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[screaming] [screaming] >> laura: it is a disgrace, that is the statue across from the white house in the lafayette park. was a commander in the french army who helped america during the revolutionary war. that is what happens when radical leftism and sympathizers take over the ark. thousand showed up towedo prote. the question i had all week, where as law enforcement? there was this poor guy. [chanting]d st >> laura: assaulted up youappe would when the police tried to step in the one time, this happened. [chanting] >> laura: the park place, the d.c. metro police, secret service knew this testst was happening weeks ago, so it is unclear why the statutes weren't protected, given what w happened to the sameer park in e same park memorial day 2020. we cri were there. now, we have no my criminals onu video assaulting police officers, committing crimes, and look, we understand there are no plans to prosecute anyone here that the protest is described as largely peacefulrida.ca in florida, iowa, tennessee, vandals were caught on camera doing with these friends arr wet doing they would be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. but in liberal areas if you are a democrat or someone the democrats are trying to court to vote for them, they don't have to worry. and these protesters knew this. >>s president biden certainly unlike president trump supports the freedom of expertise andt freedom of expression. so they are exercising their rights and that is their right toare do. >> laura: these are among the most privileged people outrisd there. they can do stuff in blue states, liberal jurisdictions or as we saw on college campuses, and they can get away with it,su total impunity. here are the laws that can and should be used against anti-american anarchist.fe 1361 is the destruction of federal properly and authorizes a penalty of up to ten yearst fo imprisonment for the willful injury of federal property. an aunt amidst of remember the 2020 riots, the trumd smpan administration issued smartly in the executive protecting american monuments and memorials, noting it is the department of ps. justice to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law anyin person destroying, damaging, vandalizing or desecrating aor monument memorial or a statute within the u.s. or otherwise damages government property.ffic but with biden in office, common sense and the rule of law are out the window. law is supposed to apply across the board to all, but we have two sets of laws cured one for friends of the regime, and one for the enemies of the regimehe where they think of the enemies of the regime who should expect to be persecuted whenever possible. so, what happened to the pro-life demonstrators put in prison for years, the janppen january 6th defendants hunted down, and of course, what we sea happening to president trump. but the fact is biden, kamala harris, merrick garland and college administrators will always cut a break to the people who hate america. look, as long as you areu defending traditional americansa christians, others or if you potentially help democrats, why basically you can do whatever you want to be or that is why those people are spray painting statue and throwing stuff at thh police officer.endi this is what they mean when they talk about defending democracy. if a bunch of twentysomethings oklahoma though through red paint on thel black lives matter mural on 16th street across from the park, they had beenwoul arrested. they had been arrested on the spot. the doj would hold a press conference and it would be a big deal, large, large forces of doe prosecutors would be bearing down on these people right now here to becausthe e we know what looks like when the doj wants to get serious and send a message f deterrence. >> the fbi is quite familiar with large-scale, complex and fast-moving investigations.ity we are up to the challenge. the brutality the american people watched with shock and disbelief on the sixth will not be tolerated by the fbi. the men and women at the fbi will leave no stone unturned in this investigation. >> laura: even this yearts, thes are still sending doj alerts about january 6th and you seeid this guy, the democrat on the hill put a statement out callina for the prosecution of the people who did that in lafayette park? it is clearly the policy at this point of the administration and thdothe doj that left-wing grous can destroy any statute, they can block any road, they can do any of that as long as the democratic party doesn't have to pay any political price. the doj doesn't work for you. y it works for joe biden and the democrat party. we told you this from thehe outset. the statute takedowns and destructions, it was never about the confederacy or property lee or slaveholders or the 1800s, this was about their hatred of the american story. they do not believe in the constitution. they do not believthere in the n declaration of independence or whether we win another war, they don't care about that. for that matter, they don't cara california, illinois, new york, they don't care if it goes downs the drain, look what they were doing to migrants. it doesn't matter to them. as for the democrats in congress, they, too, know theey rules of accountability do not u apply to them not the same way as republicans. asy pe we told you from the very beginning, if nancy pelosi had done her job before january 6th, the breach never would have happened at the capital. and now, we have proof that shes knew she was responsible. this was footage taken by her own daughter of the day the attack. >> any did not have any accountability for what was going on there and we should ha. this is ridiculous. you are goin g to ask me in the middle of the thing, they have already reached the inauguralce? stuff that should we call the capitol police? t i mean, the national guard? why would the national guard not there to begin with? speak what they thought thatth they had sufficient -- >> they don't know! they clearly didn't know, and i take responsibility for not having them. >> laura: she said she was responsible not once but twice on that tape.da the democrat leadership in charge that day was responsible for how it got out of hand.ei no wondellr they kept those thousands of hours of surveillance videos secret until the republican house speaker ordered thease.e release. so by now, i think more americans see the real privilege out there.t co the privilege that protects some of the most corrupt people. the political write a report ony the vat money trail is interesting to me, but we know they will never be held accountable. it doesn't matter how shady their money of sources are ors oflong time drifter racking up tens of billions of dollars forr their whole family tree for thao joe biden lied about not talkind to hunter's foreign business contacts. it is the ultimate privilege,nd and thats is "the angle."late hunter's future now lies in the hands of the jury started late this afternoon with jury deliberations in the federal gun trial. irea if convicted on all three counts lying on a federal firearms form october 2018, he faces a maximun sentence of 25 years in prison. instead of focusing on what the actual crimes are come at theki ngmedia spends most of its time lamenting about what a heartbreaking moment this is for the biden family.g >>no this has been an emotional trial from the start unfolding not only in front of a jury but in front of the eyes of hunter biden's mother.me diversely the jill biden, and other members of the family.th so the closest people in the biden circle inside the courthouse, the force is no different withfa the women in hs familyrect all side-by-side andn directly behind hunter biden. nw the 120 may now judge janine." pyro, host of "the five" and it is interesting job there jill biden flew from france for a day to sit in that courtroom as the jury was still there. the she flew back to france, huge expense of the taxpayers and a lot of people wondering about that what that might have said to the jury. clebut is this a clear case her could weal expect acquittal in u liberal jurisdiction? >> first of all, you are absolutely right, laura, solo transatlantic flight so she could stay as long a bs she coud with the trial and then get back to the trial. look, the biden family is trying to put on a united front here, when in truth, laura, they are as dysfunctional as a family caa get for getting what was going on in that family.on a and giving all the trauma visited upon the biden women as a result of what hunter did and, you know, whether his ex-wife to g,his brother's wido hw who endp testifying, his daughter endedll up testifying, his stepmother, jill, day in and day out. t what the prosecutor actually had to say, actually, ladies and gentlemen the fact that the powerful biden family sittingel there is not evidence.ie they have the power to try to sway this jury and intimidateeyp them in whatever way theyr possibly can. to answer your question directly, laura might never been in a criminal court room we can literally hear the voice of the accused defendant bellowing out and basically admitting he is an addict and involved in all kinds of debauchery during the period ofy du time that he signed thisn pistol permit application. so the evidenc impe is there ane american people should be impressed this judge wasn't trying to string outthey the trh so they could keep someone off ofdeli the campaign trail.tomo they got it done pure they will deliberate. they will have ado verdict tomorrow and only issue, do they want to convict him or not push mark because it's all there. this is a friendly democrat delawarei ju jury. >> laura: i don't see itt ju happening, but i was wrong and. you were right about that jury in new york, judge. i held out hope. cnn thinks the jury would vote to acquit fowar this reason her at a watch. >> a jury could also say waitsdl at the mic wait a second,ri prosecutors you didn't establish used or possessed these drugs ta during october 2018.gh and the defendant knowingly did so. he might have thought so in his mind that hehat a was clean, fg his life u.p and so on.fore >> that is like saying aally defendant coming before me on a murder case, i really wasn't was murdering him. your actions speak louder thanty your supposed thoughts at this point. but what they've got and you have to give every laura credit though my credit for this, basically we don't know if he was using thboe day he filled ot the form. baloney! the statute says are addicted to end the prosecutor shot holes through it and every 20 minuteas he was smoking crack according to his girlfriend zoe. within minutes, he is with w mookie picking up crack and abby comes up with, well maybe he was lying and with another woman. and then abby says maybe he was an alcoholic. according to abby, you have to have the crack on the pistol the application.tion but the truth is, the biden administration has increased the penalties for people lying on these applications. but they think they are above the law and shouldn't have to apply to hunter. >> laura: judge him up before we let you go, the desecration of the statute in lafayette park and the assault of a park polic. officer, no arrests, no pressag conferences, not a democrat that i have heard to speak out against this talk about two tiers of justice, and were six defendants in this? >> i love your "angle" there. look, january 6, they found. them, got there bank records to find them. it is almost as if it's not aes big deal.peop they did nothing to prevent it. these are people and so right, u they hate america. they want to bring anarchy to this country and the biden administration is aiding and abetting and complicit whether the southern border or whether lafayette park. this is why america can no longer handle the way that theno bidens for running the country.e and hopefully, things willl ri change in november. >> laura: judge, great to see you tonight.ario thank you so much. biden porter cracked down, this is hilarious and infuriating all at the same time. we will have the details next. ♪ ♪ norman, bad news... i never graduated from med school. what? -but the good news is... xfinity mobile just got even better! now, you can automatically connect to wifi speeds up to a gig on the go. plus, buy one unlimited line and get one free for a year. i gotta get this deal... i know... faster wifi and savings? 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>> they have a long-term play here as you know to because you don't need to be a citizen to be counted in the citizen, that is one. they believe that is a path to more power and more control.trol if you need further evidence number one, joe biden isvide a . and two, there would be open borders crowd appearances as exhibit 5,438. it is in plain view now and thig memo confirms with everybody that this is window dressing anu they know exactly what they are doing. the as you mention only six m countries noted in the easternsp hemisphere. that means from china, a spy from china you can get her $5,000, $10,000 and you ca n be in the united states with catch and release. a touriseal.t from it -- this hh never happen in the history of anywhere in ther world, laura. >> laura: never! >> this has never happened. no one has done this aloud and been complicit with an impatien of our country. they don't believe in real borders. sapling malcolm americansould literally are dying and i fear it can be worse. there were terrorists here operating in the united states. and the biden administration is ready to trade that for an electoral event. >> laura: the media seem to not really comprehend. we saw what happened in europe p on european elections over the weekend. a populist i came in, globalists for the most part on the run, people tired of mass migration, but the media are stilisl clingg to this notion of globalism that they don't understand american's feelings on this puree to watch. speak with a 62% of americans favor deporting all undocumented immigrants. s alreso homeland security says president biden has already deported or repatriated more people in the past year than any yearwhat since 2010. some of what mr. trump talks about could be illegal. it doesn't seem practical in some sense to round up childrenr >> laura: oh, my god, they are still doing the round up of children. senator, the american people have seen how this has already change their communities, they are schools, compromised our health care, rooms, and a porchr toob my course the huge budgetay problems along with the other problems we have you or but the media are like, what about the families? what about the american families? >> get ready for space bowl style ludicrous speede fearmongering in october. that is what all the democratsi. are left with.port and conveniently sort of reported on this stuff, thet threat to democracy is actually people voting. that is what happened in europem yesterday and what is happening here in the united states, another tsunami is coming because if they would get out of coastal bubble and come to real america and actually talk to people, real people don't understand how the president ofs the united states is willingly opening up the border for theth fentanyl killing people in the communities. the crime you see every day anld the terrorism and don't understand it but all politicsen shot in november here. >> laura: thank you, senator. next biden doj targets a doctorl after he blew the whistle on sex change for kids. he is here for an exclusive interview next. ♪ ♪ we planned well for retirement, but i wish we had more cash. you think those two have any idea? 