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well. >> just yesterday right before the minutes came out, bullard said we should be considering beginning the tapering next month. now he comes out and says you've got room before we begin to taper. >> market goes down. market goes up. that's how it works. >> one week before thanksgiving, eight days before black friday, an exclusive retail reality check with william sonoma ceo laura alber. the stock is off to the races after the company boosted its outlook. high end retail is doing well. lower end might be another story. >> very interesting developments for williams-sonoma. here's some suggestions. return christmas gifts you don't need for extra cash. sell unwanted possessions on craigslist or ebay. and my favorite. break your food into smaller pieces to help you feel more full. now, these are tips from mcdonald's employees on the company website called mcresource. this not a joke. it's not being made up. in fact, i didn't believe it when i saw it this morning. >> you said, is this legit? >> our producers had to convince me. they showed me that it is the real thing. as you can imagine, it's sparking a new debate about low pay at mcdonald's and other fast food chains. we will have a full report on this coming up. >> here's a tip from me. do not get me a gift card. i do not want a gift card. >> she doesn't use them. >> i put them in a drawer. it is never to be seen again. let's check where we stand as we approach this final stretch on wall street. dow jones industrial average in rally mode, thank you very much. triple digit move. up 102 points. 16,003 last friday. nasdaq composite also doing well. almost 50 points higher. the s&p 500, also very strong today. very broad based move. we are at the highs right now. >> i know which drawer to go to in your desk. >> i got a whole bunch of gift cards. joining us now on our "closing bell exchange" to talk more about investing, heather hughes from sunamerica. john doyle. keith fitzgerald. good to see everybody. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> john, let me kick it off with you. would you buy into this rally right here? very strong day. broad based rally. you want to put new money to work? you think this goes higher going into year end? >> i think the fed has been giving us a little mixed signal. i think moving forward we're going to be looking at a very accommodative environment for a number of months. we don't think that tapering is going to happen in december. we're looking at at least march if not later. i think that buying into this rally is not a bad idea at all. >> heather, you're looking all the way to january at this point. which is not that far away. you think we'll see a change in the market tone at that point. why? >> well, tone and as far as change in the markets, i guess we grind higher over the next month. if we did taper in january. but then again, as you and maria went over, yesterday we might taper 6.5% unemployment. now 5.5%. they're kind of like moving targets, right? tomorrow we may change our mind again. not quite sure on the january tapering yet. but it definitely may not -- stock markets kind of shrug their shoulders right now. but the bond markets will throw a temper tantrum. especially on the long end of the curve, we're not really seeing a dramatic impact today. but when you look at a 20 year, 30 year bonds versus 2 and 5, you're going to see that yield curve steepen. advisers are looking to tighten up on duration going forward ahead of that move. >> mark spellman, you've been more cautious on this market just most recently. >> yes. the biggest worry, i think, we're not horribly bearish. my biggest worry is the multiple expansion. and the fed tapering kind of being two big tailwinds that we've had kind of dissipating. if you do get tapering come -- i don't think it's going to happen before january. at the beginning of the year we started the s&p at a 14 multiple. we'll end the year at a 17 multiple. we're bouncing up toward the high end of the range. it doesn't mean there's imminent danger. but it does mean a big, big gain like 20%, 25% next year is pretty remote. >> keith fitzgerald, you want to see more stimulus. do you think it's possible that janet yellen, when she becomes the fed chair, takes us beyond $85 billion a month in purchases by the fed? >> uh-oh. >> i have made that argument before. and i'll make it again. i think she's going to have no choice. i say that because the soft end of the retail spectrum is the lower income component. that suggests to me the economy is still struggling. that suggests to me that millions of americans have still got to make up the gap. employment picture is a mismatch between skills offered and skims sought. i think they're going to have to actually increase stimulus, something janet yellen has hinted to in the last few weeks. >> the floor is all yours, heather. >> seems like qe forever, right? no inflation right now according to their gauge. personal consumption expenditure, pc at 1.2%. you saw ppi and cpi lower this morning. keith, i hope you're wrong and we can start trading off natural fundamentals of supply and demand in this market. it seems like based on their numbers which, they may be just moving targets, so not quite targets at all, you know, i guess we're not quite there. that's your point, we may taper. the economy is not strong enough yet even with the jobs data this morning that looked a little better, huh? >> well, that's exactly my point. we have not got the fundamentals we need. the market is a forward looking animal. we've got to have the fundamentals in place if we're going to have real growth. i simply don't believe we're there yet which is why i think yellen is not sure how to spell taper let alone the implication of what's going to happen if she does, in fact, try to pull back. then we're going to get a taper tantrum which is even worse. >> yes, yes. >> what do you want to be exposed to? let me turn my attention back to you. in terms of actually putting money to work in sectors, what do you want to be involved in going into year end? >> we're looking for reasonable priced stocks that are -- have just reported decent fundamentals in the third quarter. there's a bunch of them out there. i look at some of these asset sensitive financials. because i am on the other side. i think the 10 year is going to be closer to 3.5% next year rather than 2.5%. a name like charles schwaub. i look at another name on the financial side like hartford financial. it's been a bit of a basket case. it's extremely inexpensive at 85% of book value. they've had a good quarter. pricing in their book. it's a bit of a reclamation project. i think you can buy valued companies that have decent fundamental exposure right now. >> john doyle, where would you put money to work right now? >> i'm the currency guy. the stock guys take advantage of it. like i said before, we expect to be in a pretty accommodative environment for a while. that way we think equities at least in the united states have a ways north to go into 2014. >> all right. we will leave it there. thanks, everybody. appreciate your time today. see you soon. so which stocks are pushing the market towards 16,000? want to get to those names. dominic chu rounding them all up. >> retailers are definitely a focus today. shares of target, let's start there, are as red as its logo today. company reported earnings that were below some analyst estimates and it cut its full year profit forecast. on the lower end of the price spectrum was dollar tree. stock lower after reporting comparable store sales less than expected. america's biggest video game retailer, game stop, lower after beating profit and sales estimates but forecasting full year results that disappointed investors into into the holiday shopping season. green mountain coffee also beat estimates for profits and sales and announced a $1 billion stock buyback program. those shares are soaring on that news despite forecasting current quarter profits that fell below some estimates. we'll cap things off in the kitchen. cookware and home goods retailer williams-sonoma boosted full year guidance and customers spent more at its pb teen or bahtry barn teen stores. laura alber said the company is well positioned to head into the holiday season. stay tuned. she's going to be in the "closing bell." later on this hour. we're in the final stretch of trading for thursday. 50 minutes before the closing bell sounds. we've got a market that is on fire. above 16,000 on the dow industrials. even if just barely. 101 points higher. can the market keep heading higher? fundament ams say yes. technicals maybe teming a different story. we'll look at fundamentals and techny cams in a moment. mcdonald's telling its workers to return christmas gifts to make ends meet. then at the same time advising them to take two vacations a year to help cut heart attack risk. is mcdonald's toned after the financial state of its employees? that's coming up. also ahead -- >> there she is, candidate 17! the girl on fire! >> the second "hunger games" film hitting theaters at midnight. coming up, we'll find out if this potential blockbuster could continue helping shares of lionsgate catch fire. stay tuned. we went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed much is the official retirement age. ♪ the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪ toi'm bethand i'm michelle.. and we own the paper cottage. it's a stationery and gifts store. anything we purchase for the paper cottage goes on our ink card. so you can manage your business expenses and access them online instantly with the game changing app from ink. we didn't get into business to spend time managing receipts, that's why we have ink. we like being in business because we like being creative, we like interacting with people. so you have time to focus on the things you love. ink from chase. so you can. we have some breaking news right now. "the wall street journal" is reporting that the fcc is about to propose allowing passengers to use their cell phones on airplanes. >> i never believed it that you had to turn off your cell phone. i never, ever bought into that. >> wait a minute. you will not be able to use them, according to this proposal, on takeoff and landing. and below 10,000 feet. okay? once you get above 10,000 feet, then they will let you use them. okay? now, i'm with you on all that. >> with the whole takeoff and landing thing, i'm always skeptical. why am i turning off my -- i can't get texts or e ma-mails we we're taking off and landing. i don't believe it's interrupting anything. >> please, please, please tell me there'll be a quiet car section of the plane. i don't want the guy behind me yelling in his phone while we're on the plane. because i'm stuck there. anyway, that's the word from the "wall street journal." bob pisani. and the dow is up 103 at 16,004. mr. pisani, you wouldn't use your cell phone on a plane, would you? >> what, bill? i got a call, bill. i'm sorry. talk to you in a minute. i'm with you. absolutely. i want a quiet cabin somewhere. take a look at the dow industrials. dow is up for i think all the wrong reasons. we had a lousy philly fed report at 10:00. the stock market went up because it decreases the chances for tapering. you don't think that's why? take a look at the 10-year yield. the 10-year yield was moving up until 10:00. and then boom. this moved down on the philly fed news. reducing the chances for fed tapering. let's look at the markets for the week. the markets overall this week, you know there hasn't been a lot of buyer interest. but there's nobody who's selling. interest rate sensitive groups like utilities have been weak. nasdaq has been a little bit weak because there's been high beta names, you know, your twitters and some of those stocks have been weak. look at the s&p. the russell 2000 is on the upside. let's call it largely a flat week. as for the retail, you heard earlier about williams-sonoma. target is a very interesting question. traffic down 1.3%. same store sales only up.9%. below expectations. declining traffic. that's not good. obviously the company wants to protect their margins. they don't want to have any fire sales at all. you can see target has done that well this year, guys. it's been not even up 10% on the overall market up more than 25%. that's a stock that needs a little bit of a refresh at this point. guys, back to you. >> it's funny. maybe the fcc is going to let us use a phone on the plane. the airlines will allow it. will the passengers allow it? >> we're getting viewer mail. great. now i'm going to sit next to somebody on the phone. how annoying is that? >> i'm for the text to be used. listening to movies. not people yammering next to me. we already have screaming babies is enough. we don't need screaming cell phon phones. >> thank you, bob. can this market sustain the momentum we've been seeing so far this year? it is hot. it could be the first close above 16,000 ever today as we see it up 104. tech nny ca nnicals could be po a top. >> walter zimmerman tells us what the technicals are saying. cnbc.com's jeff cox, we're not trying to give you a clue about that, but he's here to talk fundamentals. jeff, fundamentally. what do the fundamentals tell us about this side of the story? we hear about valuations. >> when you look at fundamentals, the fundamentals are good. they're not great, but they're good. the economy's good. it's not great, but it's good enough. i think that, you know, when you look at -- we got through earnings season. it was pretty decent. i think the forecast going forward is pretty decent. companies are holding tight here. to me, this market this year was all about headline risk. it was all about the things that were going on in the news. sequestration. fiscal cliff. the debt ceiling. europe. the middle east. everything else. we've kind of gotten through that. i do believe now it turns to fundamentals and we continue on this sort of slow growth track that's backed up with $85 billion a month from the fed and zero interest rates. you know, i think the path is pretty clear. >> all right. walter, what do you think? how do the technicals look to you? >> technicals continue to give warning signals. not sell signals. for instance, record high margin debt. as the upside momentum slows, you're getting waning upside momentum. bearish momentum divergence. you have a bullish sentiment extreme unlike any -- that has not been seen since the bursting of the nasdaq bubble. you have a situation where as the warning signals continue to proliferate, the market continues to chug higher. but the warning signals persist. so it's a situation where you know this won't have a happy ending. but from where? so what we've been focusing on is making sure that each new corrective retreat is consistent with a bull market correction and no more. so, for instance, coming into yesterday in the s&p, we needed 1773 to hold. and we very much absolutely needed a rally today. well, it held 1776. and then it rallied. but you still have waning momentum. >> right. >> you still have decreasing breadth. record high margin. there's some background influences that we don't like. we think the longer term trend is up in interest rates and up in the u.s. dollar. we think both of those markets have bottomed. and we think those markets are going to come back to kick the stock market. meanwhile, it continues to go higher. yes, it's a bearish rising wedge. but it's rising. so our suggestion is, nobody should be in this market without a protective sell stock. nobody should be in here without an exit plan. >> right. >> not just in your head, but tell your broker, hey, i want to be out if such and such a level breaks. >> got it. >> makes sense. >> we got to go, guys. sorry. breaking news, jeff, you'll appreciate that. thank you both for your thoughts. more on the possibility -- sorry. put that cell phone down. we're in during a television show. we're not flying an airplane. phil lebeau has more. >> a statement from the fcc and commissioner tom wheeler in regards to the possibility of allowing phone calls to be made on airplanes if they change the rules. he essentially says, modern technologies can deliver mobile services in the air safely and reliably. and the time is right to review our outdated and restrictive rules. technologically speaking, it may be time to review those rules. i should point this out, bill and maria. when they change the rules within the last month in terms of allowing people to use their devices below 10,000 feet, there was overwhelming evidence that people do not want other people to use cell phones on the planes. in fact, in one survey, people were more opposed to allows cell phone use than they were to allows passengers to be overintoxicated on flights. that gives you some indication of just how much people are against the idea of cell phone calls being allowed on commercial air flights. >> how would you like to be the guy that's sitting with everybody around you, using their cell phone at that time. i mean, they're making the change because they can. i mean, because technology has changed? why would they want to do it, then, if nobody wants us to do that? >> i think what they might ultimately do, bill and maria, is they will change the rules technically speaking and then leave it up to the airlines. in other words, the airlines would have to decide for themselves. you know there's going to be immense pressure by passengers and consumers to say, allow us to be able to text and to send e maims. but stop it with people being able to make phone calls. >> flying is such a pleasure otherwise. anyway. >> thank you, phil. 40 minutes left in the trading session. here we are in record territory for the dow and above 16,000 with a gain of 107 points right now. >> we're looking at dividend payouts. they are on track for a record year this year. also, mcdond's teald's tells workers, suggesting to them they sell unwanted possessions to bring in cash and to break their food into smaller pieces to save money. it's all a nightmare on this website. up next, we'll hear from somebody who says that kind of mcadvice wouldn't be necessary if the fast food giant paid its workers better wages. coming up. 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(both) i'm happy. i'm happy. happy. happy. happy. happy. happy happy. i love logistics. so here we go. mcdonald's offering some controversial financial advice to its employees. that is creating a backlash and giving the fast food giant some pr indigestion today. >> a group called low pay is not okay, has pilloried some of the advice mcdonald's gives employee. suggest employee take two vacations when the group says needing two jobs is more like it. singing away stress for health reasons. also it says break food into small pieces to eat less and feel full. the part getting the most attention is the suggestion that to dig out from holiday debt, workers might want to sell unwanted possessions online for quick cash. mcdonald's tells cnbc, quote, this is an attempt by an outside organization to undermine a well intended employee assistant resource website by taking isolated portions out of context. the company says it will be reviewing the content with a health and wellness firm it hired to create it to make sure it's useful. though it seems there will be little mcdonald's can do to make the folks at low pay is not okay quit complaining. bill and maria? >> i mean, i know there are always two sides to a story. and maybe some of them are being taken out of context. yes, it's been brought up by this pro union organization. but, still, come on. break your food into smaller pieces? >> i don't know what the point of that was. >> go to ebay to make more money? i don't know. let's talk to one employee at mcdonald's who is very familiar with this program. >> joining us now is erica perez. she's a cashier at a mcdonald's in chicago who says the program is insulting. erica, thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having me here today. >> so, do you use the mcresource program that mcdonald's offers? what kind of assistance does it provide? can you tell us about this program? >> well, the program is assisting for employees to give us advice on, like, how to break down our food so we don't waste too much money. or that you could apply for food stamps. but i think that's ridiculous. because, i mean, not everybody can get on food stamps. and they're just proving that they're not giving us enough money. and they're just giving us poverty wages. >> do you think this is a well meaning website that just lost its way? or are you just purely insulted by what you see on this website? >> i'm very insulted. because i can't believe they're actually asking us to sell our stuff away. that's our belongings. how are they going to expect us to sell our stuff away if we wasted so much money, we worked so hard to buy our things. they know, they're aware of what they're paying us. they're aware we're suffering. they're just telling us that they simply don't care about us. >> what are they paying? what is your hourly wage at mcdonald's? does your wage cover basic needs to live? >> no, it doesn't. i make $8.25. i can't even pay my school loans. >> you're 21, right? >> yes, i am. >> you started college. but you had to drop out because you couldn't afford it. >> yes. >> are you living at home? i forget. >> yes. i am living at home. i can't afford to pay my bills. i can't pay my cell phone bill. i can't pay my hospital bill. i still owe for my tuition. so i have that and i have back pay for all the things that i aren't paid for my loans. so, yes, i can't afford it. >> this job at mcdonald's -- you haven't been there that long, but is this sort of a holding time for you before you look for a better paying job? or, you know, what's your situation right now, erica? >> my reality is that i have to live on mcdonald's. i can't find another job. i'll find another $8.25 job. that's all there is out there right now. i can't go back to school because i can't afford it. >> i see. in terms of getting a better job, a higher pay job -- >> you need schooling, right? >> how would you go about doing that? >> i mean, i want to go back to school. but how can i go back to school if mcdonald's doesn't even bother to pay us more than what we deserve? i mean, making $8.25 is not enough. and it will never be enough. $15 is not like we're asking for too much. it's a living wage for everybody. not just for me, but for my other co-workers. >> have you spoken to your bosses about this? do they know you're on television today talking to us? >> actually, they do not know i'm on television right now. >> well, they do now. >> oops. >> yes, they do. >> erica, we certainly wish you well. we hope you get to keep your job. more importantly, we hope you can find that better job and get yourself back to school as well. good luck. >> thank you. >> stay in touch erica. good luck. final stretch. 30 minutes before the closing bell sounds on wall street. a market above 16,000 on the dow with a gain on the session of 106 points going into the close. consumers rejoice. stores already forced to offer deep discounts this holiday season. when we come back we'll find out if high-end retailer williams-sonoma will take that route to win shoppers. we'll talk exclusively to ceo laura alber. console wars officially on to get their hands on the xbox tonight at midnight. these are not people lining up to see "hunger games" tonight at midnight. the man who developed the original xbox says despite the hype it's game over for the consoles. i'll explain why later on the "closing bell." [ bagpipes and drums playing over ] [ music transitions to rock ] make it happen with the all-new fidelity active trader pro. it's one more innovative reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. get 200 free trades when you open an account. welcome back. tis the season for discounts. deep discounts. leading the way are gap and sister stores banana republic and old navy. courtney reagan keeping an eye on the 40% off. >> big sales are as much a tradition as santa claus sliding down the chimney. this year discounts are deeper. they're further reaching. they're running longer than they have in years past. retailers could be paying a hefty price. it's critical for retailers to please shareholders with higher traffic and sales. deep discounts or promotions attract consumer attention. naturally, the further the price is slashed the smaller the profit margin becomes. discounts are a necessary evil and basic tenet of retail. doing it too much trains the shopper not to buy at full price. many think the financial price is permanently changed consumer habits and what they expect from free shipping to extreme discounting. ron johnson learned the lesson the hard way calling coupons a trug. in that case, gap, banana republic and old navy brands are an addiction. take a look at these that came into my e-mail inbox. many of the analysts covering gap are calling out the uptick in the breadth and depth of promotions. 30% to 40% nearly consistently for these retailers. in store, online or both. wall street will know much more about how margins suffered from the seemingly incessant sales when gap does report earnings after the bell. jeffries says promotions have hurt gap's margins but expense -- >> thank you very much. we're going to look at one retailer that has been firing on all sidcylinders. williams-sono williams-sonoma. stock up 7% just today after reporting a 16% rise in quarterly profit. the home goods retailer also raised its guidance for the year. >> let's get right to it and talk exclusively with the ceo, laura alber. laura, good to have you on the program. thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks so much for having me. >> we had a report about retailers really being forced to discount this holiday season. are you falling into this category? how would you characterize the discounting? >> you know, it's been promotional out there for a couple years now. and it's a reality that we've embraced. we know that the most important thing for a customer is to buy products they love. but they also want great value. and that's what we do. we offer them great value and high quality products with probably the best service i would say in the malls. that's why i think they come back and build great connections with us. >> all right. ms. alber, if you could just wait just a moment. we are live television. we've got news. breaking news right now. we'll be right back with you. something on apple and samsung. >> bill, a jury here in san jose, california, just now deciding how much more samsung owed apple for infringing on apple patents. remember, apple said it was owed $380 million. samsung put the number around $52 million. a jury just now deciding samsung owes apple $290 million. now, just for background here, remember, it was a year ago that a jury awarded apple $1 billion. that was one of the largest patent cases in history. but the judge then cut about $450 million out of that $1 billion. said the jury miscalculated. damages, 6$600 million, wasn't n question. she ordered a partial retrial on the damages. the jury just now deciding that samsung owes apple that $290 million. you can expect a now appeal of this entire case. it's at that point, experts say, you might see some effects and impact on the broader smartphone industry depending on the verdict. maybe it's ultimately decided samsung did not infringe on apple patents. or maybe it's decided apple is going to be awarded even more. could be the first battle here in a long war. guys, back to you. >> wow. >> and the stock right now is trading up, actually. >> apple? >> on apple, yep. thank you so much. there's apple. >> back to laura alber. we apologizapologize. appreciate your consideration. for years, williams-sonoma, the retail store, not just the company itself, had a head start on high-end kitchen goods, kitchen items, gadgets and things. you've got a lot of competition out there right now. does that hurt your margins? you call this a promotional period. but you've got a lot of companies out there gunning for you with cheaper items that many people look to instead. >> you know, we have multiple brands. we're so fortunate to have so many of our brands that we developed exclusively with the same team over a large period of time. and we offer a lot of products that we design ourselves. pottery barn is close to 100% designed inhouse as is west elm. exclusives they do with different designers and collaborators are not found anywhere else. and so that has been the recipe that we've had in each of our brands, that it's allowed us to compete over the years. it's the same strategy we're now taking with the williams-sonoma brand as we transition away from goods that other people carry into more exclusives. >> what are you seeing from customers right now? are they opting for less expensive items than they were before? what are people gravitating to and what are you expecting to be the big sellers this year? >> you know, it's interesting to look across multiple brands. we have brands that serve different demographics and life stages, also. from pb kids to pb teen and pottery barn and west elm. mark & graham. the existing thing is exciting fresh product, great value, great quality. now that we're in the gift giving time of year, they're looking for things that are very thoughtful gifts that they can give. hence our focus on personalized gifts this holiday. >> one other question before we let you go. i keep harping on the competition thing. i'm sure that's what keeps you up nights. it never occurred to me until i read something today that people might go to your stores the way they go to a best buy. to see what's on sale. what products are out there. then they go buy it on amazon or some online retailer. i mean, that's another area that you've got to compete with right now, isn't it? >> it sure is. but we also have such an important direct business ourself. close to 50% of our sales are online. so what we see is people come to our stores. we build great connections with them. then we ship them the product to their home from our -- from our distribution center. they can really count on us to stand behind our products and give them that great service. >> all right. we'll leave it there. laura, nice to have you on the program. thanks very much. >> thanks for having me. i appreciate it. happy holidays. 20 minutes left in the trading session here. market just hanging on. right at the high of the day. up 106 points. comfortably above 16,000. above 16,000 and in record territory. >> we're on 16,000 watch. up next, baltimore known for its crabcakes, its harbor and a hub of science and technology research. soon it may be known for financial ruin. the latest installment of critical condition, saving america's cities. our bull and bear hit the screening room again today. hunger games is on the marquee. lionsgate is on the table as a candidate for your portfolio. stay tuned. americans take care of business. they always have. they always will. that's why you take charge of your future. your retirement. ♪ ameriprise advisors can help you like they've helped millions of others. listening, planning, working one on one. to help you retire your way... with confidence. that's what ameriprise financial does. that's what they can do with you. ameriprise financial. more within reach. the ocean gets warmer. that's what they can do with you. the peruvian anchovy harvest suffers. it raises the price of fishmeal, cattle feed and beef. bny mellon turns insights like these into powerful investment strategies. for a university endowment. it funds a marine biologist... who studies the peruvian anchovy. invested in the world. bny mellon. 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i know you've got some stock picks in terms of real specifics, dan. let's talk about this broader market. you want to bite here? >> it's a little tough after the run we've had. i would actually put money in the market. there's still a lot of money sitting on the sidelines. a trillion dollars more in money market funds than the average before the crisis. i think it's going to come in the next 12 to 18 months. we're still early. >> rob? >> i agree with dan. the answer is you can't look at the next quarter or next 12 months in trying to value a company. you have to be willing to have a three-year time horizon. as long as you've got the conviction sustainability of that growth there's some great values out there. >> could be values. but three-year time horizon, you've got to figure at some point in that three-year period the fed is going to start tapering. rates are going to go up. that's going to crimp the sil of the stock market. >> you got to have conviction that these are companies that control their financial destiny better than their peers. couple examples. pandora going to report in five minutes. three years from now they're going to earn two bucks. that's a company that we've got a lot of confidence in as an internet radio company. >> what about you, dan? is it that much more important for the market above 16,000, is it that much more important to find selective opportunities? really stock picks? >> it is definitely time to be more selective. the market has gone from cheap to fairly valued. time to spend time on the fundamentals. examples of that we're finding are things like fifth and pacific. the owner of the kate spade brand which we see as one of the fastest growing fashion names. we think it's going to emerge as a major brand over the next three to five years. earnings power of $1.50. kate spade alone the stock is at $30 now. management is doing the right things to clean up the company. they just sold off juicy couture. we like the focus there. >> you guys are obviously classic stock pickers. i think what you're suggesting is we're going -- we're transitions from a time when you could pick the whole market, basically, to being more selective in wanting to pick individual stocks. >> absolutely. you have to have conviction. >> do you worry about a sizable selloff here? what do you think? >> we haven't had one in a while. >> we haven't had one. we had one a couple months ago. >> 5%. >> 5%. then it was the buy on the dip. >> right. i mean, i think the real story is that the last ten years have been a gigantic bond market rally. the last five years a recovery from financial crisis. u.s. equities have been out of favor for essentially a decade. we have only just gotten back to, i think, some normalcy. i think it is buy the dips. i would buy now. but i think there will be a lot of nervousness around the tapering. likely to come next year. i think it will be probably the last great buying opportunity if there is a lot of nervousness around that. >> okay. >> we'll leave it there. good to see you both. thank you so much. heading toward the close. we'll have the closing countdown. dow starting to lose a little altitude here. it's going to be a squeaker. >> it is going to be a squeaker. could this be the day we close above 16,000 for the first time? stay with us. stay tuned. tion system, there are signs both political parties in washington get it: washington is lagging behind the country on this... ...this issue has been around far too long... and yet, we wait. reforming our immigration system would dramatically reduce our nation's debt... grow the economy by 5.4% ... and take bold steps to secure our borders. on this, both parties say they agree: democrats... we are very very strongly in favor of moving immigration reform... and republicans... we do want to make some progress in reforming our broken immigration system... and yet, we wait... amicans are tired of empty rhetoric. it is time for every leader to come through on their promise... and fix our broken immigration system tell congress: the time is now. fix america's broken immigration system. maestro of project management. baron of the build-out. you need a permit... to be this awesome. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. 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is it institutional largely? >> it's not institutional at this point in time. we sense that the institutions started pulling out a couple weeks ago because there was so much for the year. why play with fire. here's the thing that could happen. as long as these averages keep moving up and they start getting further and further away from their benchmark to relative performance, they may come back in. the week before thanksgiving according to the trader's almanac is typically a very bullish week. 15 of the last 19 years it's been up. we'll see what kind of movement we have. one thing people need to bear in mind, since earning season began, alcoa, s&p 500 is up about 9% in that short amount of time. institutions could come back in and start chasing a little bit because they have to for relative performance there. >> i learned long ago never to say it's different this time. something that's different right now when we were at 10,000, say, on the dow. when we crossed back for the first time, that made the nightly news at the top of the show. >> that's right. >> if we close above 16,000 tonight, that won't be the top of the show. it'll be somewhere down where they usually put the stock market news. my point is this public is still not enamored of the stock market even as we continue to set all time highs. >> for this year they're almost desensitized to it. the s&p 500, this will be about the 40th all time high we've set in the last year and a half or some statistic like that. it's every night. the market just keeps grinding higher. it's what we call a melt up. there's nothing real compelling catalyst pushing it up. but there's money coming in. there's been a lot of inflows into equity mutual funds in the last two weeks. outflows out of the bond funds. everybody wants a nice christmas present the end of 2013. >> what's most vulnerable here in terms of a selloff. >> you've always got the usual suspects. financials and tech. they always can get whip sawed pretty quickly. i tell you what, you look at things like the exchange operators, sme, ice, cibo, even nasdaq. they are getting to overbought levels. they're really pushing this market higher. i think people are favorable on the financials. it's a little tenuous right now what's going to happen with interest rates. but they're coming in, they want to chase some risk stocks again. that's what we're seeing. >> that's the other thing. even as long rates continue higher -- we keep saying, boy, if we get to 2.5% on the 10-year, that's really going to crimp the style of the stock market. we get there but the market keeps going higher. we get to 2.60, the.70, 2.80. here we are up 113 points. it seems the stock market doesn't care about interest rates right now. >> what we've seen is any time the 10-year gets close to 3% the fed will put the 10-year where they want the 10-year to be. that's the fact of the matter. we just got clearance on the impending fed chair janet yellen. janet yellen is the most dovish over there. when she gives her confirmation speech, i'm sure she'll say we're keeping policy the same. i really don't see them pulmoing back any time before march. this market is going to rally based upon that fuel. >> all right. i want to jump. we're on 16,000 watch for the next hour. good to see you. >> that'll be the top of your newscast. >> for sure. >> see you tomorrow. are there any head winds you see right now for this market? >> the only thing that could stop or cap this rally? >> not for the remainder of 2013. the only thing that i can see possibly at the beginning of 2014 is we have a looming budget battle that may come to pass inside of congress. especially with what happened today with the nuclear option happening in the senate. they could be a real battle in january. >> that's been undercovered. we were talking, some of the traders and i earlier today, that is a historic event. where the senate essentially ended the era of filibusters. >> that's right. >> the ability to stop a presidential nomination. >> when we get to 2014 and we have these more esoteric fiscal debates or even out in the open fiscal debates, that could really lay the groundwork for some, you know, knockdown, dragout fights that could really rattle the market a little bit. >> we would like to think that they don't have the appetite for that much angst again in washington come january. but then we're always surprised, aren't we? >> sadly, we are on that score. >> thanks, keith, very much. appreciate it. let's see if we go out above 16,000. it's very close. we got 20 seconds left and we're starting to lose steam just a little bit. we'll wait and see. stick around. second hour of the "closing bell" with maria bartiromo. please do join us for a special edition tomorrow. we'll see you tomorrow. a historic day on wall street as the dow industrial closes above 16,000 for the first time ever. it is 4:00 on wall street. do you know where your money is? hi, everybody. welcome back to the "closing bell." i'm maria bartiromo on the floor of the new york stock exchange. we are finishing strong on the street. markets melting up. up 109 points at the close at 16,010. just a fraction above 16,000 but we'll take it. volume on the light side here at the big board. nasdaq composite also strong. technology oneth
