overnit.>>ar > cly y rk eer pub breaking from the president, saying he does not support using active duty troops against american citizens. and what esper said about that photo op in front of the church with the bible. but then late today, a meeting at the white reversing course. u.s. troops will stay in the area. former president obama moments ago, and his message of young men and women of color. i want you to know that you matter. overseas, the massive protests in london. thousands marching over the death of george floyd. the huge crowd outside 10 downing street. molotov cocktails hurled at the u.s. embassy in athens. and pope francis in a rare move, mentioning george floyd by name on this wednesday night. the ninth night of protests across the country. and the major news, all four police officers involved in george floyd's death have been charge. in minneapolis, a cheer went up at the spot where floyd died, whenec word that all four would be charged. at the same time, thousands marching in the streets. the this from new york city, also gathering not far from the white house. on the move in detroit tonight. and in los angeles, massive crowds demanding justice. and minnesota's attorney general saying he's seeking justice for floyd and his family, because george floyd's life had value. at the same time, he said convicting police officers is difficult. and president obama and hismess of color. and there are breaking developments involving president trump and his defense secretary. we'll guide you through it all tonight. we begin with the new charges against the ex-officers. alex perez has the story. >> reporter: as protests spread around the world, tonight, all four fired minneapolis police officers now charged in connection with the death of george floyd. >> we're here today because george floyd is not here. he should be here. he should be alive. but he's not. >> reporter: the state's attorney general increasing charges to second degree murder for derek chauvin, the officer seen digging his knee into floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes. >> please, please, i can't breathe. >> reporter: the other three officers, tou thao, j. alexander kueng, and thomas lane, now charged with aiding and abetting second degree murder. >> george floyd mattered. he was loved. his family was important. his life had value. and we will seek justice for him and for you and we will find it. >> reporter: the complaint also says officer thao got a hobble restraint but the officers decided not to use it, and instead, stayed on top of him. according to the original complaint, one of the officers said, "should we roll him on his side?" but chauvin didn't do that. floyd's family attorney calling the new charges a step towards justice. >> we believe this is the tipping point in america, where we finally address something they don't like to talk about. >> reporter: the crowd erupting as word spread that the other officers were being charged. >> all four officers have been charged! >> we got all four! >> we got all four! >> reporter: the autopsy commissioned by floyd's family found it was a homicide, and that the other officers seen in this video restraining floyd may have contributed to his death. >> the weight of the other two police officers on his back, who not only prevented blood flow into his brain, but also air flow into his lungs. >> reporter: the official medical examiner's autopsy also found it was a homicide, but pointing to cardiopulmonary arrest that was complicated by law enforcement restraint and neck compression. but family experts say it wasn't his e pressure applied by officers. the day sfld'son quincy visiting the site. >> how important is change? what do you want to see happen? >> we need change. this can't happen to anybody else. >> reporter: quincy kneeling and praying where his 46-year-old father took his last breaths. tonight, applauding the arrests. >> my father should not have been killed like this. we deserve justice. >> reporter: and floyd's bright-eyed 6-year-old daughter gianna, speaking about her father to our eva pilgrim. >> what do you want people to know? >> kind of that i miss him. he played with me. >> reporter: gianna's mother roxie washington says floyd loved his daughter and she's struggling to explain his death. >> she doesn't know what happened. i told her that her daddy died because he couldn't breathe. >> reporter: but little gianna does know about her father's legacy. >> he did what? >> daddy changed the world. >> let's get to alex in minneapolis tonight. at the growing memorial behind you, so powerful to hear from his little girl. and late today, the state attorney general said that prosecuting officers is always difficult. >> reporter: yes, he said extremely difficult. but they say with the evidence they're collecting, they feel they have a case. they're building a case where they will be able to get a conviction. this community here, david, now preparing for that big memorial tomorrow afternoon. >> alex, thank you. as we ptee exprsingy, w they have to say after learning the other officers have been charged. and the message from president obama to young men and women of color, saying i want you to know that your lives matter. here's stephanie ramos. >> reporter: thousands protesting racism and police brutali brutality. tonight, word of the charges reaching protesters. >> it took protests, it took cities burning for you to arrest four people. >> i'm so happy. i still think it's not enough, but i'm so happy we're moving towards change. because a few yeaago,happened los angeles to the u.s. capital, where protesters laid down in silence in remembrance of george floyd. the crowd urging capitol police to take a knee. for days, protesters in philadelphia have tried to tear down this controversial statue of frank rizzo. the city taking it down in the middle of the night. >> this is the beginning of the healing process, this is not the end. >> reporter: george floyd's justice.owing to press for then and that's a good thing. but we must continue to keep the conversation going. >> reporter: late today, barack obama making his first on-camera comments about george floyd and the protests. >> you've communicated a sense of urgency that is as powerful and transformative as anything i've seen in recent years. >> reporter: at this point, protesters tell me they have no intention of stopping the demonstrations. they have told me every day they want racism to end. they called the charges against the officers today a step, but certainly not a victory. >> stephanie, thank you. now to the breaking developments involving president president and mark esper. esper publicly breaking with the president about using active duty troops against u.s. citizens. now reversing course. here's jonathan karl. >> reporter: today, a significant break between the president and his defense secretary over the issue of deploying active duty troops to crack down on violent protests in american cities. do jus earlier.ad threatened to ifuto take thonthat are property of their residence, then i will deploy the united states military and quickly solve the problem for them. >> reporter: that would require the president to invoke a 200-plus year old law called the insurrection act. the defense secretary flatly said today he opposes that. >> the option to use active duty forces in a law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort and only in the most urgent and dire of situations. we are not in one of those situations now. i do not support invoking the insurrection act. >> reporter: secretary esper also said the pentagon is investigating why a national guard helicopter was flying so low on monday, in a way some saw as an effort to intimidate protesters. esper's words were not welcomed today at the white house. the press secretary made it clear the president is still very much considering invoking the insurrection act. >> he has the sole authority to invoke the insurrection act, and if necessary, he will do so to protect american citizens. >> reporter: this morning, the pentagon ordered 200 troops in the d.c. area to go home. but after the meeting this afternoon, an abrupt reversal. the pentagon said troops will remain in place. esper was part of the team that walked with the president from the white house to st. john's church for a photo op about 30 minutes after law enforcement forcibly removed hundreds of peaceful protesters to clear the way. the white house says that was done on orders from attorney general barr. secretary esper insists he knew nothing about it. >> i was not aware of law enforcement's plan for the park. i was not briefed on them. >> reporter: today, the president claimed he didn't know about the plan to force out the peaceful protesters, either. >> i didn't say, oh, move them out. i didn't know who was there. i figured i was going to walk over to the church very nearby. >> let's get to jon karl, near st. john's church. we see the demonstrators behind you. we've learned that on friday, president trump was rushed to a secure bunker under the white house. now we know the reason why. the president was asked about whether he was sent to the bunker, he claimed he was just inspecting the bunker? >> reporter: the president acknowledged he did go to the bunker, but said he went there to inspect it. that directly contradicts what we've heard from multiple sources that was triggered the move to the bunker was the white house going to the highest level of alert after a barrier had been breached by protesters. and scathing words from james mattis about president trump as commander in chief, describing him as a threat to the constitution. and other military leaders in a rare move speaking out, too. here's martha raddatz. >> reporter: they are powerful images, the national guard out in force at the lincoln memorial with hundreds of fellow citizens peacefully protesting below them on the national mall. the guard, a strong presence throughout the city, on the streets. facing off in riot gear with those who have served in uniform as well. >> the military in the united states does not enforce the local population. that's just not how we do it here. >> reporter: president trump's photo op and the defense secretary's reference to america's streets as "battlespace," prompting rare rebukes from two former chairmen of the joint chiefs. "america is not a battleground." . our fellow citizens are not the enemy. admiral mike mullen writing that trump's visit laid bare his disdain for the rights of peaceful protest in this country, and risked further politicizing the men and women of our armed forces. and tonight, strong messages from leaders currently serving. the navy's top admiral. >> i will never know what it feels like when you watch that video of mr. floyd's murder. and i can't imagine the pain and the disappointment and the anger that many of you felt when you saw that. >> let's get right to martha, live from the lincoln memorial. she spoke with former defense secretary mattis, and he said in a statement, i've watched this week's events angry and appalled. what have you learned talking to him tonight? >> reporter: this is a man who did not want to directly attack president trump. he wanted to stay out of politics, which makes this even more remarkable. he told me tonight, enough is enough. he said donald trump is the first president in my lifetime who has not tried to unite the american people. david? >> martha, thank you. the death of george floyd being felt across the globe. thousands marching around the world. with prime minister inside.i 1 s maggie rulli was there. >> reporter: tonight, a flashpoint of frustration at the gates of 10 downing street. anger erupting outside the residence of the british prime minister. boris johnson inside at the time. protesters here tell us they are out here in solidarity with the u.s., but also to fight against the racial injustice they say they see every day in their country. in greece tonight, fury boiling over as molotov cocktails were thrown at the u.s. embassy during protests for george floyd. his name now being chanted by thousands around the world. the vast majority of whom are peacefully taking to the streets. his image seen on nearly every continent. thousands kneeling in solidarity. what would you want to say to people in the u.s.? >> we feel you. we literally feel you. we understand. we're standing because we understand and we feel your pain. >> reporter: we can still hear police trying to break up the crowd on downing street. but they stress the vast majority of demonstrations have been peaceful. >> maggie, thank you. and the coronavirus and the protests, and an oklahoma state university linebacker has revealed he tested positive for the virus after attending a protest in tulsa. here's steve osunsami. >> reporter: health authorities have been trying to get the message to the mostly young people marching in the streets, that the coronavirus is marching with them. and tonight they're pointing to tulsa, oklahoma. a college football player from oklahoma state has announced online that after attending a protest in tulsa and being well protective of myself, i have tested positive for covid-19. you're worried there will be more outbreaks. >> absolutely, i think with what we've been seeing, we're worried this might be a trigger for more covid infections. >> reporter: in atlanta, where large protests have been going strong since last friday, they're encouraging marchers to get tested, and are sharing this list of testing sites with demonstrators. >> although moist of the people looked healthy, we know covid could be out there in people with no symptoms. >> reporter: experts say that the tear gas and pepper spray make you more susceptible to respiratory disease. i'm standing outside of one of the testing centers. they're tell people if you happened to catch the coronavirus at a protest friday, you could be showing symptoms as soon as today. >> steve, thank you. when we come back, we're tracking dangerous storms from the plains to the northeast tonight. e things... ...can become your big moment. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss. your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. tell your doctor about your medicines, and if you're pregnant or planning to be. otezla. show more of you. 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hundreds laying face down in the nation's capital. the mayor of philadelphia taking down a controversial statue overnight. there are breaking developments involving president trump and his defense secretary. secretary mark esper publicly breaking from the president, saying he does not support using active duty troops against american citizens. and what esper said about that photo op in front of the church with the bible. but then late today, a meeting with esper at the white house, and word esper reversing again. u.s. troops will stay in the area. on this ninth night of protests, former president obama moments ago, and his message to young men and women of color. i want you to know that you matter. overseas, the massive protests in london. thousands marching over the death of george floyd. the huge crowd outside 10 downing street. molotov cocktails hurled at the u.s. embassy in athens. and pope francis in a rare move, mentioning george floyd by name. good evening. it's great to have you with us on this wednesday night. the ninth night of protests across the country. demanding change after the death of george floyd. tonight, the major news, all four former police officers involved have been charged in his death. derek chauvin, charges against him upgraded from third to second degree murder. officers thao, lane, and keung, all charged with aiding and abetting. in minneapolis, a cheer went up at the spot where floyd died, when they received word that all four would be charged. at the same time, thousands marching in the streets across the country. this is from new york city, also gathering not far from the white house. on the move in detroit tonight. and in los angeles, massive crowds demanding justice. and minnesota's attorney general saying he's seeking justice for george floyd and his family, because george floyd mattered, his life had value. at the same time, he said convicting police officers is difficult. and former president obama and his message to young men and women of color. and there are breaking developments involving president trump and his defense secretary. we'll guide you through it all tonight. we will begin with the new charges against the ex-officers. alex perez leads us off from minneapolis. >> reporter: as protests spread around the world, tonight, all four fired minneapolis police officers now charged in connection with the death of george floyd. >> we're here today because george floyd is not here. he should be here. he should be alive. but he's not. >> reporter: the state's attorney general increasing charges to second degree murder for derek chauvin, the officer seen digging his knee into floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes. >> please, please, i can't breathe. >> reporter: the other three