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what is that all about? >> it is unbelievable. my wife, she was undergoing ae background check because she goa hired as an assistant u.s. attorney in the northern district of texas. in a letter my attorneys wroteav outlining the behavior, she said my wife andrea will not have problems with her background check unless she becomes difficult. e what she was referring to was my wife encouraging me. she knew mike to choose my constitutional right to not speak to the agents with a came to my home three hours before my graduation from surgery residency. >> laura: is there any doubt l, tthat this is political attet to intimidate you and others for speaking out, in a dell? >> no doubt because that is what he told us. >> laura: doctor, we can talk to you foryou an hour. thank you for joining us. look, making inroads into deep red wyoming. it may be because that h is whee radiologists say he was punished for speaking out against transgender surgery for childreh there. dr. eric lubin said he wrote an email urging state legislatures to endorse a bill banning it. the bill passed and signed by d governor mark. but after that dr. cubin said he got a letter from the governor removing him from the state board of medicine before eventually allowed to resign. joni meet dr. air cuban, interventional radiologists. this became law banning the surgery in wyoming. texas did the same. what is their real beef with you? what is it customer >> i wish ie knew what they are real beef wah but what is concerning the woke mob in this country has so much power and influence that they can even affect the weekin governor in the state of wyoming, the most republican state in the country and somehow cores him into silencing the voice of reasoning his state.i a i have no idea, no idea who it sort of the influence here and who caused this to happen.is but if it's really scary is that if this can happen wyoming whatr is going on in the rest of theh country? the spokesperson for the governor's office said that you resigned after receiving a letter from the governor reminding you of theto policy fu medical board members toti remai objective withon duties tounds maintain the confidence of medical professionals on the board. sounds like a lot of bureaucratic nonsense. that says nothing and that is typical bureaucratic speech. i hate people that write that way. it is like cia statement. but your response to whatever that was suppose id to mean. >> it was difficult to read andc made no sense. he also accused me ofssib potentially having a conflict of interest.an quite frankly, that is not possible because it is the i law in the state. somthough mike violates the lawd comes before the board of medicine we enforce that no conflict of interest but we arei enforcing the law appeared's laura, what i would really like to talk about is the children if that is okay. make no mistake about it, this is not gender-affirming care we are talking about. this is gender denying care. these children have a delusion similar to anorexia. what we have learnedcan' with anorexia, you don't treat ittrea with liposuction. the treatment these kids need is love and kindness and psychotherapy. they don't need surgical mutilation of hormones. only reaffirming for these children is that we love them, cherish them, and we are sur committed to making sure they are okay and they get the care that they need. we should not affirm.au >> laura: thrae word gender s phrase, gender is so orwellian.. orwellian would be rolling in his grave, doctor, thank you. the media, are they preparing to kick joe biden to the curb? 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>> i think some of the corporate propaganda and who is pushing for stories because someone is pushing it in a coordinated fashion thinks joe biden is the real problem but that is not their real problem here are the real problem is leftist policie. they are pushing your list notor forget why they have joe biden, pure joe biden is the basebut putting on for obama's third term to beat trump and pace of the mirror on obama's third term and radical policies androja the trojan horse for leftist ideas. they are focused on joe biden as the real problem but it's thee a essence and the american people are waking up and understanding what the modern-day democraticna has become, a neo-marxist un-american party. the american people we don't agree with you o on n immigratin and we don't agree with you onsr the economy and we don't agreesi with you on your ideas or peo illusions of law and order. that is what is happening. i people are focused on the real problem pure the real problem it they want to take off joe biden and smear fresh lipstick on nasty, ugly pig of her left of american ideas. they are focused on the wrong problems and the wrongd fo solutions. >> laura: polling has been so bad for biden even cnn as of late can't avoid covering it.ci >> look atou this tremendous shift, oh, my goodness gracious, now 2024, biden's drop eight points and trump up 44%. he is losing. he is under water the israel/moss war in russia and ukraine war. >> donald trump seems to have an edge in this race. what is president biden doing wrong that this is the case? >> laura: sean, i had to cover this sooner or later you're to be we saw crowds in californiaa turning out for trump. they are lined the streets form. him. and very few trump haters at least which wakly.s shocking tos frankly, i don't know, there is a lot going on they are gettingy a little nervous about, sean.n. >> i think that is exactly what is going on here they are not trying to dump biden yet but if it gets to that point, they definitely will pure the bobr th race in 2002 where he was dead in the water so they swapped him out at the last minute andhey' through an wrinkle altenburg.he about what they were trying to do is raise the alarm bells, hey, guys, your whole strategy of throwing trump in prison is not working anymore. it is time to panic and start changing things up because of the way things stand now, it isu not going well.co the thing about the propaganda press and corporate media, they never tell the truth and theyow always have an agenda. i think their agenda right now is to get the regime reelectedu and they need to make sure thepp people in the white house and the people running in the white house know they are in trouble.e wi >> laura: ned, do you agree with that? i do agree with that but ther. problem they have is they have the scranton show veneer.is good old joe from scranton and this moderate and now what the problem is if they replace joe biden without an out leftist on top of the leftist agenda, i think the gig is up in the masquerade is over.y i totally agree with sean, howre do they retain power? at some point, they will panic because joe biden grandpa dimension is amala hard seller d kamala harris is even worse. >> laura: floated a scenario on x, biden hit all-time low a approval rating paying dropping out would be a big wrist but threshold continuing to run is o bigger wrist the mic risk. are we there yet i don't knowm. but it's fair to ask appear to think it is that point for them in incredibly risky for them to lose this last touch stone to the old seemingly more reasonable democrat party and f that.row o they lose that and look, it is the free palestine protesters in lafayette square spray painting commander rochambeau. it is that chaos.e that is it, and the border. >> right, that might explain that very odd, june 22nd debate they scheduled the pier thatst might beil joe biden's last chae to prove that he still has it.wn i can't recall in memory when we had presidential debates before there was even a convention. it is very strange. >> laura: that is the last chance for joe. ned and shawn, thank you both. 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>> ie will move. w ili can't live in this country f he became president. understand why people are not taking him seriously. >> i think hitler -- >> i would rather push in our life and be stopped by -- that is what the choice will be in 2024.. >> a response to all of this,a, ricky drop this over the weekend. >> as a celebrity, science andor politics, trust me when i tellot you you should vote for. if you don't vote the right wayh a hate crime and it makes me sad and angry, and i will leave the country. and you don't want that. >> laura: they never leave the country. if only they leave the country. please leave. >> you can't bully and harangue people into a political conformity, laura. it is only news if suddenly sean foyt said i'm supportingg bi joe biden. that is news but theselebr celebrities have always been in his corner reporting oppositionh to the candidate here that is hardly news and i think he is right. >> laura: they are not affected by biden's policies. they floated of adverse effects of the policy so they are totally fine . i want to talk about caitlin clark i know a lot of people are interested in thee story. she is probably thpre most important player in the nba. period she left off the olympicc team and reacted with enormous grace though appearance because she had great poise and humility and took it in stride. her record is not perfect andscr the pro, 14th in scoring, but still i tend to agree withs. stephen a. smith on this. >> this girls box office! i said a rise in tide, but whate you do, especially if team usa and you're trying to be globalized, it is an opportunitn to globalize the wnbita brand! you don't sit up there and pass on caitlin clark! it is stupid, team usa, it was a dumb decision! >> well, look, she still has aau shot. chelsea gray with a leg injury and if she she gets out of that roster, there might be room for caitlin clark. but it does seem they missed an opportunity for marketing and publicity in a big way. but she has time he or she is young. >> laura: my free said though my friend said rookie larry johnson and larry bird, it all works out. i have to say that i haven't followed the wnba that closely but she should probably be on the team.. what else? 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$6250 for each of his 28 years behind bars. from 2016 to 2020, 374 people wrongfully convicted of murder, 61% african-americans, have reunited with their families together they spent over 6000 years in prison. years. years they will never get back. that's all for this edition of dateline. i am craig melvin. thank you for watching. i am craig melvin and this is dateline. leading up to this assign what it was going to be like. >> i had so many thoughts leading to this assignment as to what it would be like. trying to imagine going down isoad, knowing it's a one- way trip. this moment where you get your last glimpse of the world around you, but that glimpse is through steelman mesh. >> louisiana highway 66. it's beautiful countryside and undoubtedly not lost on the countless men driven to the place where they will most likely die. that road ends here. the louisiana state penitentiary, a former plantation. the size of manhattan. 28 square miles. most people call it angola named after the african country that was home to the slaves who once worked these very fields. now, angola is the largest maximum-security prison in the country where today, i will be housed with about 5500 men. i am heading into ground zero of mass incarceration. there is a heightened awareness as i walked through here with no guards. for the next couple of days, i will be staying here, exploring key issues of the person reform debate. juveniles sentenced to life without parole. >> we were children when we got incarcerated. >> the lasting effect of the war on drugs. the power of rehabilitation. >> your life is worthwhile. >> the demand by many for punishment. >> i think he's where he needs to be. >> i will stay in a cell to better understand the purpose and experience of prison all from the inside. >> hello and welcome to dateline. we have all heard the saying, lock him up and throw away the key. critics say that has been our country's approach for crime for two we long. they question whether mass incarceration is keeping a safer and what lengthy prison terms mean for many of the more than 2 million americans behind bars. lester holt spent three days in one of the nation mesquite toughest penitentiary and this is what he witnessed. here is his special report. life inside. >> life it angola prison is not what you might imagine. the vast majority live like this. more than 80 men and open dorms, sleeping on bunkbeds. i will be staying in a unit next to death row for high risk offenders are in my case, a high-profile guest. >> we will go down here. >> my home will be on a tier called ccr a closed cell restriction. the men here are locked in their cells 23 hours a day. i am given sheets, slippers, and toiletries and shown to my cell. >> cell 11. go in here, please. go ahead and close. >> naturally, phones are not allowed. all i have is my journal, a pen, a novel, my watch, and am/fm radio. i have cameras around me installed by our crew to record my experience and my thoughts. as journalists, we note to get to the heart of something have to get inside it. the closer you are to something, the more is revealed to you. i soon meet my neighbor, william curtis who is serving a life sentence for second-degree murder. he tells me he is locked in ccr because he has tried to escape multiple times. how far did you get? >> not very. >> he's only allowed out one hour a day. do you go out? >> not very often. the last time was probably four years ago. >> you haven't seen the sun in four years? i just want to get through the night. take care of yourself. we will be here a couple of days. i quickly learned the falling asleep in prison is challenging. the toilets flush loudly and often. cell to cell chatter that lasts well into the night. my bed is attached to the wall to curtis is so when he moves around, i feel it. the bed is not much for comfort. it's kind of a plastic mattress, but it did the trick. i slept okay. breakfast arrives at 5:30 a.m., delivered by a prisoner. in case you are wondering, it's scrambled eggs, grits and biscuits to the sound of a flushing toilet. no country on earth locks up more of its citizens than the united states. while we make less than 5% of the world's population, we lock up more than 20% of the world's prisoners. politicians, academics, and activists say mass incarceration is an american crisis. >> we've gone from $6 billion in spending to $80 billion today. >> a civil rights lawyer brian stevenson is one of the nation's leading prison reform advocates. >> we have hundreds of thousands of people in prison who are not a threat. >> is it about safety or punishment? >> we created a culture that makes it entirely about punishment. >> you might be surprised to us thanks mass incarceration is a problem. the people who run louisiana's prison system. >> nationwide, we lock up people too long and too many of them. >> smith is the director of operations for louisiana's department of corrections. >> it's not working and not giving the results it wants. it's costing a lot of money. we key people that their time of danger is over. >> he says it's time for americans to rethink the purpose of prison from simply punishment to rehabilitation. you say it's about rehabilitation but a lot of americans think it is about punishment. this should be hell. >> they've done awful things. we can make somebody worse. >> plenty of the incarcerated to believe it is just about punishment. >> another day in the field. watch it make soap scum here... disappear... and sprays can leave grime like that ultra foamy melts it on contact. magic. new ultra foamy magic eraser. 