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[ applause ] it's 6-1. >> tim: ryan theriot came in, in place of marco scutaro in game two. an had a big hit to left centerfield. this spliter from mujica to, theriot waits on it and gets it by the diving kozma. for the sixth giant run. >> joe: the original five-run lead is back. that run is charged to rzepczynski. still responsible for crawford. he is the lead runner. kozma to his left. that ends the inning. the giants add one more. we'll turn it over to romo. going to ninth inning. trying to force game seven. leading same six 6-1. the old girl in? what? it's a brand-new camry. i just bought this. really? i just thought i'd take a look at the 2013 malibu eco. sure, you can. this malibu's a great value, with all new styling and it's an iihs 2012 top safety pick. this cannot be a brand-new car. what are you doing? i was looking for a cassette deck. 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[ cheering ] >> tim: slider. >> joe: two out. >> tim: to know what pitch a lot of pitchers throw. all you to do is watch the catcher. mover outside for romo, a slider is on his way. >> joe: now descalso with two out, nobody on. daniel, 1 for 3. this good bullpen for the giants flexing its muscles here tonight. affeldt, casilla, romo. strike one. >> joe: strike two. [ cheering ] >> joe: pagan. game over! game seven tomorrow night. [ cheers & applause ] >> joe: bruce bochy and his sixth season as manager of the san francisco giants. lead his team tomorrow night to try to get them to their second world series in his time here in san francisco. cardinals will be trying to fight their way back to defend their title. >> it's remarkable the fifth straight elimination game confronted head on by bruce bochy. and his giants have won every one of them. >> joe: his demeanor never changes. >> tim: no. >> joe: and this made it official. romo did his job. nobody did a better job tonight maybe in this series than the starter tonight, ryan vogelsong. let's go down to the field and erin andrews. >> erin: thanks, joe. ryan, incredible performance tonight. setting a new career record with nine strike-outs. you have been comfortable on the mound throughout the entire nlcs. what has been key? >> player: i didn't believe -- i believed that god had a plan for me. and all the hard work and all the travels, to japan and winter ball and he was setting me up for this moment. i just believe it's my time and he is with me. he is doing good things for me right now. >> erin: you mentioned this week this team has a way of feeding off each other. after watching barry's performance in game five, how did it affect you guys? >> player: well, you know, i just try to do the same thing he did was come out here and set the tone early for us. we jumped on carpenter there early and put some runs on the board. we played a great game. the guys played great defense for me. i just tried to emulate him and keep them off the board early and get momentum going our way. >> erin: this team mentioned, people counted them out four or five times by now. what do you anticipate game seven tomorrow, at&t park, this crowd, your crazy dugout? >> player: this place will be loud. i can tell you that. i anticipate coming out here and throwing a great game. us showing up like we have the last two nights. the outcome, i don't know, but i can tell you one thing it will be loud here. >> erin: congratulations. go enjoy it. thank you. joe, back to you. >> joe: erin, thank you. congratulations to ryan vogelsong. what a journey it's been for the right-hander. and it has all come together. for number 32 of the giants. we'll take a break and come back. talk about this one and set up game seven after this. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> joe: all san francisco here tonight. again, the final 6-1 in game six. game seven tomorrow night. we'll take you down to ken rosenthal. >> ken: blanco, it seems like you have been hot ever since you got to san francisco. you have five two-hit games in this series. how do you explain what you're doing offensively? >> player: i don't really know, man. just exciting to come to the field every day and having this opportunity, just being in the playoffs is amazing. that's what you work for all off-season and spring training. to be here, just, priceless. >> ken: you have got 2010 great performances out of zito and vogelsong the last two games. what do you expect tomorrow night out of matt cain? >> player: he is a gamer. you know, and i think tomorrow we just have to go out there and do our best. and try to score runs early for him, so he starts doing his thing. >> ken: yourself, you didn't make the major league debut until you were 26 years old and you played 11 years now. what would it mean for you to play in your first world series? >> player: i can't wait. that sounds so good. early in my career, didn't get respect in the big leagues and now i have an opportunity to be in the world series, fe me, i can't even imagine. >> ken: thank you. back to you. >> joe: thank you. congratulations to scutaro and the giants. 6-1 win here in game six. the last time there was a game seven in the nlcs, the cardinals were on the road. as they will be tomorrow night. that was adam wainwright with a strike-out of carlos beltran, now his teammate. after a dramatic two-run home run by yadier molina in the top half of the ninth inning. the cardinals went on to then taken to detroit tigers. and beat them in the world series. reminder, coming up next, except on the west coast, your local news. then join us tomorrow night. we're back here in san francisco. game seven of the nlcs. matt cain, kyle lohse. we'll see who will face the detroit tiger tigers in the fall classic. coverage begins at 7:30 even, 4:30 pacific. more information on tonight's game and other major league baseball news, go to foxsports.com powered by msn, the world's favorite sports site. for ken, erin, tim, i'm joe from san francisco. this is the nlcs on fox. prior to the world series on fox. we can't wait. i bet you can't either. game seven tomorrow night. captioned by closed captioning services, inc ♪ ♪ . complete bay area news coverage starts right now. this is ktvu channel 2 news. >>. pagan, it's over, game 7 tomorrow night! >> and with that, your san francisco giants win and force a decisive game 7 at home, nor that nlcs. >> good evening everyone and welcome to this special edition of ktvu channel 2 news. i'm heather holmes. >> i'm ken wayne. >> you saw it right here the winner goes on tot world series. >> an exstatic giant fans are pouring out of at&t park and we have live team coverage for you outside of the park and beyond. we start with our own john sasaki live at the ballpark. hi john. >> reporter: hi heather. it's kind of hard to hear you. this place is going nutses as you can imagine. there are more that 42,000 people at at&t park going absolutely nuts. i have to tell you, we were here two years ago in 2010 for the world series run and it's really starting to feel a little bit like that again. i'm joined by two sisters from antioch, angelena and erica perez. >> this is so awesome. they pulled through! they did it. my giants, i love them. we got this. >> let's go game 7. we got this baby! >> reporter: as you can see, they are going crazy. tomorrow night game 7 and tonight was the 5th game that they faced elimination in. in a row that they won. one more to complete their task of getting back to the world series for the second time in two years. live in san francisco, i'm john sasaki, ktvu channel 2 news. >> i wonder if john is going to made it earplugs. his ears will be ringing for a while. >> those fans don't look too much excited. [ laughter ] >> so what are the players saying about tonight's performance? >> this is the 5th straight elimination game the giants have paid. ktvu sports director mark ibañez is live on the field at at&t park. >> reporter: thank you, ken. you know the momentum switch in this series is clearly tangible right now. as you said they have staved off elimination and at this point, it's all even. the cardinals if you hadn't notice ready the ones staving off elimination. let's look at some of the early highlights. you could tell off the bat that ryan vogelsong had it going. he comes out and strikes out the side in the very first inning to squelch any idea that the cardinals might have of getting off to a quick start atch and vogelsong went on to a career-high 9 strike-outs. pablo sandoval with a shot to deep centerfield wound up with a 2-base hit and the giants because marco scutaro walked ahead of him were in good shape. runners at 2nd and 3rd. buster posey hits a grounder to 3rd and they challenge it. the grounder to freese winds up with a play and giants take the 1-0 lead. in the 2nd, they continue offensively. vogelsong with the fake bunt hit the ground and they can't come up with. the giants have another you run. 12-0. marco scutaro. how many times can this guy come through? clutch hit again down the left- field line. two runs score and that includes ryan vogelsong motoring from 1st base to make it 4-0. if that wasn't good enough, pablo sandoval just out of reach of descalso and the giants are out in front to the tune of 5-0. the way ryan vogelsong was throwing had you a comfortable feeling about this ballgame. with the way that vogelsong had things under control that tough cardinal line-up, it was a good victory for the giants. but their work isn't complete, although one felt secure very early onment we'll have some guests very soon, but we'll send it back to the desk. >> dominating performance by ryan vogelsong. >> at&t only holds 41,000 and change and so there were a lot of fans had to find is someplace else to watch the action. >> out in mccovey's a lot of people gathered. >> reporter: heather and ken, it's still very wild and very loud in here right now. you can see they are so excited. now this is a wonderful spot to enjoy the game. many of people here are regulars and say if you can't be at the game, you have to be here at mccovey's in walnut creek. the energy has been consistent throughout here. people having a great time, cheering. a lot of extra seats here family-style. so you really get to know the people next to you. it's quite eye crowd out here. i have annie thompson from walnut creek, a huge fan. what did you think of the game tonight? >> i loved it! it was so much energy. it was incredible. vogey did such a great job for us tonight. i loved it! >> reporter: a lot of people come out here for every postseason game. what do you think about the energy here at mccovey's? >> there is no better energy except for being at the game. it's great. so i love. it i live here, right up the street. i
MiamiFloridaUnited-statesJapanCrawfordSan-franciscoCaliforniaTurkeyAmericaErica-perezJoaquin-ariasAdam-wainwright only tell us he was looking forward to the discussion. white house aides say they favor this bipartisan package because if they only do a short-term continuing resolution, they have less leverage next year with more republicans on capitol hill. some of the most vocal and biggest opponents are at this typically white house allies. house democratic leader nancy pelosi who says she will vote no. many democrats are upset about weakening dodd frank banking regulation as part of this deal. maxine watts, the top democrat on house financial services says her message to fellow democrats is don't be intimidated by calls from the white house or others telling you to vote for this bill. house speaker john boehner noted earlier that this deal is bipartisan and bi cameral meaning democrats from the house and senate were also at the negotiating table. republican leaders have been trying to convince some of their members to join in supporting the bill but recognize there would be some defections from coconservatives who want to fight president obama's executive action on immigration now. bottom line, they have to pass something. time is running out, and so is the money with the clock ticking down, greta? >> mike, thank you. so why did congress let our government funding get down to the wire? they have known about this for months when the deadline is because they are the ones who actually said it and senator mike lee isn't wild about what happened in the senate today. he calls it a legislative grab bag and senator lee joins us. nice to see you, sir. today there is a defense bill in the senate. it passed but you voted no? >> i did. whether you have a 1600 page bill and it comes to the floor without ever having gone through a public committee hearing or public floor debate where amendments could be offered you have got a problem. whether you have to vote for it and pass it almost to find out what's in it that should be a warning sign. >> how how could anybody in good conscience vote for something like that. i have this objection with obamacare. if you are not going to read tore at least have your staff sit down and read it and brief it to you carefully. why do we need to send anybody to washington? you can do it from home. >> that's right. that's exactly the point. most of the people in congress. most of the 435 house members and 100 senators don't need to be there you just have a small handful of staffers, maybe a couple of senators and congressman get it done. those are the people who are reading and writing it. >> you grab bag. what didn't you like 'it? >> well, this was the best of our country in many ways because it's supporting our armed services. but, it also represented the worst of washington. for example, it had had tacked on to it. 500 pages of things that had nothing to do with defense authorization. things that just had to do with political projects that people wanted to get passed. and those deserve to be discussed independently of national defense and we need to be able to proceed with national defense on the merits of those issues. >> so, are you -- would you if you are in the house, if you are in the house, would you be team pelosi, maxine watters and even senator elizabeth warren because they don't like. dodz frank? >> you are referring to the cr omnibus or crawlmibus. a bill released at 8:00 p.m. tuesday night. they added another 100 pages or so to it in the last 24 hours. this is a big problem. here again, we have special favors for wall street and for k street and no real special favors for main street or middle class america. >> here is going to be the headline tomorrow for people who hate you senator mike lee doesn't like the military and voted against the defense budget. >> that's absolutely false. >> could that be the headline some place. >> no, i don't. the truths is i'm a member of the senate armed services committee and i was involved in the markup of this bill. >> i'm not saying it's fair but are you going to be accused of going against the military. >> i don't think so. i don't think there are any americans or credible journalist out there who understand this bill who are going to characterize it that way because that's not what this is. this is not a defense bill it is a hodgepodge grab bag of goodies for members of congress. >> a lot more optimistic about how the media will treat any vote than i am. >> i have every confidence in the america media's ability to tell the truth. >> i'm sure you have. the defense bill gets passed and the senate waits for this bill to come over from the house. it has to be voted on. when it gets to the senate. what's going to happen to the budget? >> well, we will see what happens. it's not clear at all it's getting to pass in the house of representatives in its current form. i think what may end up happening is we will end up with a short-term continuing resolution. a spending bill that takes us into the early parts of next year allowing the new republican majority in the senate and expanded republican majority in the house to set new priorities at the beginning of the year pushing back on executive amnesty. >> or if they wanted to do a short-term because they will run out of money at midnight. maybe they could do 24 hour or 48 hour short-term and work on it. >> that is another possibility and one that that is widely rumored to be in the works. continuing resolution short-term spending bill followed by a two or three month spending bill. >> why don't they just stay until they get a real one done instead of just keep passing. i know you are in the senate and the house. the idea that they keep passing these short-term ones. why don't they stay and get their jobs done? >> i think that would be a very good idea, especially if we were to take up the issue of creating a spending restriction for the administration just so that it can't impose its illegal redefinition of immigration law, granting amnesty for people who are not entitled to be here under existing law? >> do you, in general, have any problem to the fact that so much is voted on without being read? >> absolutely. i think it's malpractice it. i think it's legislative malpractice. you, gretas as a lawyer would never sign your name to a brief in court that you hadn't read. and so too i think it should be the case with lawmakers. we shouldn't vote for something that we haven't read or that at least we haven't skimmed through and had our staff read so that we understand the whole of what is in it. >> what percentage of the u.s. senate voted on the defense bill today do you think read the whole bill? >> i don't know. i make a point never to speak for my colleagues. >> okay, come on. do you know anybody that's read it. >> this has been out for only a few days. it would be hurricane leann feat to get through 1600 pages public record. that is exactly the kind of problem with law making. we need to get through the regular order committee debated and amended on the floor. >> you are like elizabeth warren on the other side of the spectrum. >> people don't typically associate the two of us but i see your point. >> anyway, senators a lot of activity on the house side tonight. nice to see you, sir, we will see what happens. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> and joining us our political panel, "the washington post" jackie kucinich and washington examiner chief political correspondent byron york. this san interesting night. we he have run out of money at midnight. >> i think this has been a comedy of errors by the house republicans. this didn't have to happen. there was no time since the election to do what you say do their jobs, to create this -- these large appropriations bills that will take us through the next year. what they should have done and could have done and probably will still do is pass a short-term bill that keeps all of the government funded at current levels for a couple of months. we come back, there will be a republican senate. it's going to be a different world and then work on spending priorities. >> you know, jackie, i have never -- i know i have been here many years in washington. i just don't get over the fact when you are passing these short-term bills it means you didn't do your work. sort of what we sent people to washington for. a lot of people got message about politicians. they still don't want to sit down, read the bill, discuss it, and vote on it and not go home until they have done the work that we pay them for and they agreed they could do. >> they bring these down to the wire in order to create this pressure. so, you do get lawmakers voting on things that maybe they necessarily wouldn't do if they, you know, actually had time to read the bill or there was time for debate. but i disagree with you, about this being different next year. i think this is a preview of the future where you have house democrats and liberal democrats and maybe some tea party republicans bonding together to it really muck up the gears. >> they have more time to do it. i will say, opposition with the republican base has just mushroomed in the last 24 hours. >> why? >> well, because first of all, there was a lot of talk about immigration. what are republicans going to do to counter the president's move on immigration? and then as that was happening, the house appropriators were working and coming up with a bill and throwing all sorts of other things into it and only today have a lot of people really realized that this is a huge bill, covers a lot more than immigration, funds the government at levels they don't like and you just heard senator lee allude to that famous nancy pelosi line about obamacare, we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it. you are hearing republicans abor now and that's not good for him. >> that is not good. jackie, inside this bill, is tucked away what leader pelosi doesn't like and what congressman maxine watters doesn't like and senator elizabeth warren over in the senate. and i bet senator lee sort of incident haded that he wouldn't like either. they have tacked on something that has nothing to with the budget which is banking provision to protect big banks on these swaps. on these trading of loans that are so risky that sunk us in 2008. why is that on this bill? >> again, it's one of these things. if they want to get it through, they tack it on in the last minute and hope that either people won't notice or they will just vote on it because they have noticed, indeed. democrats were in the room during these negotiations you have to wonder if they agreed to a deal without their caucus knowing that their caucus would react like this. >> and the white house has said. president obama doesn't approve of that. but, on balance, he would like to see the bill passed. so he has agreed to this. >> and pelosi is really upset about that. >> exactly. that and also this republican move basically changing our campaign finance laws. changing the mccain-feingold structure. why does that need to be decided in the next six hours? that's a bill that needs to be debated. >> it benefits them in the end. >> that's why they want to sneak it through. >> we are less than five hours away from the witching hour, midnight it seems inconceivable we have a shut down. i never really think we can't have a shutdown. so divided tonight that we could have this midnight shutdown. >> it seems to me they it will pass the three day extension, couple day exdeposition to try to hammer out their differences and get it done maybe by the weekend. >> which is the thing that i hate. you they have known about this deadline. they set this deadline. not like we came up with the deadline. the american people gave the deadline. congress picked this deadline themselves. >> as far as the short-term bill they can pass it like that. they could pass it within an hour the whole thing could be done. and you will probably see before midnight. and then we will go to what, saturday? >> yeah. and then they won't be able to agree on that and they will pass a 2 or 3 month bill. i don't think this big monstrosity is going to make it through. >> i have to show up here every night to do my job. i don't get that you show up to do your job. you show up to do your job. i don't get this business where you keep postponing it out into the future. if it's too hard maybe you shouldn't be in the job. >> i think a lot of republicans would say the government does too darn much. >> anyway, pam, stay with us. we have more to talk about a little later. this is a fox news alert. a powerful and dangerous storm crippling the west coast in northern california the storm knocking out power, disrupting air travel and forcing drivers on the famous golden gate bridge to hold on tight in the face of gusting winds. your fox first alert forecast is just minutes away. first influence correspondent claudia cowan live in california. claudia. >> hi, greta. this pounding rain and near hurricane-force winds just slammed into northern california today and provided plenty of dramatic pictures. all day long we have been watching the high surf just slam into the pier here in pacifica. some spots along the coast seeing waives as high as 27 feet. some of the inland areas up in sonoma and napa getting 9-inch of rain in this 24-hour long deluge. so much rain falling all at once. it caused widespread problems across northern california. roads were flooded. cars got stranded on freeways as some people make the best of things by getting around on a kayak. now, the storm also uprooted trees. in fact, we're told that a 12-year-old boy suffered a fractured arm when an 80-foot tree fell on him. that happened in santa cruz. power was knocked out all over the bay area. at last report 117,000 customers were still without power. authorities advising folks to stay off the roads if they can. especially up in the mountains where blizzard and whiteout conditions are expected to last through tonight. more than 240 flits cancelled today. long delays being reported as well. that's going to have a ripple effect as the evening wears on tonight. and for the first time in many years, schools across the bay area closed today, in fact, some are staying closed tomorrow. now, we do need the rain after three years of very dry conditions here in california. but weather experts say this is not a drought ender. in fact, they say we need 8 to 12 more big storms just like this. just to get back to normal. that's how low the state's reservoirs are, greta. they also say this storm will help replenish the drinking water supply and boost that sierra snow pack. that snow pack so critical to meet the state's water needs. now the storm is moving on south and los angeles will get the rain tomorrow. back to you, greta. >> lucky los angeles. need so much rain out there such a drought. now you have such a growth and come the dry season next summer suddenly everything is grown up and now you have got the fire season because there is so much growth to burn. >> i totally understand what you are saying. take the rainyway. we really need it. our reservoirs are so slow we will take any rain we can get even if it does lead to more fuel for fires later on. we will worry about that then. >> i totally understand. thank you, claudia. how long will the storms stick around. let's go to rick reichmuth. rick? >> greta. it's been a rough couple of days. three days really across the northeast with incredible snow across interior sections. wind and rain all across the coast. still dealing with the same storm. can you see it very slow mover, you put the radar into motion of what we think is going to happen over the next 24 hours or so. it will get out of here but very slow going. temps remain cool and see scattered snow flurries from time to time all across the northeast. at least through saturday morning and then the weekend is looking pretty good. out across the west is really all our troubles claudia was just talking about it san francisco on december 1st and second we saw a big storm over 3 inches of rain and now we are getting this one here. you talk about that drought. we need this rain but we need, again, so much more that some areas in northern california already have seen about 8 to 9 inches. but you see all that yellow and red, that's a very widespread area that has seen 3 to 6 inches. that is what we need to start to see. but it's been an incredibly windy storm along with this and that's why we are seeing the power outages, trees going over obviously. not done yet across central and northern california. see very big snow across the sierra, nevadas, snow levels 4,000 feet overnight and still more rain across the central coast. we also have the flooding concerns because of all that rain throughout the night tonight and then our next chance of rain there comes in on monday. but tonight into tomorrow, the rain moves in across southern california. we're going to see a lot of areas 1 to 2 inches, with the higher elevations, mountains just to the north of malibu looking at 3 to 4 inches of rain and snow across some spots there also. take a look at this though. i want to show you this, greta. this is where our drought is worst drought anywhere in the country. last two years, take a look at the deficits here. redding, california, almost 26 inches below what you should have over the last two years. san francisco 21, l.a. almost 17 inches. that's why we need so much rain. we need probably 20 to 25 inches of rain in the next couple of months in in order to bust this drought. hopefully we will get close to that but come with a cost with flooding and threat for mud slides. greta. >> what a nightmare in california. rick, thank you. >> you bet. >> and to the cia interrogation, enhanced or torture. john brennan responds to the cia torture report. plus we have a response from president bush. that's next. also, general bob scales accusing liberals of turning out our warriors, he is here to tell you what he means why that notre dame has a course. it is called white privilege. do you think about that? 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>> what i mean is it's an academic term that's called moral equivalency, early in a war, the antiwar liberals don't object to the war because they are afraid and the american people are behind the war. then after the war, when people feel safe, it starts nraive is consistent. hitler a horrible man. he killed 6 million jews. but we bombed dresden in 1945. yes, the japanese did terrible atrocities but the argument then moral equivalency yeah but we dropped the atom bomb on hiro hiroshima. this is a similar sort of thing. >> former harvard law professor alan dershowitz agrees in the wake of 9/11 everyone wanted torture used. >> right. >> there are a couple things, number one is whether it worked. two is who knew about this. >> yeah. >> three is that everyone who is supporting it now is spaying that a legal memo of the justice department okayed it. and i'm not sure why we have a couple lawyers at the justice department making the decision for the nation. i sort of want the president and in a debate in congress that's where the discussion lies now. >> isn't it interesting that we wait until al qaeda is on the run and the terror threat has been minimized. it's been 13 years before all sawfden everyone wakes up to the problem where were they in 2004. >> i mean, i didn't know about it then. >> i think most of us who followed it closely knew that some form of intense interrogation was going on. i think it was fairly common knowledge. certainly in the mitary for sure in the cia and probably on the hill. and i think the american people out of here of perhaps a terrorist nuclear attack. perhaps a reprise on the west coast were standing back and allowing this type of thing to go on. >> i mean, i agree, we shouldn't look at incidents 2014 eyes. we should look at it during the eyes of when it occurred can. >> exactly. >> and what was going on. there is some -- rectal hydration. i mean, there were just some things that are so bizarre. what in the world do we think we get with that? >> well, first of all, i don't know. and if you talk that is pretty gruesome. >> if you talk to the cia people they will say that whole thing had a different purpose other than torture to it but the point is that all of a sudden folks start turning on the warrior class. it happens after every war when they feel safe enough to go back and pars every action that was made in extremists, in the height of combat at a time when america was frightened, turning to the military and the cia to keep them safe and then once they feel safe, then it's time to go back to moral equivalency. >> i read one report, 80 million was paid to two psychologists to come up with infair gation process. 80 million. who authorized that and for frankly 80 million bucks try to chase somebody with a hatchet if you want to scare somebody. i don't understand that $80 million. $75,000 a day or something. >> yeah. i guess my take on that is that the military has had rules in place. actually had a manual in place for over 40 years about how to do interrogation legally. the cia actually borrowed it in 2006 when they got their act together. >> 80 million? >> that's ridiculous. then again it's also the pentagon. >> the pentagon wants to know what to do. come to me i will do it 40 million. i may even do it -- >> -- i will do it. >> 15,000. >> okay. i will do it for 10. >> anyway. general scales, always nice to see you, sir. >> thank you, greta. >> george h.w. bush releasing a statement saying in part nearly four decades ago it was my privilege to go to langley to lead the men and women of the cia at a contentious time. during my short time there i learned firsthand that they are among the very finest people serving in the united states government. i felt compelled to reiterate my confidence in the agency today and to thank those throughout its ranks for their ongoing and vitally important work to keep america safe and secure. and if you want to see president bush completed statement go to gretawire.com. and straight ahead. well, all eyes are locked on the chaos on capitol hill. what about isis? is president obama breaking his promise? the latest is next. ey's always . credit cards. -mortgage. -debt. it's complicated. it's not easy. i'm not a good budgeter. unfortunately, i'm a spender. i would love to learn more about finances. so there's questions about the world that all of us have, especially about money and finance. the goal of khan academy and better money habits and the partnership we're doing with bank of america is to give people the tools they need to empower themselves. motor trend's 2015olf car of the year. so was the 100% electric e-golf, and the 45 highway mpg tdi clean diesel. and last but not least, the high performance gti. looks like we're gonna need a bigger podium. the volkswagen golf family. motor trend's 2015 "cars" of the year. tonight, disturbing new questions about the u.s. strategy to combat isis. it has now been three months since president obama took to national tv and said. this. >> we have ramped up our military assistance to the syrian opposition. tonight i call on congress again to give us additional authorities and resources to train and equip these fires. >> so, has that all happened yet or any of it? fox news national security correspondent jennifer griffin joins us from the pentagon. jennifer, i hear you chuckle at my question. >> the fact of the matter is, no. that has been the most striking thing about the testimony that we have been listening to the administration's point person on iraq and iran. he was asked point blank by republican ted poe of texas whether the vetting had begun. his answer no. in fact, he revealed that the administration is still in discussions with turkey about using its bases to train some of the 5,000 members of the moderate so-called moderate syrian opposition which are the key to the president's strategy. it's been three months as you mentioned since the president stated the pentagon would vet, train, and equip moderate syrian forces on the ground during that prime time address from the white house on september 10th. there are serious problems becoming apparent with the strategy in syria. u.s. air strikes may be damaging the moderate rebels more than they are halting isis. a new study published by james defense suggest the u.s. led air strikes have allowed isis and assad to consolidate power. in fact, they have stopped targeting each other. isis is focused on eliminating the very moderate opposition groups the u.s. hopes to eventually train and equip. out of more than 900 operations that james defense looked at. assad has targeted isis only 6% of the time since the u.s. started those air strikes. syria, meanwhile is letting u.s. warplanes deal with isis while it too moderate opposition that the u.s. hopes will serve as its ground troops. in other words, there may not be a moderate syrian opposition once the u.s. program to train them is up and running, greta. >> jennifer, why hadn't this been done? >> well, the problem is it's very difficult to find these moderate syrian members. i remember sitting in the pentagon briefing room asking secretary hagel shortly after this began after the president made this big to do that they were going to begin training. asking him who the head of the free syrian army was. that's the so-called moderate force that they were supposed to vet train and arm. he didn't know the name of the free syrian army. they are being assassinated by isis. and they are approaching any moderate syrians on the ground are being told to join isis or be slaughtered. so, it's going to be very difficult to find these moderates and one of the problems is that as all these months go by, with no training beginning, they also had to negotiate with turkey and saudi arabia to train on their territory. and that's going slowly in turkey. but, as this time goes by, isis is simply slaughtering those that he we would want to work with. >> jennifer, thank you. and our political panel is back. "the washington times" cheryl chummily, the "the washington post" jackie kucinich and washington examiner chief political correspondent byron york. cheryl, first to you, when the president t gave a speech, september 10th. he said he wanted to do these things. to help with the moderate syrian to fight assad, and but he had to get the money from congress. well, then i thought maybe congress didn't give him the money. september 18th. 8 days later he had had the money to do. this it was authorized to approve $220.5 million. what's the problem? >> well, greta, the fact is this president never wants to take hard action when it comes to foreign affairs. he never wants to take any type of strong stance. he military at all in any kind of overseas conflict. so what he basically did, with the back drop of two american journalists being beheaded. and polls showing that his foreign policy was falling in favor with the american citizen, he he had to come out and make some kind of a strong statement, you know, it was at a time when the elections were heating up and he was worried about his democrats keeping office. so these are are all playing on his mind as he comes out and makes what he hopes is a strong statement. >> you know, byron, the president doesn't make decisions very quickly to paraphrase what you said. is that if he had taken senator john mccain's advice a year earlier with the free syrian army, it was a more identified group and we knew a little more about them. >> the question with syria has always been are there any good guys or maybe just not really terrible guys that we could arm and assist in this? and first of all, the president's plan was really long term. i mean, we are not supposed to start training these guys until march of next year. it's or 8 or 9 program. ready to go by the beginning of 2016. it wasn't like this urgent last-minute plan the president had. >> you can't drop of the time it was a year before we had the red line because assad was gassing his people before isis even exploded on us. >> but then we start sending weapons over there after the president talks in september and we see some of those falling into the hands of isis. well, who can we trust over there. and i don't think they still know the answer. >> well then that goes back to the strategy. what in the world is our strategy over there? >> now, when members of the house and senate were voting on, this they said this is the least bad option out of a lot of bad options. and they expressed a lot of the concerns that byron has talked about, about the weapons falling into enemy hands. it looks like it's happening. it doesn't seem like there are any good options. and that is bearing out. >> you know, cheryl, we're all looking at midnight. the government is going to run out of money at midnight. and, you know, nobody is really paying much attention to isis. but, you know, it's after the beheading of the two americans, everyone was so -- paying so much attention. but our attention is now diverted. this is now getting a worse situation there. >> well, there are no good answers in it now. and actually, if you go way back to the start of obama's presidency, he has never been firm on foreign affairs. and that telephone graphs a message to those around the world who wants to do harm to americans that it's a free for all. you could see that as he kept constantly kept drawing a red line in syria and then polling back is it was a being mowing that america was taking at that point. >> it's gotten to a mess, hasn't it? >> yes, it has it's true that the indecisive and problem from hell. we don't know who we can trust -- you know what byron, the thing with isis is deeply disturbing. many had the sense that the president didn't know what he was doing. in january of last year. less than a year ago he said that isis was a jv team and suddenly his foreign policy changes in august when two americans get beheaded and all of a sudden he discovers who isis. meantime the national bank in iraq had fallen. fallujah, which we lost, i don't know, about a hundred of our troops which is most important battle in 2004 and 2007. fallujah had fallen. there is a lot going on that seemed to be ignored. >> he is working on the constraint of not using any american ground troops in this. >> well, he is the commander and chief. >> he is. but, there is so far there is really no public support to send american combat troops back to iraq. if he wants to lead on that, he can. but that's something the public real willly opposes. >> i'm not suggesting we do that. he did want the job. he dot want to be the commander and chief. at least we need a strategy so we can figure out. instead we hear that isis is growing. it's not a very good sign. anyway. we may be out of money by midnight. panel, thank you. and developing now, new clues in the grizzly mystery murder of the mississippi teen set on fire. new haunting surveillance video just surfaced. you will see it next. plus, why would notre dame be offering a course on white privilege. i will tell you what i think offer the record of course, coming up. for over a decade, doctors have been prescribing nexium to patients just like you. for many, prescription nexium helps heal acid-related erosions in the lining of the esophagus. there is risk of bone fracture and low magnesium levels. side effects may include headache, abdominal pain, and diarrhea. if you have persistent diarrhea, contact your doctor right away. other serious stomach conditions may exist. avoid if you take clopidogrel. nexium 40 mg is only available by prescription. talk to your doctor. for free home delivery, enroll in nexium direct today. then boom... what happened? 