but phase two is permanently end the hostilities? based on what? based on the destruction of hamas? certainly not. and then israel completely hands it back over to hamas? this looks like a survival plan, as you said, for hamas in egg change for hostages, which is good. but the progress israel has made in large part is the reason why they ve gotten hostages back. that s right. and really, if you think about it, the israelis are on the 5-yard line right now. all they have to do is, essentially, or finish the war in rafah. this is the town right on the border with egypt. pete: yep. it s probably about three weeks of fighting. that s what the israelis estimate right now. and then the hard fighting of this war would be over. and i think most of the headlines from this war would probably recede into the background. there would, of course, i think be counterinsurgency operations that the israel allies would have to continue to take out the final remnants of hamas. but what it rooks like
think well if you don t get every one of mid still be good if he got 99% of them and it couldn t get 99% of them. it d be good if you got 98% of them. i don t buy the argument that you can t try to eliminate the threat fred we wanted to eliminate the threat of naziism in world war ii, among other things. and we did so, what do you think? you think that they should continue to press on in rafah despite the pressure from the us and internationally that that is their only option. two exceed here well, if they had gone against hamas and the tunnels under rough er, three or four months ago. we d be way beyond this and onto a different subject. the fact is that by slowing israel down, by trying to get them to stop objectively, that is a pro-hamas outcome because it saves the leadership of hamas
dr. jonathan schanzer. doctor, we ll get into the policy specifics in a a moment, but why does hamas love this so much? well, white frankly, because hamas is going to be able to exist after this war if this ceasefire is implemented. joe biden is basically saying that it s okay that the organization that has a carried out the murder of 1200 people and the kidnapping of 240 and launched a war that has devastated gaza a and brought the middle east on the verge of a full regional war, or they don t have to pay a price. they will still actually survive after this, if i m reading this plan correctly, the plan that the president quoted yesterday. pete: you re exactly right. it feels like a hamas would have written this plan. we ll put it up there. it s still very am a biggous, but it s three faces. the first is a 6-week ceasefire which is what the left and hamas really want, and again, there s hostages, and that s very important.
administration is telling the israelis not to finish this, not to get into the end zone. pete: for sure. they want the israelis to stop right now and to allow for hamas, for iran, for hezbollah you ve got to remember, this is an entire axis that is trained and financed and armed by the iranians. they ve been waging war on multiple fronts. not just in gaza, but also in lebanon, in the west bank and in iraq and syria and yemen. no one will have to pay a price for any of this. the israelis are basically just being told, look, get your hostage as back and stop fighting hostages back and stop fighting. that does not seem like anything the israelis are going to buy. pete: proposals like this are why wars never end. enemies are never defeated, and they continue their cause which in that has hamas case is the eradication and destruction of israel. this was painted by the biden administration as something the israelis were for. do you think the israelis really want this deal? no. i
half of gaza s entire population, were sheltering in rafah. then on may 6 leaflets were dropped urging civilians to evacuate. within hours, israel began launching strikes toward eastern rafah, where it said hamas was hiding out. the biden administration paused a shipment of weapons that was meant for israel over concerns regarding rafah, which brings us to last week. an israeli airstrike triggered a fire that killed 45 people sheltering in tents in rafah. netanyahu described it as a tragic mishap, according to the nbc news translation, though the prime minister s office insisted afterward that the translation of what he said was a tragic incident. analysis from the new york times and washington post found munitions debris at the scene of the attack was designed and manufactured in the united states. secretary of state antony blinken said the united states could not confirm which weapons were used or how they were used