war, of course. but he means that people have to now side and decide whether they re with the terrorists, as he says, or with the civilized world. and he told me, and, of course, this was his, you know, first interview since the downing of mh-17. he said that he designates those eastern ukrainian pro-russian separatists as terrorists. and he wants the world to look at them in that way, as well. and he also said that he had created a 40-kilometer, you know, exclusion zone around the crash site whereby no ukrainian military would conduct any offensives. and he told us that about 282 of the bodies are on those trains, now moving towards karkiv and will go to amsterdam for repatriation. he was very, very clear that actually now the world had to make president putin stop those separatists, those terrorists, as he called them, from continuing to do what they re doing.
fighters, stop russian personnel, stop these heavy weapons systems moving in across to eastern ukraine. and take up the hand of president poroshenko who is over and again suggested a peace plan, cease-fire terms, how he ll deal with eastern ukraine. one of the things that neither the russians nor the separatist rebels have been able to say, this was a mistake. i don t think anybody believes this plane, a civilian airliner, was deliberately shot down. but nor are any of them agreeing to say that this was a mistake, and we need to deal with it. instead the pro-russian separatists are telling cnn that, you know, the ukrainians did it and they never did it. president putin has not denied that it could have happened by pro-russian separatists. he has not denied that. he s never said it did, but hasn t denied it. okay. christiane amanpour, with that perspective, and i just want to urge our viewers, you can watch the entire petro poroshenko president of ukraine interview.