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>> greta, the da and the sheriff coming out here in panola county saying they do not expect an arrest in this case any time soon they have interviewed a lot of people and within work withing extensive hours. they do have the vape that you just mentioned that showed jessica going in and out of that gas station. the mbi, the mississippi bureau of investigation took five bags of the evidence that i saw from jessica's car. you have her cell phone records that have come in. they have been reviewing those as we speak. you have her words first responders right before she died. they say that she did give them some information that may help them in this case. you have the official autopsy report that is due tomorrow. that will be made available to law enforcement. that will not become public record as it is still part of the evidence district attorney and sheriff asking for the public's help. the da and the sheriff saying one of the big problems in cracking this case no one is coming forwards. no one is really saying anything. there hasn't been a lot of chatter on the streets. greta? >> tom, how much -- what time was she in that video at the gas station and then how much longer before they found her? i know she was alive when they found her. how much time passed that was the first thing and where was the distance they found her from the gas station? >> greta, the time that elapsed between when that video was taken -- i believe that video says 6:50 on the video is 5:50. some mixup in the hour that it was recorded. there is about a two and a half mile difference between there and the crime scene. and once again, she was found in the wee hours of the morning from what i'm told. known has seen her interact with anybody from that gas station. at least we don't know. >> if you look closely at the video. she does walk off camera at some point and say something to someone. we don't know if they have identified that person or what was said. but that was a gas station that's right around the corner from where she lives that she frequented on a regular basis. >> tom, thank you. and what a terrible, you know, terrible story and a terrible tragedy. thank you, tom. >> and a frightening scene on a freeway bridge. the race to save the lives of four small children is caught on camera. that's next. right now, subscribe to greta talk in our latest edition we are talking about representative cathy mcmorris rogers. she is not only the chair of the house republican conference but she is also the mother of three children, including a 7-year-old son with down syndrome. talk about multi-tasking. this woman does it subscribe to greta talk right now it's free on itunes, stenture and tune-in. if you're taking multiple medications, does your mouth often feel dry? 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JapanFallujahAl-anbarIraqTexasUnited-statesIranTurkeySonomaCaliforniaSan-diegoSyria for interrogation tactics the president himself has described as torture. >> do those details warrant going back and reexamining whether people should be prosecuted? >> decisions about prosecution are made by career federal prosecutors at the department of justice. >> the justice department says the federal prosecutors who looked into the program won't be launching a new investigation. based on the report from the senate intelligence committee's democratic chair, dianne feinstein, trial or no trial, the c.i.a. has big names coming to its defense, from former vice president dick cheney who blasted the report on fox news. >> i think it's a terrible piece of work, we did exactly what needed to be done in order to catch those who were guilty on 9/11 and to prevent a further attack and we were successful on both parties. >> this report says it's not successful. >> the report is full of crap. >> what stunned me about the report most was the fact that it was written in the way it was written. it's an unrelenting prosecutorial document. >> both men say the c.i.a. is right in asserting that harsh interrogation techniques like those shown in the film "zero dark 30" prevented attacks and saved lives. but on the crucial question, the white house takes no position. >> it's impossible to know the accounts are factual. it's impossible to know whether or not this information could have been obtained using tactics that are consistent with the army field manual or other law enforcement techniques. >> the c.i.a. is lying. >> colorado democratic senator mark udall called on the president to clean house in the c.i.a. he said an internal investigation of the program found the agency repeatedly misled congress about the brutal tactics. >> the president needs to purge his administration of high-level officials who were instrumental to the development and running of this program. from director brennan, that means resigning. >> but the white house is saying that is not happening. white house press secretary josh earnest described brennan yesterday at the white house briefing as a decorated professional and a patriot. and john brennan will have a chance to defend himself when he holds a news conference at the c.i.a. this afternoon. alisyn and chris? >> that will be interesting. let's go over to chris. >> there seems to be lot of moving in circles around this. let's zero in on the allegations and bring in bill har lowe, a former c.i.a. director of public affairs, he was with the fartherment during the early years of the bush administration. thank you for joining us this morning. the headline for you would be based on what you named your website, if the c.i.a. saved lives, it did it despite the tactics you were using rather than because of them. do you accept that? >> not a bit, no. that's totally wrong. the reason those lives were saved is because the c.i.a. was able to get valuable intelligence out of a handful of very senior terrorists and get it out in a timely fashion, which allowed us to take down the senior leadership of al qaeda and rip it root and branch out of places where it had been festering and we were able to stop numerous potential attacks that would have harmed the homeland and our allies abroad. >> understood, but the question of how you did it comes into play using what is now regarded as a set of torture tactics that may not have helped forward your cause. is that fair criticism? >> no, it's factually incorrect. the tactics that were used on a handful of detainees proved enormously useful. the amount of information that came from these same detainees before they were subjected to enhanced interrogation and the amount that came out of them afterwards, complete difference, enormously much more productive after the eits. these weren't the type that would easily succomb to a good cop situation where you buddy up to them and we didn't have the time to wait. we didn't have the time to sit around and see if they would eventually come around. remember what was going on at the time this was at a time when we had word that bin laden had met with pakistani nuclear scientists. we had richard reed lighting his shoes on fire on airlines. we had anthrax attacks in the united states while we were finding anthrax labs in afghanistan. there was a ticking time bomb. we had a handful of people we knew were involved in 9/11, we felt with great confidence, might be involved in the next attack. and we didn't have time to wait around and see what we could learn from them and we learned an enormous amount. >> it was exactly that motivation of desperation and perhaps haste that is the basis of criticism of the tactics now that you were acting more quickly than gently. listen to john mccain and what he has to say about whether or not the extreme tactics produce good information, please. >> i do know that from any experience with this kind of treatment, that if someone is subjected to enough physical pain, that person will say whatever is necessary in order to make that pain stop. and that's why there's also a wealth of misinformation that comes out of people who are being subjected to it. >> truth? >> the situation with khalid sheikh mohammed, the man who cut danny pearl's head off. he was subjected to harsh interrogation for a couple of weeks, tough couple of weeks, he was in our custody for three or four years after that. and provided a wealth of information. much of it, almost all of it was accurate information, verifiable, which helped us take down al qaeda cells across asia and elsewhere. it's a different situation, rather than someone just stopping after a second. they were providing actual intelligence for years to come, information we could check out and verify, so we knew the value of it. it's not a fair comparison to say it's just like stop, i'll tell you anything to get you to stop the pain. that's not the way it worked. >> so basically what i'm taking from you is you condone the use of torture. you think it's effective and there's a good reason it was on the table and used. >> that's not my position at all. i condone the use of harsh interrogation. >> is that another word for torture? >> no, it's not. these techniques were approved by the u.s. government. >> does there being approved make them not torture? the stuff you were doing with the hose and the guy who died of hypothermia. >> yes, the tactics that were approved were approved by the justice department specifically to make sure this is not torture. and the c.i.a. went back to themnd said are you sure this is not torture and the highest level decision-makers said yes. >> don't you think one of the reasons that you kept going back to the doj is it didn't seem right to you? >> we have validating them, because sometimes public officials said things that sounded like they were backing away from it. the c.i.a. wanted to be sure we were on solid legal ground. we would go back on our website, c.i.a. saves lives, you can see actual documents where the c.i.a. goes to the national security council and asks for the department of just toys verify that we're within the rights and night violating international law, u.s. law and they would come back to us with the verifications. when they were slow to come back, we stopped the perhaps once or twice, we're not going on until we're sure these are legal. >> if you could go back again and do it the same way? >> begin the same set of circumstances it would be entirely logical to do the same type of things, there were some mistakes made, some problems in the program and we should have done a better job of writing down what members of congress said back to us when we were briefed on it. >> do you think the u.s. should be engaged in these kind of tactics going forward? >> these kind of tactics should be used in the most extreme circumstances. if you doesn't think sitting around after 9/11 hearing there might be a nuclear attack on the united states, is an extreme circumstance, then you have a different definition than i do. one of the most dangerous khorasan operatives may still be alive after all. u.s. official tell cnn a french jihadist considered a master bomb-maker was likely not killed in a u.s. air strike. he was likely hurt, but received medical attention. let's go to barbara starr for more. >> you'll recall the khorasan group is the group of hard-core al qaeda operatives in syria the u.s. has conducted several airstrikes against the group. two u.s. officials are telling us they believe one of the key operatives, daveed drujean did not die in an air strike several weeks ago they believe he is still alive. based on intelligence they have been gathering. drujean is a very serious concern as a bomb maker. he knows how to make weapons, explosives that can potentially get past airport screenings, so that is a major concern. where is he? is he still capable of functioning? and making those types of bombs. in addition, they now believe the leader of the khorasan group is still alive and has not perished in any of the months of strikes against the khorasan group. so even as the war against isis inside syria goes on, this unique, very dangerous group of al qaeda operatives in syria still being tarthed by the u. targeted by the u.s., but it looks like they haven't gotten any of the top leadership. there's more headlines, over to michaela. security is amped up higher in the west bank as a senior palestinian official who died during a clash with israeli troops is laid to rest. in response, president mahmoud abbas has halted any communication with israel. >> yes, michaela, the funeral for this minister in the palestinian authority has come to an end, but we've been hearing in the distance what sounds like stun grenades, there's an israeli settlement not far from here, so it a peers that clashes are under way. this autopsy has come out for his death, the autopsy was interestingly conducted by jordanian pathologists who the palestinian authority requested take part, as well as an israeli team and palestinians. but there seems to be disagreement over the cause of death. the palestinians are saying that it was, the result of asphyxiation caused by the fact that he inhaled too much teargas, he was pushed and shoved and grabbed by the neck by israeli soldiers, and as a result he vomited and choked on his vomit. the israeli pathologist, who aren't signing the autopsy, are saying it was caused by the fact that he had a weak heart and had a heart attack caused, brought on by the stress of the physical altercation he had with the israeli troops. michaela? >> ben wedeman reporting from ramala. back at home will government lawmakers avoid a government shutdown? the house gears up to vote on a $1.1 trillion spending bill. lawmakers from both sides of the aisle tucked in dozens of items into that legislation. senator elizabeth warren is urging democrats to not back the bill unless one provision is killed. a woman's body was found in the trunk of the family car. police believe the body belongs to the boy's mother, erica perez, her husband, daniel perez is now considered a person of interest in this case. the boy's aunt gave a tearful plea begging daniel 0 bring them home. >> don't hurt them, please, they're innocent, don't do this please, danny, just drop the kids off. please, you're breaking our hearts, we don't know where the kids are, they need us, they need us right now. please bring the kids back, danny, please. >> except for a fifth son who was with his grandmother. the family's honda was found last night close to their home. the nfl has a new personal conduct policy for the players, the league's owners endorsed the new policy that takes effect immediately. prohibited conduct that calls for independent investigations reps for the players say they're not happy about it, had no input on the new policy. we'll be hearing more about it as the players union say no, we didn't sign off on it. >> are the players supposed to have input into the laws that bind them? i don't know about that argument. >> it is just one side of it. it seems that this is raising a lot of problems, we'll take them on later in the show. another thing we got to talk about, there's a storm that's set to slam into northern california. by any definition is a monster. heavy rain, hurricane-force winds, there are frantic emergency preparations going on across the area. let's bring in chad myers, meteorologist, fair to say this is a classic case of too much of a good thing? >> no question. you want to get the drought fixed, one inch of rain at a time, not six or ten inches at a time and certainly they'll have wind gusts near the top of the villages, 120 miles per hour. but the storms in the northeast still isn't done, either. the fierce nor'easter still packing a wallop. the deadly storm claiming at least two lives. more than 30,000 people still without power wednesday night. >> we expect to be continuing to work restoring power into saturday. >> residents digging out from nearly two feet of snow. on the roads, heavy snow and gusty winds made driving treacherous, causing multiple accidents, many cars stuck as police try to help. traffic at a standstill, some 15 miles of interstate 81 shut down for several hours. this, as the west coast braces for what could be the biggest storm in five years. heavy rains already triggering flooding in washington state. some residents along the coast forced to evacuate. as surging waves crashing into the eroding shore leaving home after home destroyed. >> this is incredible. this was wind-driven waves over the top of my deck. wiped everything out. >> and those waves continue. some of those waves out in the ocean up to 16 feet high crashing onshore. back to the northeast here, we're still seeing snow in buffalo, toronto, back into new york city. new york city for effect. but it could be a couple slick spots, we did see some snow totals up to about 20 inches across parts of upstate new york and vermont and a couple of feet of snow possible in the town south of the niagara frontier and all the way. if you're flying into san francisco today, expect major delays as winds will gust to 50 miles per hour. planes don't like to land very quickly at 50 miles per hour. they want to space those planes out. which means your arrival rate and departure rate will be going down. you won't be getting as many planes on the ground as you would like. flash flood watches for the coast, blizzard warnings, san francisco could see winds to 60 or 70, it will bring trees and power lines down. 30,000 people in the northeast still without power, i expect the number to go higher than that in california. >> a lot going on out there. chad myers, thanks so much. more fallout for bill cosby. a woman who says he drugged and raped her in the 1970s is trying a new strategy to hold the comedian responsible. we'll explain. >> it's an interesting theory. you'll be surprised by it. did you hear about this guy -- 12 days lost at sea. getting word that the search for him was over. what did he do to survive in and listen to this, not only is he found, but word of the ordeal winds up creating a reunion for him, you will not believe. ♪ turn around ♪ every now and then i get a little bit hungry ♪ ♪ and there's nothing good around ♪ ♪ turn around, barry ♪ i finally found the right snack ♪ [ female announcer ] fiber one. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, shopping online is as teasy as it gets. carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple? 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>> well, he has said through his spokespersons, that those allegations are absolutely false. that he doesn't know tamara green. that this assault never happened in any way, shape or form. and that these are in fact discredited allegations. >> let me read for our viewers what tamara green has said about bill cosby. she said he called me a wrecking ball, but never sued me for defamation. my statements against him were actionable if they were false, he didn't open that can of worms, because my statements were true. mr. camarata why has she waited so long to come forward with this claim of defamation in that case? >> it seems that that statement was given on december 5th, just recently. frankly, she didn't know that she had available to her, this type of claim. and we advised her, this was an avenue that was appropriate to be followed and pursued. to have her day in court. to have a forum where truth can be tried, where both sides can be heard on the issue of whether or not there was a sexual assault. if there was, she wins, if there wasn't, mr. cosby wins. each side will be able to get their witnesses and their evidence and present it to a jury and a jury will decide. >> so in other words, he will have to testify, he will have to somehow be deposed or go public for this lawsuit? >> that's, that's what's expected. because at its core, the issue is whether or not miss green was telling the truth. if she was telling the truth, then when mr. cosby is called, publicly branded her a liar, as the complaint maintains, then he was not telling the truth. so it needs to be squared up. and yes, the testimony of mr. cosby is relevant to the issues of whether or not he was there, whether or not he knew tamara green, whether or not he gave her pills, whether or not he sexually assaulted her. and so those are issues that are relevant to this lawsuit. >> mr. cosby's camp through his attorney have called this false. here's the statement they've put out. we are very confident that we will prevail in this proceeding and pursue claims against the attorney who is filed this action. they're not just pursuing a claim against tamara green, they're going after you. >> well, let them bring it on. you know, let them take his best shot. i just think it's the m.o., their tactics, but we've got a case, it's been filed appropriately in court. we have a forum like i said, where truth can be tried in our system of justice, we don't engage this hand-to-hand combat on street corners. we have a battleground, the battleground is in a courtroom. and so if supposedly we did something wrong, well they can tell it to the judge and the judge will take it up. >> it will be very interesting to see what develops with this defamation lawsuit. joseph camarata, thanks so much, nice to see you this morning. let's go over to chris. >> alisyn, the next story is like something out of a movie. 12 days lost at sea, no food, no water, no hope as the word came that the search was being called off. a 66-year-old fisherman endured this off the coast of hawaii, how he stayed alive and a bizarre twist. how much money do you have in your pocket right now? 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a growing number of people in our country believe hard work no longer pays off. i want to show you this "new york times"/cbs poll. just 64% of americans say it's still possible to start out poor in this country, work hard and become rich. 33% say it is not possible any more. the highest pessimism rate in 20 years, i've decided i'm going to do an unofficial mp "new day" poll. can you work hard and have a good life. i think you know what i mean, start poor, work hard and become rich. let's bring it here is my. >> just have a good quality of life. yes, but i still believe you can start poor, work hard and become rich. but the great equalizer has always become education and now that tuition is so prohibitively expensive for people, that's what's making it harder to have the american dream. >> contrast, facebook, please let us know what you think. we try to incite these types of dialogues. i take the mp position, which is how she lives her own life. she works very hard, but for a purpose that makes her feel good about her hard work. a key for people, very often people work very hard these days for no good reason. i take the mp way. >> the quality of life. i like that. how about this one -- 67-year-old fisherman lost at sea for near will two weeks. true story, back home. and now, his estranged son is preparing to reunite with him. the two have not spoken since the '90s, ron ingram was found alive tuesday, 12 days after his boat went missing in the pacific ocean. an amazing story of survival and now a reunion. >> rescuers thought he had died at sea. but after nearly two weeks in rough seas, fisherman ron ingram is clearly alive and well enough to crack jokes. >> i was out of water, but i hydrated on fish, i'm a fisherman, so i caught fish and that's what, wasn't as good as a sushi bar, but that's how i hydrated. >> a true fisherman's tale. on thanksgiving day he made this call for help as his 25-foot sailboat was taking on water. >> mayday mayday maydayment i'm in the middle of olenoid channel. >> he said current sucked his boat 200 miles away from where he was trying to go, in the waters off the hawaiian island of oahu. >> i tried all through the night, the weather came up, i couldn't make it. >> after four days, called off the search for the boat, they couldn't find it that's when ingram's son zachary got a call from the coast guard telling him his dad was missing. >> the commanding officer of the coast guard told me they were going to call off the search. i just, i broke down and started crying. >> miraculously after 12 days at sea, a navy ship found the 67-year-old and his boat. after the coast guard heard a short mayday call from ingram and his son received yet another call from the coast guard. >> i was thinking of an image of somebody you know, floating in the water. and i said well did you find his sailboat, too. and they said no, we found your dad and the sailboat and he's alive. >> i would love to be able to go see him and you know give him a big old hug. merry christmas, pop. >> sarah sidener, cnn, california. >> he said his dad is no tough that rambo would have a picture of his dad on the wall. >> he must be, he must be to survive that ordeal. now what a nice silver lining of all things. >> whatever it was that kept them apart for all these years -- just faded away when they realized they may lose each other forever. great story. >> we'd love it hear from you on that story as well. critics are calling on the head of the c.i.a. to step down over the senate's blistering torture report. but c.i.a. officials say the tactics used helped the u.s. find an kill osama bin laden. so we will talk with a former c.i.a. agent who hunted for the notorious terrorist and try to get the answer. the holiday season is here, which means it's time for the volkswagen sign-then-drive event. for practically just your signature, you could drive home for the holidays in a german-engineered volkswagen. like the sporty, advanced new jetta... and the 2015 motor trend car of the year all-new golf. if you're wishing for a new volkswagen this season... just about all you need is a finely tuned... pen. get zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first month's payment on select new volkswagen models. former vice president dick cheney says the senate report on the u.s. interrogation methods during the bush administration is quote deeply flawed and full of crap. there are growing questions this morning about how effective those enhanced interrogation methods or torture as the report called them, really were when it came to getting intelligence on osama bin laden. let's bring in retired c.i.a. officer and author of "jawbreaker" gary bernson. there are so many conflicting reports about whether or not these enhanced intern gags techniques worked or whether they didn't and whether they did help to find osama bin laden. what do you believe? >> i believe when you're questioning a terrorist, you've got to have a lot of tools. i don't support torture, but i do support something more than the second amendment and something more than the army's field manual for questioning people. because what we have there really clearly doesn't cover all eventualities. in this particular case you've got to have establishing rapport with some of these people works. in other places you got to put pressure. we got terrorists when we capture, when we capture them, they tell us, when we're released, we're going to kill your wives and children. they tell us that, that's the attitude you've got facing these guys, some of them you're going to have to put pressure on, you're going to have to have sleep deprivation, constant questioning, you're going to have to be at them. you have to find a fine line where we don't violate the all the norms of morality. but at the same point -- >> i want to interrupt you. do you have evidence that any of those stronger techniques you're talking about, the waterboarding, the sleep deprivation that they did in fact lead to information that got osama bin laden? >> i haven't read the specific files, because i was involved in the invasion and then i was off doing other things around the world. but from a numb of my associates that i spoke to that were involved in the program, they told me, the pressure worked. i've spoken with some of the interrogators, i know you've got some interrogators on television who say it doesn't work. i've spoken to some of the interrogators who had 20 years of interrogation experience in the military speak arabic and said yes, he gave us this, this, and this and it was helpful to the overall effort. they weren't going to pull the trigger on an effort to capture bin laden and go across that border unless they had information from four or five different platforms, whether it's interrogations, human intelligence, all of that. because it was a big issue to cross that border. what i was told and repeatedly by people is that it, it was a contributing factor in their decision to do this and to proceed in the capture of bin laden. >> let me tell what you the senate report says about this. as you know there was a courier who was instrumental and the thinking was, if you find this courier who is a constant companion to osama bin laden, you'll find osama bin laden. there was a detainee who knew about this courier, who provided that information. let me read to you what the report says. the c.i.a. detainee who provided the most accurate tier 1 information linking the courier to ubl, known as osama bin laden, hassan, that's the detainee ghul, provided the information prior to being subjected to the c.i.a.'s enhanced interrogation techniques. hassan ghul opened up right away and was cooperative from the outset. gary, after that, he was stripped, he was chained to a wall for 40 minutes with his hands over his head and that didn't provide any more information. >> in some cases, coercive mechanisms, in others, they don't. it's a mixed bag, alisyn. but the fact is you've got to have people to have good judgment who are managing these programs, and clearly, there were mistakes that were made, but the reality is the people that were doing, that were involved in this process, didn't believe him in the beginning and moved to a second phase. was it a mistake in that case? maybe. but again unless the problem with the report is they didn't interview the people involved. if you're just looking at paper, maybe half of what goes on goes on paper. but if you've got a 12-hour interrogation center, do you think they covered every minute? 1,000 pages per interrogation. you've got to talk to the interrogator, the case officers and the chiefs of station that are managing these operations most closely. if you don't interview those, it's not a complete picture. >> gary, i want to ask you about khalid sheikh mohammed. there are other reports that say that the enhanced interrogation techniques or torture as some people call them actually only produces faulty and fabricated information. so here is what the report says about khalid sheikh mohammed. it says that the interrogators first began threatening ksm's children. on march 9th, 2003, ksm fabricated information, indicating that jaf ar altayyar and jose padilla were planning something because he explained he felt some pressure 0 to produce information about the operations in the united states in the initial phases of the interrogation. he admits he was fabricating information because he was subjected to some of these tactics. >> the report was written by a group of people that had a political agenda. it wasn't balanced in its writing and they didn't interview everybody. it's, yeah, can you read the report all day long and i think that it's, think the report is a hit job on the agency. and i think that it could have been more balanced, there could have been more balance in its writing. they should have interviewed the people. based on the report, the agency looks like every single line looks like incompetence, brutality and it looks like the program is worth nothing at all. i refuse to believe that understanding that throughout the work of my career, during 20 years, i saw a foreign governments using terror against some of our sources and breaking some of them at times. i've seen governments that were friendly to the united states using coercive methods and getting information that was useful and allowed the capture of people that saved american lives. it's a mixed bag. you need to have really smart people managing these programs, good common sense in this and if you've got information to provide openly, you've got to be able to check that information very, very quickly. >> gary, always great to talk to you, we appreciate your perspective and we appreciate your service to this country, thanks so much for coming on "new day." >> great pleasure. >> over to chris. in the wake of ray rice and adrian peterson in the nfl, the owners approved a revised personal conduct policy. what is it and does it address the problems the right way? 