention comes at important time. because we have seen in particular with the recent reports on the cia, a growing move in the western countries effectively to turn on our security services-to-ache tack them and lamb bass them. accuse them. they don't speak out certainly in britain. they are about the only people help keep us safe. >> douglass, i think about that all the time. you said it wonderfully. they never get any credit and take any bows. slings and arrows. all we hear about from the people limitations on them and how offensive they are. we are tieing their hands and asking them to act like super men and it's impossible. douglass murray, thanks so much. >> of course this is a global issue. we are going to see a huge demonstration on sunday where almost every leader will be in paris. hopefully come up with a battle plan to fight against this terror network. 10 minutes before the end of the hour. are we really offending muslims by calling these french terrorists what they are, muslim extremists? 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we're going to ask a muslim scholar and author in "the land of invisible woman: a female doctor's journey in the saw ti kingdom." thanks for joining us. it has been a horrific week as it relates to terrorism. when you hear world leaders refusing to use accurate language as it relates to radical jihad radical islamism, what is the danger in that in your mind? >> i think you've hit the point. there's been use of the words radical or extremists. we have to name the parent of this movement. we have to name islamism. >> why? >> islamism is the political totalitarian i'd yol that's inspearing all of these acts that inspires the acts we've seen in paris sydney in peshawar. it also is something that's disguised and privileged, disguised as islam and privileged by democracies like ours which deem religion sacrosanct. so if we don't expose it islamism gains a lot of capital and power. i think our president is avoiding using that because he's reluctant to name islamism as the problem. most muslim majority countries many of them, are either islamist in nature or patrons of islamism. >> are you saying that is why there's a fear for some to step up and separate the two? >> may well be, because we have to see saudi arabia, a major u.s. ally, is actually very much patronizing slausmislamism. pakistan is fundamentally islamist in its democracy so it raises fundamental difficult issues. >> can you link for us, please, anti-semitism and what you saw in these attacks with the hostage situation the kosher deli and how it relates to radical islam snism. >> absolutely. islamism, one of its fundamental tenets is that anything israeli jewish, to do with judaism is its chief cosmicenemy. so fundamental to islamism but not islam is genocidal anti-semitism. it's very significant that the kosher grocery and its people were targeted. >> by not naming terrorism what it is by not naming radical islamism, does that -- is that a move to not protect citizens both in the muslim community and the globe in your mind? >> maybe not a deliberate move but it is certainly seeking a particular kind of denial and shelter. and the time for denial is over. >> yeah. we saw that play out this week unfortunately. too many lives lost at the hand of terrorists. dr. ahmed we thank you always for being here. >> thank you, elizabeth. >> you've got it. now a "fox news alert" for you on this saturday morning. she's now france's most wanted woman. police searching every inch possible trying to track down this terrorist. you're looking at her right here on our screen. we are live in paris at the top of the hour with all developments. good morning to you. it is saturday, january 10th. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. we begin here at fox news covering dual hostage situations that have come to a violent end from-in france. three terrorists are now dead but one got away, and right now a massive manhunt under way for her, the wife of the grocery store killer. and brand-new chilling images of that woman and even more disturbing, yes, she's holding a cross bow. more disturbing what police knew about her and her ties to terror when they talked to her years ago. >> wow. is france allowing the no-go zones to exist in muslim neighborhoods? people there wear bin laden t-shirts, make their own rules rules we probably wouldn't like. think about that, because mornings are bet we are friends. thank you everybody, for joining us on this really busy saturday. we decided to make it a six-day workweek because there's so much going on over in paris and france. right now we start this hour with a "fox news alert." we're just learning that third suspect, remember the guy who turned himself in the 18-year-old in the horrific charlie hebdo matsz kerr? he has been released without charges. the paris public prosecutor saying the 18-year-old who is believed to be the driver was in school at the time of the shootings that left 12 people dead. so he apparently had nothing to do with it. >> this is the most wanted woman in france eluding police despite a massive manhunt currently under way. hayat boumediene is considered armed and dangerous. >> greg palkot covering this story since wednesday. he is with us in france on with the latest. the mood in france right now knowing the three guys are dead one still out there are people starting to calm down at all? >> reporter: calm down brian, but shock, i think, is the word. it's been an incredible week for them. we mentioned it last time. they equate this to their own 9/11. obviously, the numbers are completely different, but the emotional shock very real. one note about that breaking development in past hour and a half the release of that