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>> life. without parole. >> terry mays shot a man in the neck during a drug deal. you've been here how many years? >> 30. >> like prisons everywhere in america, most inmates get paid pennies per hour. how much do you get paid? >> two cents an hour. >> this job is not one of the more desired once? >> it is the bottom of the barrel. nobody want to be in the field. >> angola is not like any other maximum-security prison i've ever been to. all of this is angola. a series of prisons. they call them camps. you are from camp d? >> yes, sir. today to >> today we are picking carrots. should i be worried about my safety? >> well, if use an inmate, most definitely. >> a majority of the inmates are people of color. in fact, black men in america are six times as likely to be incarcerated as white men. i certainly cannot escape the optics. look around, mostly black men working on a former slave plantation under the watch of armed guards on horseback. it is unsettling to many. i know it's a sensitive subject and it troubled me a little bit. it made me uncomfortable talking to the guys. most of them look like me. african american. the history of this land as a slave plantation. do you see that as an issue? >> i can see how someone would have an issue with the. every land in louisiana was a slave plantation. growing vegetables, it's something given back to the prison itself. >> smith said the crops provide the inmate population fresh food but he says it saves taxpayers money. it costs $1.70 a day to feed each offender. this will be the life for many of these men for decades to come. some have left young children behind who are among the 5 million kids in america who have had a parent in prison. jovan t has two of them. >> you know the way it works. you are in prison, your dad in prison, your kids and children. are you afraid for your children? >> i definitely am. my father got murdered when i was three years old. i never knew him. >> it is hard to imagine knowing you will spend the rest of your life here. especially if you are convicted as a teenager. advocates like brian stevenson say juvenile offenders should never be treated the same as an adult. >> we put thousands of kids and adult jails and start prosecuting the kids and states with no minimum age being tried as an adult. we should never put children and adult jails. >> what about one commit violent crimes like murder? >> we were children and we got incarcerated. >> i'm sitting in on a support room -- support group. they committed crimes before adults and given sentences of life without the possibility of parole. they are called juvenile lifers. >> i was 16. >> i was 17. >> i committed my crime at the age of 16. >> 2000 juvenile lifers like them and presented a. i was different at 17 then i am at 60 now. at 17, i knew right from wrong. how do you reconcile that? >> you have to be accountable. there's no excuse for what i did or what any of us done. >> they tell me they are no longer the boys they once were and are no longer a threat to society. how do i know they are not conning me? >> when we got the opportunity to show we are different, people could see. >> in the past few years, they have gotten new hope to make their case for a second chance. what gives you hope? >> right there. that's our man right there. state of louisiana. >> montgomery versus state of louisiana is a landmark supreme court ruling named after the oldest and longest serving member of this group. henry montgomery who is 72 years old when i met him. you were 17 years old when your sentence. do you remember what it was like to be 17? >> yeah. young and stupid. >> montgomery was indicted for murder in november 1963. the same month jfk was assassinated. he has been at angola for 55 years. >> i am behind 55 years. technology, i am 150 years behind. >> in 2012, the u.s. supreme court ruled mandatory life without parole sentences for juveniles are unconstitutional, pointing to science that says it's clear that adolescent brains are not yet fully mature. that ruling did not apply to people like henry montgomery who had already been sent away as a juvenile. that is why montgomery took his case to the supreme court and in 2016, he won. now, all juvenile lifers, no matter how long ago they were locked up can make a case that they deserve parole. mostly older guys over here? this 70-year-old clifford is one of them. i went to see him in the dorm where he lives. >> this is my bed right here. >> he has been locked up 61 years. since you have been here we have landed a man on the moon. think about that. >> there have been a lot of changes. >> six decades in prison have changed him and thanks to the man sitting next to him, hampton, he will have a chance at freedom. why do you think you deserve parole? >> i would not say i deserve parole. i would not use that word deserve because i took someone 's life. i could say that i have earned parole. >> and faked, hampton and montgomery will see the parole board the same day and i will be there. how are you feeling? u feeling? lester holt (voiceover): one of the things that struck me while walking around angola was how many men i met who seemed to be focused one of the things that struck onme while walking aroun angola was how many men i met who seemed to be focused on changing their lives. one of them is dalton. >> i knew i had to do something different than just do time and die in prison. >> since coming to angola in 2004, he says he has turned his life around by taking advantage of the person's programs. >> i graduated with a ba, 3.91 average. >> he earned a masters degree from a bible college. he became an ordained minister. a couple of times a week, gospel raps his former preaching to the population. >> ♪ >> it is hard to square the man sitting across with me with the horrible crime he committed. your actions caused the death of a baby. >> yeah. >> when he was 21, he was watching a stepson. the child was inconsolable. he shook the baby so violently he died. now he is serving a 60 year sentence for manslaughter. how do you move past that? how do you become a different person? >> at first, i didn't know what i was going to do. it was sickening to my heart that i would have done something like that. >> prejean said he was filled with anger which had its roots in his childhood. this is a picture of prejean and his father shortly before he was executed in the electric chair in 1990 in this very prison for killing a louisiana state trooper. >> kids watch television and they are like, your daddy is about to be fried chicken. by me have been the same name, people would call my name, i would put my head down because i was ashamed of what i believed that name had meant. >> over the years, he said programs at angola helped change him. opportunities that were not available when his father was here and still not available at most prisons across the country. >> there is a movement to try to provide the rehabilitation that was abandoned. people locked up with nothing to do and we know education is transformative. >> education and programs have proven to reduce violence inside prison. angola was once known as the bloodiest prison in america. things began to change in the 1990s when the prison began to focus on more than simply locking up people and feeding them. now, in addition to his popular annual inmate rodeo, there are a variety of programs. these men are training service dogs for veterans. there's even a radio station run by incarcerated men. >> the station that kicks behind the bricks. >> we give them more freedom depending on your behavior. we have a lot of programs led by other guys serving life sentences. it gives them purpose. >> it looks like an auto shop. i talked with john, a master mechanic at the prison's auto shop. >> i did not know how to change a spark plug before he came to prison. >> he has been incarcerated here since 1988 for killing his wife with a shotgun. even though he was sentenced to life without parole, he mentors nonviolent offenders and a reentry program. >> when you can come in here and change his life and go back out and stay out, you know you done something. your life is worthwhile. >> many graduates of the program work in a car dealership outside of new orleans. it turns out his life has been changed as well. 2022, louisiana governor john bell edwards commuted his sentence, making them eligible for parole. he was released in february 2023 after nearly 35 years in prison. but there are other offenders at angola who might never get a second chance. this man, sentenced to more than a lifetime. >> 150 years. >> you will hear his dramatic story, next. story, next. and it was the worst day. mom was crying. i was sad. colton: i was diagnosed with rhabdomyosarcoma. brett: once we got the first initial hit, it was just straight tears, sickness in your stomach, just don't want to get up out of bed. joe: there's always that saying, well, you've got to look on the bright side of things. tell me what the bright side of childhood cancer is. lakesha: it's a long road. it's hard. but saint jude has gotten us through it. narrator: saint jude children's research hospital works day after day to find cures and save the lives of children with cancer and other life-threatening diseases. thanks to generous donors like you, families never receive a bill from saint jude for treatment, travel, housing, or food, so they can focus on helping their child live. ashley: without all of those donations, saint jude would not be able to do all of the exceptional work that they do. narrator: for just $19 a month, you'll help us continue the life-saving research and treatment these kids need. tiffany: no matter if it's a big business or just the grandmother that donates once a month, they are changing people's lives. and that's a big deal. narrator: join with your debit or credit card right now, and we'll send you this saint jude t-shirt that you can proudly wear to show your support. nicole: our family is forever grateful for donations big and small because it's completely changed our lives and it's given us a second chance. elizabeth stewart: saint jude's not going to stop until every single kid gets that chance to walk out of the doors of this hospital cancer-free. narrator: please, don't wait. call, go online, or scan the qr code below right now. 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's case is a prime example of harsh sentencing laws for drug dealers and users the legacy of the government's decades long war on drugs. more than 450,000 people in america are locked up for a drug offense. brian said criminalizing drug addiction is misguided. >> we said this people are criminals and we did not have to say that. we could of said drug addiction is a health problem. >> is that why jails are so full? >> absolutely. this misguided war on drugs is at the top of the list. >> things have been changing. the first step act which was signed into law by former president trump in 2018 had been projected to reduce the sentences of thousands of nonviolent offenders in federal prisons. that does not affect more than 90% of the u.s. prison population which is locked up in state and local facilities. some states had already been relaxing sentencing guidelines like in louisiana which started in 2001. epstein was sentenced under the older and harsher laws so he sued the state and one co-which earned him a date with the parole board. now, he is just hours away. >> i am not a troublemaker. it's about debilitation. i'm a little nervous. >> thinking about things. trying to get my mind that the possibility of me being released. >> you are making a way for all of us here. be blessed. >> his 31-year-old son, a law school graduate, came to surprise him. a three-member panel must vote unanimously to grant parole. our cameras were not allowed inside the parole hearing room. about an hour later, his family walked out first. >> he made it. >> i made it. i made it. >> we were there for his first steps as a free man in 20 years. >> oh, have mercy. [ crying ] >> two other people are eager to follow him out that gate. henry montgomery and clay after -- clifford hampton who served a combined 116 years are about to face the parole board themselves. do you think you should be paroled? >> i should be. i'm 55 years older. i am mature enough to know i ain't going to do that again. >> that might not matter. this is his second parole hearing. he was denied a year before and it seems clear to many why armory is still in prison. you killed a cop. >> yeah. >> the man he murder was deputy sheriff charles from east baton rouge. in november 1963, montgomery then 17 years old was playing hooky when the deputy and plainclothes approached him. montgomery said as a black teenager living in the segregated south, he was startled and scared and was carrying a gun and he shot him. >> i had the gun in my hand and i shot him. i did it and i am sorry. >> they say it doesn't matter how montgomery feels. what does matter is he stays behind bars. >> attack on a police officer's attack on the very fabric of society. >> he is the victim in grandson and today he is a police officer himself. >> there is no parole for charles. his life sentences permanent. my mom, my aunt, my uncle, our belief in the system is its equal justice. >> the family of clifford's victim did not want to speak to us on camera but they told us they do not think he should get out either. in 1958, when he was 17, he got in an argument with his 18-year- old neighbor. he flew into a rage and brutally stabbed her to death. >> i realize what i had did, i walked to the home of the deputy sheriff and turned myself in ski. >> he has another hurdle to overcome. in 1961, at age 20, he killed another inmate. he told me it was self-defense. >> angola was like a jungle. that's what you had to do. kill or go under. >> hampton and montgomery will soon find out if they will be granted parole, but if they are tonight, they could eventually end up where i am heading next. the hospice word. when i want to feel my most powerful, it starts with venus. with five ultra-sharp blades and water-activated serums for incredible glide. i feel the difference with every stroke. feel the power of smooth. 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>> because what they did was reprehensible and there continues to be opposition among the victim's family. whether someone continues to pose a threat to society is a factor to be considered and whether they get released. it cannot be the determinant factor to the -- of all others. >> henry montgomery and clifford hampton face opposition from the victim's families. what will happen to them when they see the parole board? montgomery is about to find out. someone has come to support him. his name is andrew. he might look like a lawyer but he is actually the first juvenile lifer to be released because of montgomery's supreme court case. >> all right. today is the day. >> he served 19 years in prison. at age 15, he was out with a teenage girl when i got into an argument. he became enraged and peter over the head with a metal rod and try to get rid of her body by burning it. you committed a pretty savage crime. >> it was a horrible crime and on excusable there's nothing i can do to undo it. they were able to see how i had changed. >> the parole board said he changed after 19 years, what will it say about henry montgomery after 55 years? you are the first guy who got out and he is still here. >> there is a lot of guilt. i went to prison when i was 15, a white kid, and got out when i was 34. henry went to prison, a black kid at 17 and he is still here after 55 years. >> big day. >> the panel must vote unanimously to free him. they were behind closed doors for more than an hour. this is the audio from that hearing. >> my vote is to grant parole. >> my vote is to grant. >> two yes for his release. then came the third and final vote. >> for me, unfortunately, mr. montgomery i'm going to have to deny your parole. i have a problem -- i think you need more programs. today your parole has been denied. >> i caught up with montgomery after he heard the news. he told me he had already packed his bag. you were getting ready in case. in case they said you could go home. >> yeah. >> you were holding together. >> i got life. i will keep my mind on trying to get out. you have to keep hope alive. >> clifford hampton's hope remains alive. he is about to face the parole board himself. i am realizing he has been in prison longer than i have been alive. i can't wrap my head around that. it was a unanimous vote. parole granted. i was there moments after a surprisingly subdued hampton learned the news. a new adventure begins. >> yeah. >> life on the outside. can you imagine what that might be like? >> excitement. >> a few days later, he walked free for the first time in 61 years. >> we will drop your stuff off at your apartment. >> andrew is here to help him because in 2016, he started a nonprofit called the parole project. by 2020, it had helped more than 40 juvenile lifer's reenter society. his first taste of the outside world, a fast food hamburger with everything on it. >> first apartment. >> his temporary apartment painted with bright colors to remind him he is no longer in prison. >> i am seeing so much that's new to me. i am excited about it all. >> 2.5 years later, he had the honor of assisting another juvenile lifer in his first moments as a free man. in november 2021, 75-year-old henry montgomery, the man who paved the way to freedom for andrew and hundreds of others was granted parole after serving nearly 58 years behind bars. >> in all honesty, henry should've been the first one of us to come home. however, he is home today. >> you are going to do great. >> montgomery and clifford hampton left behind thousands of others who will never go home. they are today's filled with only yesterday's. something my neighbor curtis know all too well. >> this is my son he was killed in a motorcycle crash. >> in my short time here, i learned a lot about the human ability to cope. to accept. to survive. good night. as i wrote in the journal i kept, it's too easy to look away from prison and prisoners. dignity is earned. hope is essential. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. >> that is all for this edition of dateline. i am craig melvin. thank you for watching.
