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There was money laundering, if there is pay to pay play, all of this stuff -- if the president is lying under oath, if it ever got to -- these are the kind of things that matter, that are important, that the american people need to learn about. so this attack on the investigation is not just a defend. its really kind of an attack on american political culture. and its kind of shocking to see how many conservatives have bought into night hugh, do you want to respond. >> the special counsel is not...