officers, tou thao, j. alexander kueng, and thomas lane, now charged with aiding and abetting second degree murder. >> george floyd mattered. he was loved. his family was important. his life had value. and we will seek justice for him and for you and we will find it. >> reporter: the complaint also says officer thao got a hobble restraint to bind floyd's feet but the officers decided not to use it, and instead, stayed on top of him. according to the original complaint, one of the officers said, "should we roll him on his side?" but chauvin didn't do that. floyd's family attorney calling the new charges a step towards justice. >> we believe this is the tipping point in america, where we finally address something they don't like to talk about. >> reporter: the crowd erupting as word spread that the other officers were being charged. >> all four officers have been charged! >> we got all four! >> we got all four! >> reporter: the autopsy commissioned by floyd's family found it was a homicide, and that the other officers seen in this video restraining floyd may have contributed to his death. >> the weight of the other two police officers on his back, who not only prevented blood flow into his brain, but also air flow into his lungs. >> reporter: the official medical examiner's autopsy also found it was a homicide, but pointing to cardiopulmonary arrest that was complicated by law enforcement restraint and neck compression. but family experts say it wasn't his heart, it was the pressure applied by officers. the day started with floyd's son quincy visiting the site. >> how important is change? what do you want to see happen? >> we need change. this can't happen to anybody else. >> reporter: quincy kneeling and praying where his 46-year-old father took his last breaths. tonight, applauding the arrests. >> my father should not have been killed like this. we deserve justice. >> reporter: and floyd's bright-eyed 6-year-old daughter gianna, speaking about her father to our eva pilgrim. >> what do you want people to know? >> kind of that i miss him. he played with me. >> reporter: gianna's mother roxie washington says floyd loved his daughter and she's struggling to explain his death. >> she doesn't know what happened. i told her that her daddy died because he couldn't breathe. >> reporter: but little gianna does know about her father's legacy. >> he did what? >> daddy changed the world. >> let's get to alex in minneapolis tonight. at the growing memorial behind you, so powerful to hear from his little girl. and late today, the state attorney general said that prosecuting officers is always difficult. >> reporter: yes, he said extremely difficult. but they say with the evidence they're collecting, they feel they have a case. they're building a case where they will be able to get a conviction. this community here, david, now preparing for that big memorial tomorrow afternoon. >> alex, thank you. as we said, protesters are taking to the streets across america for a ninth day, expressing anger but also hope. tonight, what they have to say after learning the other officers have been charged. and the message from president obama for young men and women of color, saying i want you to know that your lives matter. here's stephanie ramos. >> reporter: this is now the ninth night of protests since the killing of george floyd. thousands protesting racism and police brutality. calling for charges for all of the officers involved. tonight, word reaching protesters. what do you think of the charges all four officers are now protesting? >> no, no. it took protests, it took cities burning for you to arrest four people. >> i'm so happy. i still think it's not enough, but i'm so happy we're moving towards change. because a few years ago, i don't think it would have happened. >> reporter: large crowds turning out from new york to los angeles to the u.s. capital, where protesters laid face-down in silence in remembrance of george floyd. the crowd urging capitol police to take a knee. for days, protesters in philadelphia have tried to tear down this controversial statue of former mayor and police commissioner frank rizzo, widely accused of being a symbol of racism for his tactics against the black community in the 1960s and '70s. the city taking it down in the middle of the night. >> this is the beginning of the healing process, this is not the end. we have a long way to go. >> reporter: late today, barack obama making his first on-camera comments about george floyd and the protests. >> i want you to know that your lives matter. your dreams matter. you should be able to learn and make mistakes, live a life of joy without worrying about what will happen when you walk to the store or go for a jog. >> reporter: at this point, protesters tell me they have no intention of stopping the demonstrations. they have told me every day they just want racism to end. they called the charges against the officers today a step, but certainly not a victory. >> stephanie, thank you. now to the breaking developments involving president trump and mark esper. esper publicly breaking with the president about using active duty troops against u.s. citizens. and then late today, after a meeting at the white house, esper saying the troops will stay. here's jonathan karl. >> reporter: today, a significant break between the president and his defense secretary over the issue of deploying active duty troops to crack down on violent protests in american cities. the president had threatened to do just that earlier this week. >> if the city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residence, then i will deploy the united states military and quickly solve the problem for them. >> reporter: that would require the president to invoke a 200-plus year old law called the insurrection act. the defense secretary flatly said today he opposes that. >> the option to use active duty forces in a law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort and only in the most urgent and dire of situations. we are not in one of those situations now. i do not support invoking the insurrection act. >> reporter: secretary esper also said the pentagon is investigating why a national guard helicopter was flying so low on monday, in a way some saw as an effort to intimidate protesters. esper's words were not welcomed today at the white house. the press secretary made it clear the president is still very much considering invoking the insurrection act. >> he has the sole authority to invoke the insurrection act, and if necessary, he will do so to protect american citizens. >> reporter: this morning, the pentagon had ordered 200 troops in the d.c. area to go home. but after the meeting this afternoon, an abrupt reversal. the pentagon said the troops will remain in place. esper was part of the team that walked with the president from the white house to st. john's church for a photo op about 30 minutes after law enforcement forcibly removed hundreds of peaceful protesters to clear the way. the white house says that was done on orders from attorney general barr. secretary esper insists he knew nothing about it. >> i was not aware of law enforcement's plans for the park. i was not briefed on them. >> reporter: today, the president claimed he didn't know about the plan to force out the peaceful protesters, either. >> i didn't say, oh, move them out. i didn't know who was there. i figured i was going to walk over to the church very nearby. >> let's get to jon karl, near st. john's church. we see the demonstrators behind you. when protests flared up at the white house friday, we've learned that president trump was rushed to a secure bunker under the white house. there had been reports that happened, now we know the reason why. the president was asked about whether he was sent to the bunker, and he claimed he was just inspecting the bunker? >> reporter: in an interview, the president acknowledged he was taken to the bunker, but he said he went there to inspect it. i've been told by multiple sources that the president went there because of a heightened security alert. he was rushed there by the secret service. he didn't go there to inspect it. >> jon, thank you. and another developing headline on this. scathing words from james mattis about president trump as commander in chief, describing him as a threat to the constitution. and this comes as other military leaders in a rare move are speaking out, too. here's martha raddatz. >> reporter: they are powerful images, the national guard out in force at the lincoln memorial with hundreds of fellow citizens peacefully protesting below them on the national mall. but growing outrage against the commander in chief from former top leaders in the military and pentagon. in the atlantic magazine, withering words from retired general james mattis. writing, we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. we must hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our constitution. president trump's photo op and the defense secretary's reference to america's streets as "battlespace," prompting rare rebukes from two former chairmen of the joint chiefs. general martin dempsey writing, america is not a battleground. our fellow citizens are not the enemy. and admiral mike mullen writing that trump's visit laid bare his disdain for the rights of peaceful protest in this country, and risked further politicizing the men and women of our armed forces. and tonight, strong messages from leaders currently serving. the navy's top admiral. >> i will never know what it feels like when you watch that video of mr. floyd's murder. and i can't imagine the pain and the disappointment and the anger that many of you felt when you saw that. >> let's get right to martha, live from the lincoln memorial. she spoke with former defense secretary mattis, and he said in a statement, i've watched this week's unfolding events angry and appalled. what have you learned talking to him tonight? >> reporter: this is a man who did not want to directly attack president trump. he wanted to stay out of politics, which makes this even more remarkable. he told me tonight, enough is enough. he said donald trump is the first president in my lifetime who has not tried to unite the american people. david? >> martha, thank you. the death of george floyd being felt across the globe. thousands marching around the world. in london, some clashing with police outside 10 downing street with the prime minister inside. maggie rulli was there. >> reporter: tonight, a flashpoint of frustration at the gates of 10 downing street. anger erupting outside the residence of the british prime minister. boris johnson inside at the time. protesters here tell us they are out here in solidarity with the u.s., but also to fight against the racial injustice they say they see every day in their country. in greece tonight, fury boiling over as molotov cocktails were thrown at the u.s. embassy during protests for george floyd. his name now being chanted by thousands around the world. the vast majority of whom are peacefully taking to the streets. his image seen on nearly every continent. thousands kneeling in solidarity. what would you want to say to people in the u.s.? >> we feel you. we literally feel you. we understand. we're standing because we understand and we feel your pain. >> reporter: we can still hear police trying to break up the crowd on downing street. but they stress the vast majority of protesters have been peaceful. >> maggie, thank you. and back here at home tonight, what health officials had feared about the collision of the two crises in the u.s., the coronavirus and the protests. an oklahoma state university linebacker has revealed he tested positive for the virus after attending a protest in tulsa. and now all protesters are being urged to be tested. here's steve osunsami. >> reporter: health authorities have been trying to get the message to the mostly young people marching in the streets, that the coronavirus is marching with them. and tonight they're pointing to tulsa, oklahoma. a college football player from oklahoma state has announced online that after attending a protest in tulsa and being well protective of myself, i have tested positive for covid-19. you're worried there will be more outbreaks. >> absolutely, i think with what we've been seeing, we're worried that this might be a trigger for more covid infections. >>eporter: in atlanta, where large protests have been going strong since last friday, they're encouraging marchers to get tested, and are sharing this list of testing sites with demonstrators. >> although most of the people looked pretty healthy, we know covid could be out there in people with no symptoms. >> reporter: experts say that the tear gas and pepper spray make you more susceptible to respiratory disease. i'm standing outside of one of the testing centers. they're telling people if you happened to catch the coronavirus at a protest friday, you could be showing symptoms as soon as today. >> steve, thank you. when we come back, we're also tracking dangerous storms from the plains to the northeast from the plains to the northeast tonight.ere psoriasis, ittle things... ...can become your big moment. that's why there's otezla. ailthat treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss. your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. tell your doctor about your medicines, and if you're pregnant or planning to be. otezla. show more of you. 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steve king known far history of racist remarks and comments lost his primary last night in pursuit of a tenth term. over 60% of republicans in that district rejected steve king. elsewhere on the hill, house speaker nancy pelosi asked the black caucus to take the lead on police reform. defense secretary mark esper is facing backlash inside the west wing for distancing himself from the use of force against peaceful protesters on day nine. joining me now, my coanchor for the next two hours, katy tur. katy, it is interesting. it's like some things in the donald trump orbit don't change. if you somehow you look like you're criticizing him within the inside, as the defense secretary is doing, be prepared for the wrath of the boss. >> listen, he has an aide that he hired back, mcatee who was charged with going through the administration and rooting out people who were perceived to be anti-trump or not in full support of the president's agenda. and i've spoken to officials within this administration who have told me that they are actively worried about that. look what we're seeing with the defense secretary. he says he doesn't support the insurrection act and now we're hearing reporting from our own white house team that the white house and the president are not happy with him. we'll get more details in just a moment. but president trump and his defense secretary are at odds over how to respond to protests. earlier secretary mark esper came out against the insurrection act, which would allow the president to deploy troops, military troops to crack down on american protesters. >> the option to use active duty forces should only be used as a matter of last roefrt and only in the most urgent and dire of situations. we are not in one of those situations now. i do not support invoking the insurrection act. >> let's go to the white house now where we find our nbc news white house reporter shannon pettypiece. shannon, tell us what you're hearing about how the president feels about his defense secretary right now. >> reporter: when i spoke to a senior administration official about this a few moments ago, their quotes were that this message was not, quote, well received within the white house. i think that was maybe a diplomatic way to explain some of the shock and displeasure with his remarks. esper is meeting at this time with the president or at least he was as of about half an hour ago of the that was a previously scheduled meeting, but, you know, you can surmise this topic will come up. but there were a lot of things that esper said that i think, you know, the white house is reacting to. one of them is esper's description of this event of the church, downplaying his involvement in it. i want you to have a listen how he characterized that visit. >> i won't know we were going to the church. i was not aware a photo op was happening. look, i do everything i can to try to stay apolitical. >> the church leaders loved that i went there with a bible. take a look at franklin graham, so respected and so many others. >> reporter: one more thing, katy. on the insurrection act, white house officials were really kind of downplaying whether or not the president was going to take some sort of action on this, whether the president was going to carry through on his threat from monday about whether or not he would send in military troops if city or a state wasn't responding to demonstrations the way he wanted to. while they said it was something that was still on the table, they were suggesting there was a sense that the national guard and the president's tough talk on governors has calmed the situation and there wasn't a need