third suspect in the charlie hebdo newspaper shooting, we had speculated that he was the driver might not have been -- there might have been no driver at all. the two men might have acted on their own. so we're following that up. we're talking to our police contacts. we'll have more on that when we find out. but, yes, there is a search for the common law wife religiously married wife in islam faith. her name is hayat boumediene the partner of amedy koulibaly. he was the fellow that took hostages and shot up the jewish supermarket on friday. he is the guy police suspect killed a french policewoman on thursday. and she knows a lot of stuff. there are records of her connections and linkages with the terrorists in their circle, and at the very least she has information. at the most, she could be an accomplice to both crimes. this as we find out more about those incidents that we have been tracking for the past three days, particularly the bloody incidents yesterday that ended in a shoot-out at both locations that we had talked about. we're supposed to talk about the print business ho tahjhostage taking. that involved the two brothers it turns out they had proclaimed their allegiance to al qaeda in the arab peninsula, aqap, that chapter that exists in yemen said kouachi had spent time in yemen getting trained up. that's why he looked so professional, he and his brother, in their actions. on the other side there was the kosher supermarket involving the koul koulibaly fellow. he was trying to get a convicted terrorist sprung from prison so he had touch with the terror world as well. as france looks into that terror underworld to see if there's any more like them out there. back to you guys. >> greg palkot we thank you very much. people this morning are waking up trying to figure out could they have stopped this because he just mention ld cherif kouachi kouachi, he's the guy who went to yemen. when he came back he was closely surveilled by french police from 2009 until july of 2014. think about that. they had hi internet his phone there was a guy following him because they thought he was a threat. threat. ever since he returned from yemen in july. but they said there's nothing here. he is a low risk. we will follow other people. had they kept the surveillance going, what happened this week may not have. >> and his brother, 34-year-old, traveled to yemen in 2010 to receive training. and koulibaly, five years for hitz attempt to help a convicted terrorist escape custody there and released after doing half his time. >> "the washington post" has a different story. they said they just dropped off the map for the last three years and lost total track of them. that's why the french are going to be under additional scrutiny. the female is out and about and eventually said this in 2009 when she was taken into custody, that she was inspired by her husband and other people she was with to read a lot of books of religion because i came to ask questions on rel. when i saw the massacre in iraq, chechnya, afghanistan or anywhere the americans sent their bomber all that, well, who are the terrorists? >> sure. keep in mind -- and there she is right there. they're looking for her everywhere. probably gone into a no zone. there he is with her boyfriend her husband, he radical itzed her a number of years ago. the development this hour is the fact that the so-called 18-year-old they named as a suspect, then turned himself in he's been released. why would they release him so quickly? he was related to the kouachi brothers. they probably could have got more intel from him, but jay christian adams, a former department of justice civil rights attorney here in this country, says the french are doing essentially the same kind of criminal investigation we would to in this country and not treating this like the war on terror. >> the shooter in paris but actually sentenced for terrorist training and got a whopping 18 months. this is the wrong way to deal with islamic radicals. the recidivism rate among islamic radicals is off the charts so when you catch them you don't release them. this shows you why the gitmo model works. you put them away forever. you don't let them out because they're going to do things like they're doing in paris. >> so jay christian adams very critical of the interation system or lack thereof in france. you would think they'd be in there with counterterrorism xwrunt units setting up quadrants going from block to block to find out what everybody knows going through the phones to find out who is connected to the three we know of and possibly fourth with this woman not only to track her down but see where they came from, who they were associated with and what other plots might be in the pipeline. >> with the no-go zone they would think she would maybe mask herself at this point. >> i imagine if the no-go zones are go zones at least during this period of terror. >> we asked dylan peterson, who's been to the outskirts of france and seen how radicalized it's become his friends were approached by muslim extremists to join. he gave us his account. watch. >> in these no-go zones, you see young men wearing osama bin laden t-shirts. in a houka search i saw a video of someone leading an attack at the time. it seems very mainstream and very accepted. and this is the efforts of islamists like the muslim brotherhood or al qaeda to recruit off the streets of the no-go zones. it's not something that's hidden in the shadows. it's actually very open and it's accepted. >> you know, hindsight is always 20/20, but these guys were on the radar of french intelligence. french intelligence told our intelligence, yeah we're watching these guys then the news this morning in the last hour that apparently they