but including in georgia. and at the federal level. so it would be kind of astounding to all of a sudden a half century later decide they re unconstitutional because they re inconvenience. hmm. yeah. all fair points. greg, on the ground there i will say that it was certainly sun usual to have this many grand jurors speaking out. and this filing, again, to the points i think all three of you have referred to, maybe for other public reasons, raises this point. in truth, if you want to get into it, and we ve got time, let s get into it, there are more permissive rules on what grand jurors can say in this jurisdiction than in other parts of the country. if you go to school it s called federalism. rules my differ depending on where you are. so those are the rules. having said that, in fairness to mr. trump and the lawyers that he s are making this point, it certainly created some spectacle if not more to see all this stuff and all these folks speaking out even before this case was resol
that role, in the movies sometimes they call it a fixer and to be clear fixer doesn t automatically mean you re a criminal but it means you might do more than file motions. so with that in mind let me read from this. we have some of the reporting from back in 2019. costello said he was speaking with trump s lawyer giuliani at the time, reassured cohen in an april 2018 email, cohen could, quote, sleep well tonight as i said, fixer talk. he has friends in high places. emails from 2018 and other documents don t mention a pardon although that would be seem to be an implication when dealing with the fed, no pardon could help donald trump from a future white house with this probe and goes on to say cohen provided the emails to corroborate his claim that a pardon was dangled before he decided to kwoop rate with federal prosecutors. if mr. costello has information factual or helpful to donald trump, by all means it should be a part of the process. that s only fair, on the other
that s what he says. then you have his lawyers down in georgia attacking a case where, and this is important, he hasn t been charged at all. so that itself is a little unusual. they filed a motion attacking the atlanta d.a. s basically probe and report up to this point. so that s the first official filing in a way by trump s team in the probe. we ve heard from his lawyers. we know they re out there. but this is drawing questions about why they re doing it right now. the new filing is donald trump basically trying to have his lawyers move in that probe. for what exact reasons only they know. but their argument is that this whole thing has been unfair. they take about 50 pages, plus 400 pages of other exhibits and evidence, to argue that the special grand jury is basically tainted and unconstitutional, and they say that thus the d.a. should be disqualified from any further investigation or prosecution in this matter. they say the d.a. has been political. one section pulls, for example,
if you re being honest, the process is skewed in the proceeding in favor of the prosecution because defense doesn t get up there and is not cross-examining witnesses but to asha s point, you know, the corroboration that s objective, that s not michael cohen or kellyanne conway or others that appeared but the documents and the theory is the falsification of record, the payments to reimburse michael cohen was booked as legal fees but there were no legal services provided. that s black and white. there s no retainer agreement. if you look at the actual physical documents and this goes to susanne s point as well there will be a paper trail that can implicate people along the way including donald trump. costello is not so much the defense for trump but pore to go after michael cohen and it s that relationship between costello and michael that s important. michael says there was zero attorney/client relationship. he was never being represented but in 2019 he waived
to know. got it. much less melania trump. got it. thank you. just to be clear, did he ever specifically tell you that donald trump does not know about this? yes. absolutely. he said that. he said that? that s what he said at the time. is it true? i don t know. [ inaudible question ]. but i had to force that into an answer. they were getting upset because they asked me a limited question based on one of these six e-mails and i would volunteer information i thought the grand jury needed to hear. are you being asked to come back? i don t think so. i think this is it. we were there from maybe 2:15 to what, about 4:50? yeah. thank you. i have a statement here which i ll hand out to whoever wants it. thank you. okay? we ve been listening to a man who says he was advising michael cohen but now can speak freely because he says michael cohen waived any attorney-client privilege. that man is bob costello. we re going to break down what