for that at this point. that's at least what administration officials were saying this morning. there's a 2:00 p.m. briefing, so, of course, a topic that will be coming up in the next hour or so. >> shannon, just to go back to esper and why he was at the white house and what he was doing with the president the other day, our colleagues spoke with esper, at least courtney did. he was saying that he thought he was going to go tour the burned-out vandalized bathroom at the top of lafayette park. have you heard of a defense secretary walking with a president to tour something as, like, a burned-out bathroom? it just seems like a weird use of the defense secretary's time. >> reporter: right. katy, everything about that day was surprising and unscripted. white house aides didn't know that the president was going to make those rose garden remarks until shortly before he actually went out and made them. they were actually setting up a podium in case he made remarks, but they weren't sure until the marks were actually given whether or not it was going to happen or not. there was a lot of confusion about how that walk from the park was going on, who was going to be going with the president, a lot of chaos trying to wrangle the reporters to get there. what esper also said is he was redirected to the white house. he was going somewhere else and then got a call from the white house that they wanted a briefing, so he wasn't even planning to go to the white house that day. it's a sense of how things can go in this chaotic sort of, you know, fly by the seat of your pants white house. >> shannon pettypiece, understatement of the century. shannon, thank you very much. chuck, depeover to you. weird having the defense secretary taking a tour of a bathroom. >> what esper is doing today is not happening in a vacuum either. mike mullin, former chairman of the joint chief of staff, somebody who's got a lot of folks who look up to him in the military, current military leaders who look up to him, a guy who is very popular at the naval academy and then some. his remarks sort of basically saying this is not the role of the defense department, this is not the role of the military, i think that had -- you can't tell me that didn't have some impact on esper personally. i'm sure if he heard if mullin is speaking out, he likely heard from others too. it does feel as though esper was responding to outside criticism. let's be honest here, the military is the last place that hasn't been polarized in american society and there's a lot of people fearful the president may polarize it too. let's move to missouri. protests remained peaceful in ferguson last night, considered one of the epicenter of the black lives matter movement. as we mentioned last night the city also elected ella jones, the city's first african-american mayor. joining us from ferguson with all of this is our own steve patterson. steve, a little history for ferguson. >> reporter: first female mayor in the city, first black mayor of the city, ella jones. i asked her, you know, what it means, what do you think this means to the people of ferguson and the people in this country? and she said one word. she said inclusion. she believes this is the way forward, that the reforms that have been made over the past six years since the mike brown incident and the ensuing incidents that sprung from that have helped this situation, obviously. and the way we think about this, the way we think about viewing police and community interaction, i think, has definitely change in this recent wave. behind me you can see some of the damage from a couple nights ago. this is kathy's kitchen. it was such a refuge when we were covering mike brown. that was hit as well as a few other businesses. but this is not representative of what happened last night. as you mentioned in that video, i covered st. louis in the past few days, minneapolis, chicago. that was the most heartening moment i've seen and it happened right here on the streets of ferguson. and i think that speaks to some of the community policing that has been done in the ensuing years. i want to ask somebody about that. we have the police chief here, jason armstrong. we spoke to you not too long ago. just saw you randomly on the street talking to the community. so what do you think is the difference between now and then, between a few nights ago and tonight, between what your officers may have interacted with on the street years ago versus what they're doing now? >> what we saw last night was we saw people peacefully protesting. and we have no problem with that. we encourage that. and so you saw the genuine exchange between the officers and the people that were out peacefully protesting because you had that respect there. and so that was the difference. what the people were doing, you didn't have people out here running around the streets trying to tear up businesses and attack police officers and trying to hurt people. they just wanted their voice to be heard. and the officers we had here in the ferguson police department, we understand that and respect that. and you saw that in the exchange between the officers and the people that were out protesting last night. and so, you know, if we can keep that kind of energy going in this community where it's just about voicing your frustration, voicing your pain, i can always sit and listen to that and web talk about ways to make the community better, ways to make the police department better. we can't do that when we have crime, destruction and chaos going on in the city. and so, you know, we want to continue to encourage people to do things peacefully, and that's the power that that can have. >> but it also has to be the posturing from your officers. some of these protests have been peaceful and the police still sprayed tear gas into the crowd, still antagonized the protesters and pushed them back into a space where they didn't feel comfortable. last night i was in the middle of it. you had protesters in the middle of the street past curfew, but because they were peaceful, we watched them be allowed to happen. does that speak to the level of community policing, the consent degree that's been in place for a few years, the reforms that have been in place that has led to more of a partnership here in town? >> honestly, i think more than anything it comes from experience. these officers, they've been through this before. and so we all, no matter what profession you're in, you get better with experience. and so, you know, yeah. we see a lot going on in the country right now with some of the response from law enforcement, but what you've seen here in this region is men and women who had the experience and responding to those things, so they understand just how important it can be for us to try to calm, you know, those tensions and ease those tensions instead of trying to escalate things. and so it's one of the things, you know, we're very tolerated of up here for people trying to do things the right way. what we're not going to tolerate is people that come here to seek and destroy. and so, yes, it does go to the messaging and the culture we're trying to build here to where, you know, we don't have to agree on everything, but we can respect everybody's right to say, you know, what they feel in they heart. and if we do that respectfully between everybody, we can see some positive results from it. >> thank you so much for your time. appreciate it. you hear the words from the chief there, obviously an extremely exciting time for people who live in ferguson. they see it as a time of change. with the mayor-elect, someone they think who represents them. moving forward, it's a place to watch, as a place that's gone through this and now that experience being shared across the country. we'll have more, obviously, from the mayor. we have an interview with her coming up on "nightly news." but back to you. >> great. steve patterson with the elbow bump there with the chief. while i love seeing the handshake, there was part of me that wondered if they should have elbow bumped last night as well. but either way, wasn't thyou kn? there was worth it. we need the moment, even if it's brief. steve patterson in ferguson. steve, thank you. the republican national committee is seeking a new home for its convention today, sort of. after the president announced he's pulling it from charlotte, sort of. it's not clear that the entire convention can be moved. the governor would not, though, guarantee a full-scale sort of convention particularly for the president's acceptance speech due to the public safety threat from covid-19. rnc officials say some aspects of the convention might remain in charlotte, call it contractual issues. but the nomination portion will move elsewhere. so the question is, what is that elsewhere and what does charlotte still keep? joining us now, anchor for wcnc in charlotte, tonya mendez. what is charlotte going to keep in regards to this convention? >> reporter: so that's the big question right now. city leaders are scratching. i mean, the idea of 80 days out and a convention picking up and leaving is absolutely unheard of. it's just never happened before. smarter, as we speak, city leaders are in a meeting with the city attorney pouriring ove that contract. it's as of you've planned a wedding and the bride and groom say, yeah, keep your party, we're eloping. so they're meeting right now to figure it out. i want to go to a statement they issued talking about their concerns that they have. quote, we have yet to receive official notification from the republican national committee regarding its intent for the location. we have a contract in place to host the convention, and the city and attorney will be in contact with the attorneys for the rnc to understand their full intentions. we can't really say, though, that this came as a surprise because everybody saw president trump's tweets last week where he came out on memorial day and said that he was considering moving it, threatening to move it if he couldn't have a convention in full. governor roy cooper said for a while conversations were going well about potentially having a scaled-back convention. those conversations came to a halt a couple days ago, and now the rnc is saying we want the full thing, we want 19,000 people in place. and the governor saying we can't do that. i can't commit to something like that 80 days out. just to give you some perspective, right now north carolina is in phase two, which only allows ten people indoors at a time. huge difference. as long as everybody remains on two sides of what they want, the governor saying i can't budge. the president saying i'm not going to bung, so we're going to pick up and move. >> well, i always thought there was the panthers stadium but, oh, well. tannia, thank you. katy, we both know how the president is. don't be surprised if it ends up staying in charlotte. >> we'll see. chuck, yesterday i spent the entire day walking the streets of new york city along with those protesters. it started on 1:00 p.m. on this show, gave up at 9:00 p.m. after 18 miles of walking. the protests were peaceful the entire time that i was there. there was tenser moments later on, but those ultimately ended peacefully as well. i was wondering why things have gotten calmer here in the city. so today we went and talked to the nypd chief of department, terence monahan about what has changed and what police officers can do in the future in order to keep tensions at a lower point going forward with the citizens of this city. let's listen. >> over the past couple days, there's been a de-escalation, the tensions haven't been as high. what do you attribute that too? >> last night we did real well. it was a very good night in comparison to the crazy nights we did before. the 8:00 curfew really did help us. it allowed us to identify groups that were looking to cause trouble and get rid of them very quickly and stopping the traffic south of 96th street really, really helped. we were able to get our resources in and out really fast. so we were able to prevent anything that started. >> even within the large groups of protesters that were coming up and, you know, getting close to officers, there wasn't an escalation between the officers and the protesters. was there a change in strategy or change in directive to the officers on the street? >> no. over the last three days we've seen a change in the protesters. i believe the people who are peacefully protesting for a movement realized that they had to push out the agitators, had to get them out of the crowd because they were ruining what the message was. in queens, erica ford had a protest, her and her people forcibly removed the agitators before the protest started. we're seeing protesters coming up to the cops and say we're not against you, we're against what happened. >> i'm seeing protesters coming up to the cops and screaming obscenities at them and taunting them. i'm not seeing the cops react. when i was seeing the cops react just a few days ago. so are the cops not being told to try to take it easy? >> listen, we are so used to being cussed at. i've been called every name in the book out on the streets. we take that. the difference is we're not getting a bottle thrown at us. once a bottle or rock gets thrown at us, that's a different story. that's a different protest. people can walk down the street and say the worst things in the world against us and we'll just sit there. >> what do you think of the images on social media, the one officer pulling down the guy's mask and pepper spraying him? >> that's being investigated. this has been the toughest time ever to be a cop. from day one, cops are being assaulted. we have brutal attacks on our police officers. we've been shot at, one over with cars, hit with bricks. this has been tough, so obviously we're going to look at the incidents were our cops were victimized. >> this is an inflection point for policing across the country and demanding that there are reforms. do you think any reforms could be helpful? >> absolutely. listen, we started reforming back in 2014 after ferguson and eric gardner. it's the concept of getting our cops in the community together to see the humanity between the two of us. you got to look at us more than just a blue uniform. we have to look at you as a community, as something we are a part of. so we've done that and we have to keep moving it forward even more. >> the governor talking about 50a, which would make police officers' disciplinary records public. what's your position on that? >> we need more transparency. it's not so much a repeal, but we need to work it out so you can get was in time we need to be transparent about how we police the city. >> this is a question i ask police chiefs all over the country black and white. why does this keep happening to black men and black women? >> there are incidents that happen. let's remember, you have 800,000 law enforcement officers across this country handling tens of millions of calls each and every day. things happen and when they do happen, we have to look at it. >> it's not happening to white people. >> we have to look into neighborhoods. every incident has to be looked at its own. an incident in minnesota, absolutely disgusting. and those officers are all going to face the consequences for it and every law enforcement officer across this country understands that. >> do you think it was racism? >> at that incident, i'm not going to speak to what was in the mind of those cops. i cannot say it. all i know is that was a disgusting attempt. no one should have to do that. once that prisoner is handcuffed, there was absolutely no reason. >> my thanks to nypd chief of department terence monahan for that. coming up next, we're live in minneapolis where george floyd's family just visited the site where he took his last breath. more develops in the investigation of his death. you're watching msnbc. ♪ thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr+/her2- metastatic breast cancer, as the first hormonal based therapy. ibrance plus letrozole significantly delayed disease progression versus letrozole, and shrank tumors in over half of patients. patients taking ibrance can develop low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infections that can lead to death. ibrance may cause severe inflammation of the lungs that can lead to death. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including trouble breathing, shortness of breath, cough, or chest pain. before taking ibrance, tell your doctor if you have fever, chills, or other signs of infection, liver or kidney problems, are pregnant, breastfeeding, or plan to become pregnant. common side effects include low red blood cell and low platelet counts, infections, tiredness, nausea, sore mouth, abnormalities in liver blood tests, diarrhea, hair thinning or loss, vomiting, rash, and loss of appetite. be in your moment. ask your doctor about ibrance. be in your moment. i don't have to worry about that, do i?are irritated. harmful bacteria lurk just below the gum line. crest gum detoxify, voted product of the year. it works below the gum line to neutralize harmful plaque bacteria and help reverse early gum damage. gum detoxify, from crest. i geh. common bird.e. ooh look! over here! something much better. there it is. peacock, included with xfinity x1. remarkable. fascinating. -very. it streams tons of your favorite shows and movies, plus the latest in sports news and... huh - run! the newest streaming app has landed on xfinity x1. now that's... simple. easy. awesome. xfinity x1 just got even better with peacock premium included at no additional cost. no strings attached. just say "peacock" into your voice remote to start watching today. i got this mountain bike for only $11. dealdash.com, the fair and honest bidding site. an ipad worth $505, was sold for less than $24; a playstation 4 for less than $16; and a schultz 4k television for less than $2. i won these bluetooth headphones for $20. i got these three suitcases for less than $40. and shipping is always free. go to dealdash.com right now and see how much you can save. moments ago the family of george floyd visited the site of his death where a community memorial has been created. their attorney, ben crump, addressed the crowd gathered there. >> i proclaim with his son as my witness that change starts today. [ cheers and applause ] we are confident that attorney general keith ellison is working feverishly to do the right thing. what is the right thing? to make sure that george floyd's family is afforded justice by holding these officers accountable to the full extent of the law, each and every one of those four officers. >> their visit comes ahead of tomorrow's memorial for george floyd. nbc's shaquille brewster is live in minneapolis. when ben crump says he expects there to be charges against the other officers before the memorial, is he saying that because he's putting pressure on the attorney general or is he saying that he's heard something from the attorney general? >> reporter: seems like it's more on the pressure side right now, katy. the case has shifted in controls it. it went from the county and then keith ellison took control at the state level as attorney general. keith ellison before he took control of this case actually said that he believed those three other fired minneapolis police department officers involved in the killing of george floyd. he said that he expected charges to come against those officers. so it could be a little bit of both. but, you know, we talk about the scene here , that memorial service that will happen tomorrow, that's the marker that you hear benjamin crump make, saying he expects charges to come before that memorial service. that service will be private for family and friends only. but here you continue to see very public commemorations. you mentioned the son of george floyd. quincy came here. he spoke and thanked people for their support. the governor talked about a justice when the governor launched the civil complaint against the minneapolis police department. our morgan chesky was here during his unannounced visit. listen to a little bit of what the governor told morgan. >> reporter: what is justice? >> it's broader. there's justice for george floyd and his family. and that's the moment in time. but the much broader piece of that is the reforms that people are asking. i think the things that we saw were incremental and incremental movements. there's no time for that. >> reporter: now, we expect to hear from the governor addressing the state at about 4:00 p.m. eastern time today. again, he launched that civil charge. when he made that announcement launching that claim against the minneapolis police department, that will not only look at the floyd case but go back to ten years of patterns and practices by this department. he credited almost the protesters, the people that have come out peacefully to let their voice be heard. he said that pressure is adding to the movement and he says he wants to use all levers of power that he has to address the systematic discrimination in policing and in society. katy? >> shaquille brewster, thank you very much. opening an investigation like that is a big step looking into an entire police department. >> to me it shows you how this shifted. i don't think five years ago you would have had any governor do that with their largest police department. just an interesting, i think, change in sort of expectations of policy leaders right now. minnesota officials filed civil rights charges against the minneapolis police department related to the death of george floyd. joining us now is paul butler, law professor at georgetown university, msnbc legal analyst and the author of "choke hold: policing black men." i want to start with the specifics here, which is the three other officers. we keep hearing there are going to be charges brought. what do you expect the charges to be. just as a lehmaayman, seems lik this could be difficult to prosecute. >> so aiding an offender isn't a crime in minnesota if you cover up, if you conceal. we know that there was a false police report filed. that report was a lie. officers signed onto that. so that establishes culpability. they could be charged for something as serious as murder. the family's autopsy report say mr. floyd died because of not just restraint to his neck, but restraint to other parts of his body. we know two other cops were holding him down, that prevented blood and oxygen from getting to his lungs and brain. so if the prosecutor wants to throw the book at them, they could also be charged with murder. >> so what you're saying is by simply signing off on the police report, every officer there had to sign it. signing on that filed police report, that in itself could be part of the criminal charge. and basically whoever else touched him, restrained him. >> yeah. we know at least two of the other officers helped restrain. the fourth officer basically held the crowd at bay, including one person who announced herself as a first responder, emt. she wanted to render aid and that cop wouldn't let her. at a moral level and a professional level for police officers, they're all implicated. the question is is what exactly the criminal charges will be. >> paul, what do you think of the legislation that hakeem jeffries has and nancy pelosi said she supported which would make it illegal for any police department or any police officer in this country to use a choke hold or to block a person's ability to breathe, essentially criminalizing it? >> i think it's crucial. this isn't rocket science, katy. if you put your hands around someone's neck and constrict their airways, they're going to die. numerous people have suffered and been killed by this police tactic, which is why it's banned in most jurisdictions. even in minneapolis where it's allowed, it's only supposed to be used where the police could otherwise use deadly force. so if the police were able to shoot someone under the law, they're allowed to use the choke hold, otherwise not. >> paul, very quickly, having a governor basically do what he's doing to the minneapolis police department, what do you make of that move? how unprecedented do you view it? and how many other police departments do you think should deserve a review as the one that minneapolis is going to be going under? >> so here's what i think is the most revealing fact. the current chief of the minneapolis police department is african-american. when he was a regular cop in minneapolis, he sued the minneapolis police department for discrimination. so i think these systemic investigations with the civil rights state division look closely at its practices over the last ten years, in some ways those are more important than criminal prosecutions they lead to systemic change. it's not like we don't know how to make police officers more effective. there's a whole lot out there about ways that they could be trained better, about use of force, about talking to people better, to get cooperation, de-escalation. so it's not like we don't know. it's just whether folks have the will to do it. one incredible fact in minneapolis, only 7% of police officers live in the city. there's no residency requirement. what we know is that when the people you patrol are your neighbors and friends, that makes a huge difference. >> that's an amazing stat there, that 7% stat. paul butler, georgetown university, expert on this stuff at georgetown law. thanks for coming on and sharing your perspective. chuck, we are awaiting a news conference from george floyd's family and the new york police commissioner here in brooklyn. plus, we're learning about the role attorney general bill barr played in president trump's walk to st. john's church in d.c. for that bible-toting photo op. you're watching msnbc. my name is christine payne, i'm an associate here at amazon. step onto the blue line, sir. this device is giving us an accurate temperature check. you're good to go. i have to take care of my coworkers. that's how i am. i have a son, and he said, "one day i'm gonna be like you, i'm gonna help people." you're good to go, ma'am. i hope so. this is my passion. if i can take of everyone who is sick out there, i would do it in a heartbeat. if i can take of everyone 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here. let's talk about specific reforms and try to zero in on what can be done. what we're hearing a lot in new york is repealing a rule that would keep police records private. we're also hearing a lot of people about looking into the budgets of the police department. what do you think needs to happen to start to address some of these issues? >> well, i think that as a trust matter we need justice for george floyd. so we need to ensure the police officers who were involved in the open lynching of george floyd are actually held accountable, ensuring that they are arrested and charged and that there are convictions. too often we have these protests and we have demonstrations and we have unrest, and then when the time -- when that time passes, we don't have a conviction. in new york, in minneapolis, in cities across the country we need to have an evidence of the commitment on the part of local leaders and on the part of police departments to real structural reform. so that includes the transparency that those in new york are calling for. that includes the collection of data on the use of excessive force, the use of body cameras. it includes training on community policing and on bias and on de-escalation. these are not new reforms. we know what needs to be done. we simply need the political will to recognize that black lives matter and that justice applies to everyone. >> so alanna, a lot of the issues that reformers have faced is the power structures that are in place to protect police officers. there's a number of things involved, but some of them include when a police officer is investigated, they're investigated by a section of that police department. there's also a very powerful police union, and there is this feeling that the police offic s officeofficer officers -- that regular civilians don't understand, couldn't possibly understand how difficult it is to be a police officer. there's hesitancy to put more controls on them because of what they do every day and how they put their lives in danger. is there a way to reconcile that and also make policing more approachable, more communal? >> there's a tension here, right? because police officers take risks and put their lives at risk every day, in theory, to exercise safety and protect the community, to protect and serve the community. and so part of the standard that we have for the use of excessive force is a determination of what was objectively reasonable for the police officer to do at the time. i'm not a criminal lawyer. i am a lawyer. i'm not a criminal lawyer, but everyone knows that's an objectively reasonable standard. and the question is what would be reasonable when there is racism throughout the country and racism that continues to affect the police departments that are supposed to protect and serve us. there's a level of immunity that applies to police officers that prevents them from being held accountable in a trial that's qualified immunity. there's now a movement afoot to try to lessen the level of immunity that police officers would be able to have so that they can be held accountable in their individual capacity for the harms that they would inflict upon people of color. i think that what we recognize is that it is not easy to put yourself in harm's way, to be a police officer. however, we have licensing for all levels of professions, and it's an important profession that should require licensing and the able to to be held accountable when you overstep and make the wrong judgment. >> alaina beverly, thank you very much for joining us today. we appreciate all your time. chuck, i'll throw it over to you. >> the licensing idea is something you don't hear a lot about. it's an intriguing one. attorney general william barr is under scrutiny for clearing lafayette park for president trump's visit to the church on monday. we have new details on the time line around that decision. pete, i think a lot of folks also explain bill barr's role in directing the -- essentially the police response to these demonstrations. >> i think it's pretty clear that the president has told the attorney general that he wants to make sure that the kind of things that happened over the weekend, the attack on the church, the fire that was set in the basement, the other kinds of looting and lawlessness that have happened don't happen again. so he's given barr that task and barr has been reaching out, we're told, directly to some of the commanders of law enforcement units to try to carry out that responsibility, working from a command center not far from the white house. the explanation we're given by several government officials goes like this, chuck. that either late sunday or early monday, the decision was made that the perimeter, that is to say the area in which people were not allowed to be in lafayette park, was supposed to be expanded. now, this was well before anyone thought about president trump going over to the church and holding up the bible. so the word went out, expand the perimeter. what we're told is that sort of mid to late afternoon barr decided to go over and look for himself to see whether that was being done, and that at some point, either while he was on the way there to the lafayette park or after he arrived there, he was then told that the president planned to, quote, unquote, take a walk outside the white house, maybe come over to that area. we don't know that he knew the details of that. so that by then he had two factors in mind for the need to move people out of lafayette park. a, the original decision to expand the perimeter, and b, the need to clear it for the president. and he said to the commanders, you need to get people moving and he was told in one case we can't move right now because we have to get more guard enforcements, chuck. >> very quick, pete. is the attorney general officially sort of in charge of this new little mini federalized zone they've created right now? you see where there's a lot of -- they created sort of different perimeters. weren't these folks have said they're working for the justice department, i guess. is he officially in charge of this, like a police chief? >> well, i think he's in charge of law enforcement assets, not areas. so remember that all the federal law enforcement, park police, atf, fbi, marshals, all of are federal and in the command of the president who has delegated that the to the attorney general. metropolitan police is different, but the answer is yes, he's in charge of the law enforcement assets, but not square footage. >> fair enough. pete williams with more transparency on the attorney general's role. thank you, sir. katy, over to you. >> you bet. chuck, coming up, republican congressman steve king, well-known for his history of racist comments, lost his re-election bid in iowa. we'll look at his defeat and other major headlines from last night's primaries after the break. you're watching msnbc. you're clearly someone who takes care of yourself. 