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and move over lassie, the amazing story of this truck that crashed down a ravine and the dog that ran four miles to save its owner. >> announcer: this is nbc "nightly news" with jose diaz-balart. good evening. there is joy and relief across israel tonight. four hostages who were kidnapped by hamas 245 days ago are now free. this is the moment they returned home, raising their hands in celebration. they were then quickly reunited with family. one of the hostages noa argamani, that's her there seared into the public by this image, now, there is this image, her and her dad, together again. embracing, the daring rescue operation played out in broad daylight. the israeli military releasing these images and while the mission was a success it came at a heavy price with authorities in gaza saying more than 200 were killed as part of the operation. and 120 israelis are still being held hostage. we have two reports tonight, and we begin with raf sanchez in israel. >> reporter: her screams were heard around the world, noa argamani hands outstretched in terror before disappearing into gaza. tonight, 245 long days later, noa safe and smiling. telling israel's president, i'm so happy to be here. she and three other hostages, almog meir jan, shlomi ziv, and andrei kozlov in good health after they were rescued by israeli special forces in a daylight raid in central gaza. >> this operation required ingenuity and courage of the highest degree. >> reporter: commandos storming two civilian apartments, finding noa in one, the men in the other. radioing, we have the diamonds when the rescue was complete. a helicopter waiting for noa on the beach in northern gaza. ready to fly her home to safety. and into the embrace of her father yakov. celebrating his birthday with one arm around his only child. the other over one of her rescuers. we first met yakov on october 8. his world crumbling 24 hours after his daughter's kidnapping. tonight, he tells us, i'm feeling wonderful. noa's friends at her side. >> she's amazing. she's strong. she's laughing and smiling and -- >> what was the first thing you said to her. >> just a big hug. and so glad that she's here. >> reporter: almog all smiles as he hugs friends and relatives and then unable to hold back the tears. while andrei stunned to see the prime minister. and shlomi speaking to his wife for the first time in eight months. in tel aviv, this lifeguard announcing the news of the rescue to a cheering beach. but in gaza tonight, searing grief, the health ministry saying at least 210 people killed by israeli forces during the raid, many of them women and children. this woman says she lost two cousins. they didn't commit any sins, she says. israel's military says it called in targeted strikes to cover the commando's retreat, and joy in israel tinged with sadness as 120 other hostages remain in captivity, including noa's boyfriend avi who was kidnapped alongside her on october 7th while her mother leora is dying of brain cancer. but tonight, her final wish, to see her daughter again fulfilled. >> and raf joins us now from tel aviv. raf, what does this rescue operation mean for the 120 hostages still being held? >> reporter: jose, israel's military is acknowledging it won't be able to rescue all of the remaining hostages while hamas is saying today's raid will have a, quote, negative impact on those still in captivity. jose. >> raf sanchez, thank you. in france today, president biden reacting to news of the hostage release, doubling down on the u.s. commitment to a cease-fire deal. kelly o'donnell reports from paris. >> reporter: standing alongside emanuel macron, president biden today welcomed the rescue of israeli hostages. >> we won't stop working until all of the hostages come home and a cease-fire is reached, that is essential to happen. >> reporter: macron added his support for the u.s.-backed cease-fire proposal. that israel has questions about, and hamas has yet to accept. neither leader discussed publicly today tensions with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. over the military operation inside gaza, causing civilian deaths and widespread hunger. outside the white house today demonstrations calling for a permanent cease-fire, and release of palestinian prisoners. those protests a sharp contrast to the pageantry of the french state visit. paid respects at the tomb the leaders also paid respects at the tomb of france's unknown soldier. ♪ and the home of the brave ♪ >> reporter: a visit that signifies this alliance as president biden spoke today about france as america's oldest friend. much of this visit emphasized strong alliances. >> we stand as one, our countries are stronger, and literally the world is safer. >> back now with kelly o'donnell traveling with the president in paris. and kelly, what's the latest on the white house's efforts to reach a cease-fire deal? >> reporter: today, the president's national security adviser pointed out in a statement that that deal has been endorsed by a number of countries, from europe to the middle east. including 16 that have citizens among the remaining hostages. jose? >> kelly o'donnell in paris, thank you. legendary astronaut bill anders who took what is widely considered the most famous photo of our planet has died in a plane crash. his final moments caught on camera as the aircraft he was piloting nose-dived into the water off the coast of washington state. dana griffin reports. a warning for you, some may find the video disturbing. >> reporter: tonight an ntsb and faa investigation is under way into the single-engine two seater plane crash that killed famed nasa astronaut and former air force major general bill anders. a couple watching wildlife off the coast of san juan county, washington capturing this moment, the 90-year-old pilot, the only person on board, taking a nose-dive. >> it was inverted, went into this barrel roll loop thing. tried to pull up before it hit the water but it was too low. >> reporter: the plane crashes into the water, bursting into flames. hours later, anders' body is pulled from the water. in 2018 anders talked with nbc's harry smith about his career. >> probably the world's best fighter pilot. but we don't talk about that. >> reporter: before astronauts could set foot on the moon the apollo 8 crew first had to prove they could fly round the moon and back. >> wow, that's pretty. >> reporter: and it was the photo he took dubbed earth rise that became a part of history. >> when the earth came up over the lunar horizon, that's when it really impressed me as to how much more delicate the earth was, and colorful. >> reporter: his family saying in a statement they are devastated. he was a great pilot. he will be missed. nasa administrator senator bill nelson writing on "x," anders offered to humanity, among the deepest of gifts, he traveled to the threshold of the moon, and helped all of us see something else, ourselves. >> i'll keep flying as long as i can crawl in the airplane. >> reporter: a love of flying and a legacy that went beyond the earth. dana griffin, nbc news. a catastrophe is unfolding in wyoming, take a look at this. it's an astonishing caught-on-camera landslide that erased part of a critical highway. it happened on the popular teton pass outside jackson connecting parts of wyoming with idaho. that stretch is considered a major artery for tourism, commuters and deliveries. there has been a wave of shark attacks in the last 24 hours. two of them just miles apart. two people were seriously injured in those attacks. authorities now trying to determine if they're connected. marissa parra reports from florida.ptured by a florida sp >> reporter: video captured by a florida spear fisherman showing close encounters of the shark kind, filmed on the same day the beaches nearby him in walton countyflorida closed after back-to-back shark attacks within miles in one day. >> you don't ever think it's going to happen. it's like crazy. >> reporter: on friday before 1:30 p.m. a woman swimming near a sand bar, bit in her mid-section. and arm. then half an hour away, two teenage girls seen fighting for their lives after a shark attack. >> when i looked back over my left shoulder, i saw the water filled with blood. >> reporter: two doctors visiting florida on vacation saw the scene unfold and jumped in to help. >> we were able to apply tourniquets and apply pressure, and get the response. it was a team effort. >> reporter: it's unclear whether it was the same shark in both attacks. >> extremely unusual for two to happen in the same afternoon within four miles of one another. >> reporter: statistically speaking attacks by sharks on humans are rare, but friday's florida shark attacks come on the same day that attack reported out of hawaii and after last week's attack in galveston, texas, when a 19-year-old had to fight a five-footer off with her hands. >> as soon as the shark attacked me my body just naturally started punching it, and it was in the face. i did that. and then it ended up swimming away. >> going about knee deep. >> reporter: in florida, walton county officials assess next steps, warning flags line the beaches. >> is it safe for people to go in the water today? >> safe is a relative term but i don't think people should be hysterical or paralyzed. only insofar as they need to be aware of their surroundings and look out for each other. >> marissa is on the beach in florida where one of these attacks occurred. are there any extra precautions being taken there today? >> reporter: well, jose, authorities say they are watching the shoreline from the land, the sea, the air and they said today they have observed a, quote, notable presence of sharks in the area, specifically bull sharks. but they remind beach goers that sharks are always present here in the gulf. jose? >> marissa parra in walton county, thank you. still ahead tonight, life-saving money lost. the millions raised for organ transplant patients now gone. where did it go? also, the stunning new olympic outrage over caitlin clark. >> look at this beautiful step-back. caitlin clark. but my time to enjoy it. but now, i can open up my world with vabysmo. 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the driver crashed it over an embankment in oregon, but get this, while he was trapped his dog named blue was with him, but then ran about four miles through rough terrain to alert family members at a nearby campsite that something was wrong. they then alerted officials, who finally found the man alive, and used pulleys to hoist him to safety. fans of superstar caitlin clark are outraged tonight following reports she will not be on the women's olympic basketball team. jesse kirsch has more. >> clark, the step-back three, just below the logo, drills it. >> reporter: fresh off one of her best wnba performances yet. >> back-to-back triples -- >> reporter: caitlin clark is apparently not playing up to the olympic standard, her name expected to be left off of team usa's paris roster. >> if you're trying to grow the game of women's basketball, you would not do this. >> reporter: the revelation first reported by the athletic, ignited debate. >> call congress, the president. >> reporter: usa basketball says we have not made any official announcement yet, but a source familiar with the decision tells nbc news the 12 player roster includes seasoned pros, like brittney griner and diana taurasi, excluding clark and other young stars, like fellow rookie angel reese. >> carter and clark. >> reporter: the news comes just days after this controversial foul sent clark to the floor, fueling debate about how the biggest name in women's basketball has been received since turning pro. >> does this mean now that they'll have fewer viewers? probably. i think the u.s. team has chosen not to be a prisoner of the moment. >> reporter: the american women have won seven straight gold medals and are favored in paris but some fans argue clark would be an asset not just for her country but for the sport at large. >> if caitlin clark was on this roster, the ratings would be bigger than the men's event. >> reporter: so far clark has not commented on the olympic snub but she told nbc's stephanie gosk this in april. >> you always want to be an olympic gold medalist. i know how special it is to represent usa across your chest. being able to do that at the highest level would certainly a be a dream come true. >> reporter: a dream that for now will apparently have to wait. jesse kirsch, nbc news. coming up next, there's good news tonight. the state troopers making sure this graduate will never walk alone. er w al what causes a curve down there? who can treat this? stop typing, and start talking. it could be a medical condition called peyronie's disease, or pd. you're not alone, there is hope. find a specialized urologist who can diagnose and treat pd. visit makeapdplan.com today. ♪♪ some people just know that the best rate for you is a rate based on you, with allstate. because there's a right way to. stop! and the speed limit definitely isn't. 700 million mph. so why would you pay a rate based on. a terrible boss with a terrible haircut! save with, ooh. save with drivewise and get a rate based on you. you're in good hands with allstate ♪ i have type 2 diabetes, but i manage it well ♪ ♪ jardiance! ♪ ♪ it's a little pill with a big story to tell ♪ ♪ i take once-daily jardiance ♪ ♪ at each day's start! ♪ ♪ as time went on it was easy to see ♪ ♪ i'm lowering my a1c! ♪ jardiance works twenty-four seven in your body to flush out some sugar. and for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, jardiance can lower the risk of cardiovascular death, too. serious side effects may include ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration that can lead to sudden worsening of kidney function, and genital yeast or urinary tract infections. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop jardiance and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection ketoacidosis, or an allergic reaction. you may have an increased risk for lower limb loss. call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of infection in your legs or feet. taking jardiance with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. ♪ jardiance is really swell ♪ ♪ the little pill ♪ ♪ with a big story to tell! ♪ ♪ there's good news tonight, so often the good news doesn't get as much attention as the bad. so, every saturday we highlight the many people who spread joy and love. this is just some of those stories this week. [ cheers and applause ]. talk about a special delivery. that's beloved u.p.s. driver ricky mcwood, retiring after 42 years on the job.gh >> i'll miss you guys more. >> thank you, thank you. >> reporter: neighbors on his route in missouri, celebrating him, so grateful for his decades-long dead ration. >> they can make or break us. and these people have made me. [ cheers and applause ]. and, there were these cheers for kalee manueles. she had to miss her own high school graduation because of a recent leukemia diagnosis. so, staff at texas health harris methodist hospital threw her a party to mark the milestone. it's a moment kalee and her mom brandy will always cherish. >> it was a beautiful moment. and i was very grateful. to each and every one of them who put that together for her. >> they all just started cheering for me. i felt so empowered in that moment. [ cheers and applause ]. ethan michael walker. >> when ethan walker got his diploma from grosbeck high school near waco he was surprised with his very own cheering section. take a look. more than a dozen texas state troopers showed up to support him. after ethan's own trooper dad died in the line of duty. for ethan, these folks are now family, walking him through life's big moments. and here's a little boy who's getting a new lease on life thanks to his preschool teacher. >> she's a perfect match. >> are you serious? >> yeah. >> this is the moment teresa fisher showed up with a life-saving surprise for ezra and his mom karen. >> i have a delivery for you. she has a liver for you. >> ezra, who's had health issues all his little life, needs a new liver. >> i'm going to share my liver with you, buddy. >> and ms. carissa told them she's donating part of her own. >> how do you, karen, thank carissa? >> there aren't words. i can't. there's no way to express our gratitude, and we cry, and we laugh, and we smile, it's just incredible. >> an incredible act of kindness, making a huge impact for the rest of his life. >> what kind of person would do that? what kind of person are you, carissa, why would you do this? >> i am a helper, and knowing him was just a huge bonus for us, and so it's going to be nice to be able to see him grow up and he can make another difference in the world somehow. ♪ >> and ezra is expected to get that liver surgery some time this summer. that's nbc "nightly news" for this saturday, i'm jose diaz-balart, thank you for the privilege of your time and good night. from cisco an update on how they're doing tonight. plus, a longtime bar that was threatened by the flames. a major step forward in a project to link the south bay's light rail to the bart system. see the colorful, groundbreaking ceremony in just a few moments. but first, four hostages are finally free after being held for eight months in gaza after a brutal battle between israel and hamas. reaction tonight in the bay area . the news at six starts right now. thanks for joining us. i'm terry mcsweeney and i'm gia vang. we are going to start with that fire in san francisco that created a scare in the outer
