america is at a cross roads. we must define the nature and scope of this struggle or else it will define us. chris: president obama laying out the beginning of an exit strategy from the global war on terror this country has been fighting since 9/11. and we are back now with the panel. well, the president said that the scale of the threat we face now is more like what we saw you before 9/11 than what we saw in the years immediately thereafter. brit, is that sensible thinking or dangerous? well, it is interesting. what he say about it is that i hope this does not return us to the mindset toward terrorism that existed pre9/11 which was that it was a law enforcement matter principally and we he should pursue it in that way and not the treat it as a worldwide blend of military intelligence and in some cases police work. what i would what i think we have to say about the war on
quoted by the president, he basically said if you want to preserve freedom it is difficult to do if you have a continuous war. what the president is saying to us endless. chris: would you have said that during the cold war,er is? we had to o the ground stop and thing many times during the cold war can i go back to the mccarthy area and talk about the witch hunts. you have to emthat size basic values and liberties. that is what the president reminded us. i m not going to take lightly the terror threat against the united states. but if we constantly think of this in the context of war we stand a risk of doing things that combo mize our values and freedoms. senator graham, what is your biggest practical worry about the president saying we are in a new phase and in some sense laying out an exit strategy for the global war on terror? at a time we need resolve
the problem is particularly the ones that the president said are we don t have the information, we don t have the hard evidence to try them and we don t, on the other hand, think sheer safe enough to be released and those people need indefinite detention. those are the worst of the worst and you re right, if they said they were going into your neighborhood or mine, nobody would want them, even in a super max prison. so there s still going to be a fight in congress and my guess is the president what is an uphill fight to get guantanamo closed. as least for a small, select group of people. shepard: i mentioned the president s speech. a bigger picture on what we call the war on terror and he said at the time. this war has to end. the new york times and praised him. others, not so much. the best description of it i heard, shep, was someone said he was laying out an exit strategy
if you want to buy a house mortgage rates are ticking up again. the average rate for a 30-year fixed mortgage is now $3.51%. still historically low. the average rate for a 15-year, 2.69%. still low, but they have ticked up a little bit. it s the talk of the fed and whether there will be an exit strategy. would rates rise a little bit if that happened? that s reflected in the mortgage market. thank you. coming up, is the commute getting you down? how about taking a helicopter? might give you a lift, a short cut. vladimir putin is taking to the skies. we have a very, very special first pitch at last night s tampa bay rays game. how a surprise catcher threw this little girl a big beautiful curve. wait until you find out who that man is. welwhere new york state is. investing one billion
sophisticated at making these bombs. that s why there s still speculation about how they learned to make the bombs and so quickly. the tactic and strategy of putting them wherever was most convenient is completely inconsistent with most terrorist planning. it is inconsistent with how international terrorist groups think about attacks in america. and so that s it just reflects as we ve been saying the last couple of weeks the sort of i don t know. just sort of carelessness of how they did this and they had no exit strategy and they seemed to just show up at the marathon. this seems consistent with the story line of these guys with their friends planning something so violent. and the other part of this, there are reports these guys