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Of subpoenaing the president if he doesnt willingly agree for an interview. giuliani said today the special counsel does not have the authority to enforce that subpoena. more fighting words on this issue. >> and ive had attorneys weighing in on that as well, as to whether or not -- their suggestion was he would have to actually react to the subpoena, but he could take the fifth. so mueller wouldnt be getting something either way. okay, jeff bennett. thank you for that. joining me now, betsy wood...