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class="nosel"> that is it for us, thank you so much for watching. remember, if your friends are busy tonight, had a hot date, you and can watch the nightcap tomorrow night, saturday at 11:00. he's turn right here on msnbc. for now i am signing off and on that note i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me, i will see you tomorrow. i think back and i go, this was such a senseless murder. and why diane? why, when she was ready to start a brand-new life? i will never know that answer. spectacles kept coming. >> hi diane, it's 2:00, just making sure you are here today. >> at 2:00 it was too late. >> simone have killed her. >> we had her body at the scene, that was all. >> she had a fiance. >> they argued a lot. >> we had our ups and downs, no question. >> and a coworker with a crush. >> he was an odd character. >> i was always very spoiled lead to her. >> everybody was suspect. >> then the break. tips from other women. >> he wanted to get me in there and i didn't budge and all of the bells were going off. >> i jumped in my car and took off. i felt i had dodged a bullet. >> the who was frightening, but the y was much worse. >> in my wildest rooms i would have never imagined something like this could even exist >> we you certainly had a motive. >> yes, we did. >> ♪ it was the afternoon of november the 15th, austin, texas, 4:00 p.m. something ominous in the air. suddenly, the familiar feel of it against the skin, comping. something big. >> they did tell us on the news, if you don't have to go out tonight, don't, because we are going to get relentless reins. >> and then the sky overhead turned dark, like midnight in the afternoon. >> when stuff like that is pitch black out and you have the fear of tornadoes. >> sure enough, so the announcers on tv, twisters had been spotted heading towards the city, including northwest. >> diane lived in the northwest and i called her i said, hey, girl, they just said there is a tornado heading in your direction, and she said my direction? and she's like, i don't know what to do. i've never been in a tornado. >> so, she was kind of freaked out? >> she was very freaked out. >> then the ferocious rain and heavy wind, the thick funnel clouds dipped around the city. the next morning, a friday. it was all over. friends checked on friends. but no one could reach diane. the freaked out one. diane holik work from home, for ibm. that morning, so unlike her. she missed the conference call. >> hi diane, it is to:00. i am just checking to make sure you are safe. >> all day, phone calls from ibm and friends went to voicemail. >> diane, hey, this is sharon, i was going to see if you are going to show up tonight or not. >> she didn't. >> i got to the club and i was waiting, and she didn't come, she didn't come, and i spent all of my time wondering when she was going to show up. >> had she been caught in the storm? had her house been hit? a coworker called the police. they cruised over to diane's neighborhood and found her big house unscathed. they. through windows, the security key. they went upstairs. there, all but hidden behind a guest room bed, they found diane. >> someone had killed her. i actually had a scream of some sort, just like, you can't-- it is not true. that is not what happened, that is not diane. >> but of course it was. diane holik, 43 years old, suddenly the unlikely center of a strange and disturbing mystery, and a most unlikely victim, murdered. >> absolutely lived life with gusto. she was a vivacious, beautiful woman. >> reporter: lynn had a known diane since the 90s when they started working together at ibm. >> she let her friends, she let her family. we would vacation together. we would have so much fun and just laugh and laugh and laugh. well, a lot of things we like to do altogether was we hit the clubs a lot. >> lots of dancing. >> lots of dancing. >> diane met anita and cheyenne cooper at the ladies room of an austin bar. >> she was in there, she said oh, you have cowboy boots, you must know where country barn is. we said yeah, i do. our best friend is coming and we are going to go when she gets here. and she said cool, i'm going to go with y'all. first time i had ever met her, never seen her before. >> she was in town for 3 weeks. >> diane said well, not just for the club, so she gets into the truck where her clothes are and starts pulling at something western and starts putting it on right there in the parking lot. she was crazy. she was throwing things on that she was-- >> stripped right there in the parking lot. >> right there in the parking lot. we danced all night long, she was having a blast, so happy that she had met the two of us, because she said, now i have me some dancing buddies. >> so magnetic. which, said her colleague, helped make her a fine recruiter for ibm. >> i would center off to colleges, and these kids, they would just gravitate to her. she had a personality that just stood out. >> and her attitude? endlessly adventurous. >> one time i remember sending her off to do a recruiting trip, and she got out there and they were doing a balloon fest, and she called me up and said, i need half a day off. and i said why? she said, i'm jumping in a balloon and going. >> she would always test the edges with you? >> always, yes. >> she would throw all kinds of parties at her house and invite everyone she knows. >> so, they may not know each other, but everybody knew her? >> yes. yes. and she was great, she just loved having all of these wonderful people around her. >> in any room, any crowd, diane was the lure, especially to men. >> it was never a problem going out with her, because she was like a magnet for all of us. >> yeah. there was always been around when diane was there. always. >> so there were. now she was dead. and the one thing that seemed obvious, there is that second floor bedroom, what happened to diane for the mark of a man. coming up, a killer is calm and cool as he is coldhearted. >> you commit the act of murder, and then you leave, you don't want to get caught, the that person didn't do it. that, in itself was odd. >> someone close to diane? 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(energizing music) i got a page from the supervisor in homicide saying that a woman had been found deceased in her home in northwest austin. narrator: detectives tracey gerrish and eric de los santos i got a page from the supervisor and homicide, saying that the woman had been deceased in her home in northwest boston. >> detectives tracy garrett i long since learned that if didn't tell them much. but when diane was murdered? >> we had the body, and that was all in the beginning. >> they looked for evidence of forced entry, there was none. >> the doors were locked and windows were attacked. >> either the killer knew her, or she let the person in. in any event it certainly didn't look like a robbery turned deadly. >> she still had her watch on, she still had a tennis bracelet on, and she had a charm that was in her hair that had obviously been on that was not around her neck. she also had some money that was sticking out of her pocket. >> so, maybe diane's body would tell them the story. the killer had hidden her under a bedspread. >> it appeared that she had been strangled, a ligature mark around her neck. >> it could have been a rope, it could have been one of those flecks fans that you used to exercise. >> clearly not somebody's had? >> clearly. what about her eyes and her face? was there any sign there? >> she definitely had in the eyes sign strangulation. she appeared to have a bruise on her cheek. it was like a rubbing type of a bruise on her cheek and she had four of them on her stomach. >> rubbing type of ruse? >> as if you are being dragged across the carpet and it was a rug burn. >> they discovered sponges of lipstick and mascara on the carpet. >> we also found a spot of urine, where her body would have been, had she been strangled. so, we knew something that happened there at that particular spot. >> she must have been killed there. and behind the bed where they found her body, was there any indication that she had been sexually assaulted in any way? >> no. >> her clothes weren't messed up. there was nothing indicating that she had been fighting, she had no scratch marks on her neck. why didn't she try to defend herself? so, as we continue to look at the body we notice some red marks on her wrist. that was interesting, because you don't usually see that. there was no ties, there was no rope, there is no tape around her in the room. >> just red marks. >> just red marks. >> little red marks that look, somehow familiar. >> it looks like two parallel lines, and then perpendicular to those lines were little lines , probably a 16th of an inch apart. i've seen these marks before, sometimes on the flex ties that we use. >> ties. zip tied binder. >> but then he would have cut them off afterwards. >> he obviously cut them off afterwards, and we knew that immediately. >> detective santos's mind went to the darkest of places. diane must have been restrained with those zip ties, helpless, terrified as she watched her killer preparing the ligature and put it around her neck. >> what kind of horror did you go through? what was going through your head? >> after she was dead, the killer must have stayed for a while, carefully erasing any sign of his or her presence. >> so, that in and of itself was odd, that doesn't happen. you commit the act of murder and then you leave, you are scared, you want to get out of there, you don't want to get caught. this person that we didn't know, if they were male or female, didn't do that. >> with this person? so deliberate, so cold-blooded. this was no straightforward case, nothing simple about it. >> i probably didn't sleep for 72 hours. >> as they chased down their endless questions. >> so, what does that leave you with? was it a targeted killing? the one who is angry with her? >> those were all possibilities. most of the time you are going to be killed by someone you know. sometimes it is someone you know very well. and of course, we are all familiar with domestic violence, so, you know, we want to see who is in the immediate inner circle of her life? >> diane's friends, they learned, she had been married years before, but had spent most of her adult life as a single woman and happily so. until she changed her mind. >> she left her single life, and she loved her independence, but an interesting thing happened when she had 40. she decided, i need a partner, i need somebody like my friends have. i wanted marriage, i want the things they have. >> so, diane set out to find a mate. with the help of the dating service, it's just lunch. and pretty soon she met a divorced father of two, named dennis connolly. >> i think they truly, immediately had a chemistry. i think they were in love. he was a successful businessman, he was handsome, he took her everywhere, and that is what she was looking for. >> just two months later, dennis presented diane with the bubble of a lifetime, a $20,000 engagement ring. >> he loved her, he put her on a pedestal and treated her like a queen. >> she likes his daughter, she cared very much for his daughters. and that was a strong point. >> they make plans, as lovers do. dennis had moved from austin to houston. the idea was diane could sell her big house and move down there too. it was a downmarket then, but as diane told her friends, there was one potential buyer. now diane was dead. and there were all of those questions. not a robbery, and yet, as the detectives soon discovered, something was missing that $20,000 engagement ring nowhere to be found. so, police wondered, where was fiance, dennis, during the violent storm? and did he know something? coming up. the storm outside and in. >> they argued a lot. >> we had our ups and downs, no question. you know, it wasn't like -- >> physical? >> never. >> when dateline continues. lin it's okay to show off. with dupixent, show off your clearer skin and less itch. because you have plenty of reasons to show off your skin. with dupixent, the #1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists and allergists, you can stay ahead of your eczema. it helps block a key source of inflammation inside the body that can cause eczema to help heal your skin from within. many adults saw 90% clearer skin, some even achieved long-lasting clearer skin and fast itch relief after first dose. serious allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems such as eye pain or vision changes including blurred vision, joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don't change or stop asthma medicines without talking to your doctor. show off to the world. ask your eczema specialist about dupixent. ask your eczema specialist it was true, all her friends knew it, diane holik was in love with the man it was true. all of her friends knew it. diane holik was in love with the man she met , smitten like a teenage girl, but the road of love, as we all know isn't always smooth. they were engaged so quickly. too quickly? before long they encountered some serious issued set her friends, anita and jared. >> they argued a lot. >> about, one example? her dogs, were like children to diane. but she told her friends, dennis didn't want any dogs in their new house in houston. they fought, set her friends, about what he seems to want her to be. >> she was always talking about, hey, didn't want her to do this or didn't want her to do that and that will cause arguments. >> she would not go along with it? >> no. she was independent? what was he? >> controlling. >> oh. >> very controlling. >> that can be a difficult combination to >> so, it was confusing, she probably wore this spectacular ring, but the engagement was off and then, maybe on again. and yet, that very week, set her friends, diane told them she still didn't know what to do. >> so, she had gone back and forth and back and forth? >> emotionally she was a roller coaster, because she just couldn't see how it was going to work and none of us could see how it would work either. >> especially when she told sharon she had made a date with another man. >> we kept telling her, if you are still wanting to do these things, you are not ready for that. >> but she had her house for sale? >> yes, she was going to downsize. if she didn't get married, she was going to downsize anyway, because this house was just way too good. >> waffling under plans for dennis? a date with another man? she said she had seen dennis angry, so, after diane was murdered, she wondered-- >> maybe he had just lost control of his life and killed her. that was my first thought. >> detective gerst ash dennis to come to the station to speak without the aid of a lawyer. the detectives focused on the timeline. they believed diane had been killed that stormy thursday afternoon or evening. her body was discovered about 5:30 p.m., friday. >> we were definitely interested in where he had been for the last three days. he knew he was going to verify his alibi to us. >> at the station, dennis seemed upset, but composed. as he told investigators, he was in his office in houston the night of the big storm, but exchange online messages with diane, back in austin that afternoon. >> it was just, you know, like, hey, i'm working late, i'm getting ready to go home, and she just send me, you know, i love you. that was it. >> and you were at the office? okay. >> dennis said he got home from work late thursday evening and was back on friday. >> we looked at the conference, could he have driven down to austin for diane and theoretically driven back in time for work? and yes, he probably could have. >> they checked diane's answering machine and found messages from him, this one was left on friday, the day after the big storm. she was dead by then. >> hey, you, if i don't hear from you in about an hour, and calling the freaking police. and have to go by your house okay? >> another message, saturday morning. >> diane, what is going on? give me a call. you have me worried to death. by. >> which could have been some sort of cover-up, of course. dennis admitted, their relationship was iffy. >> we ran into rough spots. we were going to build a house in houston and i decided that, you know, given the fact that we weren't getting along to gather, very well-- i mean, there was no fight, we all fight, it's just -- everybody carries baggage of your relationships at this age, and -- and our baggage was clashing, and we were working on it, but we decided not to be engaged anymore. >> okay. >> and stop holding a house. >> but he said they were going to therapy, which was hoping. >> i mean, we were really, really making breakthroughs, you know? >> about diane's dogs, for example. >> she saw that i was accepting the fact that, you know, her dogs were going to be in the house. >> and not long before diane was killed-- >> i remember her saying you know, that she would-- she loved me and that she would jump at the chance to be in a relationship and marry me, and, you know, no matter how long it took. yeah. we had our ups and downs, no question, but it wasn't like -- >> no physical fights? >> no. never, never, never even angry or loud words. it was just -- it's stupid, you know? >> she thought i should be more of a-- like, handyman kind of guy, like her dad, right? and-- and i thought she should be more appreciative. >> what she faithful to you? >> i would-- i would be shocked if she wasn't. i would be stunned. >> everyone has his or her version of the truth, of course. dennis' story, not at all what diane's friends said they had been hearing from her. >> i wanted so many times to just say, dude, you are just so stupid, because she did want to marry you. >> detective geyer garrett took fingerprints, collected dennis's dna and check his alibi, and dennis? before he left, dennis brought up another name. >> has anybody gotten a hold of ray? >> no, we are trying to figure out who ray is. >> ray was a colleague of diane's at ibm. >> he seemed to worship the ground she walks on. he seems to be attracted to women that are not attracted to him. honestly, if i was-- if i was a woman, i would-- he would be giving me the creeps. >> and according to dennis, he and diane were not on good terms. >> now, they had a falling out about a month or so ago. don't know the exact nature of it. >> so, time for a talk with ray. coming up. a coworker, with a crush, but did he want something more? >> i was always very spoiled to her, and very affectionate to her. >> when dateline continues. i asked my doctor about treating my td, and learned about ingrezza. ♪ ingrezza ♪ ingrezza is clinically proven for reducing td. most people saw results in just two weeks. people taking ingrezza can stay on most mental health meds. only number-one prescribed ingrezza has simple dosing for td: always one pill, once daily. ingrezza can cause depression, suicidal thoughts, or actions in patients with huntington's disease. pay close attention to and call your doctor if you become depressed, have sudden changes in mood, behaviors, feelings, or have thoughts of suicide. don't take ingrezza if you're allergic to its ingredients. ingrezza may cause serious side effects, including angioedema, potential heart rhythm problems, and abnormal movements. report fevers, stiff muscles, or problems thinking as these may be life threatening. sleepiness is the most common side effect. take control by asking your doctor about ingrezza. ♪ ingrezza ♪ everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients. i'll be honest. by the end of the day, my floors...yeesh. but who has the time to clean? 