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his tenure in congress, he's criticized immigrants frequently throughout those nine terms. he compared them to drug mules coming across the border. he suggested that border walls should be electrocuted comparing them to livestock. without committee assignments, he really capitalized on his infectiveness when campaigning. he reflects the values of that fourth district. he said if he gets into congress, he'll support president trump, support his tax cuts, defund planned parenthood, all the values we've seen in that fourth district. and strategists telling me that basically in the matchup with j.d. shulton, the democratic in the race come november, it's looking more likely that feenstra will take hold. >> it's important to point out that 64% of that republican primary le primary electorate, rejected steve king. something that a lot of national republican leaders are breathing a sigh of relief about. thank you. katy, over to you. >> interesting that they focus on his effectiveness and not his words. chuck, let's go to the other big take aways from tuesday's primary. let's go to nbc news national political correspondent steve cornacki. what happened? >> if you look at the number of votes here for these -- this is high turnout for a primary. obviously high interest in this race. you saw this notably throughout iowa yesterday. you had high turnout in this primary despite the pandemic, extensive mail in voting. the mail in voting appears to have resulted in high turnout in iowa, not just in this race. now in terms of the general election, you're talking about the impact of feenstra being the republican nominee instead of king. this is a district that donald trump won by 27 points in 2016. yet in, 2018, steve king had quite a scare. he was barely re-elected in this same district. you take king, you take the inflammatory comments out of it, you put randy feenstra up there a likelihood the district will go back to that form in the congressional race. the other headline out of iowa, by the way, was on the democratic side. they had a senate primary. teresa granfield was embraced by national democrats. she formally wins the democratic nomination. she'll go up against joanie ernst. you talk about colorado, maine, arizona, the top democratic targets. they're keeping an eye on teresa greenfield. there may be a sleeper in iowa. potential for democrats. so teresa greenfield versus joanie earnst. remember this name. here is valerie plame. major controversy around her outing as a cia agent. she ran for congress here in new mexico. democratic prime airy. more recently she shared anti-semitic content on line. that became an issue. she's been defeated. she'll not be the democratic nominee. and one other thing to note, primaries in the states yesterday, pennsylvania, normally in pennsylvania in the past 2016, 2018, nearly every vote in pennsylvania typically in person 1.8 million mail in votes in pennsylvania. mail in ballots requested. they're still counting them today. no the a huge impact now because there weren't a ton of primaries. imagine the general election now. >> wow. >> steve, you and i talked about it. >> such a good point. >> it's election month we're going to have, right? >> yes. >> it's not election night. it's election month in america. >> yep. >> election results will take forever. thanksgiving, we hope. >> yeah. >> and mail in ballots can change a lot. the steve, thank you very much. ahead, we're keeping an eye on minneapolis and the latest on the investigation. you're watching msnbc. ncht if they do have an eligible passport. comes as beijing is looking to impose a new unpopular security law on the form british colony, one that critics say would undermine the civil liberties and those living in hong kong. it certainly looks like, katy that, we're starting to see the basic lit beginni basically the beginning of the end of hong kong that we sort of were familiar with growing up and it will be something completely different in the next 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people who are responsible for doing justice. because all the world is watching. all the world is watching. >> protests sparked by floyd's death in police custody entered ninth day including demonstrations in our nation's capital. this hour, hundreds are starting to gather. today capitol police there took a knee in solidarity with the protesters. this a day after an extraordinary show of military force at one of the capitol's most iconic monuments. dozens of national guard troops lined the steps of the lincoln memorial. take that in. tensions boiled over in washington on monday with park police unleashing chemicals and flash bag onz peaceful protesters in lafayette park. it's been revealed the streets were cleared on orders from the attorney general william barr so that president eventually could stage that photo op at st. john's church. mark esper who was at the photo op attempted to distance himself from the matter. >> well, i did know that we were going to the church. i wasn't aware a photo op was happening, of course, the press drags a large press pool along with him. i try to stay apolitical and try to stay out of situations that may appear political. and sometimes i'm successful doing that. and sometimes i'm not as successful. >> joining me for the hour, my co-anchor katy tur. we started the last hour on that. and it is interesting to see again, i think some of the military veterans who are really apolitical didn't like what they saw. >> and just imagine jim mattis being put in that situation and whether he would have done what defense secretary esper did. we no he that the way jim mattis resigned his position in this administration over a principle that he felt could not be cross. i'm also a little bit confused by esper's explanations. he told carol lee our nbc news reporters that did he not know that they were going to the church. he thought he was going to tour that vandalized bathroom, that burned out bathroom at the top of lafayette park. but then today in the news conference, he said he knew he was going to the church but didn't know it was going to be a photo-op. it is all very confusing. we do know from what our white house team is reporting that the white house is not happy with esper. we'll see what happens going from here. >> we'll see. but i think the news this hour is going to be driven from minneapolis. we're going to begin there where moments ago we heard from both the son of george floyd and the family's attorney. our own shaquille brewster is there. shaq, i think the biggest thing we're waiting on today is today we may find out how authorities may go after the three other police officers that have yet to be charged with anything. >> that's right, chuck. that continues to be the demand of the family. that continues to be the demand of the family's attorney. and that continues to be the demand of people who continue to come to this site where george floyd was killed over a week ago. i'll let you take a look at the scenes behind me. that mural behind me, that was put up just yesterday. you're seeing more flowers come n more murals, more signs. the son of george floyd quincey mason, he came here h if you look to your right over here, he -- you see the actual spot where he died. he came over to this section here. he took a knee. and he had a prayer. then he spoke to people and thanked them for support that he's been receiving. listen to what quincey mason had to say. >> trying to get justice for my father. and no man or woman should be without their fathers. and we want justice for what's going on right now. >> that justice according to the family attorney family attorney is expected to come today or tomorrow before that ceremony in minneapolis. there will be a ceremony, a private ceremony for family and friends in minneapolis. this weekend there is a ceremony in north carolina where he was born. before he is laid to rest on tuesday in houston. the scene here, people continue to come in from all over. i always encounter someone from other states, people from other states, other areas. coming to pay their respects, someone who came in today was the family or the governor, the governor stopped by. he read some of the cards. he looked at some of the flowers that were here. he also paid respects. he spoke and said that justice is coming to the family and amy klobuchar just tweeted just in the past couple seconds -- >> i was about to go to you about the tweet. >> go ahead. yeah. i'll read it for you right now. she writes -- i'll read it for the viewers, minnesota attorney general keith ellis son is increasing charges against derek chauvin to second degree in george floyd's murder and also charging the other three officers. this is another important step for justice. and that was a tweet from amy klobuchar just in the past couple seconds here. and that is exactly the call that you've been hearing from people who have come out, who continue to come out to this site. who continue to protest all across the twin cities. yesterday we saw protests of 2,000 to 3,000 people to the state capitol. they want to see the wheels of justice to move and move swiftly. it looks like they're starting to get some of what they want. chuck? >> yeah. shaquille brewster, thank you. we heard in the last hour from paul butler an idea of what the charges could be. the police report signing off on that. and possibly any physical restraining the other officers did. so as we await what the charges against the other three officers look like, important context there that paul butler gave us. >> yeah. and just a little bit what legal experts pointed tout me is what makes this is a lot different than the other cases we've seen around the country is that george floyd was already handcuffed when he was on the ground and when choefin' wauvin using his knee to restrain him. he was already in cuffs when he held him down for those nine, ten minutes. chuck, let's go to washington. let's go back to the protests where folks are marching in the streets and gathering in front of the capitol building. demonstrations continue across the country including here in d.c. or there in d.c. over the police killing of george floyd. joining us now from washington, d.c., is msnbc correspondent garret haake. i understand the perimeter around the white house has been expanded. what's it like there at the capitol? >> well, katy, there were significant protests earlier today at the capitol. now i'm back on 16th street, about a block away from the white house. a block further away than where we were yesterday. you can see another significant federal law enforcement presence here. and what is really a stunning militarization of city streets and n. washington, d.c. these officers are federal law enforcement of some variety. i would love to tell you more. but they're not wearing any identifying badges and insignias, name plates. they won't tell me where they're from. some have texas flags on their shoulders. some have bureau of prisons markings on their shoulders. it speaks to the federalization of the response here in washington, d.c., which to the last 36 hours or so has been peaceful protests, almost entirely since that square was cleared the other day. you can see back behind me here not a great viewpoint. but about 150 protesters gathered here today on 16th street about a block away from lafayette square. . it is hot in washington, d.c., today about 90 degrees. expected to get hotter. but folks are back out again on the streets today. and with the curfew pushed back to 11:00 tonight, frankly not particularly enforced last night, i expect we'll see them on the streets all day and all evening today. katy and chuck? >> looks like the president's words and the rose garden didn't do anything to make those protests get smaller. garret haake, thank you very much. chuck, over to you. >> the live television. the my apologies for anybody offended by language they may have seen written on any poster board there. let's move to sarasota. a police officer is placed on administrative leave after a video surface ond social media showing the officer kneeling on the neck of black man during an arrest last month. joining us is our roert. tell us more about the story. >> chuck, in the last hour we learned that the two other officers seen in that video were placed on desk duty. as soon as this video surfaced on social immediate yashgs people immediately started comparing it to the video leading up to george floyd's death. in this case, police say the man did not complain of any physical injuries. the police chief here in sarasota said she was still very disturbed b disturbed by what she saw. >> this cell phone video shows police officers detaining patrick carol. they were called out to dixie avenue on may 18th for a domestic dispute. you can see in the video one of the officers kneeling on the 27-year-old's neck. a method they do not train for or stand behind. that officer is now on leave and under an internal investigation: >> you got your knee on my man's neck. >> the arrest report says carol resisted officers and was brought to the ground using minimal force. >> resisting arrest. >> to be as transparent as possible, they shared this chopper video showing the incident from beginning to end. >> we are bound and determined to do everything we can to rebuild and repair the relationships that were damaged in reference to what's going on in our community right now. >> carol admits he saw similarities in the way police handled his arrest and that of george floyd. >> now that i seen that, it that could have been me. i could have been dead on that ground and not standing here talking to you all right now. >> his mother wants police to be held accountable. that's why she's choosing to speak out and take a stand. >> i'm going to fight every day in this monitor. this is my right. this is mrs. carol's right. so if you want to join my riot, let's riot. i love to walk. i have on my walking shoes. with very to do it quietly. i wasn't answers. >> and i did ask sarasota police for the officer's full name. they are not releasing it to me at this point. they say because safety concerns. they do admit the officer made a mistake. they say his actions will be held accountable not just on the individual level but across this entire organization. back to you. >> allison henning of our affiliate wfla reporting from sarasota, thanks so much. over to you. chuck, this week former vice president joe biden called on congress to immediately pass legislation on police reform. the legislation he endorsed was a federal ban on choke hold proposed by new york congressman jeffries. congressman jeffries first introduced the measure in 2015 in response to the death of eric garner. i caught up with him today to find out what the next steps may be to get that legislation passed. speaker pelosi said she was going to support your choke hold legislation. >> well, here in the united states of america, not a single individual should ever be choked to death particularly by law enforcement. and the use of a choke hold or a knee to the neck or any other tactic that results in strangulation is unnecessary, unacceptable, uncivilized, unconscienceable and unamerican. i'm thankful for leadership and nancy pelosi and joe biden and others. >> you tried to do this before. it never made it out of committee. democrats control the house now. but still if you had made it out or brought up, was this what was needed to get people onboard? >> chairman nadler supports the bill. that's been the case throughout the entirety of this congressional term. first introduced the eric garner excessive use of force prevention act a year after he was killed on the streets of staten island. it never moved anywhere. last year we held a hearing where eric garner's mom along with reverend sharpton did testify before the house judiciary committee in support of the bill. so it has momentum even before the death of george floyd in minneapolis. what this is an impetus with great leader shep with speaker pelosi for the house to act now with urgency necessary given the police violence epidemic that we're suffering through. >> if the house passes it, can they pass a republican led senate? >> it seems to me that every major police department in in the country, the new york police department, the los angeles police department, the chicago police department, the philadelphia police department, the boston police department have all said that the choke hold should not be used. that's a matter of policy. the problem is it hasn't stopped rogue police officers perfect deploying it. that's why it needs to be made unlawful. and so what we're saying is that we should follow police practices and recommendations. don't take our word for it. take the word of these major police departments or we need to make it unlawful. >> do you think he would bring it to the floor? if he do, would republicans vote for it? >> it's my hope that mitch mcconnell will understand the need to address the police violence, police brutality and police misconduct epidemic that we have in america, that people have taken to the streets to try to combat, of every race. this is not a republican issue or democratic issue. it's an american issue. outlaw this uncivilized tactic whether it is a choke hold or knee to the neck. police departments throughout america, here in new york, philadelphia, boston, chicago, los angeles have all said that strangulation tactics should not be deployed. that's why we need to make it unlawful. >> the president is not in favor of limiting police departments. he is in favor of what he calls law and order and dominating the streets. do you think you're going to need a change in the administration to get this passed? >> that's possible that we will need a change in the administration. but we cannot wait. we need to act. there are people led by young african-americans throughout the country have taken to the streets because they understand the need to address systemic racism that continues to exist throughout the land. and i'm