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stop the election count. but you have, you know, the former attorney general and other close insiders, cabinet members, who describe donald trump in the worst, you know, terrible terms after january 6th. and now say yeah, i'll vote for him because he's a republican and he's better than joe biden. explain how you can be so disparaging of the morality, the character of a candidate, politician, of a man, then say, yeah, but i'll vote for him. >> well, i mean, i think it's hard for me to put myself in their views. i don't know that i necessarily feel the same way. i do think for the former vice president, there was less of a sense of that personality that perhaps some other cabinet members have expressed concerns. i think the former vice president came down to, i swore an oath to defend the constitution and that's where my allegiance lies.
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on this issue. >> of course, the counterargument would be, no other white house chief of staff has gone down to a state and argued about the election count, that it does not fit within the duties of the chief of staff. it was part of the politics. >> i think people can get their head around the idea that just because you happen to be a federal official doesn't mean that you get to move it to federal court. if you happen to be the former chief of staff and you rob a bank or you commit murder, that doesn't absolve you of everything to move the case to federal court. you have to be acting in a federal capacity under federal law. that's where the d.a. will say, by trying to pressure state officials, by soliciting a phone call to get someone to commit a crime, that's not acting in a federal capacity. that's the d.a.'s argument. >> how do you think willis has
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with others. i think that a judge is entitled to the presumption of good faith and independence until they show themselves otherwise. >> let's talk about state versus federal, the advantage for the defendant -- for these defendants in particular is that if it's moved to federal court, it is all of the northern georgia district. so he has a different jury pool where fulton county is democratic. the rest of georgia has red areas. there will most likely not be cameras in the court. that said, what he was doing in fulton county was not what a typical white house chief of staff does. that wasn't his white house duties to go in and oversee the election count and press those local officials. >> yes. this removal statute allows a federal officialcharged in the
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