felt that they were such a low risk we're going to stop watching them. >> that's right. >> that was a big mistake. >> now multiple terror bulletins here in the aftermath. police have watched for increased terrorism and activity cautioning american travelers who would be at risk of attack or kidnapping, high alert. >> not good. >> i tell you, it's going to culminate and hopefully this will be a tipping point but almost every western european leader will be in paris tomorrow. a massive show of support and hopefully they'll go to a quiet room and say how do we stop this thing instead of trying to plug all these separate leaks. >> let's hope when eric holder who's representing the american government comes back, they call it what it is, islamic terrorists. >> no, he's going after the redskins and david petraeus. >> interesting thought ryan. let us know what you think about that. >> it is ten minutes after the top of the hour on this saturday and we have a "fox news alert." how do we stop terrorists around the globe? our next guest says take them all out and make no apologies. we promise you'll want to hear this opinion of colonel ralph peters. he's next live on "fox & friends." introducing the new philips norelco shaver series 9000 with contour detect technology that flexes in 8 directions for the perfect shave at any angle. go to philips.com/new to save up to $40. innovation and you. philips norelco. all right. the terrorist may have been kaled, three of them, but they controlled the message and shut down france for three days. joining us with his thoughts, lieutenant colonel ralph peters. you're down about the success the terrorists had. why? >> back in 1968 -- back in the primitive days of television and the chicago riot, during the democratic convention, the phrase that was channelled was "the whole world's watching." they didn't have a clue what that meant. today the whole world is watching and the terrorists scored yet another terrific victory by taking the entire global media hostage for not only 2 navidehs but we're still their hostages. we're still talking about it this morning. the position of all the fanatics, any publicity is good publicity. we from our safety, from our comfort, we look at the events in paris and say, oh, that's horrible. but for young disaffected youth, for young houle ganuely gans, for the young souls in paris and north america, this is the ultimate video game. this is a chance to be a star. you can be somebody. and so we underestimate the appeal. and, again we in the media, unable to help it we have to cover the news we must discuss it. but they leveraged us, they judoed us into being pro bono the greatest pr firm in history. >> so, colonel what is the right way to cover this at the same time let the terrorists know there's going to be hell to pay? >> well, the media's trapped. we are just trapped. the people need the news. they need intelligent analysis. but when you come to reaching the pool of recruits, which is who they're really aiming at throughout the islamic world, there's nothing we can say that will persuade these young radicals. >> so what should we do? what are the actions we need to show? >> well, that's what matters. look we need to recognize that this is a war. we have the rhetoric of war but have never taken it seriously. we never tried the basic thing we do in war, kill your enemies until they quit. bill clinton didn't want to hurt anybody. even george w. bush panicked. the turning point in the campaign in iraq was the first battle of fallujah. the marines were on the edge of winning a decisive victory and george bush under media pressure panicked, quit, went pc. >> iraqi pressure and we should have ignored it, but go ahead. >> yes. then of course president obama uses drones that kill terrorists. that's great except he only kills the people he doesn't want to have to send to guantanamo. here's how you do it. you recognize it is a war, you call it by the right name, islamist terrorism, you get the lawyers out of the fight your accept there is collateral damage in the war you don't apologize for it, you don't nation build, you don't fight for dirt. that's a mugs game. you concentrate on going wherever the enemy is and you kill the enemy without mercy. you leave behind -- and you leave, and you leave smoking ruins an screaming widows. if terrorists reconstitute you go back and kill them again. you acceptitis a long struggle, and atz i said last night on bill o'reilly's show, the golden rule for our politicians must be that you never, you never send american troops into a war you don't need to win. and by the way, you know, we talk about -- and revere correctly the great generation, the greatest generation of world war ii. how did they win? we firebombed german cities, burned their soldiers' families alive and dropped two atom bomb, won the war, and guess what? germany and japan are now among our closest allies. if you're going to go to war, you fight to win. otherwise, stay home and raise the white flag. >> i agree with you 100%, but that seems we're too sophisticated to do that. we have technology to kill the terrorists but leave the wife and kids alive. you're say we cannot fight a war like that and expect to be successful. >> no, you can't. you don't purposely go out toll kill innocent civilians but you have the accept that the greatest immorrallality is for the united states, for western civilization, to lose. and you get into this whole problem of strategic decadence where our ruling class, include manager on the right in congress, they're more worried about warning terrorists than they are about winning. dianne feinstein and her crew look at -- they look at these people in paris these monsters, the people -- boko haram