proud of those young people. i support them. i love them. i am them. and we also know that the protests are multiracial, multigenerational and multicultural. white, black, latino, asian, have all come out. and so i think now is the time for their voices to be heard. the first step is for the house of representatives to act. >> so, chuck, he first introduced this legislation in 2015. he tried to get it twice out of committee. it did not get out of committee when the republicans were in control of the house. now that jerry nadler and the democrats are in control of the house and jerry nadler is in control of the judiciary committee, he says that he expects this legislation to be on the house floor by the end of this month. this morning on "morning joe," nancy pelosi named, chuck, this legislation as something that congress can do in order to address police misconduct. but again, it's unclear what might happen in the senate. it's unclear what might happen if the president gets ahold of this. i does readily admit it may need to be a change in the administration in order for legislation like this to get passed. >> you know, it's interesting. if they go with the peace meal approach with the choke hold, right, and banning specific practices like this, i'll be interested to see if mitch mcconnell sort of tables it or doesn't. his hometown is louisville, kentucky. louisville is, you know, right now one of the three places where in the last three months we've had one of these abuse of incidents, the killing of brianna taylor. i'll be curious to see the senate reaction. i wouldn't assume there's none. that's all. i wouldn't assume there's none. but we'll find out. that's for sure. by the way, we're awaiting news out of minnesota. we heard senator amy klobuchar report out what we should hear from the governor there. we'll hear from 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the attorney general will not only charge the other three officers but will also increase the charges against derek chauvin from third degree murder to second-degree murder. i believe shaquille brewster is still with us in minneapolis. shaq, this is what benjamin crumb p is asking for. this is what the family is asking for. will this be a sense of accomplishment by the protesters? >> i think so, chuck. look at what you're seeing now. we're at the scene here. george floyd was killed over a week ago. you see instant celebration. people pulled out phones. some yelled out we got all the officers. and there was a chant saying we got all four. we got all four. there was one lady who was in the middle of the circle who said this is exactly why we're fighting:th fighting. this is what we're fighting for. that's what they're celebrating now. people are taking a knee right now. and i believe, you know this is a scene that we've been seeing for the past couple of -- for the past week, the past couple of days, and people taking a knee. they take a prayer. and i think that's what we're about to see now. let's flip around to the other side because this is the middle. this is the organizer doing it right now. you see they're putting fists up right now. he just said white, black, brown. this is another very diverse crowd that we continue to see here at the site. >> i see that. we're fighting back. respect for our ancestors that fought for our freedom and our rights. a new generation to fight for equal rights. >> yes. >> chuck, we're seeing so many young people here. people are bringing children here saying this is going to be your fight that you're going to have to take. and, again, they go back to that young lady that i saw. the young lady said this is why we're fighting. this is why we're out here. this is what we wanted. they feel like they got exactly what they've been looking for. what they've been calling for. mind you, if you talk to a lot of people, this should have come a couple days ago. they're happy with with what they're seeing now. a good warning though. someone yelled out we got the charges. now we need a conviction. the fight for justice is not over. chuck? >> yeah. that is another reminder. charges are one thing. convictions are always a little hearter to come by when it comes to former police officers. shaq, stay close, brother. we'll be coming back to you in a minute or two. >> chuck, let me just add a little to that. i was walking the streets with protesters in new york here, that is what i heard over and over again. people wanted those other three officers to be charged. they didn't like the idea or they said they felt like the police were living by and working by different set of rules than they were working by. and they wanted to rectify that. they want this -- these arrests and these charges to show that if you do something wrong as a police officer that there are consequences. the same way for most of us. let's bring in andrea mitchell. it's really great to talk to you. we want you ton day because of something we saw in philadelphia. with the protesters there. as they were mafing against police brutality, one of the -- one thing that happened is protesters took down the statue of a storied philadelphia mayor, frank rizzo. you used to cover him. what does it mean for that statue to no longer be standing in philadelphia? >> the statue of frank rizzo actually the mayor, the democratic mayor, mayor kenny, promised it would come down. it was supposed to come down in 2021 because of years of protest against it. it has been up for two decades. in front of the municipal services building across from city hall. it was due to come down. then he accelerated it so the city actually took it down overnight. it came down on to a flat bed truck at 2:00 this morning. frank rizzo really represented the worst kind of police pru broou talt back in the day in philadelphia. the kind of institutional racism that existed in many cities and still exists now. but it did represent really the analogy, i would say, is bringing down of the confederate war statues because frank rizzo was the police chief. he was a law and order police chief. he gloried in toughness and then a two term mayor. and in fact ran for a third term after switching parties. the fact is he described himself not just as a law and order mayor but in very, very graphic terms that i can't even speak on television. he did it on a live broadcast news conferences when we ask him questions. he stripped naked the black panthers, lined them up against the wall and called in the newspaper photographers to take pictures that were on the front page of the tabloids of these men facing the wall. but with their buttocks exposed. he did everything he could to humiliate the black minorities and other people of color and home xals as it was a rough time for police supporting the police reforms as well as school district and educational reforms. so it was a rough time. rough time to be a woman in that midst which they didn't have many women journalists and he toughened um toughened up a lot of us. he also had tremendous support in white ethnic communities. >> that's what i want you to contrast for folks. we're watching president trump, you know, he talks law and order and trying to go back to sort of an old playbook. you can call it the old nixon playbook. whatever you want to call it. depend on your generation what you might call it. and while that worked in the '70s and 80s in the suburbs of philadelphia, tell us the difference today. i don't know if it's going to work today in the suburbs of philadelphia. >> well, actually, i got a call from a very well known democrat in pennsylvania, pennsylvania politics just two days ago warning me that the violence we were seeing around the country was changing the tone of people calling him white residence of pennsylvania, especially in western pennsylvania, that the election could be turned again by what was -- what we were seeing if this were to persist. people were talking about president trump. is after the monday speech in the prose garden. that law and order appeal, i was frank rizzo i went with the press from philadelphia local press pool to washington and n. 1972 when he endorsed democratic big city mayor, machine democratic politics endorsed richard nixon for re-election because of a law and order issue. that is the first time i was ever in the oval office. we got escorted in to meet president nixon and then j. edgar hoover when went to the fbi building with him. he had all of the credentials. and for a democrat to walk his own party and endorse the president for re-election that, is the first time i covered -- well, i covered the '68 riots. but i then covered the protests against nixon at the '72 convention in miami. the first time i was ever tear gassed. this brings back the re-election, the election of '68 and re-election of '72 of richard nixon. that is the playbook in donald trump's brain, i think. >> we shall see. andrea mitchell, thank you for that perspective. katy, over to you. >> you bet. >> chuck, joining us now is msnbc legal analyst maya wiley. really great to you have today. i know we're waiting on the charges to be announced for the three other officers. run through what might be on the table. >> good to be with you, katy. you know, what might be on the table is aiding and abetting. that means that the other officers -- two elements, the other officers helped, supported, were complicit in the death of mr. george floyd in a way that is intentional and intentional here means, one, that you knew this was happening. you know, that this murder was in process. and that you then intended to help. in this case, helping means not helping mr. george. but it goes a little further that that. . i think paul talked about this earlier. you know, the question here is how they will lay out the specific role that each individual officer played. as we know, we've seen the video where two of the officers are physically holding mr. george down as well and at least one appears to have pressure on his back. we know from the autopsy report that the family commissioned that those medical examiners, those doctors who are well trained and well experienced said, look, these other officers contributed to the death the. and to the officer who simply watched while all the on lookers were saying, yes, hey, he's -- he can't breathe. you all are going to kill him. it was obvious to those standing around what was happening. that is strong evidence that it therefore was also obvious to the police officers. so i expect to see the aiding and abetting and one of the things to note about it that is so important is if you aid and abet, you're guilty of the crime. >> that is -- i'm glad you made that distinction. i was going to ask if there would be other charges for the other two men physically restraining george floyd and the one gentleman who was standing guard really for the other officers. i'm curious though when you consider that george floyd was already in custody, he was already handcuffed, what does that mean for prosecutors' ability to make a successful case against these officers? we all know charges are one thing. but convictions are another. >> yes. and unfortunately as we have seen convictions are -- have been far too difficult yet even with video evidence. your point is really important, katy. i know you made this point earlier. a defense that police officers often use is the person was resisting arrest. and, therefore, i was law enforcemently using force. my force was justified. so here the fact that mr. floyd was not resisting, there's no evidence of resisting. one of the concerns, and i think one of the reasons why the governor removed this case from the county district attorney is they were -- they put in the complaint that he had been resisting arrest earlier. that was irrelevant. he was not resisting arrest at the time. and that's the only thing that is relevant. the only other thing i would say here is even when you're resisting arrest, force can be excessive. and we should be careful not to even in the face of police officers who say resisting arrest to say you still can't asphyxiate someone. you still can't strangle them. you can apply pressure for a brief period of time. but i don't know anyone who would argue that if someone is reasting arrest then it doesn't matter what you do to subdue them. but in this case, there was not even resistance. and that's one of the things that can typically complicate the prosecution of these cases. >> maya, hang with us here. we have a new statement from the floyd family. the attorney benjamin crump released this statement. this is a bittersweet moment. we're deeply gratified that the attorney general took decisive action, arresting and charging all the officers involved in george floyd's death and upgrading the charge against derek chauvin to felony second-degree murder. if you could stick with us, also joining us is another former prosecutor herself. she is also a former u.s. senator and msnbc political analyst clair mckas kel. senator mckas kel, you know, this -- explain what is going to be -- it's one thing what the charges are going to be. how do you difficult do you expect this prosecution tore, particularly of the officers that are not derek chauvin? >> well, what has just happened if this is in fact the case, by upgrading the charges to second-degree murder, the prosecutor now has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that these police officers intended to kill george floyd. the previous charges, it was a standard of depraf ti or indifference but not a specific intent. now there must be a specific intent charge. and maya is right. one of the defenses, it's most common in cases against police officers, they always have a defense that they can convince the jury they were in reasonable fear for themselves or others. well, this man was handcuffed. wh the accused murderer rolled up in his patrol car. so there was no danger to these police officers or to others. so now it's going to come down to intent. can the prosecutor prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was an intention to kill this man? i believe based on what i read, and i haven't seen the whole file, but what really is going to be key here is the amount of time that passed between the officer checking for the pulse and the time they finally took the knee off the neck. an officer checked for a pulse and said i don't feel one and almost three minutes passed after that point in time before the knee was removed from the neck. that's three minutes where those other officers could have done something. they could have said something. they could have acted. the fact that they did nothing even though they have not been charged directly with a crime, they've been charged with aiding and abetting, the jury can iner if by the action or inaction that they also intended for this victim to die. so i think there is a higher burden here. but it's -- but it's one that i think they have some powerful evidence to take to the jury. >> let me ask you this, clair. much it's possible one of these officers decides to cut a deal, right? and maybe becomes a witness for the prosecution here. you expect something like that in this case? is this something if you were a prosecutor that you would welcome as a development if one of the other three officers say that, you know, maybe decides there is regret. we don't know. maybe he has something to offer if he's got something specific to offer. . do you expect an attempt by -- something like that? >> well, the original complaint mentioned an officer asking shouldn't we roll him over? you know? and even made reference to a physical condition. so maybe that officer would have the best chance to make a plea deal and say to the prosecutors here's what i can tell you. but i don't think any prosecutor in this case is going to make a deal unless there is something that can be offered that really cements the intent. and i haven't seen the police reports. i don't know what's there. but i know this. if you stand silently in front of a jury for three minutes, that's a long time that those officers had after somebody said they couldn't find a pulse. >> senator, what we're hearing right now is a live -- there's a live pictures of minneapolis and we're hearing pretesters singing we will overcome. i'm curious to ask you about your old colleagues in the senate. today speaker pelosi said she endorsed some legislation that was brought back in 2015 by hakeem jeffries which would ban choke holds in police departments across this country, ban any maneuver that would impair a person from breathing. what is the likelihood? and they expect this to pass the house maybe at the end of this month. what is the likelihood that the senate would take that up and then pass it? >> well, first of all, you have to -- i'd have to read the legislation. the are they saying no federal funds can go to local police departments unless they ban choke holds? or the kind of knee hold that was done in this case? is it that, i think, is perfectly reasonable. are they going to make it a federal crime for police departments to use one of these holds? ? i think that would be much more