We know theyre still in there. Its after 5 00 right now. Paula, walk us through what happens if the grand jury decides to indict donald trump and or any of his allies. Reporter we expect the indictment also be for over a dozen people. The former president s lawyers say they do expect he will be among those indicted. We would expect the District Attorney would seek an indictment from the grand jury and it would go to the Clerks Office where we will most likely get our copy. Then it will be made public and well be able to read about the charges. One of the things thats unclear, jake, is when the former president would appear for his initial appearance and a potential arraignment. In the federal cases that happened quickly. Down in georgia, sources telling cnn that the former president s team expects it may take a little longer to have his first appearance down in georgia if hes indicted. Paula reid, thanks so much. As those witnesses continue to testify before the grand jury in atlanta,
the best. reporter: he later apologized saying he didn t initially fully understand the gravity of the crimes. today he issued a statement saying in part, we hope today s guilty pleas bring some sense of justice to the two victims in this case. jake, when you think about the pain this family had to go through, mary jenkins said she didn t think her son was going to survive this. now the big question moving forward, how many other victims have been involved with this goon squad? it s a question we ll continue to ask as well. once again, it s important to note that these men also pled guilty to those federal charges. jake. ryan young, thank you for that important report. children as young as 5 years old taking on the state of m montana in court and winning. what will this ruling actually mean when it comes to protecting the climate? ould trust. that s service the way we want it.
tomorrow have been called in early because things are moving so quickly. we know former republican lieutenant governor geoff duncan is inside the courthouse. another witness, george chidi, an independent journalist also scheduled to come tomorrow was also called in this afternoon. earlier today the grand jury heard from two former georgia lawmakers, both of these women state senators, both democrats. they both went in, expected to testify about a presentation that they received from former trump lawyer rudy giuliani that was ladened with conspiracy theories. these are all the witnesses that district attorney fani willis was expected to call, presenting her case laying out this conspiracy theory to overturn the election in georgia. we anticipated this would take two days. at this point it s unclear if they ll be able to move forward with possible indictments today or continue tomorrow. like you said, the courthouse closes at 5:00.
i don t see how you actually make a viable case in the democratic primary, one where you can potentially win which i don t think he can at all, and that s safe to say, and say that you support a national ban on abortion at 12 weeks, at three months. this is such a salient issue for democratic voters, and even independent voters. the voters that republicans or an independent candidate is going to try to have to win over if they want to make a viable case. all the voters that i ve checked in with in these swing states that are maybe on the fence, they say that abortion is one of their biggest issues. especially since roe v. wade was overturned, which is one of the reasons it was so staggering that he didn t seem to have a position articulated at the time. this is kind of important to democratic voters. i kind of welcomed it. it s been much commented upon on my side of the aisle about how republicans don t have the vocabulary to talk about abortion because they can hide
handpicked attorney general fire the special counsel. he also has his pardon power, likely for himself and certainly for others. but the state of georgia, that is beyond the reach of even the president of the united states. there s no mechanism for him to make this case go away even if he is re-elected. so what happens, tom? what happens if donald trump let s presume the verdict doesn t come in until after november 2024, and let s presume for the sake of this exercise that he wins which could happen, both the nomination and the presidency. what happens if a georgia jury says he s guilty of xyz, rico has a five-year minimum sentence. the president of the united states goes to prison? i think there are a few hurdles they d have to get through to make that happen. in that scenario, president trump would say you need to exercise discretion and not sentence him to jail time. in other words, he s the duly