just massacred 2,000 people in nigeria. the slaughter of the school in karachi. and we're worried about waterboarding them? for god's sakes, our civilization is worth extending. it is the only truly humane civilization in human history. it's the pinnacle for all our faults in western civilization. we're as good as it gets and we're not fighting a competitive civilization. we're fighting barbarians. and if you're not willing to fight the barbarians civilization loses. let me get a plug in here. visitors need to stay tuned because coming up you've got tony shafer, two of the clearest thinkers on national security and terrorism, and i hope viewers will listen to them. >> absolutely. thanks for promoing our show. you have also a slew of books that would help everybody understand where you're coming from. too bad i have to quote a canadian prime minister to find out where leadership is. he says, "they have declared war on any country like ourselves that values freedom, openness, and tolerance." he went on to say, speaking forcefully "that we may not like this and wish it would go away, but it is not going away. the reality is we're going to have to confront it." ralph, you're ready to confront it. hopefully people listening and watching will do the same thing because it's got to be led by us but we've got to have some partners. thanks so much, ralph. >> thank you. >> 19 minutes after the hour. coming up, we continue to follow the breaking news out of france with one terror suspect still on the lam. why hasn't france learned its lesson? 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let's start with the 1970s. the purchase of immunity there. what can you tell us? >> right. and here we have -- it begins with the algerians. it begins with an exchange for giving them immunity. then it turns into paying for hostages, over 100 hostages have been paid for, have been negotiated for which provide an income stream. and then right up to the 1990s where they actually tried to block the french government, tried to block the registration of hamas and hezbollah as terrorist organizations, which is insane. >> meanwhile, in the '80s, dr. gorka, we all remember how a lot of iranian assets were frozen, but the french, they found a way to pay some money to the iranians, didn't they. >> right. they believed that you can negotiate with those that wish to destroy you, and we know the iranian republic wants to export its shia version of islamic jihad, but they thought they could pay them off. and we know that it doesn't work. when you're dealing with extremists who believe in a them or us final victory you're just delaying your eventual demise. and in the meantime, paying for them to kill you. >> sure, and then you go into the ninth1990s, again immunity came into play where algerian groups were reportedly bribed into offering immunity, correct? >> correct. france has a long history with the northern department of north africa that became algeria and in exchange for what they thought would be safety for their citizens they went into a deal with the algerian terrorists. >> as it's turned out for the bald guys france is a great person to pick on because they have paid apparently there have been ransoms paid for somewhere in the neighborhood of about 100 french hostage, and we're talking about millions and millions and millions of dollars. >> correct. and think about that. you get into a vicious cycle whereby they look at you as a source of funding you give into it, you pay for your citizens to be released, and then what stops them from kidnapping the next bunch of french citizens? so you've literally become a basis for funding of terrorist attacks. >> dr. gorka, we keep talking tact no-go zones in france here. can you explain those, the history of them why it's important and what should be done moving forward? >> hugely important, and this isn't just a french problem. these are the so-called sensitive urban zones or ss and they exist in france in sweden they exist in england of all places in tower hamlet and even in rotterdam. these are place where is the sovereignty of that nation does not apply, where sharia law is imposed by the local so-called community leaders, and where, for example, french police officers cannot go without the permission of the local imam or muslim leader in france. this is all unclassified. there are now 751 no-go sharia areas registered by the government of france. these are hotbeds for radicalization and recruiting and of course provide safe haven to the kinds of people that did the attack in paris just a few days ago. >> given the fact that we know there are these no-go zones, and that's probably the areas that they're looking for, this one terrorist this morning, the woman, do you think, dr. gorka, given the events of the last four day, maybe france will realize, you know what maybe we should send our police in there maybe we should be monitoring what people are saying? >> a country doesn't function unless there is one rule for everybody. you can't say there's an enclave here and hindus are going to do what they do by their religion. there's an enclave here and the christians are going to do what they do, and then down the street the muslims are going to force women to wear burqas and you can't drink alcohol. then the nation collapse and this is the death of western civilization. every nation has to have a unitary constitutional order and a state practicing sovereignty. i dearly hope that these atrocious attacks against charlie hebdo will be a wake-up call for france but not just for france but for our european allies. >> you've provided us with invaluable historic context. >> peters was right, great guest, great insight. >> spot on. dr. gorka thank you. >> thank