controversial. but keep in mind, what the federal congress does does not necessarily reach state and local police departments. what reaches state and local police departments is state law. and the decisions of police chiefs and mayors and city councils. the so i don't know how it's written. they can certainly withhold any federal funds that police departments might be entitled to if a police department refuses to outlaw these kinds of holds on suspects. >> maya, the decision by the attorney general to upgrade the charge, you know, there was -- it did seem as if the county attorney and i'm certainly -- i'm guessing your familiar with this. you run into this sort of fine line on one hand you want to make sure you can get a conviction for your charge and on the other hand, you don't want to undercharge. is there risk here upgrading? >> well, as clair said so rightly, the standard that the prosecution has to need is higher. i also agree that the facts here lend themselves to a murder in the second degree charge for the very reasons that clair so he will consequently laid out. i think the concern here is when you have something that even the police department i have toll you living in new york city and looking at cases around the country where usually you put them on desk duty and keep paying them and then allow an investigation to play out, that's a strong indication that the police department itself was extremely disturbed by what it saw. i want to give one other example. there was a case in minneapolis where a young man was charged with second-degree murder for child abuse. horrific. the child died. why would we say that police officers not have to essentially face the same type of charges for such egregiousness? certainly it's a higher standard. one of the reform that's people are talking about for decades now is the fact that district attorneys also have close relationships with police departments. and the relationships and there have been real calls for considering independent prosecution where there is police abuse. just to make sure, and i'm not ascribing any bad or ill intent on the district attorney here. but relationship dozen sometimes shade whether or how badly you think an actor or behavior is. >> yeah. and district attorneys have to work hand in hand with police departments a lot of times to bring charges against suspects. just so everyone knows, on the left hand side of your screen, we're awaiting for the attorney general of minnesota keith ellis son to announce these charges, to specify what the charges are for the three police officers and also announce the upgraded charges for derek chauvin. on the ground in minneapolis at the site where george floyd died in police custody is shaquille brewster. we saw them singing we will overcome. what are people telling you? >> yeah. >> this has always been a sacred ground since he died at this scene. you saw people here paying respects, bringing flowers, coming out to pay respects. and then the news broke. someone read it out loud. that's when you saw that organic celebration. they were singing we shall overcome and they were teaching people the words of the song. i have ireland that came from wisconsin. what was it like to be here during that time? >> it was beautiful. honestly. i have never heard that many people sing it that loud before. i used to sing it when i was a kid. it was really beautiful to see everyone out here supporting and then when the news broke, it was just awesome. i have my friends here with me to support me. the they're wonderful. and i couldn't thank anyone else in the world for. >> i saw you during the song with your fist in the air. tears were coming down your face. what did you think when you heard that the officers, all four officers involved in his killing were being charged? >> take your time. >> i think it's awesome. you know, i think it needed to happen. i think that it will be a wakeup call for the whole nation that this stuff actually goes on. and it's not not happening just because you don't see it. and we will get our justice. and we will have our allies. and we will not be caught. >> you traveled here several hours from wisconsin to come here. what made you come here originally? >> originally, this is -- mine, i didn't grow up too far from here around the hudson area. i heard that this happened, i mean it happened three times during the course of quarantine where a black life has been taken and there has been no action on it. i just felt i was compelled to come here and show my. i'm not too far away so whatever i can do to help. i brought a cooler of water and snacks to hand out to everyone. so i'm just here to help and show my support and love. >> katie, ireland is not alone in bringing snacks. people have been bringing lunches and flowers, water for people. it's a hot day out here. people have been trying to do whatever they can to make it a little easier for people to be here and pay respects. i want to ask you, why did you come here? what was it like to see that moment of everyone singing "we shall overcome"? >> it was really inspiring and beautiful as ireland said. and i grew up in milwaukee. i've always had a very diverse group of family friends and friends. so i just wanted to come out and support everyone because it's something i strongly believe in and also support my friend ireland. >> explain that, support your friend ireland. >> well, i am privileged and i can do things that ireland can't do by herself. i wanted to make sure that she is safe when she comes to places because it's just not a safe world. >> not everyone can be here on the ground at the site where george floyd was killed. for, you know, on tv we only get a narrow view of what it looks like. explain for people not here, what is it like being here at this site? this entire intersection? what do you see? what do you feel? >> it's peaceful and no one is fighting. period. everyone is here to help each other. and be kind to one another. no one is fighting. no one has any ill will towards anyone. think want justice. and they want what is theirs and they deserve justice. and that's all i got to say. >> how about you? what do you see looking around looking at the site? >> yeah, i just see a community coming together to help everyone out. and it's really beautiful and peaceful and we're all here for the same reason, to get justice. >> thank you so much for coming and speaking with us. i hope you get to have the commemoration that you wanted. thank you again. >> thank you. >> katy, there you have it. people coming from all over. and i met someone yesterday from texas. i met someone from colorado. people driving up to pay i respects and have that commemoration here at the site where george floyd died over a week ago. chuck? >> thank you, shaq. by the way, while you with doing your interview we split screened you there with the protest taking place in washington, d.c., where we saw elizabeth warren meeting with some protesters, taking a few selfies. i know some viewers saw it. we're also watching some protests around the country as well. but katy, as we await here, we're still waiting for the attorney general to come out and formally announce what apparently everybody else is announcing for him from amy klobuchar to the family attorney putting out a statement. it seems as if everybody has it. >> i got a little news here. we showed the interview with hakeem jeffries and the legislation to ban choke holds. i just got a text from senator gillibrand's team saying that she will be introducing the senate version of that bill this week. i asked specifically clair's question which is, is it criminalizing the choke hold or is it talking about taking away federal funds from police departments who refuse to ban it? they say it will make choke holdings a federal civil rights violation so that officers who use them can be prosecuted at the federal level. effectively, banning the use. just one other thing. the new york city council has been trying to criminalize choke holds here in new york city up until what happened with george floyd the mayor of this city was not in support of that. but there are questions about whether his opinion of it might have changed. the nypd bans their use. but making it a criminal offense would take that one step further. >> right. you know, it is interesting. leave it to clair mick kas kel being someone that tries to spend a lot of time trying to make sure and go back and forth on both sides of the aisle trying to get compromise legislation. she kind of outlined where there -- if there is interest on the other side of the aisle of finding some sort of broad agreement that you may have it as a funding where you use federal funding to essentially coerce state and local officials to ban these practices. >> yeah. as she said, it might be easier to get that passed in a republican-controlled senate over criminalizing it. we'll see what happens. protesters say this could be an inflection point where the overwhelming pressure and overwhelming outrage you're seeing on these streets could force change that would have otherwise been much harder to do. >> i wouldn't be surprised if you see a lot of local or even state governments. maybe they do criminalize or do create some sort of ban on these practices in conjunction if the federal government creates that funding, the funding incentive, if you will. let's recap where we are. we're a few minutes away from the top of the hour. we're awaiting news from spalt. paul on what we've been reporting on in the last few minutes. according to a tweet posted by minnesota's senior senator amy klobuchar, charges against the other three officers involved in george floyd's death are expe expected. she says the attorney general will not only charge the other three officers, but increase the charges against derek chauvin to second degree murder. nbc news has not independently seen this. we haven't seen the documents. the "minneapolis star tribune" is reporting similar developments as well. we're awaiting that press conference. katy. >> and as we await that press conference, what we're seeing right now, live pictures in minneapolis. as shaq brewster was just saying, chuck, it was -- the protesters were really moved by being there, but also felt really vindicated by the announcement or the news at least from amy klobuchar so far that these other three officers will be charged and there will be upgraded charges on chauvin. it is something that came up over and over again as i was walking alongside protesters in new york city, this idea that in order for this to be justice for george floyd and justice for black americans on the whole and black americans who have felt victimized by the police, that they needed to see all four of those officers face repercussions. chuck, when you watch that video -- i remember the first time i saw that video, it was so difficult to watch, all nine minutes of it, seeing george floyd's face, watching chauvin have his knee on his neck, but also watching that officer in front stand there and look the people on the street in the eye as they were saying, you are killing him, he can't breathe, and to just stand there blank-faced and not reacting. it was so hard to see that. every bone in your body as a human wants to help somebody who is in pain. >> you want to help somebody. >> it made you want to reach through your screen and help that man. it made me consider what i would do in that scenario, how i would try to physically help somebody in that circumstance. but you have to take it from the perspective of those people on the street. it is a scary thing to try and forcibly remove a knee from a neck as a police officer is doing that. what this would do, seeing these officers face charged, if they are convicted, seeing them get convicted, would mean that the people watch iing, the people watching would be justified in going up to a police officer and saying, you can't do this, you are killing a man, you are killing a woman, you have to have some humanity. >> i believe claire mccaskill is still with us. claire, you were a prosecutor in kansas city, jackson county prosecutor. explain -- the relationship between prosecutors and law enforcement and how you think that's evolving over the last few decades. >> well, there's always friction there because police never bring the prosecutor a case that they don't think should be filed. the prosecutor's job is to evaluate the case and make an independent judgment from the police. that should be true, also, for cases of unnecessary force, excessive force or in this instance murder, in charging police officers. but maya is right. there's relationships. some prosecutors are better and stronger at being independent. one thing i wanted to circle back on, i'm not sure what the minnesota law is. but in most states, the prosecutor and/or defense lawyers may have an opportunity to require that the judge instruct on a lesser-included homicide, and that will be a really difficult decision if it's the prosecutor's decision. what you do -- let's say you instruct on second degree murder, if you find he intended to kill this man or third degree murder if you found that he had depravity and didn't care about this life of this man. that would be a situation where you might get a compromised verdict. you might be able to convict him on murder three or there might be one or two holdouts on murder two. so getting a conviction at the end of this on murder two for all four of these gentlemen, it is definitely doable, but there will be pressure to be safe -- you can imagine what might happen if this man was found innocent of doing this, what it would do to this country. keith ellison has a big job in front of him managing this prosecution in a way that is true to the evidence, but also make sure that these men are held accountable. >> well, i mean, we don't want to talk about that. i lived in south florida when convictions didn't happen and charges didn't happen, and that doesn't -- that doesn't go over well when those things happen either. so one thing to get charges. not getting a conviction could have a huge impact on all of us. stick with msnbc for the latest on this story as it develops on behalf of katy and myself, we thank you for trusting us these last two hours. nicolle wallace and brian williams will pick things up after this quick break. brian williams here with you once again. 3:00 p.m. in the east, 2:00 p.m. in minneapolis where there have been significant developments into the investigation of the killing of george floyd, the unarmed african-american man who died with a knee to his neck during a traffic stop on memorial day. oddly it was minnesota senator amy klobuchar who tweeted within the last hour that the charges against derrick chauvin, the police officer who put his knee on floyd's neck and kept it there, have been elevated to second degree murder. he had been charged with third degree murder and manslaughter. the charges will be filed against the other three officers involved in floyd's death, something protesters across our country have demanded. the "minneapolis star tribune" saying they will be charged with aiding and abetting murder. we're waiting to hear officially from the attorney general keith ellison who has been appointed by the governor, as well as the governor himself, tim walz. a short time ago crump family attorney -- i'm sorry -- floyd family attorney benjamin crump issued this statement, quote, this is a significant step forward on the road to justice, and we are gratified that this important action was brought before george floyd's body was laid to rest. he went on to say we encourage attorney general ellison to continue his investigation, and we hope and expect to see the charges ultimately upgraded to first degree murder. >> no man or woman should be without their fathers, and we want justice for what's going on right now. i appreciate everyone showing support and love. i thank y'all for that. just so emotional. >> that happened at the site of george floyd's fatal encounter with police officers. he and members of floyd's family including his son there, took a knee and prayed before describing the pain his family has felt as a result of his death. this is what things look like. we have a live picture for you nou at the location where george floyd died on memorial day. family members and the neighborhood have been treating this as a sacred site, saying they would put up with no violence there and indeed for days and days on end, it's been peaceful. the sound only of praying, sporadic speeches and remarks to the crowd. the neighborhood itself has become something of a shrine. the country, for that matter, is enduring protests for a ninth day, protests largely peaceful, the majority peaceful, have been calling for charges to be filed against all of the officers in the case as well as more accountability nationwide for police officers and an end to institutional racism. at this point let's bring in nicolle wallace, host of "deadline white house" at 4:00 p.m. on this network. nicolle, it does feel like pieces are in place and moving today. >> yeah. i think we will probably still