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ukraine, that was to break nato. he was confident in my view, and many in the intelligence community, he was confident he could break nato. holding nato is critical. i don t think there s unanimity in nato about whether or not to bring ukraine into the nato family now. at this moment. in the middle of a war. for example, if you did th, you know, and i mean what i say, we re detd to commit every inch of tritory that is nato territory. as atment that we ve all made no matter what. if the war is going on, then we re all in the war, you know, we re at war with russia if that were the case. cnn s clare sebastian live for us in london. clare, on this issue of ukraine, of course we know where it is with cnn s erin barnett.

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