you so much. now there's a "fox news alert." this just in, french police have issued a warning that they expect more attacks. this is one of the suspects still on the loose. we have all the breaking details for you after the break. i was not aware of how much acidity was in my diet. i was so focused on making good food choices, i had no idea that it was damaging the enamel of my teeth. i wanted to fix it i wanted to fix it right away. my dentist recommended pronamel. he said that pronamel can make my teeth stronger that it was important, that that is something i could do each day to help protect the enamel of my teeth. pronamel is definitely helping me to lead the life that i want to live. at ancestry, we call it a hint.. our little leaf that helps guide you through the past. simply type in a name and you're taken on a journey. a journey that crosses generations. and continents. all to tell the most amazing story. yours. discover your story. start searching for free now at ancestry.com we are back now with a "fox news alert." a massive manhunt under way right now as you're watching heavily armed police officers going from train to train at stations as they look for hayat boumediene. >> this as we have learned the third suspect in the horrific charlie hebdo massacre has been released without charges. paris public prosecutor saying the 18-year-old brother-in-law who's believed to be the driver that day was actually in school during the time of the shootings that left 12 people dead. meanwhile, three terrorists are delgado after daring ways by french special forces to end two difficult hostage situations. this is the head of the french national police warning that more terror attacks are likely, this on the heels of the mi-5 head making statements on thursday. >> right. also one other development, and keep in mind, the fellow by the name of amedi coulibaly, he's the guy who took the grocery store on the left-hand portion of your screen, he and his girlfriend or wife, those two right there, are suspected in the murder of a police officer on the streets of paris on thursday. now the french media are connecting him at least to the murder of a jogger who was killed on wednesday, the day before. >> images of that woman to the left with a cross bow. she is armed and dangerous. that manhunt on the way. >> oh boy. all right. that was new information. let's bring in colonel tony shafer, senior fellow with the london center for policy rnl research, who says this may have been a test far larger attack. what made you think this is a test? >> well, brian first off, this was a cell. it's very clear you now see the cell exposed for what it is and i think there's two things we need to do, simply observe the obvious. first, these guys worked as a military team. they were well trained, the moving through the street was reminiscent of the movie "heat" and the gunfight scene in that because those guys in that movie were trained to do the shoot-out. these guys were trained to do the shoot-out in real life. secondly, when you look at the structure -- and i have new information and i can't go into full detail -- this cell was named. this was a named cell of a larger set of cells. right. and it was actually named after the location where they were doing their fi caltraining before they went to training in yemen. so this tells me there's more. and the other thing i can't go into great detail on but there were other weapons used in the attack inside of that facility inside of charlie hebdo that indicate to us a larger network. you can't get weapons such as grenade launchers in easily, so, again, these guys have -- >> into country, into building, and how big do you think this cell was? >> well, i think we've seen the actual main members of the cell. we haven't seen logistical support or the command and control, although we've now seen al qaeda take credit for it. i think now we have to look at what's beyond it because that's why i think -- sorry, go ahead. >> i was going to say because it's been identified by the french national prosecutor apparently the guns, the weapons they yutz in this -- in the attacks came to them from the balkans. >> that's what i'm saying. this is part of a network, and that's what we have to be concerned about. this is not a bunch of quote unquote, loan wolfs, this completely absurd narrative that's thrown out there. ralph is completely correct as is dr. gorka. there's a larger attack against the entire governance we now take for granted to protect us and until we get serious about the fact that we have this enemy now well organized executing missions, we have to expect more attacks coming on the other end of this. >> that's exactly what colonel rob peters said earlier. we alluded to that. we want to play if for our viewer then more response from you. thanks. >> this is a war. you recognize it is a war, call it by the right name islamist terrorism, get the lawyers out of the fight, you accept there is collateral damage in the war, you don't apologize for it you don't nation build, you don't fight for tirt. that's a mugs game. you concentrate on going wherever the enemy is and you kill the enemy without mercy, you leave behind -- and you leave, and you leave smoking ruins and screaming widows and if the terrorists reconstitute, you go back and kill them again. you accept it's a long struggle. >> colonel i guess you agree with that. but the question is how do you limit the number of people? it's so diffuse across the world right now northern africa, the middle east. now you have cells in france possibly in holland, norway, sweden. >> right. >> how do we limit the number of cells and bases? >> first you decide to winl as ralph said, and you do that by penetrating the