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And i dont think thats going to change. that does put trump in a real hole. i do think its going to close, but not enough. >> real quick point on that, chris, interesting the next time im on, show that same map with only white voters. even givens trumps collapse in parts of this country, hes still probably going to win the vast majority of white voters even with that womans number, the gender gap has been driv by the increasing number of black and brown women. and that poll race still matters a ...

Chris, interesting the next time im on, show that same map with only white voters. even givens trumps collapse in parts of this country, hes still probably going to win the vast majority of white voters even with that womans number, the gender gap has been driv by the increasing number of black and brown women. and that poll race still matters a lot in this country. >> it was interesting to see one of the top lines we started this show with. by republicans and white voters was the biggest thing ...

Keeps going down this path? >> i think the implications are sowing the seeds. a bitter harvest. if he keeps going, 20 odd days before the election. there will be a massive amount of finger pointing. and what he is doing now is going to exacerbate the tension and the acrimony ten fold. you saw after mitt romneys loss in 2012. there were divergent schools of thought. he wasnt conservative enough. he didnt have the base. with trump, once again there will be litigation. because the break has happene...

Night. thats great. but it will do nothing most likely to help him win the election. >> it plays to that base, that very conservative base of the republican party that hes trying to consolidate but needs a lot more than that, juana, if elected president. hes got to go beyond that base? >> absolutely does. important it look at the areas trump is losing in terms of polls poorly with women. hillary clinton is beginning to catch him among men. saw a recent poll putting them with a one-point differen...

Skittish about donald trump saying that he did okay acknowledging the bar -- this is among republicans. that the bar is pretty low right now for him to kind of bring some of them back into the fold but that in the words of this republican he moved the conversation beyond the caught on tape hot mike situation. on the flip side of that ive been hearing from some democrats who think that hillary clinton did well but wondering why didnt she put it away, wondering what could she have done differently...

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It was a flawed performance. he executed something. as we said before, he certainly not just lives to fight another day but brings back people, elites and grassroots vote nears t -- voters into the fold. >> mika, on friday and saturday, we saw billy bush and "access hollywood" bus nonstop. if the goal is to get that off of the front pages of the newspapers and stop those clips from running in a 24 hour a day cycle, mission accomplished for donald trump. >> you can check that box. here are trumps...

Debate. hit all the red meat that works for the conservative base. end of the day he needs to bring new people into the fold. seen that sfuning 11-point margin in the nbc "washington journal" poll and i dont think thats the way to do that. twitter on what id of the aisle hes on. >> and trumps performance in the debate at least stopped the bleeding within that republican base with the speaker what the speaker did today, carol, telling other members and republican members of the house of represent...

That is titanic. >> it is. and rick, now we wake up to governor pence. he is going to campaign today. we dont know when he will campaign with donald trump but the initial reaction from pence last night, great job, you won the debate, you took to twitter. now you have someone close to pence coming out. the house speaker saying im not going to defend this guy. what is hatchippening in the pa this morning, donald trump was supposed to bring him back into the fold with the didnt performance. thats n...

Dwight eisenhower. they both knew how to be humble. he is going to have to somehow find the humility and really almost plead for forgiveness in a way and talk from the heart in a way weve never seen him do. remember when barack obama had the jeremiah wright issue and he got in front of it. nixon with the checkers speech. hes got to do something very special to bring women back into the republican fold. >> and clearly thats going to be a huge challenge at the debate tomorrow night, 24 hours from ...