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that was nfl commissioner roger goodell. addressing questions about the nfl's new personal conduct policy. after saying with the early cases we've heard about, he blew it, especially the ray rice case. what about the new policy? is it enough? let's bring in people, cnn commentator and legal analyst mel robbins and former president of the nfl players association, george martin. jork giant. wished he was a jet. goodell admits he blew it and then says i met with bratton about the right thing to do. we're going to deal with the machine, let's deal with the man first, did he say the right things? is he in the right position now? >> good morning, guys, and i laugh that you just had to get that jab in there, chris. he did say the right thing. he did say the right thing, chris. i think it's important that he admit his mistakes and i've got a lot to say about the policy. but in terms of about how goodell is now handling the press conference, he's doing it a decent job. >> all right, so let's put up what this new policy is. it's very unusual. i spoke to a management consultant who said we would never storyboard our thinking this way. this is the statement from the union. they're saying they're upset because they weren't consulted about what this policy is, they were just given a professional courtesy to review it before it hit the press. i also want to put up what the policy is. george, let me ask you about the statement that we just had up. the union's carping, they should have consulted with us, should they have? >> absolutely. without question. i don't think that you can implement a unilateral policy that's going to be as far-reaching as this is, without consulting the people who are going to be impacted and that is the nfl players association. i think the fact that they left morris smith out and he did not have an opportunity to give input was a serious flaw on the part of goodell. >> the presumption is that the union would want less, right? they would want to sew their players not be punished as much for things like this. maybe that's why they were excluded from the dialogue. >> that's an assumption that could be true or false, you run the risk if he does get it wrong a second time you're going to incur the wrath of not only the nfl players association, but the general public once again. >> put the policy back up there again, mel. the reason i want it back up there is this management consultant said to me, this flow chart -- here's the problem. it shows they're going to have this procedure they follow but he believes that it's an example of how they're not set up to do this. that they're not set up to investigate potential crimes, they're not set up to punish this type of behavior and its flawed in its premise, what do you think? >> it's an excellent question and i agree 100%. listening to what george had to say, i think what the union wants is clarity. what i found interesting about this flow chart is that it illustrates two things, first, these cases are complicated, particularly when you have a parallel criminal proceeding. and secondly, i was stunned, chris, by the fact that there's not a lot that's changed. there's no mandatory suspension, there's a lot of words like "could" "may" do this. as a player i would be feeling a little worried. because i'm not exactly sure what the nfl will do. if somebody gets arrested tonight, chris and charged with domestic violence, do we know exactly what's going to happen? no. >> there's also this gray area about things they find out that the police don't find out this is, this is, this is a tough situation, george. what's the league supposed to do? you could say the policy should be this. if i hear something bad about george martin, you're out until we figure it out. that's not going to stand with the union, will it? >> no, you're right. what the policy does is create a double-jeopardy because it's in some cases circumvents the criminal justice system, number one and it also kind of gives you the presumption of guilt as opposed to presumption of inspects, why should an athlete be charged with something and then later proven innocent of it and he's already been penalized by the league? i think that's a serious faux pas on their part. >> if you hit your wife, your girlfriend, okay, and we have reason to believe it happened, the -- six games. you think that's enough in terms of what this league wants to project about who the men are who put on the helmets? >> far be it for me to talk about what's right and wrong in terms of domestic abuse. i think there are greater minds should come together and talk about this collectively. i think you should have input from the nfl players association as well as the league and you should have the professionals from the domestic abuse society to help craft this policy because it is so important. >> mel, at the end of the day, if you get jammed up rightly for hitting your spouse or your child, the penalty is six games. what do you think of that? >> it should be. i think it should be and i think it should be really black and white and the nfl shouldn't be the ones investigating this thing. >> is six games enough? >> yes, i think six games is enough to get the process started. but what i'm concerned about is this -- you got ray mcdonald of the 49ers arrested in august, accused of assaulting his 10-week pregnant fiancee. the d.a. didn't dismiss the case, they made a public statement that they couldn't prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. why? because his fiancee is now not cooperating, these cases are complicated. ray mcdonald did not sit out a single game. he should have sat out for six games. i personally believe thaw make the policy very simple by saying at the moment of arrest, you're out for six games. you still get paid, but the nfl, chris, should not be in the business of being like oh, he choked her, that's two more games, oh, he a gun, that's another four games, he only slapped her? that's two games, that's ridiculous, it needs to be a clear policy and end of story. >> a lot of people are arguing, mel, that if you actually do something like that, the fact that you stay in the league is odd to begin with we're going to have to see how this plays out. because they're still figuring it out. they have problems with their union. let's see what the next phase is, mel robbins, george martin, thanks so much. the biggest factor in this is how you feel about it. this is your league, right? they make their money off your desire to watch and accept the players in the game. ha do you think? go to facebook, you do facebook.com/newday and let us know. this is one of the stories we're following. there's a lot of news this morning, let's get to it. if another country files an arrest warrant for a u.s. official, the justice department would not enforce it. >> i think it's a terrible piece of work. >> this report says it was not successful. >> the report is full of crap. >> this issue is not about them, it's about us. >> the c.i.a. is lying. >> we will do whatever it takes to get him to talk. >> one of the most wanted terrorists in the world. >> officials say every reason to believe he is still alive. the leader of the group also still alive. >> bill cosby is now facing a new lawsuit. >> she has filed a lawsuit attempting to restore her good name and reputation. good morning, everyone, welcome back to "new day," i'm alisyn camerota with chris cuomo. the justice department will not take action in the aftermath of the senate's bombshell c.i.a. torture report they say. but the question is, will the white house? >> the head of the c.i.a., john brennan, is certainly coming under fire. some lawmakers are calling him a liar, demanding his resignation. brennan not backing down, agreeing to meet with the media and take questions about the agency's tactics, we'll cover it let's get to the white house and see what their posture is. we have our senior correspondent, jim acosta. >> good morning, chris. that's right. the white house is steering clear this morning of the two big questions coming out of the report -- should c.i.a. officials be prosecuted for the harsh interrogations? and did those interrogations even work? the white house just won't say. with the debate raging over the fallout of the torture report, the white house is staying on the sidelines. press secretary josh earnest refused to weigh in on whether c.i.a. officials should be tried for interrogation tactics the president himself has described as torture. >> do those details warrant going back and reexamining whether people should be prosecuted? >> decisions about prosecution are made by career federal prosecutors at the department of justice. >> the justice department says the federal prosecutors who looked into the program won't be launching a new investigation based on the report from the senate intelligence committee's chair, dianne feinstein. trial or no trial, the c.i.a. has some big names coming to its defense from former vice president dick cheney, who blasted the report on fox news. >> i think it's a terrible piece of work. we did exactly what needed to be done in order to catch those who were guilty on 9/11 and to prevent a further attack and we were successful on both parts. >> this report says it was not successful. >> the report is full of crap. >> to the agency's former director, michael hayden. >> what stunned me about the report most was the fact that it was written in the way it was written. it's an unrelenting prosecutorial document. >> both men say the c.i.a. is right in asserting that harsh interrogation techniques like those shown in the film "zero dark 30" actually prevented attacks and saved lives. but on the crucial question, the white house takes no position. >> it is impossible to know the account is factual. it's impossible to know whether or not the information could have been obtained using tactics that are consistent with the army field manual or other law enforcement techniques. >> the c.i.a. is lying. >> colorado democratic senator mark udall called on the president to clean house at the c.i.a. udall said an internal review of the interrogation program conducted by former c.i.a. director, leon panetta found the agency repeatedly misled congress about the brutal tactics. >> the president needs to purge his administration of high-level officials who are instrumental to the development and running of this program. for director brennan, that means resigning. >> but that is not happening. at least any time soon. the white house says the president has confidence in john brennan and the c.i.a. director will have a chance to defend himself when he holds a news conference later this afternoon. >> it is interesting that a document that was supposed to end the discussion has done nothing but begin one. alisyn? >> thanks so much. let's bring in now colonel steven kleinman, a former senior intelligence officer at the air force, he has researched interrogation for decades and appears in a campaign for human rights first, that's an advocacy group highlighting human rights failures in the u.s. government and private companies. great to see you this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> as you know, there's a huge debate in this country, this morning about whether or not the so-called enhanced interrogation tactics actually did work on getting actionable information out of these detainees or whether or not they actually clammed up as a result of what some people call torture. where do you fall on this? >> well i think first of all, the report clearly lays out the systemic use of torture by any standard and then the question we have to ask ourselves beyond the moral dilemma, which i think we should be struggling with and beyond the legal argument. which i don't have standing to engage on, is whether or not it's operationally effective. is it a reliable means of collecting useful information. accurate, timely and comprehensive. and i think the body of behavior scientist literature that would relate to for example cognitive functions would suggest no. i mean an interrogator's primary goal is to win the access to somebody's virtual memory. all the information we want resides in human memory, that's very fragile. >> and colonel kleinman, you have studied this for decades, and the alternatives that you suggest, that you say work better than any sort of brutality or enhanced interrogation methods are fascinating. i want to run through some of these that you say work much better. we've put together a list. number one, you say give a gift. you think you could give a gift to khalid sheikh mohammed and he would open up and tell you information? >> well, let me phrase it in proper terms. give a gift is just an example of reciprocity. there's an adapt i have been and learned behavior that goes back to our evolutionary legacy, it's just we when we receive something of any value, there's a very, very deeply driven need, requirement to give something back and it happens over and over again. and in all sorts of settings. and certainly it's demonstrated itself in the interrogation setting as well. i don't mean to belittle or certainly to simplify it to say you give a gift and khalid sheikh mohammed will provide the answers that we're seeking. but it's a way of reaching out and creating a bridge. >> it was fascinating, you say it's in our dna. if you provide one of these detainees, you've seen evidence if you give them a cup of tea, if you give them a blanket. if they're cold, suddenly they feel obligated to give you something. is that what you mean by build a bridge? >> yeah. exactly. it's part of a developing a relationship. beyond rapport. there could be a situation where the detainee literally hates the interrogator. hates being there. but they make a rational calculus that answering questions is more in their interest or not. not because they're threatened. but because of the way the opportunities are presented. and reciprocity, there's six fundamental principles of persuasion, based on dr. robert chaldini's work, which drives a multibillion-dollar advertising industry and to say that it's not applicable in the interrogation room is inconsistent with the behavioral science research we've done in the last ten years. >> another thing you recommend is use scarcity on them. what does that mean? >> absolutely. when anything is seen as viewed as in limited quantity, we place greater value on it. whether it's water during a drought or food during a famine and opportunities to, to gain something by providing information can be presented in a way that's very limited. for instance we're talking to three people and the first person that is helpful to us, will receive something of release, a better treatment, you know, moving out of the detention facility to some other facility. so you can present it that way, construct it in a way that becomes very, very appealing. >> one of the most fascinating that you write about, being an effective tactic is, it flies in the face of everything that enhanced interrogation techniques stand for. it's avoid humiliation. how does avoiding humiliation work better than using humiliation. >> if you think about the evolution, if you will of extremism, and i took part in a multinational, multi-year study looking at precisely that. somebody could choose the path of extremism. you look at lawrence wrooitd's book, "looming tower" and the self-reports of thousands young extremists is at the bottom. the lack of opportunity to get a job. extremist group comes along, gives them an opportunity to be part of something much bigger than themselves. humiliation drove them. why would we think that humiliation would in turn cause them to cooperate with somebody that they see as the enemy? the army field manual technique known as pride and ego down is a perfect example of an unsubstantiated approach that is probably counterproductive. >> and in fact we know from the senate report that khalid sheikh mohammed at least according to the report, that once he was stripped, and waterboarded and shaved, he clammed up and stopped cooperating, that's what the senate report says. colonel steve kleinman, you've given us a lot of food for thought this morning, thanks so much for coming on "new day." >> thank you for having me. we have news on a story that explains how we got into this situation with torture in the first place, a terrorist who pose as huge threat to america may still be alive. at first it was believed a master bomb maker for khorasan died in the u.s. air strike. but cnn has now learned he likely survived. let's get to our pentagon correspondent, barbara starr for more. do we trust the information now? >> chris, good morning, the information is as good as it gets right now. but nothing is exactly clear. two u.s. officials tell me they now believe that david drugeon, a french bomb maker for the khorasan group did survive some previous u.s. airstrikes, they had thought he was dead. they never had a dead body, they never had a photograph of a dead body. these are intelligence assessments, if you will. based on additional intelligence, that's been collected, monitoring of communications, talking to sources, they now believe over the last several weeks that they've come to the conclusion drugeon did survive. still don't have a dead body or a photograph of a dead body. they believe he's alive and why is this of such concern? this french bomb maker for the khorasan group in syria is knows how to make the types of bombs that can potentially get past airport screening. so that is a huge worry. the khorasan group's leader, another man, muhsin al fadli, also believed he is still alive. so even as the war against isis goes on inside syria, prosecuted by the u.s. and the coalition. this group of al qaeda operatishes inside syria, known as the khorasan group, it now looks like their top leadership remains alive and very dangerous. chris? >> it's just a nod to how difficult any gains will in this war that's being fought right now, barbara starr, thank you very much for updating the report. a lot of news, in the headlines, let's get to michaela. senators from both parties going to push for authorization of military force against isis terrorists, senator rand paul is leading calls for the u.s. to declare war against the terror group. insisting that the conflict is illegal. while democrats are backing measures that would authorize the use of force. all the measures restrict the use of combat troops. major developments for you out of hong kong. police arresting dozens of pro democracy protesters, clearing away tents from what was their main demonstration site. many protesters had staged a sit-in, chanting "i want true universal suffrage" those who left of their own accord filed out peacefully through a police checkpoint and were asked to present i.d. for possible future legal action. bad situation on the streets of manhattan last night. six people hit by a car that jumped a curb in new york's packed herald square. all the victims suffered serious injuries, they are expected to survive. the woman who was driving the car has also been hospitalized, she has been arrested and is now facing d.u.i. charges. funny man david letterman has announced the day that he will step down from his late night gig. may 20th, 2015. the comedian surprised everyone last april, including cbs when he announced he was going to retire in 2015. he is the longest-tenured late night talk show host. more than 32 years under his belt. he's being replaced by stephen colbert. can't wait to see how that transition is going to go. and deadline.com did a little number for us. he will have hosted 6,028 episodes of late night and the late show. that's incredible. >> influential, such a part of our, you know, consciousness and our society and culture. so influential. >> night after night doing that. >> in a business of impermanence. he found a way to stick it out, despite his only personal journey along the way. >> do you think colbert will do well? 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>> no, no, i don't accept the notion, so i mean it's important to get that out. i'm in the camp that says this is a flawed report, i would have liked to have seen more of an investigative effort. by that i would have liked to see more effort put in by saying we troll tlood awe lot of the shared information and now let's sit down with the people involved from the program, agency, and pursue these and say look we've got a document here about abu zubaydah, or bin ail machine, wh al shooeb. that's one of the things missing from this massive report. >> tom, the other side of this is they say we didn't do it because we had the documents, we didn't need to deal with people we think might be deceptive for us, do you think that was a legitimate basis for not doing the i the interviews? >> no, i think the interviews would have been necessary to do a complete investigation. but i think the fact that we've had a lot of politics involved in this from the beginning. including the president, when he was standing in the u.s. senate he was solely against the torture program and people should be held accountable. but the old adage, it's not where you stand on an issue, it's where you sit. so that was fine when he stood in the senate. when he sits in the white house, he changed that position and now you have even to this day, the department of justice not pursuing whether they're going to prosecute people that admittedly did this program. there is, there's been some misinformation this actually is a violation of a united states statute, the torture statute. passed in 1994. title 18, united states cold, section 2340, can call for as much as the death penalty if someone from the u.s. causes the death or severe bodily harm to another individual so when you hear the story about the person freezing to death, being shackled to the floor. that certainly would rise up to possibly a death penalty case. >> one of the things that doesn't pass the smell test here is that definition of torture is not confusing, you don't have to be a lawyer to know that severe physical injury, severe mental injury is well within the definition of so much of what is detailed in this report and yet you get all of these c.i.a. types saying yeah, it wasn't torture. they told us it wasn't torture. i don't care what they told you. don't you think you guys should have known that what you were doing was torture by any other name? the description of all of these things with the hose alone. >> i know pornography when i see it, right? you're diving into a very subjective realm. at the end of the day it was subject to legal review. that part of it also is not in question. and this has always been at the crux of this is that you know okay our sensory deprivation, is waterboarding, where is there a line? and we've reviewed these techniques, we put our own personnel through these techniques, does that constitute torture? a lot of people think it doesn't. >> but nobody believes that you did to each other what you did to these detainees. nobody is going do believe that when you say we tried it out on ourselves. come on, you didn't do it, you wouldn't do it to your brother the way you're going to do it to these other people. >> of course not. but none of us are planning to fly planes into a building. kill thousands of people or behead individuals on videotape and blast it around the world. >> that goes to vengeance, but not effectiveness, that goes towards the anger you feel towards them. >> it goes to what you're charged with, which is saving lives of citizens and our allies. that's what it goes to, it goes to preventing further attacks, it goes to gathering information in a program that you're developing or working on and is it perfect? absolutely not, it's not perfect. but let's not pretend that people are doing this in some rogue effort to blow their skirt up. >> and that is the main crux of the pushback right now that people have do assess is -- are they having hindsight 20/20 in this report about things that were condoned all along by members in our government. mike baker, thank you for spelling it out and tom fuentes, we appreciate the balance as always. >> fascinating conversation, chris. when it comes to big money and politics there's one potential 2016 candidate who the wealthiest donors say they are ready to support. it may not be who you think. john king will explain. and one of bill cosby's accusers is suing him for defamation. fighting back for being branded a liar. does she have a case? we'll ask cnn analyst mark geregos. thanks. ♪ [ male announcer ] fedex® has solutions to enable global commerce that can help your company grow steadily and quickly. great job. 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let's go inside application with me to share reporting and insight, "the atlantic"'s molly ball and tamara keith. from npr. this is the deadline for the budget. conservatives are angry, they say the republicans just won an election in which they said we're against the president's priorities, especially on the imdepression executive action. red state conservative saying it's unconstitutional what the president does. they swore an oath to uphold, protect and defend the constitution, they'll be violating their oath. so the grassroots conservative base is mad. but this is going to pass, right? >> it seems entirely likely and if it doesn't pass it won't be because of the republicans, it will be because of the democrats. the congressional republicans, house republicans somewhere in the neighborhood of maybe 70, 80 of them are going to peel off and not vote for it 30 of them would have never voted for it, no mat weather it did. democrats are upset, too, though. they don't like provisions that were tucked in about campaign finance, the dodd-frank consumer -- the financial reforms that were, are being pulled back. so there's something for everybody to hate in this. but it seems like they're right up against this deadline and they're going to find a way to cobble together the votes. >> so i guess to that point if there's somebody for everybody to hate. is there enough for everybody to like to get it through? is that the idea? >> depending on how you look at it, this is either the definition of compromise, something for both sides to hate, or it's one of these you know, washington typical goody-filled bills on things that have nothing to do with the actual proximate goal which is to get the government funded and that's the kind of thing that everybody hates about washington is every senator and representative gets to throw their little thing into the bill as it gallops across the deadline and nobody can muster the will to object because we've got to get the government funded. but the leadership does believe they will be able to cobble together the votes as tamara said, some republicans will peel off. nancy pelosi is opposed to the bill because of the provisions that tamara mentioned. but she is not whipping actively against it it's expected enough democrats will fill the gap that it will get majority in the house. >> enough democrats think i don't like this, i don't like this, but we have to keep the government up and running. you mentioned dodd-frank was the big financial reform bill passed after the financial collapse in 2008. set new rules on banks, supposed to protect the little guy, put the banks under more of a watchdog status, nancy pelosi doesn't like the proposed changes to that neither does elizabeth warren. who took to the floor of the house of representatives, listen to her say no way. >> the house of representatives is about to show us the worst of government for the rich and powerful. the house is about to vote on a budget deal. a deal negotiated behind closed doors, that slips in a provision that would let derivatives traders on wall street gamble with taxpayer money and get bailed out by the government when their risky bets threat ton blow up our financial system. these are the same banks that nearly broke the economy in 2008 and destroyed millions of jobs. >> she's obviously a rising star in the democratic caucus in the senate. some liberal groups are begging, pushing, pleading for her to run for president on the democratic side in that sound bite is a little bit of everything. that behind closed doors, deal that helps the rich bankers, screws the little guy. powerful speech. but not enough to stop this? >> well she's very good at that populism thing. and she's sort of pulling a ted cruz here. she's stand oefrg in the senate and telling the house, stop this thing, don't do it. the reality is that her colleagues in the senate actually negotiated this. and so, she can stand on principle, but it looks to be pretty hard to stop. >> you've had a lot of liberal groups raising money off elizabeth warren with these polls. you know should elizabeth warren run for president, move on says it's going to spend $1 million to draft her to run for president, they're hoping to raise more than $1 million, they're supposed to get their money back by having it out there and pushing it around. is there any reason to believe that because something she objects to profoundly is about to happen, that she would change her thinking? >> the problem with the elizabeth warren caucus is it's too small. whether you're talking about in the senate, in the house, or in the base of the democratic party, in real polls, elizabeth warren is not getting anywhere near the support that hillary clinton is even among the liberal wing of the democratic party, where hillary tends to do very well. so i have yet to see any reason to believe that the, that the warren percentage is more than a minority at this point. it's just a very loud vocal and angry minority. >> another thing tucked into the spending bill, the goal is to keep the government up and running, but because the train is likely to make it to the president's desk and he'll sign it everybody wants to attach their caboose to it. >> under current law individual donations in a campaign are capped at $32,400 a year. the new cap? $777,600. that's an adjustment more for inflation, i would say or if you look at it over a two-year election cycle, you can currently give about $1.5 million as an individual. as a couple, i'm sorry, your cap, you would be able to give $1.5 million in a two-year election cycle. a couple could give more than $3 million. so more money into a political system that a lot of people complain has too much money. >> yes. and, and it's in there. you know, three powerful words in washington "must-pass bill." the interesting thing is a lot of people don't want to claim credit for sneaking this one in. but the parties will be perfectly happy to get the mo y money. it gives them a little advantage in the fight with superpacs over influence in politics. >> a little irony as it plays out. we're talking about rich people getting to put more money or people with wealth. put more money in the process, the elizabeth warren says the deal in congress is going to screw the little guy and help the millionaires. cnn released a poll. hillary clinton likes to be in every poll. but 31% of millionaires think hillary clinton should be the next president of the united states. 18% say jeb bush, 14% say chris christie. neighbor this is the one poll you don't want to lead, a poll of millionaires? >> i do think that this is a perception that clings to hillary regardless of whether this polling existed. i don't think it's a secret that at least among democrats she is the one that wall street would favor. she has very good relationships with the so-called 1%. there's plenty of things to be skeptical about this poll in particular. from the way the sample was put together to the candidates that they selected, you know, if you put the republican candidates together, there's a lot more millionaire support for them than there is for clinton. but you know, i do think that there's a lot of things about hillary that are going to cause her to be branded as a sort of corporate democrat. and you know that might be more harmful to her if there was an actual democratic primary. which we're not quite seeing so far. but even in a general election, think her republicans get better at sounding those populist themes that tamara was talking about. >> you question the methodology. so it's a fun poll to talk, about i'm not sure it's terribly scientifically valid. molly and tamara, thanks for coming in. watch the debate play out in the house, the tone of the house debate will determine whether the senate gets this done tomorrow before the weekend or whether they have to do a temporary spending bill to keep the government open. these guys want to go home, i suspect they get it done. >> i like that you can watch all that so we don't have to. >> we'll be there for you. >> we'll check in with you of course throughout the day and tomorrow. job, great to see you. one of bill cosby's accusers wants to take him to court, using a different strategy than we've seen before. will her case hold water? 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let's bring in mark geragos, a cnn legal analyst and defense attorney, great to see you, mark. >> good to see you. >> what do you think of the unconventional route of going after bill cosby for defamation. >> it's an end-run around the statute of limitations, you have a very short period of time for statute of limitations in sexual assault cases. some states allow to you go for a longer period of time. this may not, notwithstanding that little speech by the lawyer, this may not ever get in front of a jury. there are -- >> why? >> there are all kinds of problems with this case, first of all, freedom of speech. second of all, litigation privilege. so something that's in contemplation of litigation. can you respond to that. when she starts giving, if you read the complaint, she's giving interviews and then they're responding. there's going to be a lot of litigation before you ever see a jury in this case and it may not get there. >> she is saying that because he's called her a wrecking ball and because he called her a liar, that he has defamed her. does she have to prove that her life was damaged somehow by this? >> she has to have some kind of damage. she doesn't have to show extreme emotional distress, but in this case, the bigger problem really is the freedom of speech issue. >> so will a judge let this go forward? >> i have my serious doubts that a federal district court judge, and this is filed in the district court, is going to let this go to a jury trial. >> if a judge does let this go forward, does that mean that bill cosby has to show up in a courtroom and answer all of these even sexual assault charges? >> well, specifically as to her. not as to others. >> but the sexual assault would come into the defamation case, if this goes forward? >> that's why this is kind of a creative end-run around the statute of limitations, because what you're trying to do is get to the substance of the allegations in the first place. >> as you know, there are many women who have come forward claiming this same thing, that they, too, were drugged and sexually assaulted in the '60s and the '70s, there are now according to cnn's count, 22 women with similar claims. here is what this accused victim, tamara green says about how she believes her lawsuit will open pandora's box. she said my attorney has also not just provided a forum for me and a day in court for me, but the equal opportunity for other women who have similarly situated, who have been raped or sexually assaulted by bill cosby and thereafter have been resavaged as a defamer and a liar. do you think that other women will follow this route? >> i think you've seen already some gloria yale rallred did ths conference, i'm sure gloria has considered that. i think it's a creative device, there's no getting around it. the problem is that you run smack-dab into the first amendment in these cases and this idea of litigation privilege. >> here's what bill cosby's publicist has said about this. this is a 10-year-old discredited accusation. that proved to be nothing at the time. and still is nothing. would you, if you were bill cosby's attorney, would you recommend that bill cosby ever speak out and address these things? or should, has his strategy of complete silence worked? >> well, i think, look, marty singer is a great lawyer and i know him and i respect him a great deal. part of the problem he has in a case like this, is when you have bill cosby out there and he's doing interviews and somebody asks this question, and he just goes radio silent, that's a problem. and as a lawyer, that puts new a tough position. >> so what's the answer? >> actually while this is going on, you're in kind of a triage mode. i mean marty has got to deal with 22, by your count people coming out of the woodwork and that presents a real problem for him. i don't know that saying anything at this point is helpful to his cause. giving interviews and not discussing it, i think is a negative. and so -- >> also not helpful to his cause. >> that isn't helpful as well. >> mark geragos, great to see you, thank you for coming into new day. another legal battle, fossil fight, the largest t-rex skeleton ever uncovered named sue. just the beginning of the story. why did the find of a lifetime, trigger a lifetime of conflict? that's the premise of "dinosaur 13" a cnn film. we'll take you through it. hey what are you doing? i was thinking about taking this speed test from comcast business. oh yeah? if they can't give us faster internet or save us money, they'll give us 150 bucks. sounds like a win win. guys! faster internet? i have never been on the internet and i am doing pretty well. does he even work here? 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as millions clean up from a nor'easter on the east coast, millions brace in northern california for what could be the worst storm in a decade. schools in the bay area were forced to close this morning. leaked e-mails from stony pictures pit execs against some of the silver screen biggest names. who will get top honors at the golden globes this year? we'll discuss the nominees, the surprises and the snubs. your "new day" continues your "new day" continues right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> announcer: in this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. >> good morning, welcome back to "new day." it is thursday, december 11th. just after 8:00 in the east. chris cuomo with alisyn camerota here. in the wake of that scathing senate report on cia's torture tactics, the justice department is declining to prosecute or even investigate. now the question is, will the cia face the firestorm and calls for him to resign. >> john brennan has agreed to answer questions at a press conference this afternoon as lawmakers call for him to step down accusing him of lying to the american people. jim acosta, what do we know? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. the white house is steering clear of but the big questions coming out of the torture report, should cia officials be prosecuted for the harsh interrogation techniques and did they work? there's one person willing to answer those questions, dick cheney. with the debate raging over the fallout of the torture report, the white house is staying on the sidelines. josh earnest refused to weigh in whether cia officials should be tried for tactics the president described himself as torture. >> did those details warrant going back and reexamining whether they should be prosecuted? >> they are made by career federal prosecutors at the department of justice. >> the prosecutors who looked into the program won't be looking into a new investigation. trial or no trial, the cia has some big names coming to its defense, from former vice president dick cheney who blasted the report on fox news. >> i think it's a terrible piece of work. we did exactly what needed to be done in order to catch those who were guilty on 9/11 and to prevent a further attack and we were successful on both parts. and i think -- >> this report says it was not successful. >> their report is full of crap. >> to former director michael hayden. >> what stunned me is the fact it was written in the way it was written. it is an unrelenting prosecutorial document. >> reporter: both men say the cia is right inserting harsh interrogation methods prevented atacks and saved life. but on that crucial question, the white house takes no position. >> it is impossible to know the counter-factual. it's impossible to know whether or not this information could have been obtained using tactics that are consistent with the army field manual or other law enforcement techniques. >> the cia is lying. >> reporter: mark udall called on the president to clean house at the cia. the review conducted by former leanne panetta found the agency repeatedly misled congress about the brutal tactics. >> the president needs to purge his administration of high level officials, instrumental to the development and running of this program. director brennan, that means resigning. >> reporter: the white house is standing by john brennan says the president has confidence in his cia director and brennan will have a chance to defend himself in person later on when he holds a news conference at the cia. alisyn and chris? >> thank you very much for the reporting. very interesting perspective here will be what did people at the cia think they were doing and what did they think about that? we can get that to you right now. we have former senior cia terrorism analyst cindy stohr, works with kronos advisory, you were in the intelligence business, cindy, working at the cia during the time this was going on. let me ask you straight out, did people at the cia know that torture was going on in the name of the united states' interests? >> certainly people, some people at cia knew that these things were happening. they didn't call it torture. if they called it torture they wouldn't have been doing it because that's illegal, so you had to go through the process of going through lawyers and going through the law and figuring out what was considered to be legal at the time and what wasn't. now, not everybody knew what was being done, in fact most people didn't know the details. >> and why do you think that was? >> well, it's the kind of thing you don't want leaks. that's one of the biggest reasons, and everybody knew and i know that others have said this before eventually a lot of information will get out and a lot of people will disagree. if you're going to continue a program like this you have to prevent leaks as long as possible. >> the federal report congress was misled by the cia, do you believe that? >> i do. yes. one of the things that happens on the inside, it's just like any other bureaucracy, where the leadership has decided that something needs doing, and that it's a good thing, and then the questions that come down to the workforce are not, is this a good thing or not, it's help me justify this thing that we've decided to do. >> this is big. so you have the head of the cia right now. you have passed heads of counterterrorism and of the agency. you have the vice president, all of them say the government knew what we were doing and they said it was okay. you're saying that's not true. how confident are you in that? >> well, certainly the justice department i think knew -- let me take that back. i'm not sure who at highest levels knew all of the details, because i wasn't privy to that. i opted out from the beginning, so -- >> why? >> -- i wouldn't see a lot of those details? >> it was legal, it was okay? >> because i thought it was morally wrong, and i didn't know exactly what was happening, but i could see the atmosphere building after 9/11, and people are saying things like "the gloves are coming off," and i just had this feeling that that was, this was not going in any kind of a good direction and i didn't want to be part of it. >> let me play something for you that a former colleague of yours at the cia said about one of the reasons that these tactics were deemed okay. play the sound. >> but none of us are planning to fly planes into a building, kill thousands of people or behead individuals on videotape and blast it around the world. >> that goes to vengeance, not effectiveness, it goes toward the anger. >> no it doesn't, no it doesn't. it goes to what you're charged with, saving lives. >> he said that the tactics that you used, that you used them on each other first to try it out. is there any reason to believe that you did to each other what you would do to detainees? >> you couldn't go, you wouldn't go as far on each other. >> sounds like an excuse. >> well, all the reports say that, i mean again, i wasn't involved but all the reports say including the internal investigation that things went beyond the training manual. clearly there were things done not done to our own people and under different conditions. one of the psychologists is talking about the difference between being a voluntary person going through this and being someone who is being coerced, and that there are different psychological effects. >> the cia was asked in short order to become something that decidedly it was not by all accounts. one was operationally able to take on these types of interrogations and two, able to be a detention management place. do you believe the cia was overwhelmed with the mandate? >> sure. anybody would be. you have to remember, this is right after 9/11. it was kind of crazy. everybody was worried about the next attack coming and the attack after that and the attack after that, and that we didn't see another 9/11 in the u.s., there were major attacks overseas fairly frequently for a couple of years and so the cia was under tremendous pressure to never let it happen again, and that's the phrase, this is never going to happen again. >> but it seems like there was a recklessness guiding this. you hear the people at the top justifying it was vetted, it was okay, we knew how to do it, it was a balancing process of a little bit of enhanced stuff and a little bit of regular stuff but was the real reality as word spread throughout the agency that this was reckless, that you were just trying to do whatever you could? it was more desperation than it was strategic? >> listen, a lot of what the cia does is get a mission, go do it. it's a can-do organization and people just do the best they can on the fly. is that recklessness? i don't know. again, i'm not justifying it, because i think it's morally wrong. >> do you think brennan should step down? >> i don't know, because i don't know the extent of his involvement. >> how could he not have known? how would people at the top of the organization not know what's going on below it? is that a reality? could that be possible? >> on this subject? >> yes. >> i don't know if everybody knew everything. this is impossible to know. also -- yes. >> okay. what else do you want to tell us, before i let you go? >> just that i think this is something that i'm glad it's come out because we need to have this talk about who we are as a nation. are we people who do this or not? >> we got to get straight what was done and who said it was okay and then we can talk about why we do these things. that's the problem is that we have two different versions of what happened and why. we need to narrow that down. that's why your perspective is helpful and i'll probably call on you again as beget more information. >> okay, thank you, chris. >> thank you. alisyn? let's talk about some extreme weather. monster storm is set to slam northern california, expected to pack heavy rain and hurricane-force winds triggering emergency preparations. while the coming deluge may seem like relief to the drought-stricken state this could be the worst storm in decades. dan simon is live in san francisco. look at the winds near the san francisco bay bridge. dan, what's it like there? >> reporter: hi, we are in downtown san francisco. right now things are relatively calm but the city is expected to get absolutely hammered, two between four and nine inches of rain, that's why some say this could be the worst storm in a nun of years, it could rival the worst storm we've seen in 50 years. if it isn't the rain it could be the wind. we expect hurricane force winds could get anywhere from 50 to 60 miles per hour, as you said they're taking a close look at the bridges. the golden gate bridge hasn't been closed since 198 3. if they have to close the bridge it would be historic. all kinds of preparations in the last few days. public schools are closed today. utility cruise trimming tree limbs to make sure they don't fall on power lines, clearing storm drains, so you don't have much flooding but we'll keep a close eye on the situation as i said right now, things relatively calm, but could be seeing a lot of rain in a matter of minutes, alisyn. >> be careful, dan, take cover. thanks so much. >> literally the calm before the storm. let's get more on what is headed that way from meteorologist chad myers. what do you see? >> i saw a 96-mile-per-hour wind gust about 150 miles north of san francisco as the rain came onshore with the thunderstorms. that's for the people of northern california. they've had it up in washington and oregon the past couple of days but now the system is sliding closer to san francisco and it will be a brutal day. already 98 flights are canceled into san francisco this morning and it's only, what, 5:12 in the morning. so more cancellations are likely throughout the day. four to eight inches of rainfall. to break a drought you need an inch of rain maybe every four days. you don't need four inches of rain in 24 hours or for that matter, eight inches, but we will get a lot of snow in the sierra, that's great, get the snow up there. blizzard warnings. one report i saw said they can expect on the top of the ridges near inkind village near tahoe, 120-mile-per-hour wind gusts are possible on the highest of elevations and even into san francisco, winds of 50 or 60 miles per hour. today all the way to 55, reno tonight all the way to 60, but here is another important question here. this storm slides farther to the south so l.a., you'll get winds almost 40 miles per hour tomorrow. that's how it looks. this is a big storm, one on the west, one on the east coast. the east coast storm winding down, light snow in new york city but the big snow for the rest of the day is in the south of the niagara frontier to erie, pennsylvania. >> chad thanks for keeping an eye on it. let's get you right to mick for the news this morning. >> good morning once again everybody. dangerous course on operative may have survived a u.s. air strike. it was believed david drugeon was killed last month, the master bombmaker was now only injured and treated at a secure location. newly released video taken hours after the deadly mass shooting at seattle pacific university back in june shows the suspected gunman giving his account of what happened and why. in the video, he describes posing as a transfer student to tour the campus before the shooting. he also spoke about struggling with demons. >> i wouldn't have wanted to kill people. i wanted to live a happy life. my hate got over me. >> ibarra has pleaded not giuily to murder and attempted murder charms. a florida man is grinning wide and catching some flack. timothy poole is a registered sex offender, arrested in 1999 for abusing a minor. people were outraged when they recognized the man in the picture that was posted online. the 43-year-old man has been arrested 12 times and served time in prison twice. here is a picture that is worth a thousand words in this case it is worth $6.5 million, a world record, the most expensive photo ever sold. it is titled "phantom" captured by peter lick at arizona's antelope canyon. it shows a beam of light resembling a ghost-like figure. that photo is sold to a private collector, decided to remain a anonymo anonymous. >> if you didn't know what it was, what did you think it is? 