networks. this whole droning of terrorist leaders creates a deficit of intelligence, brian. we have to capture these guys. we have to sbarinterrogate them. that's the raw truth. these guys were identified within hours of the attack because we know who they are. we aren't going inside of the network to figure out what's going on. secondly, use clandestine operations. you don't have to have large land armies to beat these guys, you have to have the will to win, and you go in and kill these guys across the board. third -- go ahead, elizabeth. >> i want to focus on the 26-year-old woman hayat boumediene, who's on the loose right now armed and dangerous. in your mind what kind of a threat does she pose as it relates to this larger community of cells? >> tony. tony, are you there? time to give us the silent treatment. >> we're having an audio problem. >> the girlfriend/wife of the terrorist who actually -- >> amedi coulibaly. >> yes who took the jewish deli by storm, held hostages there four dead. >> we don't know if she was there. >> we don't. there were initial reports she was in there and got out. not confirmed yet. she is armed and dangerous. spent time training in jihadist camps. right back with more. >> tony's back with us. >> yeah. >> tony, you know some people are waking up this morning and they realize -- they're hearing that apparently the french had surveilled at least one of these family members -- >> absolutely. >> -- for a while. but they stopped six months ago because they said, you know what, we've been tapping his phones looking at his internet, had a guy following him. he's a low risk. they dropped the ball. >> they want you to think they're a low risk. that's how they're trying to do this. you stay on them and look at the patterns. this is what i hope the french do. they've got to look back at the mistakes just like that steve, and figure out how they made errors so we don't make those. i was with some of our top security folks trying to keep us protected in washington yesterday, and they are concerned because data like that is not necessarily integrated into the larger picture because there are certain groups, certain individuals we think are risks, yet they're being told to fight with one handle behind their back and i want's not making us any safer. >> we had a british intelligence expert on a short time ago and said the reason the mi-5 came forward is because they've been compromised because of edward snowden. >> yes. >> there are secrets he's leaked out on methods and practices which have been exposed. do you agree? >> i do. that's why we have to go back to looking at how they use couriers. they watch us. they know how we use intercepts against them. people like snowden made it clear they know. we have to go back to the old block and tackle clandestine human intelligence, second oldest profession. get in there, do a network, send people in and doing hard interrogation. you have to do it. >> taupeny, you touched on something a moment ago. you said you were talking to people in washington yesterday about keeping us safe here. >> right. >> what is the worry? >> the worry is we have been so reluctant to look hard at the very audience of a potential people doing attacks. there's this political correctness, steve, that is completely in our system and so -- >> nobody wants to be labeled anti-muslim, and so that's the part of the problem. >> i am not anti-muslim. i am anti-muslim extreme terror, and that's what we have to say. there's a group out there willing to kill even their own. let's remember, steve, one of the people killed in this attack was a muslim. >> what do you mean the audience? we've been unwilling to look at the audience. what do you mean by that? >> again, when we look at -- fbi director has said about 100 individuals they're keeping track of. they probably match the profile of these guys nap's what i'm saying here. we have to be more aggressive in looking at how these patterns pop up because that's what happened in 9/11. we saw thing couldn't put the pieces together. we have to put the pieces together ahead of time this time. >> but in not naming it for what it is, even our commander in chief, our president, keep us in a dangerous place by not being specific? >> elizabeth, by him not naming it, it enables it. it gives it strength. one of the imagery thing, and i think dr. gorka would back me me up on this is the strong horse. in their culture, they're using this to recruit. our inability to name them for who they are basically says we're too afraid to name them which allows them to recruit. >> we need to be respected. >> and feared. yes. >> tony shaffer yutzed to work for the cia now does his best to keep us all safe thanks very much. >> thanks for having me. coming up call it the jihadist olympics, perhaps isis and al qaeda battling it out to be the bigger threat. where is this coming from? 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why is it so easy for someone to go there and then return with vengeance? >> yemen has always been a destination for individuals trying to learn arabic, but it's also known to have a safe haven there, and we've seen many instances of individuals going and training with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, aqap. the threat here is not just the threat from aqap but the fact that foreigners or native americans or frenchmen can go to yemen, receive training and come back and commit such terrorist attacks. >> so can you differentiate here between isis and -- both are trying to take credit in the situation we saw in these terrorist attacks in paris isis and aqap. >> the difference is actually over how they want to operate on the ground and what they believe is legitimate in the course of their