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Adviser to the trump campaign. steven moore this morning above the fold you say they have to have a fikt victory here. the administration has to have a victory on tax reform. it hasnt happened in three decades for a reason. can they do the broad, big, huge tax reform they wanted now that they have this failure on healthcare? >> well, look, trump does need a victory. theres no question about it. this defeat that happened this week is week, as a conservative it stings. we need to reform our health...

Voters. >> exactly. it wasnt his base. >> not the white working class voters in washington, michigan, ohio or pennsylvania. >> it wasnt the voters who he pledged that he wasnt just going to destroy their health care and take away and he was not going to leave you on the streets dying. i dont disagree with what walter said. i think its an incredible stretch to imagine that democrats would come into the fold like that. but at the end of the day, donald trump is an ideology-free president. he is a ...

Part of it. >> thats his introduction to lets talk again. i think he has to keep them in the fold in the long run and think youll see behind the scenes efforts to do that. this white house learned a lot through the process and i think its important for them to implement what they learned. >> shannon: ohio governor kasich said he think its pathetic the two parties are not sitting down like adults and work together and theres things they talked about, infrastructure, lowering plan price. do you th...

That may or may not happen looking across the aisle. >> you were prepared to vote no in that, correct? >> i was. i advanced this bill out of committee because i felt the framework is appropriate. when you look at it, clearly we had to make a measurable impact in terms of bringing down cost of premiums and making sure that more had access to affordable insurance. >> so who is easier to work, with im sorry to interrupt you. is it the freedom caucus, very conservative freedom caucus or is it better...

And his family. that is not an ivanka trump problem per se. but it is a trump problem. joining us now, brookings institution susan hennessey and nyu law professor burt newborn and perry bacon, who recently profiled the members of what he calls the friends and family circle in an article for 538. you wrote a piece for the washington post about why this is a national security problem. what was your concern? >> nepotism and national security is really two fold. one is we want people who are advisin...

Test and do you think hell have a different strategy moving forward and if so, what would that be? >> i dont think theres any doubt that hes wisier through this process. it was a failure of strategy and tactics. al clear now that perhaps the tax bill should have been first. now were going to take all these battle scars into the tax bill which is not helpful. it still happened but not helpful. the strategy of never bringing the freedom caucus into the fold at the beginning, only bringing them in ...

Because they had less at risk? >> i think they had less at risk. they had always said he wanted a full repeal from the beginning. i think they were always going to be the more difficult to negotiate with. so when the problem is when you bluff, like this, when you deliver this ultimatum, if someone calls your bluff, they generally end up having the power. i think this is going to create a problem for the administration going forward and trying to negotiate tax reform. because the freedom caucus h...

That will bring the prices down and will increase and improve the quality. president trump has offered no such bill. this is not that. it knocks 20 million people off health insurance. it increases cost very substantially. puts an age tax on individuals between the age of 50 and 64 which will increase their premiums three or four fold. so this is a bill which ought to fail. then frankly what we ought to do, we ought to sit down at the table together and say how do we make the affordable care act...

Been done before him, before itt was ever rolled out. he was put in the untenablee position in my opinion. with that said, we always get the tax increase, we never get the spending cuts. we always get the amnesty, we never get the wall built. i think theres always a trust issue but i trust the president. thats my experience with him >> i trust the president too, i> just worry about this process being phased in over three different phases. i think the american people have been burnt by leaders es...

That credit but that should have been done before him, before it was ever rolled out. he was put in the untenable position in my opinion. with that said, we always get the tax increase, we never get the spending cuts. we always get the amnesty, we never get the wall built. i think theres always a trust issue but i trust the president. thats my experience with him for it >> i trust the president too, i just worry about this process being phased in over three different phases. i think the american...