first major accomplishment on the supreme court, very early on in his supreme court tenure, ruled against the president on an immigration issue. you often see this, where these judges rule against them. the president seemed to take it too personally. mike: your thoughts? i think this president has upset so many norms and expectations that we had for the presidency before he took office, and one of those is in challenging institutions that his predecessors but never have so publicly challenged. the courts are one of them. the federal reserve is another example. he is repeatedly criticized the federal reserve and the chairman of the pad personally for raising interest rates. you do not hear that from previous presidents. i think there are consequences to it. i think he risks shaking constant dull my confidence in those institutions by criticizing men. mike: tom, your thoughts? analytically, you look at the traditional role of the judiciary in terms of the constitutional finding s