violent acts. of course it's all brutal and terrible, but al qaeda tries to avoid killing muslims and has a much more moderate sense of who is actually a legitimate target. and here there's the report that the gunmen separated out a female journalist and let her live, which is something that isis would probably not have done. >> also al qaeda has attempted to attack the united states four times in the past years. with this competition brewing now between isis and al qaeda what does that mean for the united states in terms of the threat that we now face? >> the competition is very bad for the united states because it puts the u.s. and our allies right in the line of fire. neither group will go after each other, but they'll go after the west and say who can hit hardest? and there the united states can be the punching bag. >> what do you mean by that? >> it means that they both need to show that they are the top dog here and that they can carry out an attack and really pull a punch that hits the united states or the west and that means that they there's going to be a concerted effort to go after americans and europeans and other allies. >> you're hearing the voice of research fellow at the american enterprise institute, lead analyst in al qaeda critical clet threats project there cathryn zimmerman. thanks for being with fox and friends and expanding on that threat. this now for you. a "fox news alert." the head of french police issuing this dire warning just moments ago. more attacks are likely to come, they say. do they have a place -- a plan in place to stop the terror? 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>> joining us is a former member of the navy s.e.a.l.s. what have you put together. if i was to ask you to put together a report what have you ascertained? >> it's funny now they are giving a report to be on alert for her. i think we have seen an evolution in terrorism again. every once in awhile there's evolutions, 9/11 before 9/11 it was if you get on a plane that's hijacked, didn't say anything it's probably going to land. before 9/11, the third plane they realized they were crashing plane sboos a building. then we have home grown terrorists. everybody looks at radicalized individuals. now, we are seeing individuals that grow up in a country and deploy somewhere get training and come back and work as a team. >> something else that developed. there you have the lineup, three of the four are dead at the time. they are looking for the woman. everybody in france is looking for them. it was just announced jonathan, since we have seen you the third, so-called third man, somebody named as a suspect an 18-year-old brother-in-law was released because he didn't have anything to do with it. the brother-in-law. he was held a couple days. he's been in contact with them for many many years. shouldn't they keep him in jail a little more? >> they didn't do interrogation on this guy. interrogation interrogation, this is another problem. our ability over in france and areas the ability to interrogate and question is going downhill. it's going backwards. >> i hope this wakes people up to understand we have to change tactics. >> how many do we have to have? canada said they have lost their innocence. australia said they are never going to be the same. what world are they living? it happens everywhere else. >> we are getting the feeling cia officials hands are tied. i want to go back. what are the police doing in france? do they hunt down this woman on the loose? armed and dangerous. she's a suspect in the killing of a police officer. what do you believe their efforts include? >> you have data base checks. you have sources are the number one way to track somebody. they are proud of what they did. if she's on the run, she's being hidden by somebody. >> before we go, we are going to put up the video of when the police went into the grocery store yesterday. you say this entry is terrible why? >> you are missing the part where one guy enters add the rest of the team doesn't. that's the bad guy coming out who gets shot. hostages are on the floor. the team doesn't enter until it is over with where they are shooting through the glass. >> you told me you see the first guy go in and nobody follows. i have never heard of that. >> he has shield on, but not directing it. he's looking over here and he's got it pointed here. it was amateur hour and they are lucky nobody else got killed. >> four did. we don't know when. they say prior. we'll see. >> they are probably never going to tell us. >> thank you. we are going to be back in two minutes. you are watching fox and friends live. we come by almost every day to deliver your mail so if you have any packages you want to return you should just give them to us i mean, we're going to be there anyway why don't you just leave it for us to pick up? or you could always get in your car and take it back yourself yeah, us picking it up is probably your easiest option it's kind of a no brainer ok, well, good talk breaking now in france, a massive manhunt under way for this woman hayat boumediene. >> french national police warning more terror attacks could come in fact they are likely. thanks for watching. keep it here. well the hunt is on over there. the u.s. puts everyone on alert here. good morning. a travel warning urging americans to be on high alert. possible terror attacks and could be adding a big attack on travel. as the hunt goes on for the wife of a terrorist attacker whether she's in paris or france for that matter at all. the weird market response to all of it. the traders are scared. they have a funny way of showing it this week. first, to paris and rick. authorities scrambl

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