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People would describe certainly as aggressive in that he was definitely elevated in his tone with her. >> predictably tough from him. and youll see it -- again, we always know that these moments are an opportunity for lawmakers to showcase some of their views and those clips end up on their own websites and all of that. so there is some theater as well as some real investigatory nature to this. >> kelly, thank you very much. well continue to follow the hearing and bring you any big developments ...