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>> doing well. after a blistering report like this is released there are often calls for someone to be held accou accountable for what we see in this report. who do you think should be held responsible? >> first thing ought to be the critique of the report. i was really disappointed. you can't just look at pieces of paper and make the judgments that the committee made. there's no context in this report because nobody was interviewed that had association with any of this. >> the committee said they couldn't interview cia operatives because there was an investigation going on. >> no, they were blocked from interviewing because obama administration threatened to prosecute them so you can't put them in dual jeopardy. you put out a substandard report that doesn't have any context until that had been decided. the number one goal is to get out a report, whether it's accurate or not. i don't agree with the asuchings of the report. the cia did a lot of things wrong there's no question. we all recognize that. i think they've admitted that. they weren't prepared to do this in 9/11. they were handed something to do under the guidance of legal koup and so i'm not as upset about that. the number one thing i'm upset about on the report, what are the recommendations for us for the future? when we have another issue and we're going to have issues reli this come again especially with isil and the world in the shape it is, what are the facts that need to be learned to guide us to make better decisions in the future? there's none of that in here. >> wouldn't the senate committee say they weren't tasked with that, that wasn't the point of this report? they were assessing what happened and getting a full accounting of whether or not those enhanced interrogation techniques did lead to actionable intelligence or if they were classified as torture but moving forward that wasn't their goal. >> i think their goal was to say exactly what they said without putting it in context. that's why i think the report has very little value. i know what the cia did wrong. i'm privileged to have interviewed many of the interrogators, and seen the consequences of both the fruits and the kobs queconsequences of actions. to me, we know we made mistakes as a country following 9/11. i see very little import of this report in terms of how it will guide us for the future and i think that's the biggest failing. we need help for the future on how are we going to handle these things in the future and what are we going to learn from the mistakes we did make, what is it to be learned and how do we guide that and how do we give informed knowledge to people making decisions in the future, and to me, we've got it all stirred up about the cia and torture. the thing is, what did we learn? i'm disappointed with he came to a conclusion without any contextual insight to it and without any recommendations for the future. do you think john brennan should stay on as the head of the cia? >> i absolutely do. i didn't vote to confirm john brennan but i found him to be honest with me in my dealings in intelligence on the committee, and also to be very straightforward. i've not found he's been dishonest or lied to me or led me astray in any way and we're aggressive on that committee in terms of double checking what we're told. i don't think we ought to change it middle stream right now. i think he also has confidence in the team. >> you are well-known in congress as the person who points out all of the wasteful spending. you're sort of the pork slayer and you will be leaving congress next year, but not before you've given them one massive report on tax loopholes. what did you find in that report? >> well, i just found we're going to spend $5 trillion over the next five years in terms of tax benefits to selected groups of people that may not be in the terms of the growing and new jobs but we tried to create something that the american peop people could look at and read, where does the money go. home mortgages, everybody said that's a middle class benefit. it's not. 73% of it goes to people making a quarter million dollars more a year. that's not middle class. that's upper class. we have all the false assumptions in the tax codes saying it's for middle class when it's not and the whole point of this was to inform where the money is going, and whether or not it's accomplishing things that are good for the country. my thought would be that we ought to have capital go where it gets the greatest benefit for the most people in this country, and when we pick and choose winners through the tax code, we don't necessarily do a very good job at that, and consequently, we have a lot of people that don't have jobs today and a lot of wealth that's not being created because we've done it. >> it's hard to argue with that logic, and those reports are always an entertaining and troubling read. senator tom coburn, thanks so much for joining us on "new day." >> you're welcome, glad to be with you, good morning. let's go over to chris. >> alisyn, this is something that comes up from time to time but we have new information for you, household products, could they be harming your kids? 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"i'm not remotely interested in presiding over a $180 million ego bath we both know will be the career-defining debacle for both of us. i'm not destroying my career over a minimally talented spoiled brat who thought nothing of shoving this off her plate for 18 months so she could do g direct a movie." >> so far from the glitz and glamo glamour, this is the more real honest side of hollywood, what really happens behind the scenes, we never get to see. now we see the proof. >> they are having a discussion, one attending a breakfast with the president of the united states and asked her colleague what she should ask the president, would he like to finance some movies? is i doubt it, should i ask him if he'd like jango, 12 years a slave or the butler or think like a man? >> what do those share in common? ? they sure sound like racial messages we're hearing from them. these are all films about african americans, all those themes. some people called that e-mail racist. i would say it's at least racial, not racist but racial. >> were both people contributors to the democratic campaigns? >> they were. they were. i'm sure they will be in the future as well. >> might need to spend a little more money now and make a phone call to the white house. >> this is not good for scott rudin. >> no. several of the most shocking e-mails that have come out in this leak are from him. he is a famed man in hollywood, known for his temper, known for this kind of language and tone, lots of folks have gotten into fights with him. we never really see them in public. >> the business is portrayed this way in movies and tv shows about the business. >> in private they talk about the fact it's an ugly place. >> listen to this one again from him to this amy pascal, other big producer. "you better shut angie down before she makes it hard for david fincher to do steve jobs' biopic. she says do not f-ing threaten me. he says i have zero appetites for the indulgence of spoiled brats. watch out how you talk to me. >> talent is talked about behind closed doors and it's not just true at sony. i'm sure elsewhere. david finch directed a different movie, the tug-of-war going on over talent. i've got to imagine it will be harder for some of the folks to work with people in the future now. >> it's kind of interesting, scott rudin's response. what did he have to say, deflect, deflect, deflect. >> his statement about all of this? he's come out and said this is not about salacious e-mails. this is about a criminal act. he says it's about a criminal act and the people behind it should be treated as nothing more nor less than criminals. these were found by hackers published in a way that is a criminal act. once they're out there, they are fair game for the outlets covering them. i talked to an executive of sony who said god forbid this happened to your media company because this has been so damaging to them. the person also said it's still business as usual. we're up and running and releasing movies. it's just a whole lot harder because of the damage that has come out. >> are you allowed to be critical publicly of angelina jolie who is the "if" woman? >> it wasn't public. >> now that it has where does he go to get his reputation back? >> it's harder for stony to work with some of the stars and directors in the future. i'm not so sure about that. i think everyone sort of is in on the joke sometimes. they probably know that you act like friends at the parties but you might be enemies behind the scenes. >> you think he was a future emoticons away from one of these? >> behind closed doors it's a nasty business. the e-mails about obama that seem racialized that's a different issue. >> might have problems with that. >> in terms of the relationships, it's kind of a frenemy sort of business, friends and enemies at the same time and these e-mails show how much that's true. >> thanks so much. because of the e-mails, we talk about the golden globe nominations announced, i bet you the seating order may change at the event. who made the cut for the year's best, that's a live picture now, giving us what the nominations are. we're going to tell you what they are as they come out, so stay with us for that. we're also giving you the latest installment of cnn.com, the original series "wish you were here." this time a blind adventurer takes a nearly 300-mile whitewater kayak journey through the grand canyon. go to cnn.com/wishyouwerehere. >> my name is eric and this is what it's like to kayak the grand canyon blind. grand canyon is an iconic beautiful place in the world and even though i can't see it, i can still experience it with my hands touching the rocks and experiencing the sound of the canyons the way they echo. i thought it would be really intriguing to see if a blind person could sort of flourish in all that chaos and sort of feels like you're an astronaut going into space, launching to the moon or something. alookin' good! close it up! got it. ... and then, santa's helpers boarded the train, and off they went. and that's how we got it. wowww ... you guys must've been really good this year. the magic of the season is here, at the lexus december to remember sales event. this is the pursuit of perfection. if aunder a microscope, put we can see all the bacteria that still exists. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture everyday. ♪ everybody comes to hollywood nominations for the 2015 xwoelden globe awards have been announced. here is "entertainment tonight" host and cnn contributor, nischelle turner. hollywood is wide awake so let's talk. >> i don't know if i am but hollywood is. let's talk because there is a lot to digest for the golden globe announcements just announced like two minutes ago. here's how high-tech i am, i took all my notes on my iphone so that's how i'm breaking it all down for you this morning. >> let's talk about best picture. lot of conversation about some of the great films that are coming out this year, who do we have? >> there were a lot of nominations. can we put them up on the screen quick? >> we'll try. >> don't count on that. you know how it works. >> only because the golden globes break them up into the drama and the comedy category and the best movies it's "boyhood" "foxcatcher" "immigration game" sgs selma" and "theory of everything" in the drama category. interesting thing about this, there aren't any big studio films. "selma" would be closest here but everything is inpend, smaller films, kind of arty films. the studios aren't getting love for the big budget films but actors are saying we're doing movies that matter and "selma" is a powerful, wonderful film and important film. the director was also nominated for the movie. also best actor in a drama for this movie, so it will be interesting to see what happens with that on golden globes. >> is there a comedy category? best actors now? >> we can talk about the best actors. the golden globes give more leeway, they break it up into two categories. couple of surprises i saw, joaquin phoenix nominated for "inherent vice." this movie is just going to be coming out, a paul thomas anderson movie, it is a ride. i saw it the other day. you have to surrender and let yourself go. i am neat sure i understand it but it's very interesting and it was a surprise to see him nominated. also bill murray was double nomineed today for "sait. vince" and his performance as one of the best, also nominated for ollie kitridge on the television side. strong field, david oielewo and we also saw mike keaton nominated for "birdman." this will be a strong category. the men had strong performance this is year. i'm not sure the women's category for the acting is as strong. >> who is nominated for actress? >> there's a wide range. again, we're seeing women that are in smaller films. reece witherspoon nominated for "wild" and june-and-moore for "map to the stars." she's been touted and lauded for "alex." that's the role she played as an overly onset alzheimer's patient that everyone said this is a defining moment for her. it was interesting to see her nominated for "map to the stars" this morning. also, emily blunt nominated. it will be a good morning for her, very excited for "into the woods" a cute role she plays the bakers wife, a really good musical so it was interesting to see her nominated. meryl streep got nominated in the supporting category for "into the woods." that got a lot of love, nominated for best movie comedy or musical this morning. >> our new bestie here at "new day," angie jolie, didn't get put in there, nominated as director for "unbroken." what's up with that? >> very surprised wi about that actually, that she did not get a nomination. you and i have seen this film, right? >> um-hum. >> it was a tough film to watch but you can also tell it was a tough film to make, and i think she did a great job making this movie. you saw the scenes on the water and the scenes in the cold and it was really a rough time for them, and i think with this being her second movie that she directed i think it was great. i was very surprised to see her get shot out at the hollywood foreign press. they love angelina jolie. >> a lot of folks are probably saying i haven't seen these films in theaters. lot of these will be opening in the next weeks and days. the critics get a chance to see hem beforehand. tv also part of the golden globes. any interesting notes we should know about? >> yes, one big one for me. amy poehler is hosting once again. she did not get a nomination for best comedy actress but someone who did, gina rodriguez. remember this name. the star of the show called "jane the virgin" it's a great show. she is so funny, and i'm so glad to see her get some love. i aunnoed the naacp image awards with her earl whier this week and she is a lovely girl, the show is really funny. i'm glad the hollywood press is recognizing her today. >> last of all, all of these shows matter but this is an indicator looking forward to oscar nominations, this indicates which way some of the votes will go. >> you know, in some categories, it is and some it's not. the best picture category the hollywood foreign press hasn't been great for out of the past ten years they've gotten it right but the glass half full, three of the last three years they've predicted the best picture winner for the oscars. they do get the acting categories right a lot of time. nine out of the last ten years they've gone on to predict who is going to win the oscar with who wins the golden globes. >> i'd say take a nap but you're on for the rest of the day. we want to hear from you folks at home. head to our facebook page facebook.com/newday and sound off. nischelle, always a delight. >> absolutely guys, see you later. back to the other variety of news. we have an oregon teenager getting a brand new hand, but it's what he's doing with that hand, he's lending a hand to help others and that's why he is "the good stuff" stay with us. hello... i'm an idaho potato farmer and our big idaho potato truck is still missing. so my buddy here is going to help me find it. here we go. woo who, woah, woah, woah. it's out there somewhere spreading the word about americas favorite potatoes: heart healthy idaho potatoes and the american heart association's go red for women campaign. if you see it i hope you'll let us know. always look for the grown in idaho seal. ♪ hi. i'm new ensure active clear protein drink. >>clear huh? 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"the newsroom" with carol costello. >> something good, we appreciate that. have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com and good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we begin with a monster storm hitting the west coast. so-called river in the sky now bursting its banks over california. take a look at these live pictures of the bay area, the camera bouncing around from the heavy winds and rain, gusts could get up to 80 miles per hour later today. and this is in san
New-yorkUnited-statesWest-bankChadAfghanistanVermontFloridaCaliforniaSyriaOregonTorontoOntario gusting winds. your fox first alert forecast is just minutes away. first influence correspondent claudia cowan live in california. claudia. >> hi, greta. this pounding rain and near hurricane-force winds just slammed into northern california today and provided plenty of dramatic pictures. all day long we have been watching the high surf just slam into the pier here in pacifica. some spots along the coast seeing waives as high as 27 feet. some of the inland areas up in sonoma and napa getting 9-inch of rain in this 24-hour long deluge. so much rain falling all at once. it caused widespread problems across northern california. roads were flooded. cars got stranded on freeways as some people make the best of things by getting around on a kayak. now, the storm also uprooted trees. in fact, we're told that a 12-year-old boy suffered a fractured arm when an 80-foot tree fell on him. that happened in santa cruz. power was knocked out all over the bay area. at last report 117,000 customers were still without power. authorities advising folks to stay off the roads if they can. especially up in the mountains where blizzard and whiteout conditions are expected to last through tonight. more than 240 flits cancelled today. long delays being reported as well. that's going to have a ripple effect as the evening wears on tonight. and for the first time in many years, schools across the bay area closed today, in fact, some are staying closed tomorrow. now, we do need the rain after three years of very dry conditions here in california. but weather experts say this is not a drought ender. in fact, they say we need 8 to 12 more big storms just like this. just to get back to normal. that's how low the state's reservoirs are, greta. they also say this storm will help replenish the drinking water supply and boost that sierra snow pack. that snow pack so critical to meet the state's water needs. now the storm is moving on south and los angeles will get the rain tomorrow. back to you, greta. >> lucky los angeles. need so much rain out there such a drought. now you have such a growth and come the dry season next summer suddenly everything is grown up and now you have got the fire season because there is so much growth to burn. >> i totally understand what you are saying. take the rainyway. we really need it. our reservoirs are so slow we will take any rain we can get even if it does lead to more fuel for fires later on. we will worry about that then. >> i totally understand. thank you, claudia. how long will the storms stick around. let's go to rick reichmuth. rick? >> greta. it's been a rough couple of days. three days really across the northeast with incredible snow across interior sections. wind and rain all across the coast. still dealing with the same storm. can you see it very slow mover, you put the radar into motion of what we think is going to happen over the next 24 hours or so. it will get out of here but very slow going. temps remain cool and see scattered snow flurries from time to time all across the northeast. at least through saturday morning and then the weekend is looking pretty good. out across the west is really all our troubles claudia was just talking about it san francisco on december 1st and second we saw a big storm over 3 inches of rain and now we are getting this one here. you talk about that drought. we need this rain but we need, again, so much more that some areas in northern california already have seen about 8 to 9 inches. but you see all that yellow and red, that's a very widespread area that has seen 3 to 6 inches. that is what we need to start to see. but it's been an incredibly windy storm along with this and that's why we are seeing the power outages, trees going over obviously. not done yet across central and northern california. see very big snow across the sierra, nevadas, snow levels 4,000 feet overnight and still more rain across the central coast. we also have the flooding concerns because of all that rain throughout the night tonight and then our next chance of rain there comes in on monday. but tonight into tomorrow, the rain moves in across southern california. we're going to see a lot of areas 1 to 2 inches, with the higher elevations, mountains just to the north of malibu looking at 3 to 4 inches of rain and snow across some spots there also. take a look at this though. i want to show you this, greta. this is where our drought is worst drought anywhere in the country. last two years, take a look at the deficits here. redding, california, almost 26 inches below what you should have over the last two years. san francisco 21, l.a. almost 17 inches. that's why we need so much rain. we need probably 20 to 25 inches of rain in the next couple of months in in order to bust this drought. hopefully we will get close to that but come with a cost with flooding and threat for mud slides. greta. >> what a nightmare in california. rick, thank you. >> you bet. >> and to the cia interrogation, enhanced or torture. john brennan responds to the cia torture report. plus we have a response from president bush. that's next. also, general bob scales accusing liberals of turning out our warriors, he is here to tell you what he means why that notre dame has a course. it is called white privilege. do you think about that? 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>> what i mean is it's an academic term that's called moral equivalency, early in a war, the antiwar liberals don't object to the war because they are afraid and the american people are behind the war. then after the war, when people feel safe, it starts nraive is consistent. hitler a horrible man. he killed 6 million jews. but we bombed dresden in 1945. yes, the japanese did terrible atrocities but the argument then moral equivalency yeah but we dropped the atom bomb on hiro hiroshima. this is a similar sort of thing. >> former harvard law professor alan dershowitz agrees in the wake of 9/11 everyone wanted torture used. >> right. >> there are a couple things, number one is whether it worked. two is who knew about this. >> yeah. >> three is that everyone who is supporting it now is spaying that a legal memo of the justice department okayed it. and i'm not sure why we have a couple lawyers at the justice department making the decision for the nation. i sort of want the president and in a debate in congress that's where the discussion lies now. >> isn't it interesting that we wait until al qaeda is on the run and the terror threat has been minimized. it's been 13 years before all sawfden everyone wakes up to the problem where were they in 2004. >> i mean, i didn't know about it then. >> i think most of us who followed it closely knew that some form of intense interrogation was going on. i think it was fairly common knowledge. certainly in the military for sure in the cia and probably on the hill. and i think the american people out of here of perhaps a terrorist nuclear attack. perhaps a reprise on the west coast were standing back and allowing this type of thing to go on. >> i mean, i agree, we shouldn't look at incidents 2014 eyes. we should look at it during the eyes of when it occurred can. >> exactly. >> and what was going on. there is some -- rectal hydration. i mean, there were just some things that are so bizarre. what in the world do we think we get with that? >> well, first of all, i don't know. and if you talk that is pretty gruesome. >> if you talk to the cia people they will say that whole thing had a different purpose other than torture to it but the point is that all of a sudden folks start turning on the warrior class. it happens after every war when they feel safe enough to go back and pars every action that was made in extremists, in the height of combat at a time when america was frightened, turning to the military and the cia to keep them safe and then once they feel safe, then it's time to go back to moral equivalency. >> i read one report, 80 million was paid to two psychologists to come up with infair gation process. 80 million. who authorized that and for frankly 80 million bucks try to chase somebody with a hatchet if you want to scare somebody. i don't understand that $80 million. $75,000 a day or something. >> yeah. i guess my take on that is that the military has had rules in place. actually had a manual in place for over 40 years about how to do interrogation legally. the cia actually borrowed it in 2006 when they got their act together. >> 80 million? >> that's ridiculous. then again it's also the pentagon. >> the pentagon wants to know what to do. come to me i will do it 40 million. i may even do it -- >> -- i will do it. >> 15,000. >> okay. i will do it for 10. >> anyway. general scales, always nice to see you, sir. >> thank you, greta. >> george h.w. bush releasing a statement saying in part nearly four decades ago it was my privilege to go to langley to lead the men and women of the cia at a contentious time. during my short time there i learned firsthand that they are among the very finest people serving in the united states government. i felt compelled to reiterate my confidence in the agency today and to thank those throughout its ranks for their ongoing and vitally important work to keep america safe and secure. and if you want to see president bush completed statement go to gretawire.com. and straight ahead. well, all eyes are locked on the chaos on capitol hill. what about isis? is president obama breaking his promise? kid: hey dad, who was that man? dad: he's our broker. he helps looks after all our money. kid: do you pay him? dad: of course. kid: how much? dad: i don't know exactly. kid: what if you're not happy? does he have to pay you back? dad: nope. kid: why not? dad: it doesn't work that way. kid: why not? vo: are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed? wealth management at charles schwab tonight, disturbing new questions about the u.s. strategy to combat isis. it has now been three months since president obama took to national tv and said. this. >> we have ramped up our military assistance to the syrian opposition. tonight i call on congress again to give us additional authorities and resources to train and equip these fires. >> so, has that all happened yet or any of it? fox news national security correspondent jennifer griffin joins us from the pentagon. jennifer, i hear you chuckle at my question. >> the fact of the matter is, no. that has been the most striking thing about the testimony that we have been listening to the administration's point person on iraq and iran. he was asked point blank by republican ted poe of texas whether the vetting had begun. his answer no. in fact, he revealed that the administration is still in discussions with turkey about using its bases to train some of the 5,000 members of the moderate so-called moderate syrian opposition which are the key to the president's strategy. it's been three months as you mentioned since the president stated the pentagon would vet, train, and equip moderate syrian forces on the ground during that prime time address from the white house on september 10th. there are serious problems becoming apparent with the strategy in syria. u.s. air strikes may be damaging the moderate rebels more than they are halting isis. a new study published by james defense suggest the u.s. led air strikes have allowed isis and assad to consolidate power. in fact, they have stopped targeting each other. isis is focused on eliminating the very moderate opposition groups the u.s. hopes to eventually train and equip. out of more than 900 operations that james defense looked at. assad has targeted isis only 6% of the time since the u.s. started those air strikes. syria, meanwhile is letting u.s. warplanes deal with isis while it too moderate opposition that the u.s. hopes will serve as its ground troops. in other words, there may not be a moderate syrian opposition once the u.s. program to train them is up and running, greta. >> jennifer, why hadn't this been done? >> well, the problem is it's very difficult to find these moderate syrian members. i remember sitting in the pentagon briefing room asking secretary hagel shortly after this began after the president made this big to do that they were going to begin training. asking him who the head of the free syrian army was. that's the so-called moderate force that they were supposed to vet train and arm. he didn't know the name of the free syrian army. they are being assassinated by isis. and they are approaching any moderate syrians on the ground are being told to join isis or be slaughtered. so, it's going to be very difficult to find these moderates and one of the problems is that as all these months go by, with no training beginning, they also had to negotiate with turkey and saudi arabia to train on their territory. and that's going slowly in turkey. but, as this time goes by, isis is simply slaughtering those that he we would want to work with. >> jennifer, thank you. and our political panel is back. "the washington times" cheryl chummily, the "the washington post" jackie kucinich and washington examiner chief political correspondent byron york. cheryl, first to you, when the president gave a speech, september 10th. he said he wanted to do these things. to help with the moderate syrian to fight assad, and but he had to get the money from congress. well, then i thought maybe congress didn't give him the money. september 18th. 8 days later he had had the money to do. this it was authorized to approve $220.5 million. what's the problem? >> well, greta, the fact is this president never wants to take hard action when it comes to foreign affairs. he never wants to take any type of strong stance. he military at all in any kind of overseas conflict. so what he basically did, with the back drop of two american journalists being beheaded. and polls showing that his foreign policy was falling in favor with the american citizen, he he had to come out and make some kind of a strong statement, you know, it was at a time when the elections were heating up and he was worried about his democrats keeping office. so these are are all playing on his mind as he comes out and makes what he hopes is a strong statement. >> you know, byron, the president doesn't make decisions very quickly to paraphrase what you said. is that if he had taken senator john mccain's advice a year earlier with the free syrian army, it was a more identified group and we knew a little more about them. >> the question with syria has always been are there any good guys or maybe just not really terrible guys that we could arm and assist in this? and first of all, the president's plan was really long term. i mean, we are not supposed to start training these guys until march of next year. it's or 8 or 9 program. ready to go by the beginning of 2016. it wasn't like this urgent last-minute plan the president had. >> you can't drop of the time it was a year before we had the red line because assad was gassing his people before isis even exploded on us. >> but then we start sending weapons over there after the president talks in september and we see some of those falling into the hands of isis. well, who can we trust over there. and i don't think they still know the answer. >> well then that goes back to the strategy. what in the world is our strategy over there? >> now, when members of the house and senate were voting on, this they said this is the least bad option out of a lot of bad options. and they expressed a lot of the concerns that byron has talked about, about the weapons falling into enemy hands. it looks like it's happening. it doesn't seem like there are any good options. and that is bearing out. >> you know, cheryl, we're all looking at midnight. the government is going to run out of money at midnight. and, you know, nobody is really paying much attention to isis. but, you know, it's after the beheading of the two americans, everyone was so -- paying so much attention. but our attention is now diverted. this is now getting a worse situation there. >> well, there are no good answers in it now. and actually, if you go way back to the start of obama's presidency, he has never been firm on foreign affairs. and that telephone graphs a message to those around the world who wants to do harm to americans that it's a free for all. you could see that as he kept constantly kept drawing a red line in syria and then polling back is it was a being mowing that america was taking at that point. >> it's gotten to a mess, hasn't it? >> yes, it has it's true that the indecisive and problem from hell. we don't know who we can trust -- you know what byron, the thing with isis is deeply disturbing. many had the sense that the president didn't know what he was doing. in january of last year. less than a year ago he said that isis was a jv team and suddenly his foreign policy changes in august when two americans get beheaded and all of a sudden he discovers who isis. meantime the national bank in iraq had fallen. fallujah, which we lost, i don't know, about a hundred of our troops which is most important battle in 2004 and 2007. fallujah had fallen. there is a lot going on that seemed to be ignored. >> he is working on the constraint of not using any american ground troops in this. >> well, he is the commander and chief. >> he is. but, there is so far there is really no public support to send american combat troops back to iraq. if he wants to lead on that, he can. but that's something the public real willly opposes. >> i'm not suggesting we do that. he did want the job. he dot want to be the commander and chief. at least we need a strategy so we can figure out. instead we hear that isis is growing. it's not a very good sign. anyway. we may be out of money by midnight. panel, thank you. and developing now, new clues in the grizzly mystery murder of the mississippi teen set on fire. new haunting surveillance video just surfaced. you will see it next. plus, why would notre dame be offering a course on white privilege. i will tell you what i think offer the record of course, coming up. gruesome mystery teen doused with lightd and set on fire spotted on surveillance video hours before her grizzly murder. today the sheriff's department releasing that video and asking for witnesses to come forward. for the latest report tom deist joins us live. what is the latest in this investigation? >> greta, the da and the sheriff coming out here in panola county saying they do not expect an arrest in this case any time soon they have interviewed a lot of people and within work withing extensive hours. they do have the vape that you just mentioned that showed jessica going in and out of that gas station. the mbi, the mississippi bureau of investigation took five bags of the evidence that i saw from jessica's car. you have her cell phone records that have come in. they have been reviewing those as we speak. you have her words first responders right before she died. they say that she did give them some information that may help them in this case. you have the official autopsy report that is due tomorrow. that will be made available to law enforcement. that will not become public record as it is still part of the evidence district attorney and sheriff asking for the public's help. the da and the sheriff saying one of the big problems in cracking this case no one is coming forwards. no one is really saying anything. there hasn't been a lot of chatter on the streets. greta? >> tom, how much -- what time was she in that video at the gas station and then how much longer before they found her? i know she was alive when they found her. how much time passed that was the first thing and where was the distance they found her from the gas station? >> greta, the time that elapsed between when that video was taken -- i believe that video says 6:50 on the video is 5:50. some mixup in the hour that it was recorded. there is about a two and a half mile difference between there and the crime scene. and once again, she was found in the wee hours of the morning from what i'm told. known has seen her interact with anybody from that gas station. at least we don't know. >> if you look closely at the video. she does walk off camera at some point and say something to someone. we don't know if they have identified that person or what was said. but that was a gas station that's right around the corner from where she lives that she frequented on a regular basis. >> tom, thank you. and what a terrible, you know, terrible story and a terrible tragedy. thank you, tom. >> and a frightening scene on a freeway bridge. the race to save the lives of four small children is caught on camera. that's next. right now, subscribe to greta talk in our latest edition we are talking about representative cathy mcmorris rogers. she is not only the chair of the house republican conference but she is also the mother of three children, including a 7-year-old son with down syndrome. talk about multi-tasking. this woman does it subscribe to greta talk right now it's free on itunes, stenture and tune-in. here's some news you may find surprising. we're for an open internet for all. we're for creating more innovation and competition. we're for net neutrality protection. now, here's some news you may find even more surprising. we're comcast. the only isp legally bound by full net neutrality rules. caught on camera. desperate search for california man wanted in the search of his wife and kidnapping of his four children. >> chaos on a california freeway. daniel perez, a father of four missing children and husband of a missing wife gets locked into a standoff with california highway patrol oon an overpass just outside of san diego. >> our concern was that maybe he was gonna try to jump over the side and take maybe some of the boys with with him. >> police negotiators speaking to perez for more than an hour as heavily armed tactical units armed his nissan you ultima. move closer to the edge of the overpass. that's when police strike. tackling the suspect and saving the day. >> pure excitement when he was taken into custody. >> you not story turns to perez's wife still unaccounted for and the body of the woman found in the car. >> there has been a history of domestic violence found in the home. i wouldn't found. part of the investigation. >> sad news moments ago police identified the woman found in the truck as erica perez the mother of those four children. >> let's all go off-the-record for a minute. next semester the university of notre dame is offering a course they named white privilege seminar. that's a terrible name for a course with a name like that right out of the gate, you divide people. why not race relations in america? 