2020 election. we re still not done. an nbc news analysis finds jack smith s grand jury has interviewed dozens of witnesses from little known campaign aides to the former vice president of the united states. and smith s questions are, quote, focused particularly on the fake elector scheme. smith is also said to be focused on that unhinged december 18th oval office meeting about seizing voting machines. the meeting was full of insults and conspiracy theory, concerning powell, michael flynn. here s how the people in the room described that december 18th meeting. someone screamed at me that i was a quitter, kept on standing up and turning and around screaming at me. they were fighting. the first thing i walked in and i looked at them and said who are you? people fighting with each other and hurling insults at each other. what they were proposing i thought was nuts. how nuts was it? this was the draft executive or they were pushing trump to sign: it was not written
people off to the insurrection or lied and defamed people in ways that damaged them or their companies. now, the people who have sued aren t always fox haters or critics, the voting company that got over half a billion dollars out of them didn t have longstanding grievances with the company. they were just able to get so far in their punishing lawsuit that they got over half a b out of rupert murdoch and tucker carlson was fired. i say that before i bring in james carville because this comes from a trump supporter, ray epps. he says that tucker carlson, the former fox host, ousted after a different lawsuit, was at an illegal or defamatory level, peddling knowingly false conspiracy theories, specifically against him. he says, quote, carlson was telling a fantastical story in which epps was some sort of undercover fbi agent responsible for the actual mob that broke into the capital. so what you re about to see is what we warned you before, not offered as true, not offered as
into the capital. so what you re about to see is what we warned you before, not offered as true, not offered as something you should believe, but offered as evidence in another case that could seriously change what fox says, who is employed by them, and what is fed out to their loyal audience and parts of the republican party. that s why i tell you, this ain t a media story. we don t typically lead with media stories like critiquing a new york times article. that s part of something larger. here s what carlson said about the person who s suing him. a man called ray epps. epps was in washington the night before january 5th. this epps guy, a photo of ray epps. new reporting on ray epps. a mysterious figure called ray epps. it went on and on like that, and the videos do show epps was on the capitol grounds on the 6th, though there s no evidence he entered the building.
discredit former president donald trump. a man called ray epps was in washington the night before january 5th. this epps guy, a photo of ray epps, no reporting on ray epps. the mysterious figure called ray epps. here s video of epps at the capitol on january 6th. you can see him whispering something to another trump supporter before rioters broke through the barricade. the fbi interviewed both epps and the man he s seen whispering to outside the capitol. both confirmed epps was trying to calm him down saying, dude, relax, the cops are doing their job. i should note neither carlson nor fox news responded to the new york times. epps hasn t even been prosecuted and there s no evidence he breached the capitol building. thanks to carlson, epps is