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Quarantine. we then got completely derailed because on the morning of the 12th, suddenly the national security people came in and said trump wants us to join a bombing campaign in the middle east tonight and we need to start having meetings about that through the day with cobra as well. everything to do with cobra as well. everything to do with cobra that day on covid was completely disrupted because you had these two parallel sets of meetings, these two parallel sets of meetings, the national s...

Putting it politely. everybody in april came to me, including the csa and cmo and said you cannot trust pag with what needs to be built. so the new... it was part of the whitehall rejigging of the system. we need to integrate all of this data. we had at this point i was getting the analytical built up and they were looking at all the different things across the world so there were things like sewage data. they had these different kinds of staff coming in. we need to have an entity to look at all...

27th, i think, tested positive, that friday, the 27th, ithink, in tested positive, that friday, the 27th, i think, in that meeting, we were told at the cabinet table by officials that the department of health had been turning down... we are going to say goodbye note to viewers on bbc world. when i was having ppe meetings around the cabinet table i was told, this is not going to arrive for months. why not? because it takes that long for it to arrive by ship. why are you shipping it? we ship it be...

Blocks in the procurement system and not being able to do things like sign fast contracts with testing companies to get testing, stuff like that and ppe. so i would say, january, february, march, my concerns and most of the concerns in number ten were capability and speed and buying what we need and getting ppe to the front line and things like that. later on, there were concerns, yes. because various stories started to come out into the media about what was happening and we suddenly started rea...

Did. what i did was i sent, as i said before, i heart a person to run data for number ten. did said before, i heart a person to run data for number ten.— said before, i heart a person to run data for number ten. did you choose not to no data for number ten. did you choose not to go or — data for number ten. did you choose not to go or where _ data for number ten. did you choose not to go or where you _ data for number ten. did you choose not to go or where you stopped - data for number ten. ...

Bunch of people coming back in the legal system sing, first of all, eu data lot and gdp are means all of the stuff is illegal. medium term. secondly, a whole bunch of things around human rights and right to privacy. we have got to build this testing, build this data. we have to think about all these complexities about the legal side. back at the end of february, i had got the cabinet office to call the ico and basically put out a notice thatjust said, if you are working on covid, assume what you...

Incredibly challenging march weekend to get sage to model test and trace and get it set up? i to get sage to model test and trace and get it set up?— and get it set up? i blame myself for many. — and get it set up? i blame myself for many. many _ and get it set up? i blame myself for many, many things _ and get it set up? i blame myself for many, many things in - and get it set up? i blame myself for many, many things in this - and get it set up? i blame myself. for many, many things in this...

People understand how to make decisions? there are not, how do we get people with brilliant operational capability into key jobs. the incentives are constantly pushing people away from rational behaviour and building whats needed at scale, quickly. thats what i meant by destructive incentives. you sa oure meant by destructive incentives. you say youre not _ meant by destructive incentives. gm. say youre not smart enough to keep pace with discussions at sage and all the rest, but you do have an a...

We didnt agree. my final question, sorry for the time _ we didnt agree. my final question, sorry for the time taken. _ we didnt agree. my final question, sorry for the time taken. for- sorry for the time taken. for lessons _ sorry for the time taken. for lessons learned, moving forward, it sounds _ lessons learned, moving forward, it sounds like — lessons learned, moving forward, it sounds like you were perceived to be the chief _ sounds like you were perceived to be the chief adviser, whateve...

Attending the sage meetings. fin- contextual questions. obviously you are the chief advisor to the prime minister. did you have to book meetings with him or did you pop in and out of his office? then, i would p0p and out of his office? then, i would pop in and out of his office. you sat outside the door? is that right? not literally, but yes. did sat outside the door? is that right? not literally, but yes.— not literally, but yes. did you write notes _ not literally, but yes. did you write no...