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JapanFallujahAl-anbarIraqTexasUnited-statesIranTurkeySonomaCaliforniaSan-diegoCapitol-hill agency officers used interrogation techniques that had not been authorized. were abhorrent and rightly should be repudiated by all. >> but brennan would not call it torture. >> i would leave to others how they might want to label those activities. >> brennan's explanation, the c.i.a. was not ready after 9/11. >> the program was uncharted territory for the c.i.a. and we were not prepared. >> and he maintained the agency's enhanced interrogation techniques or eits produced intelligence, even though he conceded it was unknowable if the same results were obtainable without harsh methods. >> it is our considered view that the detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques provided information that was useful and was used. in the ultimate operation to go against bin laden. >> that's in sharp contrast to the torture report from democratic senate intelligence committee chair, dianne feinstein. she responded to brennan in a tweet that critical intelligence that led to bin laden was unrelated to eits, but former c.i.a. officials insist they were doing what was necessary to stop more attacks on the u.s. >> we didn't have the luxury of time. we had a ticking time bomb situation. >> on the lead, former c.i.a. director michael hayden defended the forced rectal feeding of detainees. >> they had limited options with which to go do this. it was intravenous, which would be dangerous. with a noncooperative detainee. >> hummus and pine nuts. >> this is one of the ways that the body is rehydrated. these were medical procedures. >> you're defending rectal rehydration? >> what i'm defending is history, to give you a sense as to how this report was put together, this activity, which was done five times, in each time for the health of the detainee, not part of the interrogation program. not designed to soften him up any questioning. >> critics of the torture report, asked what's the difference between harsh interrogations under president bush and classified drone attacks under president obama. one intelligence committee member insisted the drone program is legal. >> i believe that the c.i.a. is acting within the law in the intentions right now. that's as far as i want to go. >> and all of these attacks on the c.i.a. prompted a spirited defense from former president george h.w. bush who said in a statement last night, he felt compelled to reiterate his confidence in the men and women who worked there. george h.w. bush was not only the director of the c.i.a., the building is named after him. chris? >> jim, this is not getting better yet in terms of the consensus of what was done and why. until we have that, we can't figure out how to move forward. let's bring in christianne amanpour who joins us from london. not only are you very well versed in this type of interrogation, what happens around the world. you talked to somebody is very key in our analysis. let's discuss how rare this situation is that's going on. not the torture. that we're getting inside the c.i.a. that they're having to come out and explain. they're giving a press conference, although even that was weird. did you hear they were making reporters surrender their phones. and other recording devices before they went in? what do you make of this kind of exposure we're seeing right now? >> well it is unique exposure. obviously we don't get that kind of thing around the world. even in our democracies here in western europe. just a note, the british government did confirm that they had been notified by director brennan, people had been notified that this report was going to come out. so yes, we don't get to see this kind of transparency. really the question is going forward, what this means, does it have any repercussions overseas, you know a lot of overseas countries have been implicated in that they were the host to some of the black sides where some of this went on. allies of the united states. not just in europe, but also in places like egypt and elsewhere. and the other thing is, does the c.i.a. put a full stop on this and move forward. i've asked many people about that. >> you really put your finger right on it there. there's so much double-speak going on right now. who knew? who didn't know, what it was, what it wasn't. mr. brennan wouldn't use the word torture yesterday. although it seems to fit every definition of torture. when you have that going back and forth, it doesn't allow you to go forward. you spoke to alberto mora, the former general counsel of the navy. he said we knew what was going on and we were trying to stop it. >> unless the director is able to understand what the law and our values categorize this behavior as, then he's going to have to be told or we're going to have to find a new director in order to lead this agency, we need to be clear about what the law and our principles require and how we classify these activities going forward. >> it's a strong statement from mr. mora. but do you really believe that there's a gray area here? do you believe this was about people the c.i.a. not understanding what torture was and wasn't? >> no. look, the report clearly states that there were many in the c.i.a. who in the midst of administering this torture, they call it enhanced interrogation technique, were very, very concerned about it. and raised those concerns with their superiors. and according to the report, the superiors told them to just carry on. in many of these cases. alberto mora, it needs to be recognized, was the very first american official to stand up and reject and resist this kind of technique. and he did that in 2002. and what he told me is incredibly significant. when he took his concerns about this torture to the military brass, that means the uniformed military, it means the lawyers, the legal part of the military, they agreed with him and they said, this should not be happening, it doesn't produce any valuable information. and not only that, it doesn't go with the values of our nation. it shouldn't be happening. they agreed with his assessment. this is in 2002. but the civilians ignored that. and then came the torture memos, which so-called legalized this. >> the only way this works, this type of disclosure in the name of transparency, is if you own it, own what it was, and own what the change is. that doesn't seem to be being done effectively now because of this parsing of the word "torture." is this working as a form of transparency by the u.s., or just hurting their reputation? >> well look, i think there are many reasons why director brennan may not have used that precise word. i spoke to the senior u.n. reporter on this who says what happened is quote a criminal conspiracy. and that all of those, not just the practitioners, but those who authorize and directed this program are subject to prosecution under international law. and he pointed out that in italy, 22 c.i.a. officials have in absentia been convicted and sentenced to long prison terms because of a rendition of an italian egyptian who was taken to cairo and tortured there. so it is very, very grave matter of legal precedents. but perhaps brennan was not using the word torture, because he didn't want other people in the c.i.a., the troops to have their morale further damaged. >> he would be exposing himself to criminal responsibility, also. because if you used word -- torture, then the torture is illegal. >> well, you're absolutely right. it is illegal. and the united states is sett g signatory to the anti-torture convention. he said look, the president has already used the word torture. we know it's torture, that's not the issue. it was a top legal expert, that it was an esprit decorps issue. >> let me ask you something. if what you're saying is true about the magistrate in international law, quickly on this, does that mean that vice president dick cheney, if he were like vacationing in paris, may be at risk of getting picked up for a criminal action? >> well, look, all i can say is if he's named in that report, they say yes, and i spoke to the former chief prosecutor at guantanamo, who said that he would recommend anybody named in this report to quote vacation domestically. >> wow. >> christianne amanpour, thank you very much for helping us with this interview. michaela, imagine that. i wonder if they knew there was this kind of implication when they put out the report. >> one of them said i think i'll vacation at yellowstone. congress narrowly averlted a government shutdown following a long day of drama and discord on capitol hill. the house approved a $1.1 trillion spending bill to keep the government open through september. the move happened despite strong objections interest democrats. the bill is now in the hands of the senate which has two days to approve it. of course we'll have more on this coming up in a few minutes' time. another cosby accuser coming forward, this time, it is 1970s supermodel beverly johnson. in an essay for "vanity fair," she says cosby drugged a cappuccino he made for her at his home during a read-through for a role on the cosby show. johnson said she knew quickly she had been drugged and began cursing at cosby. he quickly threw her out of his home into a cab. beverly johnson will join us live this morning during the 8:00 hour of "new day." a powerful statement about black congressional lawmakers and staffers, about 100 of them walked out of congress, raised their hands in a sign of support for the farmlies of michael brown and eric garner. a senate chaplain led the group in prayer saying they were working as a voice for the voiceless. attorney general eric holder heading to chicago for committee meetings in an effort to improve relations between police and community. do you feel a bit of a chill in the air? >> never between you two. >> look at this -- that sony exec amy pascal trying to embrace angelina jolie. feel the chill now? you can see the actress not feeling it. >> that's the stink eye. >> pascal was part of the email exchange between sony execs where jolie was called a minimally talented spoiled brat. we're going to discuss how hollywood is handling this embarrassing scandal throughout the show, so stick with us. >> that's two stink eyes. >> full on. full frontal stink eye. >> is that -- isn't she supposed to be angry at scott ruden? >> i think they both were part of the conversation. >> it's not like she was defended. >> in the email exchange. >> she did not look happy in that one. >> i think she's generally not happy. >> she was not looking at me like that, i'll tell you right now. >> you fed the beast. >> they had a moment. >> we'll get into all of that coming up. meanwhile, another story to tell you about, because the west coast is reeling from this powerful and deadly storm. ferocious hurricane-force winds, heavy rain and hundreds of thousands of power outages slamming california and oregon. falling trees, caused two deaths in oregon, one of the victims was a teenaged boy, he was in a car when the tree came down. the storm being blamed for blowing out windows in downtown portland, so much rain has fallen in california, this one storm may erase three years of drought there. that's the good news, but there's lots of bad news and dan simon joins us live from san francisco with the latest. how is it looking, dan? >> well, good morning, alisyn, with widespread power outages and flooded roadways, this is a storm that certainly lived up to its billing. now city agencies are scrambling to try to get neighborhoods cleaned up. a deadly monster storm battering the west coast. ferocious winds and torrential rain bearing down on residents. leaving more than 225,000 people without power, from san francisco to the canadian border. in oregon, the storm turning deadly, with record-breaking wind gusts, fallen trees claiming at least two lives. the powerful winds of nearly 70 miles per hour, blowing at giant sheet of metal into the windows of this office building in downtown portland. >> it was like being in a tornado. it was such a big piece of metal, it was going so fast -- i thought you know this may be the last moment. >> strong winds also to blame for this partial roof collapse further north. >> i'm not sure if i've ever seen anything like this before, it's pretty unbelievable. >> the same storm destroying a few homes in washington state. the rising tide eroding beaches leaving more in perl. peril. >> in california, hurricane-force winds shaking area bridges and knocking over trees, including this 80-foot tree that pinned a boy on a school playground in santa cruz, firefighters released the boy. a foot of drain affecting the drought-stricken golden state, causing streets to flood and rivers to rise. >> this amount of rain in short period of time, anything can happen. >> this parking lot looking like a lake. while lake tahoe looked more like a beach. the gusty winds providing daring surfers with huge waves. entire neighborhoods under water. many residents stranded on washed-out roadways, while other thoroughfares closed completely. public transit shut down. further north, heavy snow and fierce winds creating blizzard conditions in the sierra nevadas, a possible three feet of snow on the horizon. conditions are slowly improving as the storm pushes south. but utility crews still have a lot of work to do at last check. a quarter of a million people still without power on the west coast. chris and alisyn, back to you. >> they'll be busy this morning, thanks so much. let's figure out why from the meteorological perspective. let's bring in chad myers, what are you looking at with the storm, is getting better or worse? >> getting better for san francisco, getting worse for l.a., the snow still coming down. dan said a quarter million people without power, 300,000 people already restored. petrified forest had over a foot of rain. lake sonoma, 7.5 inches. look when you go up in elevation, white mountain had a wind gust of 139 miles per hour. mount lincoln, 135. even toward mammoth, over 100 miles per hour up on top of that mountain. more snow to come, more rain for l.a. cold in the northeast, cold this afternoon, sunny skies, good flying though unless you're going through the west or your plane is coming from the west, you should be in good shape. highs with a windy -- some wind coming down the hudson. little hudson hawk today, 36 for the high in new york city. guys, back to you. >> chad, thanks so much for that update. well congress takes the budget battle down to the wire. as usual. the house passed the budget, but the senate still has to weigh in we'll tell you why house democrats challenged the white house to the brink of a shutdown. ♪ ♪ my name is karen and i have diabetic nerve pain. it's progressive pain. first that feeling of numbness. then hot pins. almost like lightning bolts, hot strikes into my feet. so my doctor prescribed lyrica. the pain has been reduced and i feel better than i did before. 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[ male announcer ] ask your doctor about lyrica today. it's specific treatment for diabetic nerve pain. the house narrowly approved a $1.1 trillion to spend for the government going forward. but there are a lot of catches. it happened just hours short of the deadline. the senate had to give itself a two-day extension to approve the bill. so it's not done. brinksmanship of the worst kind. but it seems to be the strategy for governing going forward. really? let's discuss, john afl lon, editor in chief of the "daily beast," and margaret hoover, republican strategist. did we have a birthday yesterday? >> yes. 29 for the rest of my life. >> the problem is we're coming into a new mode of leadership. seem intent on using this as a tool even though they say they will not. do you think this is the way forward? do you think we will constantly be in this cycle? >> i think that we will see less of this in the next cycle because boehner has a larger coalition and frankly a larger coalition of moderates to help stave off some of the right-wingers in his coalition now. what was fascinating to me about this is the new coalition, so you had michelle bachmann on one side of the vote and nancy pelosi on the other. you're seeing it beginning with rand paul and the national security stuff and the far left, the aclu civil liberty crowd. >> i'm all for new and interesting coalitions, but this is governing by crisis, this is not governing in effect, it's brinksmanship. people in congress cannot get anything done, unless it's at the 11th hour. what happens is this these inexcusable provisions get larded into a spending bill. >> larded, good word. >> really offensive stuff. >> isn't that what the sticking points were? >> that's a lot of it. if you look at the two-party progressive opposition to this bill. some of it was objection to the wall street provisions, a group of lobbyists from citigroup ended up largely putting in their own language and saying if you care about derivatives and all the things that helped spur the last financial crisis, we just got more of it. that was a lot of the righteous anger at this bill. the fact that we came so close to a shutdown after being told we weren't, indicates how little actual power the leaders have on this process. this is chaos. >> we also just keep kicking the can down the road. >> it isn't any way to run a government. the different departments of government need to be able to forecast and plan, right? you can't spend effectively if you don't know what's going to be coming in. even from a conservative perspective, you want to be able to count on what you're getting so you can plan you know proactively. so it isn't a way to fund a government. not a way to run a country. i, i hope that in the next congress we see something different. i think we will. >> you allowed more money to come in with politics. you took care of the fat cats. >> that's disgusting. >> a terrible thing. they're not even talking about it down there. it's going to be a problem. >> because the perspective is look, man, i just made my donors happy, it insures my re-election, i got more cash to work with, what's the problem. it's that degree of cynicism, that degree that's driving congress. strengthening boehner's hand to try to form coalitions. i understand why progressives in two parties were angry at the wall street provisions, frankly everyone should have been. the guys that put it in there should be ashamed of themselves, you're seeing a more assertive progressive left that will be one of the more hallmarks of the coming congress and the daylight in the breaks. >> very unusual press conference out. c.i.a., what did you think as you listened to john brennan try to justify the decisions on the torture tactics. >> it's not easy to listen to any of these justifications. the larger question here and part of the problem is that you had what some say was a pretty partisan report come down. dianne feinstein did the press conference after the report. there's there's potentially real partisan angling here. there's a real question about why they didn't do it before the election. the truth is if you look at nate silver's blog, 538 and you see what americans think about harsh interrogation tactics over the last five years. a majority of americans, more than half are in favor of the use of that in certain circumstances. >> the end justifies the means. >> only in certain circumstances, against the backdrop of a place where you're seeing beheadings on television from our people who actually want to paralyze or liberty. >> nobody is arguing at the end of the day that we're sliding into moral equivalents between al qaeda and isis and the united states. the people trying to make that point abroad are the people trying to hide their own abuses, the part of the headline internationally is that the united states has admitted to our mistakes, part of the problem is the loss of moral authority that comes from these actions that didn't produce much significant actionable intelligence. so you know we can do the partisan angle and we can talk about the divides, but you can't sort of ignore the facts or say they don't matter. >> my concern is that what is happening, the more they talk about it, alisyn is you don't know who to trust any more, who's lying? somebody has to be lying. it's literally like you're looking at two kids and there's one broken vase and they're both pointing like this. that's not good with the c.i.a. and the american people. >> wasn't it interesting to hear john brennan answer the question by saying it's unknowable what the intelligence we got, through the harsh tactics, versus the nonharsh, it's unknowable what we would have gotten had we not done them. he admitted it. >> we know there's a moral cost. we also know where you stand is a matter of where you sit. john brennan's role right now is to defend the c.i.a. what he said in the run-up to the campaign and after as an obama adviser was condemning of these practices. >> to hear justice officials say all of these things they were doing, but don't need to repeat -- it doesn't mean the definition of torture. it shocks the conscious. >> the definition of a legal society is not coming up with explanations of why something is not torture. >> when i hear john mccain who sat in a prison cell for five years, we have every tool in the army field manual to get the intelligence we need from prisoners, that's what i need to hear. >> that's a good compass. >> you think he has any moral authority? 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>> the price of gas. >> wow, well played. >> quality segue. >> oil prices are hitting five-year lows, let's bring in chief business correspondent christine roman, a hooray for consumers with a question mark. >> a big cheer for consumers, oil prices hitting below $60 a barrel. a big deal for us it will put about $100 extra a month in our pockets, it's like a tax cut. it's like a stimulus. $100 billion extra next year. but? it may mean job cuts in the energy sector. the energy companies are getting slammed by the lower oil prices. stocks have been nailed. some of the smaller energy players are down 50%, their stock prices from the summer. that's what's dragging on the dow jones industrial average. the dow is down about 128 points so you're going to see the stock market unsettled by what's happening in the oil market. it's good for surms, good for the economy, it's not good for the energy patch and hurting the stock market. so that's the double-edged sword. >> if it's not good for employment, it's not good for the economy. >> energy has been such an important driver in the american recovery. expectations are that energy prices remain low through next year. no one's saying it's the bottom. that could be good for u.s. economic growth overall. people are spending less money on gas, that's a good thing. >> is it true that the saudis are tanking the price of oil to strangle the american and perhaps russian production markets? >> the saudis and opec are not rushing out to trim their output, which they sometimes do when oil prices fall and that props them up. some are saying it's like a game of chicken. they want to push out the american oil producers, choke off some of the investment they're having in the u.s. to drill for shale oil and for gas in places we haven't been able to get it. i will say i, when i look at the gas prices i'm reminded of the last presidential election when so many of the republican candidates said vote for me and i will be able to give you lower gas prices. well, if this were a mitt romney presidency, it would be the romney economic miracle. but for some reason the white house doesn't seem to get any kind of tailwind from job creation, a stock market that's doubled and the low gas prices, it's an interesting commentary. i think the messaging from the white house is not to take credit for some of the things happening in the economy. and so they don't get any credit for it. >> and they get blamed for the high gas prices. >> the bottom line is the economy right now pretty good for consumers, pretty good for consumers and no sign that there's a bottom being put into oil market right now. but interesting about the saudi/u.s. placement here, the oil producers are hurting, but they're not stepping in to cut production. >> christine, thanks so much. >> can you read this? 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we're joined by larry hackett, the former managing editor of "people" magazine. is the story coming from beverly johnson someone who is so famous, different? >> it's interesting. some of the story is very, very similar. the come to the home, audition for, you can audition for me, i'll be a mentor and the drugging, very similar. but this is someone that people know. so i think there are many, many people who thought when they first read the allegations, when it was a dozen people or two dozen people. these are women trying to extort him. these are old stories. this is completely different. you come to this with the idea of why would beverly johnson make this up? >> one of the things that's also different is that she said she was not actually sexually assaulted because after she was drugged, she stayed lucid somehow enough to fight back. here's what she writes in her essay, let me read it for you. as i felt my body go completely limp, my brain switched into automatic survival mode. that meant making sure cosby understood that i knew exactly what was happening at that very moment. she is quoting yourself, you are a mother blanker, aren't you? i recall his seething anger at my tirade and him grabbing me by my left arm and yanking all 110 pounds of me down the stairs as my heels clicked and clacked down the stairs, i felt my neck was going to break with the force he was using, pulling me down those stairs. >> this is an even more aggressive version of bill cosby. >> the detail is incredible and it's terrifying about what she claims happened to her. just awful. >> all the other accusers that we've interviewed have a anne y anner eerily similar account. were drugged, they woke newspaper some disarray, their clothes off, not knowing what had happened, but knowing something terrible had happened. somehow she had the presence of mind, to stay conscious, even though she says she was heavily judged and to recount this. >> one of the interesting things, that comes out is that once i saw other people come out i couldn't stay silent any longer. those were women who were again, no judgment on their stories, who were anonymous this is not. what will this lead to? will more people come out now? >> once again, no police involvement. this is one of the unsatisfying things, he's never prosecuted for all the things they say he's done. they don't come forward and tell anybody. in her essay she explains what she did do, she tried to call him, she tried to confront him. here's what she says she called him one day at and his wife picked up. she said i didn't call back the next day or any other day after that at a certain moment it became clear that i would be fighting a losing battle with a powerful man so callous that he not only drugged me, but he also gave me the number of the bedroom he shared with his wife. how could i fight someone that boldly arrogant and out of touch? that's her rationale for why she didn't ever go forward with any charges. >> exactly and it was 30 years ago and the world has changed. we'll have to see how things go on. she makes a point that one of the reasons she didn't come forward as well recently was because what she saw of the plight of the black male and the idea that another black male does not need to be pulled down by the system. she came to the recognition that this has nothing to do with michael brown or eric garner, in fact it was the system that supported bill cosby. his fame was such that it allowed him to be innoculated from these accusations. >> it is complicated for black women. we heard this from jewel allison, another of the accusers, they didn't want to tear down this legend, this iconic man who had broken so many boundaries and glass ceilings, but ultimately today, something has changed. >> can you imagine what it was like, watching the show in the mid '80s as his character and show became huger and huger, representing what it did and having their own personal history. >> the concept through all of these stories is that he drugged the accusers. that probably means that somebody else had to be involved in helping him have access to drugs. these are heavy-duty pharmaceuticals that he is alleged to have been giving people. >> beverly johnson said she could taste it. she knew what it was on the second sip of what was going on. that could very well be. if your first accusations are in the mid to late '60s, going up to 2005, one imagines that the medication changed over the years as things got more sensitive. so yes, you would think other people would know. >> what does happen now? what happens? what is the end of the story? >> this is not a television show. this is not "law and order" this will not end with a verdict and tv cameras and trucks waiting in front of a courthouse. it doesn't seem it's going to be that way. these are old accusations, the statute of limitations has worn off. i think what's going to happen is a slow and perhaps not so slow fundamental change in what americans think of bill cosby. i think that process is going on now. he's elected not to speak. he has a pretty savvy idea of the media in so far as whether it's the c.i.a. scandals or ferguson or new york, something else will fill the gap if there's no accusations, but if people still keep coming forward, it's going to be a change in what america thinks of bill cosby. >> larry hackett, thank you so much. we reached out to bill cosby's lawyers for a statement, we have not heard back from them today. in the 8:00 hour we'll speak live to beverly johnson herself about her disturbing account of what happened with bill cosby. let's go over to chris. we're hearing what one corner of hollywood really thinks about president obama. a top sony executive now apologizing after racist emails were leaked. so what does she have to say for herself? 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>> i think this is a cautionary tale for anyone who use as computer and the internet. as you said, thousands of employees, personal information has been distributed far and wide on social networks. some of the former sony employees have told us that they're already becoming victims of identity theft. so it really is a frightening scenario. in fact i have one friend whose daughter's social security has been sold somewhere on the internet. it's really, the toll of this is truly breathtaking. >> you've been doing a lot of investigative work. do we know any more about who was behind it? the perpetrators? first it was thought it was perhaps retribution for the movie "interview" and it was north korea involved somehow? what more are you learning? >> sony is working with the federal bureau of investigation and with some security firms to try to determine who might be the culprit here. sony is being very closed about that process. so it's hard to know if there are any closer to coming to chose yur a closure and identifying the culprit. north korea is notably dismayed by this film "the interview" in which kim jong-un dies in a rather colorful way. so you know, so that is one possibility. others have investigated the possibility of an internal connection. we just don't know yet. >> mel, let's talk about this. in particular i think a lot of the attention is going towards this conversation of emails flying back and forth between some of the executives and in fact i want to pull up their apologies now. let me read producer scott rudin's apology essentially. he says this is not about salacious emails, it's about a criminal act and the people behind it. it should be treated as nothing more nor less than criminals. now interesting, the other executive, the co-chairman of sony, amy pascal, she acts a little different in her, we'll talk about that in a second, her statement. i'm not a victim here, i'm going to be fine. it's really hard on our employees. the social security numbers are on display, it's important not to forget that a crime was committed and that this is a whole new way of the world. mel, talk to me about the legal aspect of this. because are we underestimating how significant of a mess this is going to be for sony? >> you know, michaela, good morning, it's an excellent question and dawn, good morning to you, too. dawn used a word i found to be really apropos, the number of lawsuits is breathtaking. we are in very new territory in terms of the jurisprudence, forget about the emails and the salacious nature of that. sony has a legal obligation to protect corporate information, particularly medical records. and social security numbers of employees. so they might be liable if they did not use reasonable care from actions of these kinds of breaches. if they're using enterprise-level software, michaela, to store information and there was some sort of breakdown in the firewalls or the security services that they outsourced, those companies might potentially be liable. and they're also correct -- we keep talking about the fact that things were leaked. in this particular incident, not only were social security numbers and all kinds of emails, but unreleased movies that sony was made and not released, have been posted around. that is theft. they are stealing corporate property. and it bothers me that we keep talking about this in the vein of leaks, when actually this is a crime, michaela. >> on the flip side, i'll bite where you left off right there and we've only got about a minute. dawn, if you don't mind, i'm curious, your reaction, amy pascalgate gave quite an lengthy interview are you priced that she made herself so available in the light of all of these embarrassing emails. >> sony has not been speaking about ut steady downpour of disclosures that the hackers have made available to anyone with a computer and internet access. it speaks to the gravity of the situation, after days of news organizations reporting rather salacious details of her private exchanges, with producers, and with others around hollywood. this speaks to the gravity of the situation that she felt she had to come out and say -- look, this could have happened to anyone. she said in ten seconds can you say something stupid. so i, you know, mea culpa, i accept responsibility. it's horrible, i apologize, let's move on. >> mel quick? >> i tweeted out a harvard business review study. women in 16 categories are more effective leaders than men at the ceo level. the reason why is they are perceived to have higher levels of integrity. they lead with empathy. and what you saw in her apology, is a classic example of the difference between how men and women typically lead. she immediately took action, she was concerned and showed empathy for the way this impacted her employees. and she communicated with integrity. those are all hallmarks of the way women lead, michaela. >> mel, dawn, very different responses. thanks for the conversation, ladies. we'll following a lot of news this morning, let's get to it. this agency did a lot of things right to keep this country strong and secure. >> the information from detainees was useful. >> there's coercion that can be used in interrogation and there's the moral issue of whether you should be doing it or not. >> if the bill doesn't pass, then we get another government shutdown. thnchts is not about partisanship. this is about fairness. >> listen, if we don't get finished today, we're going to be here until christmas. some of the worst weather to hit northern california in years. >> trees coming down on highway 17. >> you hear loud noises, crashing, real scary. good morning, welcome back to "new day." i'm alisyn camerota alongside chris cuomo. the c.i.a. director gave his answers, but they're only raising more questions about the agency's use of harsh interrogation tactics and whether they worked. some say john brennan tried to have it both ways -- defending the c.i.a., while admitting major flaws in the system and they were all outlined in that scathing senate report. >> so needless to say this has done nothing to quiet the calls for brennan to resign. despite his promises to improve the agency. however one of his predecessors is defending the c.i.a. with a