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what about ray. >> there was a man that she worked with, by the name of rafael chauncey, and she had actually hired him at ibm, so she was kind of his boss. >> maybe more than his boss? here's what diane's friends told the police about ray. >> he was johnny on the spot every time she needed something. he always called ray and ray was there. honestly in my heart i believe that he truly loved her and would have varied her. >> if she would have him? >> yeah. if she would have him. >> it seemed off to dennis.'s relationship with diane he told the police, it was a little too cozy, obsessive maybe? >> he always felt like maybe ray kind of took a liking to her was very infatuated with her, and he would always offer to take care of her dogs when she was out of town. always wanted to be kind of close to her. so, he thought maybe that he had too much of an interest in diane. >> what's more, ray had his own personal key to diane the house and remember, there was no forced entry. the killer was either invited and or had a key. so, detective gerrish asked ray to come into the station and answer a few questions, except it was ray who seems to be full of questions. >> working on it. unfortunately i don't know anything about diane holick when until i went to her house last night. >> he seemed excited to share what he knew. >> how long have you known diane? >> two years. >> he was an odd character, eager to help us, almost too i eager, to the point where throw us off a little bit. >> my group, my payment to her was not to always take care of her dogs. in two years she didn't have a dog sitter, i even change my schedule so i could walk her dogs. he told you a lot didn't he? man, i can't believe it. i always had a crush on diane, since i was younger. >> to diane reciprocate your feelings? >> no. >> did that ever cause problems to you? >> no. in the beginning-- >> argument that stuff? >> no, in the beginning we have some -- i was always very spoil- ey to her, very affectionate, she didn't like it. >> they played good cup, that cop. another detective came in, frustrated. >> no sexual relationships? you want to? i always wanted to, but never did. know, it was a little bit more formal than that i guess. >> you never had a sexual relationship? >> no. never. so, your dna shouldn't be found on her? >> you are not giving it to us? >> if you wanted. >> ray agreed, he did have a key to her house, but he also had an alibi, he was at work the day diane was murdered. >> i had the badge. there's cameras all over the place too at work. you can ask for the records. >> that day, ray said he stayed late at work and then drove home through the terrible traffic created by the storm. and after that, stayed home. >> stayed home and didn't go anywhere. back to work this morning at 8:00, 8:00. >> of course they needed to verify all of that. but when they asked ray about dennis, the fiance? >> that is a loaded question. >> it is and. i mean, i want the truth. >> there were some problems or whatever? >> they were going to get married this november. >> clearly diane had complicated relationships with dennis and ray. so, just as they had done with dennis, police fingerprinted ray and took a dna swab and went on looking. sharon told the detectives done had a date with the man and they couldn't figure out who that man was, but they tracked down every man she had met from the dating service. >> i interviewed every single day she had through that service. >> too many options. police wondered, has diane been strangled by a man she had met through the dating service? or a man she knew well? even left? and yes, something seems to be missing, but what? this wasn't going to be easy. coming up, a funeral and a wedding, and what some say was a former fiance's extremely strange behavior. >> oh god, we did a morbid thing. i mean beyond belief. >> and finally a clue. >> was this one of his stakes? 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>> right. no idea who did it. >> exactly, and i had an idea that we would have the crime scene. >> that meant she had investigators went back to diane's house to take a look. >> and went over it with the alternate light source. we have to do it in the dark. we just take it and put it in carpeting or on any kind of fabric or anything. and certain things will fluoresce. >> for example, if there is blood. >> the alternate light search source we are looking for. >> it didn't look like diane had been sexually assaulted. but they had to know for sure. and when they tested? >> there were no indications that there was any semen anywhere. and that room are different parts of the house. >> nothing. no semen, no blood, no evidence of sexual assault. and apart from her missing engagement, nothing in diane's house seemed out of place. except, in the middle of the otherwise brisk living room. >> there, on the loveseat is this tower just thrown open. weird. >> it was definitely out of place. >> maybe it was left behind by the killer? was this one of the mistakes? >> there were hairs later on. >> her hairs? >> no. >> there were seven hairs on that terrible. >> they sent the hairs to the dna lab. her friends plan the excruciating details for diane's memorial service here in austin. >> sharon found the funeral home and the lady to do the makeup and everything. we went in with them and help them pick out a casket and all. >> and her dress for an open casket. >> i need to make sure that whatever we got looks right and covered the appropriate parts of her. seeing where the wounds were, seeing where the ligature marks were, probably just as difficult as the day i found out that she passed. >> dennis came to the service, as expected, but-- >> he tended to not speak with anybody, which i found somewhat strange for a man, who was so in love with diane. >> front and center? >> no, he did not sit front and center, which somewhat surprised me. >> watched through a haze of grief and suspicion. when diane's parents moved her body from austin to their home in new york for the funeral, diane's friends as was dennis. and as diane lee in her open casket something very strange happened. >> oh god. he did a morbid thing that just infuriated her parents. i mean, beyond belief. >> dennis had brought a minister with him to the funeral. >> to actually say the marriage vows to him, as she was laying in the coffin. and then took her hand and put that gold band on. i thought mom was going to come unglued. >> diane's parents removed the ring, said a friend. but, the diane's family was appalled and her friends were deeply suspicious, back in austin, investigators were looking at all kinds of possibilities. dennis, ray, and other men diane had left remained on the list of statements, their alibis checked and rechecked. and the first time love. but that murder prosecutors talked about, was that really what happened? was the killer some random predator? >> is not a great feeling to know that you are going to have to expand out into the possibilities that this was somebody who was a stranger to her. because that makes it so much harder. >> that second, more intense search of the crime scene detectives found the first time, including this killer, where the lover has been careful and clearly prepared for what he, or she was going to do. >> this person, who is trying to avoid being captured. >> yes, so he cut the zip tie off of her and took the zip tie with him. >> and thus removed the evidence, but there was this one other thing, just a passing comment. they heard it from anita, on the phone with diane. >> she said that she had somebody that had come by earlier and had looked at the house, was very impressed with it. i said that is good. she says, yeah. i might finally sell this thing. >> good that visitor be connected to diane's murder somehow? or that discarded what towel? with those seven tiny strands of hair. coming up, a stranger knocking on doors. what happened next. >> i felt i had dodged a bullet. >> he wanted to get me in there and i didn't budge. i stood there with all of the bells going off. >> when dateline continues. ne this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks and could make it hard to be there for your loved ones. shingles could also lead to serious complications that can last for years. if you're over 50, the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside you. and as you age, your risk of developing shingles increases. don't wait. ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles today. 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we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that's uncalled for. the detectives investigating the death of diane holik were all too aware that stranger killings are among the hardest to solve. at the point when you were driving around talking to people here, did you have any idea what you were looking for even? no, nothing. narrator: especially if that stranger is as careful as diane's killer appeared to have been. i mean, it was true whodunit. narrator: the medical examiner looked carefully for evidence of sexual assault, semen, the killer's saliva, dna under her fingernails, that sort of thing. and there was none, none at all. though, police 101, maybe one of the neighbors saw something or someone suspicious. and sure enough, not one, but several neighbors had seen a stranger, a potential homebuyer, who was a welcomed visitor, frankly, in the difficult housing market that year. they all agreed he was tall, had dark slicked back hair, and a big nose, and that he said he wanted to pay cash for a nice house. so was he the man who toured diane's house day of the storm? you always try to find the last person that saw-- sure. --the victim alive. and we thought, well, this man could be the last person to see her alive. narrator: who was this phantom homebuyer? interviewer: did anybody get a name? we did get one name, walter miller and a number. narrator: walter miller? of course, they looked up the walter miller's around austin and found two of them. neither one fit that description, though. and the phone number the man left-- course they looked up to walterg miller around austin and found two of them. neither one fit that description though. and the phone number the man left? >> it ended up being a fax machine. it ended up belonging to the wife of a guy, by the name of matthew supolsky. >> matthew supolsky. what with you? >> he had a background involving a drug addiction, the muscles, a restraining order against him. and we eventually tracked on matthew >> and they realized right away he could not be the killer. >> he was in a neck brace, he had been in a bad accident, he had paralysis on his arms, so we knew it couldn't be in. >> meeting, this visitor, whoever he was, left a fake name and a big phone number. who would do that? then they found another neighbor, who had talked to the guy, heard his story, got a good enough look at him to help with a composite sketch. >> and we aired it on the 10:00 news. >> boston police have asked for help in solving a murder. police questioned a man seen in the day before that murder. they described his wife between the ages of 35-45, he's about six feet tall and neatly dressed. >> and we were hoping to get tips. >> what you know? before long women started calling. tales about a man who wanted to buy a house. >> so, what were you hearing from people who may have had a visitor? was at the same story they were hearing? >> pretty much. yeah, they were getting the story about this guy that sold his ranch in south boston he and his wife are looking to do this quick in the physical description were all the same. >> some colors, like tammy, had curious details. >> he had on brand-new gene that were probably three sizes too long. >> it was the kind of strange thing you remember said agent, tammy. >> he had on a shirt, a striped shirt that had wrinkles in it. i mean, pulls. >> just came out of the box? >> he just bought clothes, i'm sure of it. he had suspenders on, which i'm sure nobody wears suspenders and it wasn't like his pants are falling off. >> but it is when she showed him into the house that her nerves went on alert. >> he said oh, after you, after you. it was a standoff at the bottom of the stairs, wouldn't go. >> my stomach is tight. >> tammy was where a. years earlier, she had been raped by a customer. >> i knew all my instincts, all that i have learned and been through were the reason i was nervous about him. >> he said his name was jim sage. he kept trying to get her into upstairs rooms. >> he wanted to get me in there, and i didn't budge, i stood there and all the bells were going off. >> the next day tammy called the police to report this jim sage. >> did he hurt you, did he threaten you? did he put his hands on you and i had to say no to all of that. he said i'm sorry, there's nothing we can do. >> but now, diane had been murdered, strangled, tammy remembered the man's odd suspenders use them on diane pop holick's neck. >> when did that hit you? >> after. after i found out she was strangled. >> the calls kept coming in. women, with stories of a strange man posing as a homebuyer, some truly hair- raising stories. like what happened to x real estate agent melanie blunt, six months before diane was murdered. a man had called about one of her houses. >> it was a vacant listing, and i asked him if he had been prequalified by a lender, and i am paying cash, and so i drove over to meet him at the house or go to the door to greet him. and immediately he was behind me. he would never walk in front of me. >> which made melody uncomfortable. especially because he only wanted to see vacant houses, and-- >> the whole time that i was showing him the home he was never looking at any room. he seems to be more interested in looking out windows than he did the actual room. >> she said something else seemed off about him. >> he has a ticket in his neck, constantly cracking, and popping his neck and breathing very heavy. >> melody wanted to leave, but then the man noticed the detached garage. >> he was adamant about getting in the garage. he said i really want to see inside the garage. he started that neck popping. >> her hand shook as she tried to work the key in the door. >> it didn't open. i just turned to him said i'm leaving, jumped in my car. locked the car and took off and i left him. >> she drove home, still shaken. >> i have never