attempts to pressure him and he could be a key witness trump and his team could still appeal the ruling. but they have lost similar previous cases a date for pence s testimony is not settled, though it is likely to be later this month according to an adviser. now the ruling by judge james boseberg ordering pence to testify said that while pence was excused from providing details regarding hisrole as president of the senate on january 6, 2021, he s not excused from testifying about conversations related to alleged illegality on donald trump s part that means that special counsel jack smith could gain firsthand knowledge, a firsthand account of the one-on-one conversations that mike pence and donald trump had that day special counsel jack smith on the verge of access to a central witness in the insurrection is where we start today new york times reporter glenn flush is back with us and joining us msnbc legal analyst paul butler. he s a former federal prosecutor, now a law pro
about what his presence before the jury signals to them if that s a help or a hindrance to fox s overall case. we see in his deposition that murdoch is very testy. he gets very impatient and snappish that s not a good look before the jury these guys we have seen with trump over the years they are not used to being challenged they are not used to facing tough questions and grow impatient when confronted with them i think his potential testimony really could be one of the make or break moments in this trial katie, i will stay away from the engagement, the plane, the houses and the age i will say that what we know that has been revealed through the multiple filings is that rupert murdoch thought it was i want to quote him.
maples here? all kidding aside, it s a very important trial. it s her day in court. critically, two other victims of sexual assault and battery by donald trump, a federal judge is allowing them to testify at e. jean s trial what s left to be seen is what and how is donald trump going to respond to three different victims that he is going to have to defend against during this trial? jeremy, it goes without saying that fox s own complicated history around sexual assault issues inside fox news, it was a subject of some incredible reporting in the new york times, which was turned into a movie it was the subject of a scripted movie called bombshell that depicted some of the more prominent female anchors, how they cover these things is int interesting to me. i don t have any expectation that it will be forthright or honest
that s the path they choose. it sounds like they will testify. they absolutely will. i think inside fox it was always considered a bit of a legal long shot to keep them off the witness stand. delaware law compels corporate officers like the murdochs to testify in these trials. the judge himself at a hearing last week indicated he was losing patience with a lot of fox s arguments and objections at one point said, look, i have read news reports about rupert murdoch getting engaged and talking about how excited he was to be traveling around to his houses everywhere around the world. i think it s possible he can get on a plane and come down to wilmington, delaware, to testify for an afternoon in the end, that s what you heard from the judge today the murdochs will testify in the trial. we don t know exactly when that s really significant. the murdochs have a history of
be naive about the fact that this fox trial ultimately may have no impact on their bottom line or have no resonance with their viewers. i do know that donald trump running for president in 2024, he can turn on fox news in a dime as he has in the past what this lawsuit shows us is just how afraid fox is of that happening again. i think that has a possibility to be one of the most intriguing story lines of the next two years. the x factor that i don t think anybody really takes out and turns around is the people running against trump in a republican primary trump is in the gutter if ron desantis plans to meet him there and take him on and not go the way of the 14 republicans who trump ousted