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That intention he acted on to the point of clashing, to a degree, that if any other civilian or government official did, that they would be stopped, removed from the motorcade, arrested on the spot. but when the protectee is the danger? >> yes. >> that is the constitutional crisis territory. so, its a sad day. because whatever goes forward from now, all the options are sad. dealing with this in accountable ways is difficult for the country. ignoring it, as many experts have argued, could be wors...

Either way, hes been linked to the violence by his own. >> violence, again, not violence that got out of hand, the olence that was planned with people who came arm for that purpose. all right, continuing in just a moment with this recap of todays, honestly, a shocking hearing from the january 6th investigation. beyond this light little matter of the president ordering that unarmed crowd be allowed to keep their weapons as they marched on the u.s. capitol, on that minor detail, i think the second...

The six, as you were about to go to the rally on the ellipse. and mr. cipollone said something to you like, make sure the movement to the capitol does not happen. is that correct? >> thats correct. i saw mr. cipollone right before i walked out onto my desk that morning. and mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we dont go up to the capital, cassidy, keep in touch with me. were going to get charges for every crime imaginable, if we make that movement happen. >> and do yo...

Hutchinson, you also spoke to mr. cipollone on the morning of the six, as you were about to go to the rally on the ellipse. and mr. cipollone said something to you like, make sure the movement to the capitol does not happen. is that correct? >> thats correct. i saw mr. cipollone right before i walked out onto my desk that morning. and mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we dont go up to the capital, cassidy, keep in touch with me. were going to get charges for every c...

Warnings about people being armed. but again, poppy, we talked about this sort of as a nation, over the last couple of weeks, what it takes to win a criminal trial and what it takes to convince the american public that number one someone did something really bad and shouldnt be president again just two different standards. and thats the burden that the justice department or any prosecutor is going to have to hit here. >> it is very true. speaking of convincing a jury and speaking of lawyers, let...

During dramatic tuesday of west wing aid hutchinson, they said its time for cipollone to testify on the record and our panel is back with us. here is one of the things. this is one of the things, pat cipollone, cassie hutchinson says, she was going with donald trump to the ellipse. pat cipollone pulled her aside and said this. >> mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure he doesnt go to the capitol, cas difficult. keep in touch with me. we will get charged with every crime ...

Capitol on january 6th. >> mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure he doesnt go up to the capitol, cassidy, keep in touch with me. we will get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> today liz cheney is upping the option to testify. how can he not testify? >> ana, he should testify. its his duty as an officer of the court, and a loyal american. ive known pat a loan time. he can make the to the choice not to testify. if he does that, doj and...

You know where he was at? you might want to— you know where he was at? you might want to check— you know where he was at? you might want to check in with him, mark, and i want to check in with him, mark, and i pointed at _ want to check in with him, mark, and i pointed at the tv and said, "the rioters _ i pointed at the tv and said, "the rioters are — i pointed at the tv and said, "the rioters are getting close, they might— rioters are getting close, they might get in." he looks at me an...

Often the white house counsel warned those around the president not to let him march to the u.s. capitol with his supporters. because the legal consequences would be extreme. >> i saw mr. cipollone right before i walked out on to west exec that morning, and mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we dont go up to the capitol, cassidy. keep in touch with me. were going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> and do you remember which ...

Capitol, even after knowing that law enforcement had been overrun, even after knowing the lawyers were suggesting criminal exposure, even after knowing that people in the crowd were armed and had body armor. things we can contribute to donald trumps mind and also mark meadows, im not saying its a criminal case but youre inching closer to it. >> she was describing a conversation she had with white house counsel pat cipollone where he was urging her to not let donald trump go from the ellipse to c...