cried, nor prayed so hard in my whole life , because i felt i had dodged a bullet. >> melody called the police too. got the same message as tammy. >> they did not believe me. did he touch you? did he hurt you? no, he did not. >> when she saw the story about diane and the sketch? >> i looked at it, and immediately knew that it was the same man. >> well, the police and prosecutor investigating diane's murder were working every angle they could think of. >> we were just coming up zero. >> he knew what he or she was doing and very careful. >> that was the impression we were getting, and that is what was increasing our anxiety. >> so, they waited for dna results from those tiny hairs found on the towel in diane's living room. and they listened to the women who called to tell them about being frightened by a mysterious would be homebuyer. >> who was he? and then one more call and they knew this could be their breakthrough. >> she said that she had seen the news and she thinks that that man had come to her house and she possibly had a flyer that he had handled that he had left behind. we were really excited about that. >> which meant that, maybe there might be fingerprinted. >> did she say this thing? >> she did it by accident. >> she didn't just throw it away? >> no, she actually picked it up and put it in a sack. >> a story by this time sounded all too familiar. >> she was excited to sell her house. she was going to pay cash, wanted to bring his wife back to look at the house and he asked her if she could look around. so, she kind of followed him into one of the bedrooms and when he got to the closet he turned around on her and she said there was this awkward silence and he just stared at her, she just became so uncomfortable she thought something bad was going to happen. >> and just then, in a nearby room, the woman's baby cried. >> and it gave her the opportunity to break the encounter with him to grab the baby and he followed her into the room and was standing behind her, when she turned around with the baby in her arms and it must have spooked him. >> and he just left? leaving behind the flyer? >> leaving behind the flyer. >> so they picked up the real estate flyer and brought in a latent fingerprint those prints might just belong to their killer. remember, they found no prints in diane's house to compare them to. in fact, this was strange. even diane's (hard to find. as if the killer may have wipe them clean. >> it was really not even the fingerprints that you would think you would find in a house that was occupied. >> that is very rare. >> yes, it was very rare and scary. >> scary because they wouldn't know who he was. scary because if he was a stranger just looking for a convenience target he had probably seen the stories on tv with a composite sketch and knew they were looking for. so he could have changed his appearance or left the area, or even worse, my strike again somewhere else. but then? there was this one more phone call from a woman, who said she too had an experience with a male homebuyer and this call just might lead them to an actual person. coming up. >> she immediately got a creepy feeling from him. >> the brick detectives had been waiting for. >> she actually wrote down his license plate and called police. >> when dateline continues. co keith morrison (voiceover): the idea that the murder of diane holik had something to do with her attempt to sell her house the idea that me tthe murde diane holik had something to do with her attempt to sell her house was gaining some traction. even the friend who remained so suspicious of diane's fiance wondered about that. >> i had a fleeting moment that maybe it was somebody dealing with the realty and selling of the house because there were quite a few people that came in. i thought maybe a husband found her attractive, you know? made a move and she didn't go for it. >> calls were pouring in to the police station from women who all shared a similar story. they described a man who claimed to be in the market for a new home but seemed to be shopping for something more sinister? one woman provided police with the mystery man's fingerprint. detectives thought the crime scene had been wiped clean so there was no way to match it back. there was a new caller and she was about to give them more. >> and she basically had told us that months earlier that this man with the same story had come to her home but in a different neighborhood. >> but very affluent so it kind of matched. >> he was insistent about wanting to go in and see that house. and she immediately got a creepy feeling from him and told him no and her husband said well if he ever comes back you need to call the police or get his license plate because it really scared her. and about six months later he came back and was very insistent on going in to see her house and she told him no she was not going to allow him to come in. and so she called the police. >> nothing happened then. the reaction she got was like those other women. the police could hardly arrest some guy for just seeming creepy. but this woman did something different. she wrote down the name and phone number the man gave her but more important his license plate number. stuck it on her fridge. instinct? luck? maybe both. >> she didn't know if he would come back again. she thought it was concerning enough that she would just leave it on her refrigerator just in case and she gave us the original piece of paper she wrote his license plate down with. >> and. >> well we immediately ran his license plate and it was a minivan and it was registered to patrick russo and his wife janet russo. >> patrick russo. his last known address was in a rural area about a half hour outside austin. so they decided to pay a visit. it's a pretty drive to bastrop county. the live oaks, the cypress trees. at 4:00 a.m. the detectives weren't exactly taking in the view as they drove to russo's home. hoping this is a lead that could shed some light on the murder of diane holik. all they had were stories about a creepy guy looking at houses for sale. was patrick anthony russo that guy? maybe, maybe not. dawn was hours away when they knocked at his door. the man who woke up to answer it looked like the composite sketch. coming up. patrick russo seemed an unlikely killer. >> i've got my ged. i went to college. i studied for theology to become a minister. >> but an odd coincidence. he was in diane's area the day she was kills. >> you remember ever talking to her? 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>> my job is to make sure that the music for the praise team or any kind of music that's being done for church services is handled, whether i play it or have someone play it. >> and in his spare time? he fronted a christian rock band. >> what's the name of your band? >> it's broken silence. >> broken silence. that's a good name. >> again, said tony russo. he was more than willing to cooperate with the investigation. >> i will be happy to do of what you guys need. so i don't have any problem with it at all. >> so they asked him, where was he when diane was murdered. did he have an alibi? >> thursday? um, that was that big storm day, wasn't it? thursday, i spent some time at the church again. i went to go to knle here in austin. >> knle is a christian radio station. tony said they were helping him create a website for his christian rock band. >> okay. about what time was that? >> uh, i think it was about. let see, i talked to my wife. i was pulling into the parking lot so that would have been about 4:00, i believe. when no one came to the door i went ahead and left. >> so you made the trip up there for nothing basically? >> pretty much. >> then of course he got caught in that awful storm. >> i got lost for probably a good hour or so. i got on the phone with my wife. she stayed on the phone with me. it started getting later. that's when the heavy winds started coming and the tornadoes, i guess. >> so what time did you get home finally? >> um, my wife's better at the timing on this than i am. 5:30, i guess or 6:00? i'm not really sure exactly the time frame. >> thing was, diane's house where she was killed was not far from the radio station. >> you remember ever talking to her? no, sir. >> tony was adamant he'd never seen diane. >> you never talked to her? >> no. >> interesting. then detectives asked, had he been doing some house hunting? >> is there any reason why you'd be in a neighborhood looking for a house? >> no. >> none whatsoever? >> uh-huh. >> of course they knew a thing or two about that. so the detectives leaned on him a little. >> do you want me to tell you how serious this is? >> i would appreciate it. i feel like i'm getting pretty banged here and i don't even know what it's for. >> she's dead. i don't know if you noticed when you walked in here, this is the homicide unit. >> i've done a lot things wrong in my life. i'm telling you that as badly as i feel for this woman here, i'm sorry, but you guys are barking up the wrong tree. >> go ahead, he said. search my house. my car. he even offered to take a polygraph. >> i don't care how hard you dig, you're not going to find me committing any crime like that. any crime, period. >> tony's wife janet was very helpful too. and her story about that day was just about the same as his. >> yeah, i was telling him where the tornadoes were. he doesn't know his way around austin all that well. next thing he knew he'd circled back around going west because he was -- he said well there's candle again. >> candle is the nickname for knle the christian radio station. when the interviews ended tony asked to see janet. >> i promise you i never did anything to anybody. i promise. and all i think about is how this affects you and our church and everything we worked so hard for. >> i know. >> tony and janet russo had answered all their questions. had been cooperative. and tony even gave them a swab of his dna and his fingerprints. so the police thanked him and took them home. >> coming up. the interview part two. this one a little tougher. >> is there any reason why somebody might have seen your van over there? 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>> surely i don't have the only pewter ford minivan in this town. >> that has that license plate on it. >> that's true. that is true. >> by the time the detectives interviewed tony they'd checked for priors and guess what. that conviction the one he was on parole for was for kidnapping with a very particular twist. >> he had gone into an office where a woman was alone and tied her up with zip ties and choked her. did not kill her but choked her. >> disturbingly familiar given what happened to diane holik. back then a decade before diane's murder tony confessed to kidnapping and was sentenced to 20 years in prison. it was there he met and married janet and soon after was paroled after serving only one- third of his sentence. but the kidnapping charge wasn't all they found at tony's record. even earlier, years earlier, there it was her. >> it had actually been a quiet day. >> donna shank encountered tony when she was an apartment manager. all alone late one afternoon in her building rental office when a man walked in. >> he wanted to look at a two bedroom apartment for his self and his girlfriend, he says. >> donna showed him an available apartment. >> we're walking down the hallway. we get back to what would be the master bedroom so i open the closet door and went into the closet to turn the light on and in a split second he had me by the throat. >> she struck out at him. tried scratching and slapping him in an effort to get away. he took her down. >> before i knew it i was on the floor. i was on the floor face up and he was straddling me with both of his hands around my throat just squeezing. >> tight. >> very tight. i wasn't able to speak. i wasn't able to breathe. i was thrashing and. >> grabbing at him and things. >> bucking, you know, everything i could do. until he grabbed my hands and panned them i guess under his knees. i couldn't move my hands. it just, you know, dawned on me okay well this is it. >> is this absolute terror? >> it is absolute terror to where your life flashes before your eyes and. >> you think i'm going to die. >> and this is it. >> then she thought no, this would not be it and she thrashed about until she was able to free her hands. >> and i put my hands on his forearms trying to pull him away. i had sort of a high neck sweater on and he kept pulling my sweater down to look at my neck and his eyes are very different, very scary. it was completely different. it was like flipping a switch. it was a very scary crazed look. >> then donna in a panic said all she could think of saying. >> i've been gone too long, they know what apartment i'm in, they will come looking for me and he would say you're lying don't lie to me you better not be lying to me and would call me profanities and would strike me. >> he's still holding on to you, your throat. >> yes. >> but he seemed to realize yes, there was a possibility somebody would be coming to look for her and as quickly as he had become a monster. >> his expression changed again and his eyes went softer. then he completely took his hands off of me and just went like this and just covered his face and then sat back up and he said i can't believe i did this. are you okay? >> like he's a different person now. >> yes. to the point that he was apologizing profusely for doing it, asked me if i was hurt. asked me if i was okay. helped me up off of the the floor. helped me collect my necklace that was torn off and thrown about. >> he begged donna not to call the police, but she did. and he confessed. he was convicted of misdemeanor assault. and was put on probation. but as the years went by, he had attacked five other women in similar ways. including his kidnapping victim. now he's being questioned about a murder involving zip ties and choking and was denying he knew anything about it. saying the similarities with earlier incidents were merely coincidence. >> it's disgusting to sit here and listen to you talk about being such a devout christian and forgiveness and how much you've turned your life around when this one coincidence after another this whole thing goes back to similarities that i'm sure coincidental back in 1989, 1990, 91, 92. but you're this reborn christian? and you're going to sit here and lie about it? >> but the truth was at that point police could only prove patterns of behavior. patterns tony insisted he broke when he became a born-again christian. but really? so the detectives set up a little trap and asked him if his fingerprints could possibly be found on a real estate flier. >> have you ever handled aureoles flier for a house for sale in west austin. >> no. >> then your fingerprints shouldn't be on there. >> correct. >> but even as tony insisted otherwise they already had received the test results from the real estate flier saved by that woman. >> thank you lord tony russo's fingerprints were positively on that flier. >> what happens in the old gut when that? >> we knew it was him. we just weren't able to put him anywhere and now we had him. >> true, they had him recently in the home of a woman who'd been terrified by his behavior. but they didn't have him in diane holik's house. to get that evidence they needed time and they worried would he run? then the prosecutor had a canny idea. when tony russo said he didn't touch the real estate flier, that was a lie. and lying to the police was a parole violation. >> so the da's office came up with this charge that allowed us the time we needed to send off all the dna and physical evidence to see if it we could actually put him at her house. >> bring your right hand back. >> so into jail went tony russo. coming up. >> there were five guys standing like a theater setting. >> show time. with a script. as his victims come face to face with tony russo. >> repeat the following phrase. do you have any information about the floor plan of the house? >> do you have any information about the familiar plan of the house? >> i did not expect him to be right in front of me. so that was extremely frightening. >> when dateline continues. >> i'm out of breath, and often out of the picture. but this is my story. 