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And its -- but, you know, clarence thomas -- paul: thats what i wanted to can about. >> yeah. paul: so clarence thomas was the fifth vote here. now, youd say clarence thomas, ive looked at his jurisprudence for years, he abhors the use of race as a, in redistricting and anything else. he thinks the constitution is essentially race-neutral. >> right. and thats why he voted -- paul: why did he vote for the liberals -- >> because, again, its not whether race is a fact or or the factor, he says once...

And its -- but, you know, clarence thomas -- paul: thats what i wanted to can about. >> yeah. paul: so clarence thomas was the fifth vote here. now, youd say clarence thomas, ive looked at his jurisprudence for years, he abhors the use of race as a, in redistricting and anything else. he thinks the constitution is essentially race-neutral. >> right. and thats why he voted -- paul: why did he vote for the liberals -- >> because, again, its not whether race is a fact or or the factor, he says once...