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And they know that both men deny all of the very serious charges. they know this could run on for a long time. i just wonder whether you accept the words of william gumede, the chairman of a big ngo in your country, democracy works, who says that this has become a battle for the soul of the anc, particularly the fate of zuma. do you, as a senior member of your party, agree with that? ive known william gumede for a long time. he has been saying that for the past 20 years, its not a new expression...

The african national congress will stay together. over the years, the african national congress has faced many difficulties, from 1955, �*59, 1969 and so on. im a member of the national executive committee of the anc, and im quite convinced that the majority of members of the national executive committee will keep the party together, and those who want to disobey the decisions of the national executive committee will find themselves out of the door by their own volition and by their own deeds....

South africa is a law—governed society, and anybody whos accused of any wrongdoing must appear before the court, whether hes the minister of finance or hes the president of the republic, it doesnt matter, or whether youre a retired military general or whatever the case might be. if you are accused and the prosecutorial authorities, have a case against you, you must go to court and answer, irrespective of who you are. so on a personal basis, you know him very well. how disappointed are you with...

—— is priority will be working day today. now on bbc news, hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk, im stephen sackur. these are tough times in south africa. officially, covid has taken more than 55,000 lives. researchers reckon the real figure is much higher. and right now there are fears of a third wave of infection. but many minds in the ruling party are consumed not by this national health and economic crisis, but by anc infighting and mudslinging over corruption and accountability. my guest is fi...

No, no, let me finish. and therefore, the skill set required for this structurally changed economy is what we need to work on so that it will feed into the pipeline the skills which are now required in light manufacturing and also in the tertiary sector of the economy. right. but youve had years of low growth. youve had years of stagnation, infrastructure problems, and in recent times, recession. claude baissac who runs the eunomix consultancy group in johannesburg. he says barring a meaningful ...

I think you need to ask that question from the deputy secretary general of the anc and not from the minister of finance. and let me ask you this. how real is the possibility of what, in essence, would be a civil war inside your party? you refer to the now suspended secretary general of the anc, ace magashule, who faces his own very serious corruption charges. he said last week when the trial of zuma was adjourned, he said, "zuma must be supported at all times. "as anc leaders, thats how we were ...

Vaccines to other countries "was a miscalculation, one that has set us back months "in our vaccine roll—out." do you regret it now? i think you need to have a conversation with the minister of health. lets talk, then, the economic costs of covid—19. the unemployment rate in your country is shockingly high, particularly for young people. i think its, if you include those who have given up looking for work, the unemployment rate is well over a0%. now, what are you actually offering the hardest...

To other african countries. what do you mean, it didnt work, minister? what do you mean — it didnt work? because a certain variant had developed in south africa and the astrazeneca from the serum institute could not work. and then we had to rely on thej&j and also the pfizer doses, and you know, the problems with thej&j. i cant talk about that because ill get into legal problems. but now weve got the pfizer doses in south africa, and its the pfizer one, for example, that im going to be jabbed ...

Days but the end of the week is looking drier and warmer. hello, this is bbc news, with geeta guru—murthy. the headlines — eu leaders are considering sanctions against belarus, after a ryanair flight was forced to divert to minsk — so authorities there could arrest an opposition activist who was on board the flight. and the former president of formula one — max mosley — has died — aged 81. the bbc board has announced a review of its editorial and whistle—blowing policies, following...

But for most of us, it is looking this weekend drier and warmer.