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If you asked voters what they understood, you can even see it. you probably cant see any of the other words on my word cloud, but e-mails were huge. if you go to donald trump and you asked what do you know about donald trump, there were a whole bunch of different things, debate, women, immigration, et cetera. e-mails was it. it was the story. >> it wasnt just the campaign story. it was 2015 and 2016. this was a year and a half. >> yeah. >> so with the ivanka story we have yet again more confirma...

And the campaign coverage that maybe you didnt see at the time, particularly around the e-mail coverage and the podesta and hacked e-mails. in retrospect, what do you they about the hacked e-mails were covered? >> right. i was on my way to the newsroom. it was december, i was still in the post-election haze, and my colleagues wrote a story how the russians had pulled off the perfect hack. they said part of that was turning the times and every media organization into a de facto instrument of russ...

Texas, everyone i knew hated her. theres been a large psych of the hillary hating. i thought one she stepped back we wouldnt see it, but clearly we still are. >> the book is a really interesting book, very well written. you write about some conclusions you come to about the campaign and the campaign coverage that maybe you didnt see at the time, particularly around the e-mail coverage and the podesta and hacked e-mails. in retrospect, what do you they about the hacked e-mails were covered? >> ri...

"new york times" responded to brock directly calling him an opportunist and a partisan who specializes in personal attacks and his partisanship has led him to lash out at some of our aggressive coverage of important political figures and its unsurprising that he has now turned personal. hes wrong on all counts. its weather self-anointed neutral reporters are taking some kind of side in a political campaign, whether there are different rules for clinton scandals or whether, once again, a politici...

Journalism. it is telling people in power that, you know what? you can get away with this kind of stuff and the media is letting them do it. >> there were a group of people at the irs maybe the white house who sat down together and said okay lets destroy her emails, lets make sure the company that provides the e-mail coverage is brought into the conspiracy as well and lets make sure everybody up and down the line at the irs is in the conspiracy. you really believe that? >> yes, i do. there are r...

Journalism. it is telling people in power that, you know what? you can get away with this kind of stuff and the media is letting them do it. >> there were a group of people at the irs maybe the white house who sat down together and said okay lets destroy her emails, lets make sure the company that provides the e-mail coverage is brought into the conspiracy as well and lets make sure everybody up and down the line at the irs is in the conspiracy. you really believe that? >> yes, i do. there are r...

Journalism. it is telling people in power that, you know what? you can get away with this kind of stuff and the media is letting them do it. >> there were a group of people at the irs maybe the white house who sat down together and said okay lets destroy her emails, lets make sure the company that provides the e-mail coverage is brought into the conspiracy as well and lets make sure everybody up and down the line at the irs is in the conspiracy. you really believe that? >> yes, i do. there are r...