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Do you think that will actually sway some republicans in the senate to vote to remove? conversely, if he says, no, he never gave me those directions, there were all these little winks and nods but he really didnt do it, do you think theres the possibility democrats might give up impeachment? >> its possible that one or two senators could be moved in the long run if that fact pattern were established. i do not think that the democrats are going to give up on impeachment. chris: and you dont think...

Sway some republicans in the senate to vote to remove? conversely, if he says, no, he never gave me those directions, there were all these little winks and nods but he really didnt do it, do you think theres the possibility democrats might give up impeachment? >> its possible that one or two senators could be moved in the long run if that fact pattern were established. i do not think that the democrats are going to give up on impeachment. chris: and you dont think the senate, 20 republicans woul...

Better off if we would have taken care of this behind the scenes. >> behind the scenes. lets go through a time line, two days later the aid was released. with that fact pattern, do you buy that? >> the aide was held up for nearly two months during which a lot of people died on the battlefield in ukraine, and for the republicans to say well it was give n and there was no qui pro quo is nonsense. i think what will be interesting is hail reporting back about why he could not get a statement of

>> its unclear. democrats made some headway in terms of changing the numbers in the lead-up to this as they were doing closed door depositions and the transcripts leaking. so they got it to 50/50, a little under water in some of the swing states. but its a process. bill taylor started off and a lot of people maybe thought that wasnt compelling tv, yovanovitch much better. and then i think theks week youre going to have folks who talk to the president who were leery of giulianis role in this. i t...

Sway some republicans in the senate to vote to remove? conversely, if he says, no, he never gave me those directions, there were all these little winks and nods but he really didnt do it, do you think theres the possibility democrats might give up impeachment? >> its possible that one or two senators could be moved in the long run if that fact pattern were established. i do not think that the democrats are going to give up on impeachment. chris: and you dont think the senate, 20 republicans woul...

Happen? particularly when you have all of the republicans saying she seems like a wonderful, wonderful servant, somebody who you want in that position. so that i think is going to be very, very difficult for the republicans to answer to give a cogent argument that is different than the republicans -- im sorry, the democrats answer to that, which is you didnt want her there because she was going to prevent what it is that giuliani and lev and igor were doing at the behest of the president which w...

Doing their business. >> this might actually start on time. >> mike pompeo doesnt get enough attention. there is two scenarios, he was helping to orchestrate the off book political campaign run by donald trump and rudy giuliani, or he was oblivious to what was being done to all of his employees. he was asked repeatedly to defend her, and we have on the record in testimony a call from the state department to yovanovitch at 1:00 in the morning where they say we need to get you out on the next plan...

And i dont see anything that would make this a high crime or misdemeanor consistent with the constitution. if the democrats want to impeach the president for anything, just a fact pattern that they are finding here, they certainly politically can do that. >> neil: egregious behavior, is not necessarily a high crime or misdemeanor in your eyes? >> i dont think so. egregious behavior bu of abuse f power are baskets that can be placed in the eyes of the beholder. >> neil: we will watch very closely...

Building. but go ahead. >> the fact pattern that hes going to be describing and that george kent are going to be describing is not actually that complicated of a fact pattern. its whether or not a white house meeting and defense assistance were held out in exchange for the ukrainians conducting investigations into a conspiracy theory regarding the 2016 election and the bidens. thats it. its not actually an overly complicated fact pattern, and bill taylor really was witness to all of the behind t...

Controversial here. its just not impeachable. it will be interesting to watch their strategy. >> ambassador mcfahl, the other witness today is george kent. he has notably brought to light in his deposition the role that he believes vladimir putin played in poisoning donald trumps mind toward ukraine. since thats your area of expertise, what do you think george kent adds to todays fact pattern, todays story? >> well, his testimony was very compelling to me. it suggests that president trump doesnt...