controversial explanation of some of the tactics. we're going to get perspective from the president's former spokesman in a moment. let's begin with senior white house correspondent jim acosta, what do we know? >> good morning, chris. that's right, former, or i should say the current c.i.a. director john brennan conceded the agency made mistakes in using the harsh interrogation techniques. but he also defended those methods, saying in some cases, it's possible that they provided useful intelligence. a view the president does not share. the only thing more rare than a news conference held inside the c.i.a. was the admission from the agency's director, john brennan, that terror detainees swept up after 9/11 were abused. >> in a limited number of cases, agency officers used interrogation techniques that had not been authorized, were abhorrent, and rightly should be repudiated by all. >> but brennan would not call it torture. >> i will leave to others how they might want to label those activities. >> brennan's explanation -- the c.i.a. was not ready after 9/11. >> the program was uncharted territory for the c.i.a. and we were not prepared. >> and he maintained the agency's enhanced interrogation techniques or eits, produced intelligence. even though he conceded it was unknowable if the same results were obtainable without harsh methods. >> it is our considered view that the detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques provided information that was useful and was used in the ultimate operation to go against bin laden. >> that's in sharp contrast to the torture report from democratic senate intelligence committee chair, dianne feinstein. she responded to brennan in a tweet that critical intelligence that led to bin laden was unrelated to eits, but former c.i.a. officials insist they were doing what was necessary to stop more attacks on the u.s. >> we didn't have the luxury of time. we had a ticking time bomb situation. >> on the lead, former c.i.a. director michael hayden defended the forced rectal feeding of detainees. >> it was intravenous with needles, which would be dangerous with a noncooperate i have been detainee. >> you were giving pine nuts and -- >> jake, i'm not a doctor, but what i am told is this is one of the ways that the body is rehydrated. these were medical procedures. and to give you a sense -- >> you really defending rectal rehydration? >> i'm giving you a sense of how the report was put together. this activity that was done five times, in each time for the health of the detainee, not part of the interrogation program. not designed to soften him up for any questioning. >> critics ask what's the difference between harsh interrogations under president bush and classified drone attacks under president obama? one intelligence committee member insisted, the drone program is legal. >> i believe that the c.i.a. is acting within the law in the intentions right now. that's as far as i want to go. >> now, all of these attacks on the c.i.a. prompted a spirited defense from former president george h.w. bush, who said in a statement last night he felt compelled to reiterate his confidence in the men and women who work there. of course former president george h.w. bush was not only the director of the c.i.a., the headquarters is named after him. alisyn? >> all right jim, thanks so much. joining us to talk more about the fallout over the c.i.a. report and the drone program, and all the troubling questions is cnn soer political commentator and former white house press secretary jay carney. let's talk about the press conference from john brennan yesterday. it was so unusual, it was unprecedented to have this press conference. at the c.i.a. did you think that this helped john brennan? what were your impressions? >> i think on the margin it is helped john brennan. let me just say having worked with him when i was in the white house, i know he was an extraordinarily capable individual effective as the president's counterterrorism adviser and the c.i.a. director. i simply disagree with his conclusions that the techniques were necessary. i think the techniques themselves were torture, whether they were authorized by the justice department or not. what i think director brennan demonstrated was his intense desire to move on. that he wishes this weren't still a topic of conversation. because it undermines morale at the c.i.a. and puts into question the ethics of a whole generation of c.i.a. officers. with whom brennan worked. but i think it's incredibly important, that we need to open this chapter in history and make it clear what happened, so that these kinds of activities aren't repeated. i think the senate report is filled with details that demonstrate that eits, enhanced interrogation techniques did not work, were not necessarily and that most if not all of the valuable intelligence that our interrogators gleaned in the hunt for bin laden and in thwarting attacks, came from other methods that weren't torture. >> jay, in all of the hue and cry about the torture tactics that have now been confirmed by this senate report, there's another cold front that is beginning -- and critics say there's an equally unethical practice happening right now. and that is the obama administration's drone program. even former c.i.a. officials say how can we be so outraged over the so-called torture tactics when we're killing people, often civilians, with the flick of a switch from the sky. here is jose rodriguez, he's the former head of the c.i.a. clandestine services on this topic. listen. >> this administration actually does not take any prisoners. they prefer to kill them from afar using drones. and somehow they feel that because they kill from a distance, somehow it's more ethical. more ethical than the difficult and messy and unpleasant task and mission of actually interrogating prisoners. >> jay, what about that? is it more ethical to kill people from the sky rather than the torture tactics we've seen? >> these are definitely profound questions, i think the legal structure around the drone program is a lot more sound than the so-called torture memos that authorized enhanced interrogation techniques under the previous administration. >> how so, how are legal structures around killing people, hundreds of whom have been civilians, even though it's shrouded in secrecy. >> every incident in the world history involves civilian casualties. drone strikes are certainly much more precise for example than the bombing of dresden in world war ii or bombings in vietnam or other efforts or bombings in desert storm in the '90s, but there's no question that tragedies happen and that civilians are lost. i think the real question about the drone program is is it counterproductive in the sense that it creates more animosity towards the united states in areas around the world than it is effective in eliminating terrorists? i think that's a bigger question. i think it marginally is effective on the plus side. but when it comes to the legal structure, think it's more sound. >> but jay, you can't dismiss the ethical questions about the drone program. because -- >> oh no, i wouldn't, i wouldn't at all. >> what we know, we don't know much. because much of it is shrouded in secrecy. we believe there have been more than 2400 people killed in these drone strikes. not all of them terrorists. at best, they're suspect. there's no adjudication, sometimes children are killed, sometimes their families are killed. is it time for to us take a good, hard look at what the u.s. is doing with this? >> i think the answer is yes. in terms of continued look at these programs, and an effort to bring more of them into the light. away from c.i.a. jurisdiction under and towards pentagon jurisdiction, which is not as classified and therefore more transparent. but i think again, when you talk about the tragedy of civilian casualties, you have to put it in the context of a broader effort to eliminate and take on terrorists who are trying to harm the united states and still are trying to do that. so and the justification for the drone program is, if we don't have the capacity to go in and capture a terrorist who is actively plotting to attack u.s. interests or allied interests, then our options are, and the host country has no capacity to get him, then we either ignore the fact that we're capable of eliminating him or we take the shot. there's no question that there are risks associated with taking a shot. there are sometimes civilian casualties. but i think again, the legal reasoning behind that is stronger than the reasoning behind torture. >> of course you remember that the c.i.a. says they were waterboarding people because they, there was the possibility of an imminent attack and they had to get information out of khalid sheikh mohammed or abu za pa zubaydah, to prevent these attacks. the rationale for the drone program sounds like the same raegsale that the c.i.a. was using with the torture tactics and maybe we're umaking the sam mistakes again. >> torture is profoundly illegal. fighting an enemy trying to eliminate you using lethal weapons is obviously something that's been the conduct of war for centuries. but that doesn't mean there aren't ethical questions here and the remove that a drone strike allows, the fact that you can kill from so far away, obviously raises moral and ethical implications, even if the result is the same. of you know, a kind of a mortar attack from a closer distance. so -- i think that these issues are really, really important. the torture matter is i think more profound. because torture is illegal internationally. the bush administration went through extreme contortions to try to justify techniques that by any other name were torture. i certainly don't think those individuals who used enhanced interrogation techniques that were authorized ought to be prosecuted. they were doing what they were told was legal. but the authors of those reports and the defenders of them, including vice president cheney, i think have at least a lot on their conscience. if not more. >> all right. jay, thanks so much for trying to make sense of all of this for us. nice to see you this morning. >> thank you, alisyn. >> over to chris. extreme weather is in the mix from california to canada. the west coast is getting hammered by a very powerful and deadly storm. ferocious hurricane-force winds, heavy rain, hundreds of thousands of people without power. they're now two deaths being blamed on the storm so far. and it is far from over. so let's get to dan simon, live in san francisco with the latest. we know that it's kind of moved past there. but now other areas are being exposed. what do we know? >> good morning, chris. well conditions here in san francisco are improving, as the storm moves south. l.a., they're going to be the next to get absolutely drenched here. but a lot of work here to do in northern california. utility crews going to be working around the clock. still 250,000 people without power from california to the canadian border. but this is certainly a storm that lived up to its hype. you had a lot of trees that fell down. you had parking lots that looked like lakes. things of that nature. roof collapses. but chris, one of the questions that we've been get something lou is this going to impact the california drought. well, this is certainly a step in the right direction. if you talk to experts. if there's one thing they agree on, you'd have to have several more of these kinds of superstorms before you begin to eradicate the drought. certainly not the way you want to do it. but obviously this moisture given all the impact that it's had, it's still some welcome relief. but the bottom line is -- utility crews going to be out in full force trying to get power restored. because that's when you truly return back to normal. >> we'll check back in with you. >> is that sobering to think they've wiped out three years of drought with one massive storm? >> right. but i guess it's doing it the wrong way. you were trying to explain to me the ground there can't absorb -- >> it's not as absorbant as anywhere else. you don't see a lot of water pooling anywhere. it sits on top and there's nothing to grab on to, especially after fires wipe away the ground cover. >> they need it spread out. another cosby accuser coming forward this time it's one-time supermodel beverly johnson. she wrote an essay for "vanity fair," in it she said cosby drugged a cappuccino he made for her during a read-through for a role on "the cosby show." she said cosby forced her out of his home when she would not stop cursing at him. cnn has reached out to cosby's attorney, but has not heard back. beverly johnson is going to join us live here during the 8:00 hour of "new day." federal charges could be coming for some port authority officials who authorized bridge closings, demanded by aides to chris christie. "the new york times" says prosecutors are weighing an obscure statute that allows charges against members of a government agency that get at least $10,000 in federal money a year, including the port authority which runs the george washington bridge. it's unclear if two christie associates fired for links to the scandal could be affected. the crisis in ukraine, the war-torn eastern region had the first day without military or civilian casualties in seven months since a truce was first declared. ukraine's president says it's proof that the west diplomatic pressure and sanctions against russia are working and it comes after a day of silence proposed by ukraine and russia. a dramatic end to a three-day search for a california man who went on the run with his four young sons. it culminated after a lendy stand-off on a san diego freeway. police officers tackled daniel perez as he began climbing a bridge after a high-speed chase. police began looking for the entire family, specifically for daniel perez after his wife's body was found in the trunk of their car. we are so relieved to tell you that all four boys made it away unscathed. police have skon ficonfirmed th body found in the trunk of the car was the young boys' mother, erica perez. >> but the police have to be so cool-headed in that situation. it could have gone much, of worse. >> a challenge is where do they go, those boys. >> i remember seeing the tearful plea from an aunt who was saying we need these boys back. so there's family that's very much concerned about them. the c.i.a. chief is defending the agency from criticism over its harsh interrogation program that was implemented after 9/11. what about controversial measures under the current administration? 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morally, legally, it is killing people from a distance, with civilian casualties and it certainly happens. so is that better or different than torture? let's bring in jeffrey tuben, senior cnn loyal analyst and former federal prosecutor and mr. clark kent irvin, former director general of the department of homeland security. >> it's a hard question. i think the answer is there's a significant difference. and i do think drone strikes are legally more defensible than torture. at the end of 9/11, congress authorized a war against al qaeda. the war could include bombs, missiles, troops. drone strikes are a form of war, that are, that is actually more accurate and leads to fewer civilian casualties than if you started dropping bombs or shooting missiles in the traditional way. so the argument is not that nobody dies, but that it is a more targeted, more efficient, more humane way of, than the alternatives. >> one of the problems with these analyses, clark, is that it seems like you can make anything justifiable, if you want. one of the problems people are having coming out of the torture report su keep hearing these justice officials saying -- yeah,s it wasn't torture. and it shocks the conscience, that the things we're seeing in the torture report weren't considered torture. what are we missing? >> i agree with that, chris, there's no question but that the reason that the administration, the bush administration considered those techniques not to be torture, is because they clearly were, they were defined in such a way that they were not considered to be torture. it's anal n alice in wonderland answer. as jeff said, i agree and for me it's an easier question. the reason that the drone tool is used, is because it's a much more surgical and precise one. these drones can hover for hours or days to make it as we can be, that the person targeted is in fact the person whom we want to target. >> here's the problem though, clark -- people who matter disagree with you two guys, let's put up the full screen. start with john mclaughlin. former deputy c.i.a. director. this is what he said in an npr interview tuesday. i suspect you had a similar graphic description, if you had a similarly graphic description of what happens when innocents are killed in a drone strike, you'd be equally disturbed by what you read. so he's saying there that there is an equivalency to the two things. you are killing people, you are doing horrible things. somewhat indiscriminately in the name of a righteous behavior. how is that any different? >> well, it's not different. we node that when we're going to have a war, we're going to have civilian casualties. i mean that's just, it's been true in every war in history. the question is, do drones, are drones so different from other weapons, are they really worse? and i think the evidence is, they're not perfect. obviously, but they're better than the tools we had before. >> now, you know, maybe we're getting lost in the direct comparison versus just the basic question, clark of, now that we're talking about what we should do and what we shouldn't -- drones, as putting that in the spotlight, john yu, former justice department official under the bush administration said rather than capture terrorists, which produces the most valuable intelligence on al qaeda, mr. oama has relied almost exclusively on drone attacks and has been able to dodge difficult questions over detention. but those deaths from the sky violate personal liberty far more than the waterboarding of three al qaeda detainees ever did. >> do you agree with that? >> i think the reason is, as i say, is because as the tools in the tool box goe, it's the most surgical one. of course civilians are killed in drone strikes, but the numbers relatively speaking are relatively few. the techniques used on these detainees were clearly abhorrent. the c.i.a. director has admitted that. and there is no question but that it's just a horse of a different color. >> and john yu, by the way, is the author of the disgraced and discredited memo that said waterboarding was not torture. so you know, what you see is some after-the-fact rationale for trying to make the next president look worse. but i mean i just, i think for the guy who wrote that horrible memo that has since been withdrawn about torture, you know -- consider the source. >> you have the american people in just about every poll saying we don't care what you do to bad guys, especially after 9/11. keep us safe. so there's a little bit of what you know power the people give government in this, but it's also raising real trust issues, because when you hear them saying yeah, that's not torture? that makes you think -- well can we trust the decisions that they're making? if they say this isn't torture, you know, what does that mean jeffrey in terms of whether we trust the process that's being applied? >> and you know, i think you put your finger on a very important point here. is that you know, i hate to be lawyer-centric. as you look at the whole controversy that's happened since the report has come out, a lot of it goes back to the lawyers. the lawyers at the beginning, the john yus, the jay bibys, who said all of these eits, waterboarding, hanging people from the ceiling, was not torture. so that led to all the horrible misdeeds in the field. but if you have lawyers of courage and intelligence and integrity in the first place, who said you know what, don't do this. a lot of these problems would have been avoided. >> i think the trouble for a lot of people in this discussion right now is that they're saying, boy, if these guys won't call it what it was, and own it, what else does that mean that we need to know about going forward? 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>> i believe it's theirs. one more story, pope francis says there is a place for pets in paradise. the pope said during an appearance in st. peter's square said dogs, along with all of god's creatures, can go to heaven. the pope apparently was trying to comfort a young boy who was mourning the death of his dog. you tell it to that face. >> if that isn't media manipulation, i don't know what is. look, the damned puppy. >> look at this. >> literally everyone just went, awwww. >> do you agree? the poem poep said, i'm a catholic, so if the pope said it that's the rule. >> dogs seem like they have souls. >> it's the rule in my family. we have the puppy, alabama doggie dog and carolina cha cha cuomo announced that the doggie is going to go to heaven when he dies and she said he will go before me. because he's better looking. >> before you? >> yeah. >> we can't argue. the young ones, they hurt you the most. let's get to "inside politics" on "new day" with john king. hi, john. >> thanks a lot, on a friday morning, you go from cute puppies, to i have to talk about congress. >> i think all good dogs can go to heaven. >> yes, good. >> alisyn, chris, michaela good morning to you. a busy friday in washington. with me to share their reporting and insight, cnn's maeve reston, and npr's wanna summers, we went past the deadline, we're not done yet. but the house passed a new spending bill. the senate will take it up eventually. maybe today, maybe over the weekend. wanna, that's the big question, you need to get an agreement to bring it up under the senate rules, if they get unanimous consent, meaning nobody objects, they could do it today. if anybody objects, it could go until monday morning sometime. that's the clock runs out, they have to do it by monday. the question after it passed in the house, tea party forces were mad. liberals were mad, in the senate, will a ted cruz stand up and say -- no i'm not going to give you unanimous consent. we're going to run the clock to the end. or we don't know? >> that's one of the things that's been fascinating. i've been watching the bill through capitol hill. you hear a lot of things from ted cruz. he's given a ton of foreign policy speeches, spoken on a number of issues. but he hasn't said what he's going to do on this bill. i think it makes it interesting. also as you mentioned, the political forces are really split. you snow tea party republicans, upset aligned with liberal democrats over wall street provisions encased in this massive $1.1 trillion bill. so it will be interesting to watch how the bill passes ultimately we do think that it will. but the optics and the politics of it will be the things to watch into the new year of congress. >> one of the striking things is the split in congress. the administration came out with saying there are things we don't like in here, the changes to dodd-frank or potential changes to michelle obama's school lunch program and yet, they said support this bill. listen to nancy pelosi, normally a good ally of the president, here's a break for you. >> so here we are in the house, being blackmailed, being blackmailed to vote for an appropriations bill. >> the president had to send his chief of staff up. dennis mcdonagh, he went into a meeting with democrats where it got a little bit bruising. what does it tell us not just about the bill, but about the next two years that nancy pelosi is on the floor saying we're being blackmayed. >> i think it shows the limitations of the white house and of pelosi and others. i mean it's just -- it was an amazing moment where you were just thinking -- okay, the election is over. and everybody is going to say whatever they want. what i think will be really interesting, over the weekend is if you have or even today, people like cruz and warren both coming out, opposing this bill and you're going to have those figures in the spotlight. particularly it will be warren's moment opposing some of the wall street measures. >> she doesn't like the fact that they eased restrictions on how banks, big banks could handle derivatives and whether or not they get bailed out by taxpayers if those investments fail. >> jamie dimon, the poster child of wall street is making a phone calls saying support this bill, when elizabeth warren and nancy pelosi are saying it's a horrible change in the bill. what does it tell us going forward? liberals were screaming loudly, but they lost. tea party was screaming loudly, but it lost. is this just about the bill or proof of what's going to happen in the new washington as we go forward? >> i think that's exactly right. i think this is proof of what's going to happen in the new washington and certainly was a great test case of what power congressional republicans now have and what divisions they're under in the democratic party. i spoke with maxine waters congresswoman. we asked her about the calls from jamie dimon and i think that's kind of very odd to me, i think that moving forward it will be a lot america skepticism of what happened. >> i'm caught up with in the dynamic is this a new center emerging or a new deal-making between the president and the new, speaker boehner has been there. but majority leader mcconnell will be coming in soon and we're going to see, i remember the end of the bush administration, where the democrats, the republicans then like the democrats now were in open revolt against the white house. >> it's so ironic that you have the white house and john boehner leaning on one another you know over the last week. and so maybe there is sort of a moment here where everything is so divided you'll have those bipartisan alliances that the public has been looking for. it's amazing things went as late as they did last night, considering we just had an election where the voters said -- we hate this gridlock, do something. come together. and you had all of this brinksmanship up to the last minute. >> 219-206 in the house. we'll see what happens when the senate gets to it. keep watching. my favorite read this morning, is a pretty meaningless when it comes to what's going to happen in washington and the country. my favorite read is michele bachmann is at the white house holiday reception, she pulls the president aside for a little one-on-one. she said mr. president you have to bomb the iranian nuclear facilities, this has gone on too long and they're progressing too fast. and he got this condescending smile on his face and said michelle, it's just not that easy. >> it's great that she's going out with a bang. if you're going to have a conversation with the president, why not drop something like that. in the final moments. >> let's quickly do a little 2016 business. a lot of 2016 news playing out as we end the year and these candidates have to make their decision, am i going to run. dr. ben carson is off to israel. one of the lists you check if you're running for president, you go over to israel and say i'm a firm friend. dr. ben carson. a conservative exploring a run for the republican nomination. jeb bush facing questions, bloomberg reports about his personal work a in venture capital. including some overseas funds which are tax shelters for the rich. is he going to gear up and run for the president? our "inside politics" friend reporting at politico that people close to mitt romney say his body language is starting to change as we get closer to the holidays, and his no no no about 2016 might be becoming a maybe. because he's looking at the field and he's not all that impressed. really? >> i think we're going to have these stories for as many months into next year over and over again. it is true that he is intrigued by the idea of the presidency. there are people around him who keep encouraging him to get in. it's true that he, you know has some real reservations about the field. but we're a long way from that moment and i think he could wait a long time before he makes a decision. i mean he's got that option whereas others don't. >> he would hold up just like hillary clinton, we assume she's running, if he didn't, what a domino effect you would have on the democratic side, all of the money and strategists camped in and out fort hillary. if mitt romney were do hold out and not give a firm no, but to call his donors and say support jeb or support christie or support governor kasich or support governor walker. he has the biggest infrastructure at the moment in place. >> he does. if you're in mitt romney's camp or mitt romney, you have to feel some vindication after looking at how the last couple of years have gone. i think there's probably some reason why he could hold out. wield some power, play a king-maker role even if he does ultimately decide not to run. carve out a new place within the republican party for relevancy purposes. >> i guess my question is, is it real? or is it just, you know, look if you're a politician, especially if you think mitt romney thinks i told you so on a number of issues and you ran a campaign. is this just ego-feeding or is he sitting around saying whoa, i might do this again. >> i keep asking this question and it's really true that he is thinking about it. revisiting the issue. i just think that there are a lot of reasons for him to decide not to run and so he could speculate as late as you know, next fall. >> to your point especially once, and they will get to this. they will not shut the government down, they've passed a temporary thing for a couple of days. they'll get to in the senate saturday or monday morning, once the government sup and running we'll have an immigrate debate in february 2016, 2016, maeve, wanna, we've been talking about the c.i.a. torture report. seth myers noticed that dick cheney had stepped in, he said the report was full of. i won't say that on a family friendly morning show. dick cheney said the report was full of this. seth myers says this. >> cheney attacked critics of the c.i.a.'s interrogation techniques saying what are we supposed to do? kiss him on both cheeks and say, please, please, tell us what you know? though, to be fair, getting kissed by dick cheney is also banned by the geneva convention, it's very clear. it is very clear. >> a tough week, a little humor doesn't hurt at all on a friday. >> chris doesn't give that one a thumb's up. >> i think he could have done better. >> could have done better. >> that was like a four or five. >> always next week. >> thanks so much, john. make sure that you watch john king and his "inside politics" panel break down the biggest political news of the week every sunday at 8:30 a.m. eastern. all right. now we know that we have a problem with race in this country. and we know that we've been seeing it play out after these grand jury decisions in ferguson and in new york and other situations. so what are we going to do about it? how do we get it straight? do you know who's going to help us? a bunch of kids. we have the kiddie cabinet coming your way. wait until you hear what the youngest of us have do say about what matters most. you will learn, i promise from the kiddie cabinet. holidays? 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>> uh-huh. >> there's trouble? we have to figure it out. will you help me figure out some trouble? >> yes. >> all right. good, so who knows about what's been happening around the country right now with the grand juries and the police and unarmed black men. you've all heard about this? william have you been hearing about it a lot? >> six months. >> you've been hearing about it for six months. what do we know, gabrielle, what's happened? >> people are fighting, they say the police aren't working hard enough to do stuff. help me more, adriana. >> on the news there was a black guy and a policeman choked him. >> and people are angry. >> uh-huh. >> why are they angry, william? >> they're angry because not only was he selling illegal cigarettes but they choked him out and when he went to court, the jury said, it was okay and they let him go. >> and is that wrong? >> yes. >> why? >> because in case it happens again, then then they can't just let him go again. they have to make sure this it stops before it happens again. >> when you see police, are you afraid? >> no. >> anybody? sometimes when you see police you're a little afraid? >> yes. >> why? >> i see a lot of bad things happening. not a very good things. >> so the police, when you see them usually something bad is going on? >> yes. >> and what do you think the police are doing there? are they there to hurt people or are they there to help people? what are they doing there? >> they're there to help people. >> your parents ever talk to you about how to be around police? >> yes. >> nolan? anybody ever tell you how to act around police? >> yes. >> what do they say? >> well they say to just like be nice and be calm and not do anything wrong. >> nicolette anybody ever tell you anything like that? >> no. >> nicolette, describe knollen in three words. >> has a sweater, he has a tie and he has a mike. >> okay, gabriel, take a look at nicolette, describe her in three words. >> she has a little gown, a black vest and brown hair. >> you did not refer to nolan as being brown or black of skin. why not? >> because it's, it's like a bad thing to say. >> what wouldn't you say if you were going to say if you were going to help people find me. wouldn't you say what color i was? >> i would say he was a white male tall, brown hair, blue eyes. >> jacked. >> jacked. >> is it bad if you describe me that way? >> if someone says you look black and they just say that, that should be okay. but if they're making fun of them for their color, that's when the problems start to happen when they say about the color. >> so i don't judge you by how you look and you don't judge me by how i look. you're supposed to judge me by. what are you supposed to judge me by, william? >> how you act. >> how i act. if i'm a police officer and i see you, am i supposed to, what if i say mmm, i've arrested a lot of guys who look just like you. is that the right thing for me to do? >> no, you have to at least give them a chance. >> give them a chance. >> now you're kids, right? you seem smarter than kids that i remember being your age. but if this is so simple for you, how come the adults aren't getting it right? kiara? >> because the adult, some adults don't understand how to be kind to one another. because they're going to think they're adults and since they're older, they don't have to listen to the kids. but it ends up somehow that the kids might be right. >> the kids might be right. >> do you remember in school when they had to teach you, hey, da gabriel, your skin somebody kind of brown and nicolette's is kind of white but you should be same to each other. do you remember anybody actually saying that to you? >> no. >> so if nobody had to teach you that, what happens when you get older? gabriel? >> they usually forget because they're getting older and stuff like that happens. to them and they start to forget stuff. >>fy went over to nolan, i wouldn't just go over there and say, since he's black i don't like him. the color matters nothing to me. >> color matters nothing to me. those are third and fourth graders at immaculate conception school in queens, which is where i went. >> first of all they're adorable. what they say is profound. it's nice that they have no bad connotations with the police, you asked them a couple of times, they know the police are there to protect them and they're helpful. >> absolutely. >> several said they want to be cops. but also you know, they hear what we're saying. they hear what's going on. >> they're sponges, they're aware of what's going on. >> they need to be reinforced and hear the right things. one of the things that's getting lost in the dialogue is it's not just about the politics of it bandying about how we feel about things, you've got a whole generation out there who is waiting to learn how to be and thank god it seems they're better than we are. >> and it's so important to have the conversations with children, age-appropriate conversations about what's going on. >> so you're sitting down and having conversations, i've been doing that with my kids. it's hard for kids to understand why all of this is happening, but you have to have the conversations. >> there's an innocence that might be an intelligence. >> we need the kiddie cabinet more, my friend. >> we need to hear what they have to say about immigration and isis. wait until you see this -- a skier goes on a wild ride zoominging down a narrow crevice with just inches to spare. his daring ride seen through the lens of his helmet cam. how did he do this? 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defiant. the head of the cia defends the agency's harsh interrogation tactics but never uses the word torture. john brennan does admit some officers went too far. and a powerful storm battering the pacific northwest and california this morning. hundreds of thousands without power, homes sliding into the ocean and streets looking like rivers. this is the strongest storm to hit the west coast in years. we're live with the latest. telling her story. famed supermodel beverly johnson breaks her silence, saying she, too, was drugged by bill cosby. the disturbing details of how she says the comedian made advances on her during an audition for "the cosby show." beverly johnson joins us live this morning. your "new day" continues right now. good morning. welcome to "new day." it's friday, december 12th, just after 8:00 in the east. chris cuomo and alisyn camerota here. how can the director of the cia defend his agency but admit he does not know if enhanced interrogations helped slow terrorism? well, that's what john brennan did, and now as a result, there are questions building about the future of him and the agency. >> so, brennan is promising changes in the way of that scathing senate report, but what those changes are remain unclear, and what's next for the cia? let's get right to senior white house correspondent jim acosta with all the latest developments. good morning, jim. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn and chris. cia director john brennan was trying to sort of have it both ways yesterday at that unprecedented news conference at cia headquarters. he conceded the agency made mistakes in using those harsh interrogation techniques, but he said in some cases, it's possible those methods provided some useful intelligence, in particular, he said, in the hunt for osama bin laden. but as you mentioned, chris, he did not use the word torture in a quote that will be long remembered after he's gone from the cia. here's what he had to say. >> they went outside of the bounds in terms of their actions as part of that interrogation process. and they were harsh. as i said, in some instances, i consider them abhorrent and i will leave to others how they might want to label those activities. >> reporter: now, as for senator dianne feinstein, the chair of the senate intelligence committee that produced that controversial torture report, she listened to what john brennan had to say and she responded via twitter. as for that claim that some of these interrogation techniques may have helped in the hunt for osama bin laden, she said no. critical intelligence that led to bin laden was unrelated to eits or those enhanced interrogation techniques. one thing that's also important to point out is that what john brennan had to say yesterday, that it's possible that some of these interrogation methods provided useful intelligence, that goes way beyond what the white house was saying all week long, way beyond what the president has been willing to say. he even called it torture. but you've been saying all morning, you know, is it possible that john brennan's head will roll? the white house has been saying all week long that the president has full confidence in this cia director. >> jim, thank you very much. appreciate the reporting. so, one of the things you may not know about this senate report is that it references two psychologists who developed this controversial program, and one of them has identified himself as james mitchell. he is deeply critical of the report. here's what he told cnn. >> i think it's a partisan pile of crap. i think primarily, it's an attempt to smear the men and women of the cia as the democrats leave their position of authority. >> crap seems to be the new buzz word surrounding the riskance to this report. let's get a little deeper than that. steven soles is a professor of psychoanalysis and co-founder of the coalition for ethical psychology. very good to have you, professor. when you talk about ethical psychology, can you square that at all with what was done in the formation of this program? >> first, thanks for having me here. and the way we square it with what was done is that we formed our group opposed to this type of activities by psychologists. they violate the ethics of not only psychology but all the health professions. it's basically based on a principle of do no harm in helping people. and what mr. mitchell and others were doing with the cia was in direct violation of this. they were using their psychological knowledge and expertise to hurt people, to harm people. as the report says, probably to no avail as well. >> what do you think they were using? like, what kind of tools does a psychologist have that become useful in figuring out how to torture people? >> well, that's an interesting question, because in some sense, the so-called enhanced interrogation tactics that they developed were those that have been used by torturers for a long period of time. in fact, they learned about them from the military school of survival, resistance and escape. where service members who may be captured by a power that violates the geneva conventions that tortures people are subjected to a brief regimen of these torture techniques in order to sort of try and inoculate them. that was developed in response to communist brain-washing techniques. so, there's really no secret there, but one thing that mitchell and jessen brought -- jessen is the other person, the other psychologist there -- brought to this was the patina of science. they claimed the basis on a psychological theory called learned helplessness. >> learned helplessness. >> learned helplessness. >> what is that? >> learned helplessness is based on experiments with dogs. they were strapped in cages so they couldn't get out and then they were given electric shocks. and they became, eventually became helpless. they gave up trying to escape. and then you remove the straps and they still don't escape. so -- >> people from your community are saying that one of the tragedies here is that for all of the horrible things that we hear being done, that what works best psychologically to break someone down is sleep deprivation, and that they believe that is what worked with ksm, khalid shaikh mohammed, that's what made him break down, not the horrible things they were doing to him. is that true? >> that's probably true. i mean, sleep deprivation and isolation are really the essence of these techniques. all the rest of it is sort of icing on the cake. sleep deprivation is awful. and we're talking about in some cases, you know, six or more days without any sleep. but in a lot of cases, what they call sleep deprivation wasn't just that. it was being strapped in such a way that you were standing for days on end. your feet -- >> is there any justification -- >> -- would get swollen -- >> from the psychological perspective, are there legitimacies, or is it still torture, no matter who developed it? >> that is torture. my perspective and that of my colleagues, extended sleep deprivation is in torture. it is in some sense the essence of torture. research shows that the long-term effects of techniques like sleep deprivation on people are similar to the so-called physical torture. >> so, how do you justify or how do you explain so many officials from the department of justice and otherwise, lawyers, who are supposedly, arguably intelligent, saying it's not torture, it's okay, you can do it? >> well, i think they decided they wanted to do it and they twisted the laws in order to justify it. >> professor soles, thank you very much. we appreciate you coming on to explain why you're very resistant to this type of enterprise and thank you for helping us forward this conversation. appreciate it. alisyn? it was another contentious battle, but after a long day of uncertainty, the house managed to pass a bill to keep the government running. the house narrowly passed the $1.1 trillion package, despite objections from house democrats. let's bring in chief congressional correspondent dana bash, live in washington with all the behind-the-scenes haggling. good morning, dana. >> reporter: exhausting haggling. this kind of brinksmanship was supposed to be over with this bill because it was negotiated in a bipartisan way. it had support from democrats and republicans in the house and the senate. but what happened is that there was a surprise issue that touched a raw nerve, and that is something that everybody remembers all too well what happened with the financial meltdown in 2008. democrats were very concerned that this rolled back too much wall street reforms. and so, you had the situation where the top democrat in the house, nancy pelosi, came out against this bill that her colleagues in the senate negotiated, the white house was supporting. so, you had the white house chief of staff coming in at the last minute last night trying to convince democrats to vote for it and in the end, it passed by two votes. >> and dana, one of the crazy things about this deal are the strange alliances, these strange bedfellows it created. >> reporter: bizarre. so, what we saw last night walking the hallways were house republican leaders who are always at odds with the obama white house working with the obama white house, trying to find votes for this massive bill to keep the government running for an entire year. and then on the sort of wings of the party, you had the elizabeth warrens of the world, the more liberal democrats, agreeing that this was a bad bill with tea party conservatives. so, very strange bedfellows. and i think evidence that as much as everybody talks about wanting compromise, the wings of the party are very powerful, powerful enough to make the jobs of negotiators very difficult. >> i guess we've just seen the evidence of that. dana bash, thanks so much for joining it. >> reporter: thank you. >> chris. >> arguably, they agreed on cutting pela grants, allowing wall street to have more flexibility to play with derivatives and things that got us in trouble and more money in politics. know that is in the bill as well. over on the west coast, people are waking up right now to widespread flooding, power outages, and really, a deadly monster storm that's moving through. falling trees, two deaths in oregon. one of the victims just a teenage boy. he was in a car and a tree came down. more than a foot of rain has fallen in parts of california. let's get more now on the situation from cnn's dan simon. >> reporter: a deadly monster storm battering the west coast. ferocious winds and torrential rain bearing down on residents, leaving more than 225,000 people without power from san francisco to the canadian border. in oregon, the storm turning deadly with record-breaking wind gus gusts. fallen trees claiming at least two lives. the powerful winds of nearly 70 miles per hour blowing a giant sheet of metal into the windows of this office building in downtown portland. >> it was like being in a tornado. it was such a big piece of metal and it was going so fast. i thought, you know, this may be the last moment. >> reporter: strong winds also to blame for this partial roof collapse farther north. >> i'm not sure i've ever seen anything like this before. pretty unbelievable. >> reporter: the same storm destroying a few homes in washington state. the rising tide eroding beaches, leaving more in peril. in california, hurricane-force winds shaking area bridges and knocking over trees, including this 80-foot cypress tree that pinned a boy on a school playground in santa cruz. firefighters freed the 11-year-old escaping with just minor injuries. nearly a foot of rain drenching parts of the golden state, causing streets to flood and rivers to rise. >> this amount of rain in a short period of time, anything can happen. >> reporter: this grocery store parking lot looking more like a lake, while lake tahoe looked more like a beach. >> whoo-hoo! >> reporter: gusty winds providing daring surfers with huge waves. entire neighborhoods under water. many residents stranded on washed-out roadways, while other thoroughfares closed completely. public transit shut down. further north, heavy snow and fierce winds creating blizzard conditions in the sierra nevadas. a possible 3 feet of snow on the horizon. well, the weather outlook here in northern california is improving, but this storm is now pushing its way south. and now it is the l.a. area that is getting absolutely hammered. we just got word that there were mandatory evacuations in the town of camarillo, which is northwest of los angeles. so, it appears that southern california's going to be facing some of these similar situations. michaela, back to you. >> and one of the concerns there, so many areas, fire-ridden, if you will. in past years not a lot of ground covered to soak up any of that water. it's really going to be a concern. dan simon in san francisco. thanks for that look. let's give you a look at the headlines now. breaking in the last hour, an apparent acid attack on a jewish family in jerusalem. israeli officials say the family members, including four children, were slightly injured before a witness opened fire on the attacker. that suspect has been taken to the hospital and has been arrested. now, tensions are already high there following the death of a palestinian official after a confrontation with israeli soldiers on wednesday. back here at home, over 100 black congressional staffers and lawmakers walked out on capitol hill thursday, raised their hands in show of support for the families of michael brown and eric garner. senate chaplain barry black led the group in prayer saying they were working as a voice for the voiceless. more protests are planned for today and throughout the weekend in new york and in washington, d.c. the justice department says native americans can grow and sell marijuana as long as they follow federal rules laid out for states where it's 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beverly johnson says cosby lured her to his home and drugged her in the mid-1980s. she writes this in a new "vanity fair" piece -- "my head became woozy, my speech became slurred and the room began to spin nonstop. as i felt my body go completely limp, my brain switched into automatic survival mode. that meant making sure cosby understood that i knew exactly what was happening at that very moment." and beverly johnson joins us this morning for her first live interview from california. beverly, great to see you this morning. >> thank you for having me on. >> can we just rewind the story back to how you first met bill cosby? >> well, i got a call from my agent that "the cosby show" and mr. cosby wanted me to come down for an audition for "the bill cosby show." needless to say, i was very excited about that, and i went to the studio and met bill cosby and the cast and the crew. >> yeah. >> and actually had a conversation with him in his office. i told him about my aspirations of being an actress. i had already done a couple of films at that time. and also, i told him a little bit about what was going on in my life. i had come out of a very nasty divorce and was in a big child custody battle with my daughter, my only daughter. >> and just -- >> and he seemed concerned. >> he was concerned. and that's why getting the call from "the cosby show" was such a plum pick. i mean, that was the show of the 1980s. and being on it could catapult you. >> absolutely. i mean, there wasn't a bigger figure in entertainment, in the entertainment industry than bill cosby. and i was a big fan, my family. i don't know anyone, white america or black america that was not a fan of bill cosby and "the cosby show." >> absolutely. so, you take this call, you go to the set, he shows you around and he invites you to his home a couple of times because he's going to mentor you and he wants you to audition for the part. so, you go to his home a couple of times. you eat dinner with him. and then what happens? >> well, he asked me to come to another taping, and he said bring my daughter, which was a big deal for my daughter, who was very young at the time. and then he said that we could do a rehearsal at his brownstone that weekend, and i said, well, you know, i have my daughters on the weekend and i wouldn't be able to do that. and he said to bring my daughter along. and i thought, oh, this is just terrific. and i did bring my daughter to the brownstone. we had a brunch. that was prepared by his staff there. and he showed us the brownstone. he was very charming, very nice to my daughter and i. and since we hadn't had any chance to rehearse then, he suggested that i come back in a couple of days to rehearse for the scene for "the cosby show," and that's what i did. >> and by then, your guard was down. you had brought your daughter to his home and he was being friendly and he was being helpful. so, you go back a second time by yourself. and this time, you again have a meal with him. he says it's time to audition for the scene. and he offers you a cappuccino. what happens when you start drinking that cappuccino? >> so, when we went up to the living room area where he had this elaborate cappuccino or espresso contraption there, he offered me a cappuccino before we were to do this scene where i was to play a drunk woman, which i didn't know that had anything to do, because the part was of a pregnant woman. but i said, okay. and he made this cappuccino. and i said i really didn't want to drink any coffee, it would keep me up late at night, but he was very insistent that i try this cappuccino that would be the best coffee that i would ever have. so, i relented and he gave me the cappuccino. i took one sip. and i felt something very strange going on in my head. >> describe the sensation in your body that you started feeling immediately. >> well, the first sensation was, you know, a little woozy. and so, then i took another sip. and after that second sip, i knew i had been drugged. it was very powerful. it came on very quickly. the room started to spin. my speech was slurred. i remember him calling me over towards him as if we were going to begin the scene then. and he placed his hands on my waist. i remember steadying myself with my hand on his shoulders. and i just kind of cocked my he head, because at that point, i knew he had drugged me, and i was just looking at him and i just asked him the question, that you are an mf, aren't you? >> yes, you cursed at him because you were conscious enough to know what was happening and you confronted him. what's interesting, beverly, about your story, we've heard an eerily similar story from now more than 20 women. and they all describe bill cosby as having drugged them. but they wake up after the fact, because they lose consciousness. you somehow kept the presence of mind not to lose consciousness and you confronted him. and tell me about that exchange and the angry bill cosby that confronted you back. >> well, i immediately went into survival mode. i knew that he had drugged me and i wanted him to know that he had drugged me. so, the only word i could get out -- and i don't swear -- was mf. and i kept saying it to him louder and louder. and for a moment, he stood there looking at me like i was crazy. and then -- it happened very quickly. he immediately grabbed me and started to drag me towards the stairs that went downstairs to the outdoors. and i was, you know, stumbling around trying to grab my handbag, and i really didn't know where he was taking me, but we ended up outside. and it was still -- it was dusk, so it was pretty light out. and all i remember is him, you know, grabbing me by one arm and him flailing for a taxi with the other. i remember kind of looking around at people and, you know, people really recognizing that, you know, that's bill cosby. and a taxi stops. he opens the door and he throws me in there, and he slams the door shut, and i somehow get my address out to the taxicab driver. >> you escaped. you escaped something else worse from happening. and i just want to -- before i let you go on -- read what you wrote in "vanity fair" about that whole exchange, because you say "i recall his seething anger at my tirade and then him grabbing me by my left arm and yanking all 110 pounds of me down a bunch of stairs as my high heels clicked and clacked on every step. i feared my neck was going to break with the force he was using to pull me down those stairs." that's an angrier picture of bill cosby than any of us have ever heard. >> yes. he was most certainly angry. he was [ expletive ]. he was trying to get me out of there as quickly as possible. i didn't know that at the time. and i had, you know, a little heel on, and i was totally trying to remain conscious, but my body was, you know, very -- you know, almost as if i were intoxicated. >> yes. >> that i couldn't get my balance. i was fearing that i was going to, you know, fall down the stairs, so i was, you know, trying to be conscious not to fall, and he's dragging me down the stairs. and all i remember after i got in that taxicab driver and actually telling him somehow my address, i just remember saying, did i just call bill cosby an mf? i was concerned about him, not me. >> right, and we've heard this from other women as well, the fact that he was bill cosby, that that persona was bigger than even the experience, and that that's why so many people remained silent. why, beverly, did you remain silent all these years and are only now coming forward? >> well, it's a number of reasons. the norm is people that have been sexually assaulted -- and fortunately, i was drugged and i don't think i was sexually assault assaulted -- is that, you know, there's shame to coming out. there is this powerful man in an industry that i would like to be a part of. that went through my mind. i had just finished a very ugly divorce with a powerful man, and i knew firsthand what it was like to go up against a powerful man, and it didn't fair well for me. so, and i was, at that particular time, i had spent so much money on this divorce and ensuing custody battle. i knew that it was someone that was a formidable enemy, and i didn't think i had a chance of winning, basically. >> so, what changed? what changed for you in these past four weeks? >> what changed for me was a number of things, once again, but the women coming out and telling their story. i would just look at that television and just think how brave they are. and also, you know, listening to janice dickinson, who was a friend of mine, who to me, i've known her for 30 years, was never a liar. if anything, she's uncensored, and there's no filter there. so, if anything, you're getting the truth and the absolute truth from her. and how she was being treated and how they were being vilified. and that's the norm also, that women who do have the courage to speak about a sexual assault, they are put -- you know, they are the people that are, you know, shamed and -- >> sure, revictimized. >> -- and victimized -- thank you, revictimized all over again. so, i wanted to stand with those women. and this for me is not about bill cosby. this to me is about violence against women. this to me is about one out of every five women are sexually assaulted in their lives, and they don't say anything. and when they do, they have to relive the whole incident in front of a judge and jury, and some of them don't believe them, and they're basicaly crucified and vilified for coming out and telling their truth. so, it was very difficult for me to come to the point where i wanted to speak out. i tell you. it was only maybe 24 hours ago that i finally decided, yes, this is what i want to do. i was vacillating back and forth, i mean, with the climate of what's happening with black male in america, we're having this race conversation that was so needed for so long. and why does this have to come out now, and bill cosby being a black man? but then i realized that this is not about bill cosby, and he's not that man that has been attacked by police. i mean, he's had a very privileged life that i felt he needed to know that as women, we just weren't going to just, you know, stand by and let him get away with what he thought he was going to get away with. >> and beverly, what do you want to see happen to bill cosby? >> i don't want to see anything happen to bill cosby. what i want to see happen is that women come out and speak their truth. that's what i want. i want this to be a platform for women, men, boys, girls, to realize that it is okay to come out, to speak out, to go to the police, to get into therapy and talk about what has happened to them and how they've been sexually assaulted or abused in any way. i sit on the board of barbara sinatra's children's center. and most of these children for the last four years. and i speak to these children, and i come in contact with these very brave, you know, young women and boys. and i felt like a hypocrite if i did not come out and say what happened to me. so, that's another reason why i wanted to come out today and talk about what happened to me 30 years ago. >> we think with you coming forward, there are now more than 20 women who have some of the same exact story of bill cosby. bill cosby, of course, has denied this through his attorneys. they have said the stories are implausible. it doesn't make sense why women would have stayed quiet for so many decades. do you believe we will see more women come forward? >> well, i'm hoping that, you know, we will see women and men and children feeling safe to be able to tell their story of what's happened to them. one of the most powerful things that happened to me, before i decided to release this story to "vanity fair" was i called a number of girlfriends. and there was one particular girlfriend i told about being drugged by bill cosby, you know, having that angel on my shoulder that day that i don't think that i was raped. and she began to tell me a story of how she was molested and raped. and i was mortified! and this is a woman i've known for 25 years. and i said, well, why didn't you tell me? she said, i'm only telling you because you told me your story. and at that moment, i said, this is something i have to do. >> that's understandable. we've heard that from other women, too, who feel that the truth will set them free, despite the risks, despite the fact that your reputation may be sullied somehow or you may get some unpleasant feedback on social media, things like this that we've seen. do you think that bill cosby is done? is this the end of his career as we all have known it? >> i don't know. all i know is i have a daughter and i have a granddaughter, and if my daughter told me, came to me and told me, mom, someone drugged me, i would want her to speak up, to speak out and to speak loudly. and my family and my friends were very hesitant for me to go out, because they loved me and they care about me and they didn't want anyone saying anything bad about me, and why are you doing this, you know, you have such a great reputation. and basically, i asked my daughter, you have a daughter now. if your daughter came to you and said, mom, you know, i've been drugged, what would you do? what would you say to her? and she got it then. she said, mom, you're doing the right thing. i support you. i love you. and yes, i would tell my daughter to speak out. i would make sure she spoke out, and we went to the proper authorities to take care of whatever happened to her. so, that's my focus. >> yeah. >> are these women and men, boys and girls who have been sexually assaulted who have no voice, and hopefully, i can speak out for them and create this platform for them to come forward and to tell their story. that's what i'm here for. >> yes. you have obviously turned this ordeal into something positive and getting a voice for women or children or victims of any kind. but there is still a fascination with what was going on with bill cosby. and what we hear people say is he was a huge celebrity. he was a big star. he could have had any woman that he wanted in the '80s. why would he have to drug women? since you lived through what you claim you lived through, how do you explain it? do you believe that bill cosby was a predator? >> i'm not a doctor, so i cannot tell you the psychology of his motives. so, i wouldn't even attempt to do that. but what i do know, that this was a secret in hollywood. and after i had to let certain people in my business know what i was about to do, the response was, oh, yeah, we know he's been doing that for quite a while. it was like everyone knew! but you know, people like myself, i most certainly wouldn't have gone to bill cosby's brownstone if i knew the reputation he had with assaulting women. so, this has been, you know, something that's been going on not only in hollywood but around the world, where certain powerful people are protected and choose to keep their secret. >> well, beverly johnson, we appreciate you speaking out live on "new day" today. it's wonderful to see you, and we look forward to having more conversations. and of course, we invite all of you listening to share your thoughts on this. you can find me on twitter or go to @newday and tweet us. let's go over to chris. >> all right, alisyn. the conversation just needed to be had and we haven't heard it any better than that yet. so, thank you for that. when we come back, private e-mails made public. sony executive and producer talking smack about actors and even the president of the united states. big questions raised about hollywood, but also about the media. using the hacked e-mails. provocative stuff, next. get ready for some german engineered holiday excitement. at the volkswagen sign-then-drive event. right now, for practically just your signature, you could drive home for the holidays in a new volkswagen. like the sporty, 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>> did we have the snowden conversation? >> that's national security. >> yeah, i think it's the same principle, though, because you're raising the issue of this was theft, therefore, is it proper for the media to have this dialogue? i think it probably is. it is an interest that we have it. it's like a wreck on the highway. you turn your head. you can't turn away from it because it's fascinating, but there are a whole host of interesting issues about this. here's what i was thinking. if you were to pitch this to hollywood as a movie and you said, i've got this idea. you know, seth rogen in a comedy and he pitches -- >> not plausible. not plausible. >> but it's too fantastical, right? but yet, it apparently happened. >> it's true. >> we're not even having a conversation about the underlying premise of the movie, which is the assassination of a current world leader. what if this movie were being produced overseas and someone were making it about president obama? we'd be pissed, right? and rightfully so. >> yes, but it's not should we be having the conversation. it's okay to have the conversation. should we be reading these e-mails? they're stolen! it's like looking at somebody's dirty laundry on the line. these were stolen. they weren't supposed to be seen. now, of course, what they've revealed is a really interesting conversation that in hollywood there's a dirty underbelly, as we all know of hollywood, and they were saying nasty things about angelina jolie and even saying these racially tinged comments about -- >> the president. >> -- about the president, about barack obama. so, it's an important conversation, but it is a little dicey reading the e-mails, isn't it? >> it absolutely is. but i think you raise an interesting point when you say if we did not bring up the comments, especially those racially biased, we'd be giving the appearance of covering up what's happening here, one of the strongest corporations in the world. >> strong point. makes me feel better. >> and it's scary to think that we haven't even seen the most of this yet. because i think that this is now pointing out the vulnerability, right? i think that we have all known, look, hollywood's a dirty place. >> right. >> right? this is not a surprise to us. but the fact that some of these companies have systems that are that vulnerable, it does -- i know that there are conversations going on in hollywood right now, making sure that every one and zero is accounted for, right? >> it's troubling i think for all of us, because i look at it, and i say, well, if they were able to penetrate the e-mail system for sony, what about a mom-and-pop business? what about a medium-sized corporation? you know there were health records? it's fun to talk about angelina jolie. there were health records of some employees caught in this web that with outed. and i think that it's a wake-up call. it's a clarion call for everybody that when you touch that send key, you'd better be darn sure that you haven't put something in that you're not going to want to see in public later. >> and delete should actually say archive, right? because there's no delete. >> there's no such thing, as we tell our kids, of delete. >> good point. we want to ask you about the interview with beverly johnson, supermodel from the '70s and '80s, coming out on "new day" for the first time telling her story of being drugged and attacked by bill cosby. she got away, she says. she believes she got away. and she stayed conscious enough in order to confront him. but she is -- there are now more than 20 women who have come forward. what did you think as you watched her? >> i hope this doesn't sound sexist. i thought, my god, she's stunning. >> she is stunning. >> she's a stunning grandmother, my god. >> it's just a fact. >> yeah, it is a fact. look, it's hard to believe, they all fit the same pattern. i feel the same way i felt about sandusky. when one came out and two came out, you could question their credibility. when they all told the same story, after a while, you say, my god, are they all making it up? they can't all be making it up. there's an interesting question here. the lapd says if requested, they'll investigate bill cosby, even in circumstances where the statute of limitations has run. i've never heard that before, where a police department would commit resources to that type of a case. you're shaking your head no. >> well, look, they'd have an obvious legal barrier to it. however, they could say we're investigating it, because if it's happened before, maybe it's happened more recently. that would be the legitimate angle for them. >> i found it very interesting, one of the things that she talked about very frankly is this conundrum of talking with her family about do we do this, do i say, do i come forward, but also the fact that this was an african american male, and don't african american males have enough issues right now? do we really need to be doing this? and it was so interesting to hear that this, as a black woman, she's having this struggle in her mind. >> yes. and in fact, she also says that that's part of what kept her silent for so long is because he is this icon, he is this father figure, but he was a great icon to the black community. whites loved him, blacks loved him. she didn't want to bring down -- others have said this, too, they didn't want to bring down a man like that. >> is it going to bring him down? >> he's done. i mean, i heard your question -- >> but what's that mean? that's one of the frustrations of this story. >> i think no network is going to put -- nbc is certainly not going to put him in a sitcom. i would be shocked if he's able to continue to perform in front of live audiences. and i watched that footage. i understand that as this was unfolding, people were still giving him -- >> ovations. >> some people told me it's reached the tipping point, as in my hometown of philadelphia where he resigned from the temple university board of trustees, because he has been so integral to the growth of temple and such a part of their success. >> right. >> and i know he was being forced out, and when that happened, i thought, okay, this now is the end. >> you were a big intellectual other side guy. you take other sides all the time on issues. can you make the case for bill cosby right now? >> sure. he hasn't been convicted of anything. and this is all just claims that have been made based on allegations, some of which are so old, they couldn't possibly be proven or sdis proven. >> but that's a facile explanation at this point, isn't it? >> hey, you're asking me to play the other side. it's not easy in this case, okay? >> all right. >> the best -- >> that's the best you've got? the best you've got is that all 20 of them are lying? >> no, the best i've got is that in this country, you're innocent until proven guilty and he's been proven of absolutely nothing. >> michael smerconish, great to see you. >> great conversation. >> see you guys. >> be sure to catch "smerconish" saturdays at 9:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. eastern. all right, you know, if you have kids and they're over the age of let's say 3 days old, they're probably on social media. they're exposed to cyber bullying. you know this. they can be completely monopolized by the devices more than ever before. so, how do you parent your way through it? 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and our big idaho potato truck is still missing. so my buddy here is going to help me find it. here we go. woo who, woah, woah, woah. it's out there somewhere spreading the word about americas favorite potatoes: heart healthy idaho potatoes and the american heart association's go red for women campaign. if you see it i hope you'll let us know. always look for the grown in idaho seal. ♪ all right. welcome back for our latest edition of "new day, new you." today, a challenge for parents, combating the threat of cyber bullying. it can affect any family, even the first family when someone targeted the president's daughters. our next guest wrote "screen smart parented," offering parents guidance. dr. julie gold is here, a friend of the show. i'm an auntie, not a parent, but i sure know this is something we need to be watchful and aware of. first off, i think one of the things that i hear from parents a lot is, there's technology everywhere. kids want to play with my phone. at what age do you actually allow them to have a mobile gadget, at least to play with and be exposed to? >> well, i think the reality is that your digital identity and digital footprint begins at birth, so kids are being exposed to stuff from a very young age. in terms of when to give your children a phone, that's very personal and it's developmental. but my basic guideline is, is that when they're ready to use it as a tool and not a toy, then it's probably time to give it to them. >> i just feel like that's the moment of loss of innocence. then it's offer. it's off to the races. once you give them their own phone and they could be on social media. and i'm really trying to shield my 9-year-olds at the moment from that, though they're clamoring for it. they want phones. >> yes, but that's the point. just because they have a phone, doesn't mean they have to be on social media. look at the landscape developmentally, which means it might be appropriate for a 10-year-old to have a phone, but not to be on social media until he's 12 or 13. >> what about that? i mean, social media's such a jungle. it's so toxic, you know. you can put all these parental controls in there, but they can still pretty much go anywhere they want, you know, especially on the smartphones, you know, as opposed to the laptop controls. and then they tell you it's mine, it's not yours. you gave it to me. this is my privacy. what is the line there? >> this is one of the reasons that i wrote the book, because i really think it's important that from the very beginning, the parent build a foundation. it's not theirs. it's yours. it's a privilege to have their device. they don't own it. it's a tool, not a toy. and that's the foundation that you build upon. you should always have your k s kids' passwords, but the time is you have to have them from the time they're 7 or 8. you can't wait until they're 14. it's not going to work. >> and part of it is their attitudes around technology and their behavior on it. for example, social media. we've seen recently, we just mentioned about the first daughters and their brush with cyber bullying, if you will. i think one of the things, all of us that have loved ones that are teens and betwetweens, we wo protect them from that. how do we manage that? because there's a lot to it. you want them to come to you. you want them to be honest. you don't want to spy on them, but maybe you have to. >> no, we're not spying on our kids. we are monitoring our kids. >> what's the difference? >> there's a clear distinction. let's be clear about the distinction -- >> i call it spying, but you think it's monitoring. >> there has to be transparency. that's why there has to be a technology plan in your family from the beginning. you should be on all social media with your kids, but you can be seen and not heard. no reason to comment, no reason to make a big deal, but help your children cultivate their digital identity. >> responsibly, yeah. >> responsibly. you want their identity online to reflect who they are offline. >> how do you teach them that? what are some good tips for that? because there's something about social media that exaggerates personality -- >> it's true. >> especially in the negative. so, what do you tell them? >> you go on with them. that's why you need to be on, because you need to be able to comment quietly offline to them when they say something that's too sexy or they say something that's too obnoxious or mean. the only way to teach them to be kind online is to be online with them so that you can comment when they're not so kind. and that's the other thing, we have to allow kids to make mistakes, which is why we have to stop taking away the phone and teaching them how to use the phone more wisely. >> we're going to leave you with that tease. "screen smart parenting." might be a good stocking stuffer. all the guys in here have been thumbing through it as well as their parents. dr. jodi gold, thank you. these are important, vital conversations to have. >> avoiding the conversation's a mistake. from good tips to good stuff, today's good stuff comes from a place you would never expect. congress. >> huh? >> yes! lawmakers could approve legislation as early as today to create tax-free savings accounts for families with kids who have severe disabilities like down syndrome or autism. dana bash has this story behind the able act. >> reporter: gop congresswoman cathy mcmorris rodgers will never forget the moment her doctor broke the news about her first baby. >> he was diagnosed with down syndrome three days after he was born. and with that diagnosis comes a long list of potential complications. >> reporter: and a warning. >> they said, now, don't put any assets in his name. >> reporter: why did they say that to you? >> in case cole, our son, would ever have to qualify for some of these programs, they didn't want the assets to disqualify him. >> reporter: to qualify for many government services, people with disabilities can only have $2,000 in assets. and having a disability is expensive. doctors, special schools and transportation, a financial strain for some 60 million disabled americans and their families. now congress is creating tax-free savings accounts to pay for special needs. >> my 21-year-old down syndrome son, alex sessions, an eagle scout, a cool guy. >> reporter: for republican pete sessions, it's also personal. >> and he's learning how to do things, to be independent, and this act will help him and tens of thousands more. >> reporter: the issue created something rare, overwhelming bipartisanship, because so many can relate. democratic senator amy klobuchar's daughter, okay now, was born unable to swallow. >> i was able to see life through the eyes of a parent with a child with disability. >> reporter: what do you think your message sitting together as a democrat and republican getting this done should mean? >> i would say take heart! >> there are still people of goodwill that want to work together to get things done, and that's how we have to go into this new year. >> dana bash, cnn, washington. >> amen and good thing for the able act. that's it for us right now. there's a lot of news, though, so let's send you to the "newsroom" and carol costello. >> have a great weekend. >> have a great weekend and thank you so much. "newsroom" starts now. and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for
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