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>> we had so many women that had let him into their homes in different neighborhoods all over austin, south austin, north austin, even real estate agents that he had called when he wanted to look at vacant houses. >> but could any of those women actually identify tony russo as their guy? >> we felt like we needed to do a live lineup because the phrasing and his ruse that he used was so specific and the women remembered his voice and they remembered his story. >> so they rounded up some austin police officers who looked like tony and put him and them in a lineup. and brought the women in. >> and there were five guys standing like on a theater setting. >> number one, take one step forward. >> couple of feet above me and we're down below. >> number two, repeat the following phrase. you have a beautiful house. >> you have a beautiful house. >> we had a script that each person had to step forward and exactly repeat what the detective was telling them to say. >> i'm going to pay cash for a house. >> i'm going to pay cash for a house. >> it was everything that was said to each one of these women when he went into their homes. >> i came to this house before, didn't i? >> i came to this house before, didn't i? >> repeat the following phrase. do you have any information about the floor plan of the house? >> do you have any information about the floor plan of the house? >> he was number one right in front of me. i did not expect him to be right in front of me. so that it was extremely frightening. >> i picked him out of a lineup immediately. i was feeling a lot of guilt. i don't know why. you just feel what could i have done? somebody's dead and this man was with me. >> how many of those witnesses picked out the right guy? >> i believe it was 15 women. >> out of the total of how many? >> i think it was 30. >> eyewitness testimony is notoriously not great and often doesn't carry much weight in a trial so you needed something more. >> yes. >> what they needed was something definitive to put tony russo in diane holik's house. they'd sent off dna samples from diane's finger where her ring had been yanked off and from that towel on her couch. finally the results. >> what did the dna tell you? >> the swab on her hand was a mixture that was consistent with a combination of diane holik and russo. >> was it enough to say for sure though because dna. >> no. no, no, no. we can't exclude him. it's consistent with him. but it's not the kind of dna that you can eliminate the rest of the world. >> right. just really increased suspicion is all. >> it was helpful. it was dez positive. we sent the hair off to a lab and they did a may toe conacre dry corral dna test. we could not exclude mr. russo. >> but you couldn't say for sure. >> no. >> so close. just not quite the absolute proof they'd been hoping for. but the dna did provide one very helpful service. police had confirmed the alibis of diane's fiance dennis and her ibm friend ray. these tests definitively eliminated them as suspects. >> but we could not eliminate mr. russo. >> finally six months after diane's death, tony russo was charged with murder. the risk? maybe. they'd only get one shot. and the evidence they were going to take to court did not absolutely link him to the murder of diane holik. then the trial was almost upon us. they found something. something almost beyond belief. >> in my wildest dreams i never imagined that a website like this could even exist. >> coming up. the dark side to the web. and tony russo. >> you certainly had your motive. >> yes, we did. >> when dateline continues. ths what hd to me. 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not so easy. >> it was the most complex murder case definitely the most complex murder case i've ever tried. >> that's because without hard evidence linking tony to the murder or even putting him in diane's house she'd have to assemble all the jagged puzzle pieces of coincidence into a coherent pattern. >> when you're getting ready for trial you put it together almost like a play. what are you going to tell them first so you script it out. >> there were the zip ties on his property that seemed to match marks on diane's wrists. his cell phone pinged near her house. the radio station alibi was a lie. the dna, though it wasn't absolutely definitive, could not eliminate him. and all those women that identify him as that creepy guy claiming he wanted to buy a house with cash. cash which he certainly did not have. but then. >> he really wasn't looking for houses he was looking for victims. >> like realtor melody blount who cried and prayed after her encounter she found it so terrifying to testify. but did. >> i did not expect for patrick anthony russo to be sitting across from me within 10 to 12 feet and having to testify with that man looking at me, it was petri fying. >> and most unsettling when she noticed something all too familiar. >> now i'm glaring at russo and what does he do? he starts that tick in his neck. starts that popping and i raised my hand up and i said there he goes. he's doing it right now. >> the state also called tony russo's victims from earlier years. including donna the young apartment manager he attacked in lake jackson, texas. >> this phone call just out of the blue after all of that time. >> she was not only surprised, she was angry. very angry. >> why did that have to a. why did someone have to be killed before this man was stopped? >> and the emotions of that whole ugly ordeal flooded right back. >> my heart started racing. it was just being terrified all over again. >> but some of the compelling evidence came courtesy of tony's first wife. as he'd been married once before. >> the first wife said he could not get aroused sexually unless he was choking her and that he choked her when they had sex. >> and the second wife? >> the second wife confirmed he also choked her while they had sex. >> i mean i will say that he does tend to put his hand on my neck. any time i feel like my airway's getting restricted, you know, and he's, he always lets go. >> so a strange and potentially dangerous fetish but was that all it was? isn't it possible though that he really didn't want to kill diane holik? >> that's just my belief that he did. that just choking and not killing it was no longer enough. it wasn't enough any more. >> and why was she so sure? because of what turned up during a forensic analysis of tony russo's computer. the i.t. people landed on it just as the trial was about to begin. disturbing is perhaps too bland a word to describe what was in there. >> he was a member of a website one that you had to pay money to see. it's described as tastefully erotic death scenes and mr. russo had chosen the subcategory of asphyxiation. >> omg. >> uh-huh. >> in my wildest dreams i never imagined a website like this could even exist or that anybody would want to look at it. >> you certainly had your motive. >> yes, we did. it's called sexual sadism. >> he felt a compulsion to go and choke people. >> yes. he was sexually aroused by women being choked. >> oh boy. that gets into pretty dark territory. >> yes. >> they nailed him big time. >> diane's friend anita was in the courtroom as the state rested and she waited to hear tony's defense. >> we were all thinking okay, well, here we go. we're really going to hear a whole bunch of stuff. the room was packed solid with people. so his attorney just stood up and said defense rests. there was like a huge gasp in the room and then totally silent. >> diane's friend lynn arrived just in time to hear the closing argument. >> he stood quiet for a minute and walked over to the jury and he looked them all in the face. he said i need you to understand what happened to her that night. he put his hands up in the air like this and he put his thumbs down and he shook his hands like this as do though he was choking someone. >> he said, imagine. it took her two and a half, maybe even three minutes for her to die. >> as he's holding on to her. >> yeah. stood there and he looked at his watch and just waited. and for at least two and a half minutes nothing moved in that courtroom. >> and it was silent and he held that position with shaking hands until enough time had passed that a person would have died from being choked. >> and all of a sudden slams his hand down on the table. i mean, that's how long it took for her to die. and the whole courtroom just, i mean we all broke down at that point. to think that's how long it took for her to die. how long she suffered. >> the defense, which did not call a single witness made the case in its closing argument for all the drama the state, they said, failed to prove, because it couldn't prove, that tony russo was ever in diane holik's home. couldn't prove he killed her. tony did not testify. but he did talk to us. coming up. the verdict. >> when the jury walked back in to the jury box i can't even look at them. >> when dateline continues. lin the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you're not at risk for shingles? 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his hair has gone silver now. he's in prison for life. and here one friday morning he brought his bible to the barrier that separates his world from ours. his holy staff of assurance that what he was about to tell us about his role in the murder of diane holik would be god's truth. >> that jury comes back and says guilty, what's that like? >> devastating. when you're innocent, it's devastating. >> innocent? yes. and so i hear from the warden that you got your bachelors in divinity. >> yes, sir. if i had to spend the rest of my life in here i want to use it for christ. >> throughout our talk he wore his christianity like a badge and like an accusation. >> i noticed that in the media they love to sensationalize any christians or people that claim to be christians that somehow they just they've got it, there's some hidden secrets in their life. >> but your victims were christians too. >> saying you're a christian and being a christian are two different things. >> in other words you have to be totally honest? >> i don't think you have to be totally honest but i think there's things in your life that you'll exhibit whether christ is in your life or not. >> the evidence against him? he had answers for everything. like why he lied to the police when he said he wasn't looking at houses when in fact he was. >> i did deny in the interview because i felt like i was going to incriminate myself in the original interrogation. i did, however, share with my attorneys what had been going on. >> which was, he said, perfectly innocent research. >> looking at the different designs and things. for a long time we had talked about building a house, one of my friends from church had lived in a mobile home while he built a house on the back of his property. >> so we wondered, why did he behave in a way that terrified all those women who testified in court against him? >> you got to admit that was a pretty creepy thing to do. >> i don't know how creepy it is to look at houses or designs of houses. >> to tell people a whole shaggy dog tale about why you're there, to follow them around the house, to make them nervous. >> i preferred not to follow anybody through a house. they're the ones that want to show you the house so they tend to lead you. >> the rental agent he attacked and half strangled back in 1989. >> what do you have to say to a woman like her? >> okay, i don't remember her at all. i don't. >> and yet he actually confessed to attacking that woman back in 1989. and what about the witness so frightened by his visit to her house that she and her husband saved his license plate number? they kept the license number. >> they kept about four license plate numbers of people that looked at their house or wanted to look at their house without a realtor. >> not true, said darla davis. his license number was the only one they saved. i also asked him about his decision to take the pinstriping off his van, just then. he said that wasn't because police were looking for it but because it had been vandalizes. >> i was going to redo the pinstriping since i had originally put it on there. >> the zip ties police found wrapped around fencing on his property? they belonged to a friend, he said. and the statement by his wife janet that he would sometimes choke her during sex. >> i mean i will say that he does tend to put his hand on my neck. >> i never choked anybody. >> you choked your wife. >> no, i did not. >> she said you did. >> no, she didn't. >> she said you choked her as part of a sex act. that's how you had sex. >> that's not true. that's a manipulation of what she said. i'm just telling you that's what she said. >> we reminded tony he'd been married twice and in marriage number one same issue. but your ex-wife says you choked her. >> okay. >> and that's how you got sexual arousal. the only way you'd get sexual arousal. >> i'm not going to go into detail to embarrass her so i'd rather not say anything about her. >> you know that's a tactic, don't you? i've seen this done a thousand times. >> you can call it a tactic. >> if you've got something to say about the woman, say it but don't do that where i'm not going to say a bad thing about her because it would be mean to her. that's bs and you know it. >> well, under the world standards yeah that would be bs. but as a christian it's not. >> we asked about that pornographic website reporting to show the killing of asphyxiation of women. the one he had to register and pay for before he could access it. >> i cannot help that porn sites pop up on a computer. >> they don't pop up unless you look at some porn site. so there's an explanation for everything. >> there's a truth to everything. >> oh, yes, tony russo had an answer for everything. >> i am absolutely innocent and it disgusts me that every time you try to say you're innocent everybody says isn't that what everybody says? >> have you confessed the ultimate sin to god? >> what's the ultimate sin you're talking about? >> murder. >> if i had murdered someone i definitely would have. >> be you you say with your hands on your bible. >> i will die claiming my innocence and people can believe it or not believe it. i absolutely am innocent and i don't care how guilty i look. >> he couldn't convince any courts of that though. all his appeals failed. here he will stay. outside this institution, several women still struggle with the anxieties and fears and prisons of their own created by him. >> come back any time i get a call from a man that wants to see a house who is single. every time. i could have been a victim. i was an intended victim. that's a hard thing to think about. >> and they told us, the trauma lives on. though. >> it's comforting to know he's in there. that he can't hurt anybody else. >> they are sorority sisters of a sort who unwilling to live their lives as silent victims came together to help get tony russo off the street for good. >> we did our job and we got him convicted. >> so they did. this sisterhood. for the sake of a woman whose fate might have been theirs. diane holik. whose friends came together to remember how they miss her. even after all these years. >> she was a constant friend. she was in my life every day and all of a sudden she was gone in an instant like blowing a candle out. >> you see the smile on all these photographs. was she always smiling? >> always. always. >> she had a magic smile. it was infectious. if she was smiling everybody else had to. we had to. i'm andrea canning, and this is "dateline." andrea canning: it was one of the most harrowing days in our history. i hear
>> trace: that's fantastic. >> it was amazing. >> trace: when you woke up in the ambulance, did you know where you were? did you know what happened ethan? >> yeah. >> trace: what were you thinking? did you see your mom? did you see people around you? >> yeah, i saw my mom in the ambulance and other people too. >> trace: yeah. how did you feel? >> nervous. >> trace: i can imagine you were nervous. how did mom feel during this time? were you watching the first time it didn't work, the second time? what were you thinking and feeling? it had to be tense. >> from the moment we were trying, and i heard one of the dads say he wasn't breathing i lost it. as soon as i noticed they were able to pull it out, the candy, i felt some type of relief. i was still worried, thinking if he was going to come back himself but he was okay after that. >> trace: first time it did not come out, officer, were you concerned? did you think listen, we have to
get this? >> absolutely but i have great partners there with me holding ethan down. mom was there. luckily with my partners and the training that we had, we were able to get it out. >> trace: will you eat these candies anymore, ethan? done with those candies. we won't say the brand or anything but done with those candies. would you recommend -- i mean this whole thing, is it one of those things where who called the police and how long did it take before you actually had your son in the ambulance? >> yes, i was talking with a standard by when we were at the hospital and mentioning that we had to get the name of the machine that they used. it was terrifying, seeing my own son unconscious. >> trace: it really is. officer, your last words on this? >> our police department supplied 200 of these to our patrol officers to city employees. this is a lifesaver. for 60, $70, this will save someone's life.
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