be on the air together when this story changes yet again. i think someone who probably has a better sense of that on this quickly moving news day is our colleague gabe gutierrez. he's there at the scene of the pictures we've been showing at the scene of george floyd's death in minneapolis. gabe. >> reporter: hey, nicolle. we're here at the scene where, as you mentioned, just a few minutes ago there was spontaneous cheering that came out when people learned of senator klobuchar's tweet. this was the site where shortly before that there had been a very emotional press conference by the son of george floyd. family attorney ben crump was here which you just described a short time ago. i want to take you into that moment when there was people gathering here and celebrating tho those -- that first report of news, that there might be upgrades in charges in this case. ma'am, you were here just a little time ago. you got on the ground on one knee and there was a celebration of the reports of these charges. why are they so significant? >> they're significant because we got them. we have been out here protesting, marching peacefully, and we got something, we got something. like i said before, i can't say i'm happy. i can't say i'm mad about the charges. i can't say any of that. i don't think i'll be happy until me, my sisters, my brothers cannot be scared of the police. just because you charge them, doesn't mean it's going to stop the force, all the blue lives that do this to our people, our community. i won't be satisfied until i can wake up and have kids and have them not fear their lives just for being black, for being darker than other people. it's not enough. i can say it's not enough. it's not enough until everything changes. >> zoe, thank you very much so much for talking to us. this is so emotional. this pain is coming out for so many people here. >> it's beautiful. show this, show this on the media. you want to talk about how many are rioting and looting? look at this community that came together. when i was marching on that bridge, i had a full meal the whole day, bananas the whole day, i had bananas, snacks. people i never met before caring for me. i was ten feet over there, a woman asked if if she could spray sunscreen on me so i wouldn't burn. the love people have for each other is insane. what they're showing on the media is disgusting. we're not mad -- we're mad but we're peaceful and we're fighting for our community. we're not fighting, we're standing together, and i hope you show that. i hope you show the world that. >> reporter: zoe, more panned more people have told me this is not about just george floyd. this is about so much more. talk to me about this community, what minneapolis has had to go through in the previous years. yesterday the state opened a civil rights investigation against the minneapolis police department. tell me about that. how is this bigger than george floyd? >> this is bigger than george floyd. i can't name you how many black men have died, i can't name how many people have suffered from police brutality, how many are scared when they get pulled over, when they go to their grocery store, when they leave their house. i can't tell you. i can tell you we're standing up. we're scared but we're standing up. >> reporter: zoe, thank you very much. nicolle and brian, we're still awaiting word from the state's attorney general office. i do want to ask you, right now the reports are that the three officers would be charged with aiding and abetting and the upgraded charge for the main officer from third degree to second degree murder. again, we're awaiting the official announcement. if those charges turn out to be the case, are those charges enough for you and all the people here? >> they're not enough. >> why is that? >> they're not enough until i can walk on the street and feel safe. they're not enough until every officer is held accountable. it's not going to be enough. it's not going to be enough until we feel safe in our community and that officers -- until officers protect and serve and use their badge appropriately rather than using it to murder people. it's not enough. >> one last thing, we're here at the site where george floyd took his last breath. have you been here before or is this your first time? >> this is my first time. monica has been here. we were walking on the bridge on sunday, was it? we've been out here. we've been using our voices, and i'm proud of us for using our voices. and i'm so proud of -- you look around. it's not just black people here. it's white people, brown people. i love this. i love this. it won't be enough until we're all safe, until we can all feel safe. >> zoe, thank you so much for speaking with us, sharing your story, that raw pain and emotion. thank you so much for speaking with us. nicolle, as we look around here, you can see how many people have come to this, people of all walks of life, young and old, black and white. right now they are awaiting the official word from the state attorney general of those potential charges against the officers. as zoe just so eloquently put it, this is just such a raw, emotional moment that happened here a few moments ago. it's just something after several days of covering this, being here a week, this is what many people are feeling right now. it's not just an anger or an outrage. it's deep emotional pain that many people are feeling here. nicolle, back to you. >> gabe, do me a favor and tell zoe schaeffer of minneapolis we see her, we hear her, everyone saw her and heard her today. she's always welcome to come talk to us about anything on her mind in these days. joining our conversation now, eddy claude, professor of african-american studies at princeton university and an msnbc contributor and melissa murray, nyu law professor who clerked for justice sotomayor, now supreme court justice sotomayor. ed eddy, i don't want to lose the thread that zoe schaeffer introduced, a gift to all of us. i'm sure she's got this more right than i would get it, that this is a development to be covered if it bears out, the charges against officer chauvin may be upgraded and the other officers may be charged. but in zoe's words, it's not enough until she feels safe in her community. >> that's a very important point, right? in the history of these sorts of cases, even if the officers are charged and they're taken to court, often they're acquitted, there's no justice. we can place this within a broader historical context, nicole. usually when there is this kind of -- what is seen as a concession. we're going to charge the officers with second degree. we're going to charge the other officers with in some ways being complicit. then you get the question, what more does the negro want, which is the historic question that we're asked all the time in these sorts of situations. that question actually reveals the deep underlying problem. we want to be treated like human beings, like all human beings are treated. and until we have a society that treats us equally across the board, we will still find our voice to call attention to deep inequality and injustice in this country. >> let me follow up on that with you, melissa. absent nationwide -- and they have turned into international protests on the street, ignited by what we all saw with our own eyes, heard with our own ears, would these charges have changed? are they just responding to an international outcry over the initial charges not being adequate? >> well, it's hard to say. obviously there may be a political element to this in the escalation of charges. it may also be that in the footage of the event, in investigating the relationship between the two men, they actually have found evidence of intent, and that's the difference between the original charge, third degree murder and second degree murder, is the presence of intent. as more facts come out, they may be able to escalate the charges even further. first degree murder in minnesota requires elements of premeditation which is substantially harder to show. it's worth noting, this is just the charging phase. they can bring these charges and it may be solved for the family as a dignitary matter. when it goes to trial, it will ultimately be up to the prosecutor to show this was an intentional killing even though it lacked premeditation and not simply a reckless killing. that will be the question, whether he'll be ultimately convicted of second degree murder or of some lesser charge. >> eddie glaude, i'm still caught up in the words of zoe schaeffer. why do we need any other voice right now? i'm looking at the notes i was taking while she spoke. it's not enough until everything changes. we're scared but we're standing up. it seems to me that could speak for the whole movement. >> yes. it demonstrates and illustrates, brian, a level of courage and commitment in the face of what is historic wrongdoing. it seems as if this is the kind -- this is a couple lated grievance. think about how young they were when trayvon was killed or how young they were when michael brown was killed, right? so 2014, 2014. six years ago. and what has happened between 2014 and now? well, what we know is there's still been police killings r killings, that our communities are still policed in the same way. what we see here with this makeshift memorial is that once again we have a site in a town that has back sacred space for black folk, a space where violence was exact ed and georg floyd's dirt -- the grime from this spot may find its way to the lynching memorial in montgomery, alabama. we heard it in the trembling voice of zoe just a few minutes ago. >> melissa, as i come to you we're watching on the right-hand side of the screen the speaker of the house going over to, at least as close as she can get, to lafayette park. new barricades moved in overnight. that is actually -- i am wrong. that is the capitol grounds, not lafayette park. i just saw the dome in the background. perhaps she is headed to a demonstration. but melissa, i want to tell you, since we've been having our conversation, the court system in minneapolis has put on its website indeed the charge has been upgraded from murder three to murder two. to piggyback on your earlier comments, i am guessing what prosecutors want to badly to avoid is kind of overshooting the target on a murder charge, applying a murder charge that they can walk away from a courtroom with a guilty verdict or at least the highest chance of that. they can assure themselves of that before going to court. >> i think that's right. i don't want to downplay the importance of these protests. obviously they've focused incredible energy and attention on what has happened. it's also focussed attention on the prosecutorial missteps. why did it take so long for these other officers to be arrested and charged? why did it take so long for officer chauvin to be charged in the first place. there is some element in which they're responding to this. at the end of the day, it will be a huge disaster, i think, for the african-american community in minneapolis if mr. chauvin and the other officers are -- go free because they couldn't make out their case or are charged with something much less than murder because the prosecution couldn't prove these charges in open court. >> eddie, since brian brought us the breaking news about the charges being made official by the state, your thoughts. >> it's a good first step. i'm e ooh trying to figure out why senator klobuchar jumped in front of a.g. ellison. i'm trying to think what the hennepin county d.a. was thinking. i supposed more evidence came in to give a generous read. more importantly, nicolle, i'm looking at these images, this ritual practice of grief. these yourng people crying, folks who haven't been able to grieve over their loved one and it's breaking my heart. >> eddie, it breaks my heart that it's breaking my heart. tell me more. i wonder and i worry that we're covering this at a superficial loefl when i hear you say that and i hear zoe talk about whatever happens in the legal procedure, it isn't enough. >> historically, nicolle, we get to this point, white america congratulates itself. see, the system work. america is true to its principles, we're charging the officer. then we want to pause and pat ourselves on the back. when we look at these images. when we look at this makeshift memorial, this is just one of many. think about all the teddy bears in ferguson. these young folk, if they were 20, they were 14 in 2014. part of what we're seeing here is not so much a faith in american -- in america's promise, but a deep seeded skepticism overlaid by grief, a grief that is tied to what has been happening with coronavirus. i'm worried about zoe. she should have a mask on. >> me, too. >> i'm worried about all those people who have gathered there. i want to go tell her, put a mask on. i'm thinking about all the folks who are grieving now who are grieving because they've lost loved ones and they couldn't be there. it is compounded grief. it's accumulated grievance. all of this is there and we have no guarantee that america is going to do the right thing. that's at the heart of it all, at least for me. >> melissa, could you pick up for me. >> sorry, nicolle. go ahead. >> melissa, i wanted you to pick that up, the thread. do we focus our attention on one case, do just enough to move it off the headlines and then revert back? >> brian and i talked a little bit about this last night, but i agree with eddie that this really isn't -- it's prompted by george floyd's murder, but it's not exclusively about george floyd. it's about the whole question of state violence. that can be police violence or it can simply be the mismanagement of a global health crisis that leads to the senseless loss of 100,000 people. it can be able the loss of economic security, about safety and health. all these people are out here because in some way the state has failed. they failed george floyd. they failed in bringing these charges in a timely manner. perhaps they failed in bringing the appropriate charges. but ultimately everything in the last couple months have amounted to a public outcry where people are tired and they want to see change, they want to see the country that they thought america could be, and this is what we're seeing in the streets. >> shaquille brewster is standing by for us. he's been in the twin cities for a number of days and has grown very familiar with this neighborhood. shaq, as you and i have discussed for days. what a solemn place this has become, necessarily so. >> reporter: a very solemn place, but the feeling continues to change. charges were announced against all four officers. i turned into an immediate celebration. people are saying we've got all four. people stopped, they got on one knee, put their fist in the air and started singing "amazing grace." that's the shift you continue to see here on the ground. i want to talk to someone who came here from bloomington, right nearby in the area. what are you thinking when you heard the charges and what are you seeing here? >> i see a lot of love here, and i see a lot of people who are working together to make a change. this happens to be my first time coming down here, but i'm completely overwhelmed by the sense of community i'm seeing here and the love that people are showing. the need and cry for justice is so strong. i can feel it just being in this area. >> what made you come down here today? >> what made me come down here today? i came down here today because we need reformations and we need change. we need for people to know that we care and we're here and we are just as valuable as anybody else who walks this street. what happened here shouldn't have happened to anybody. i'm just here to make my presence known and make a statement. >> what's your reaction to all four officers involved in the death of mr. floyd, all four officers are now charged, according to the early reports we're seeing right now. what's your reaction to that? >> i think they deserve to be charged and i hope they're charged fully to the law. i hope the same law that is supposed to protect does its job and holds them accountable. it's not just to protect, but to hold people accountable and make sure we're safe here. >> mom, you came with your daughter here. why did you come down? >> i just came down to support george and show a little sympathy and let them see what was going on, just to support. >> this has been described to me multiple times as a sacred place because it's the exact spot, because of the murals, the flowers that people are bringing. do you feel that? do you feel power? is there a weight. >> there's a weight the moment you walk in, the love from everyo everyone, offering water, offering food, telling people to stay safe. the positivity, the spirit. you walk in and have all these tables set up giving away food, diebe diapers, household supplies. you walk in and everybody is calm. just a real peace. >> we've talked before about how this area, the twin city area, there's been these police and community tensions before. there's been killings, shootings before. does it feel like this one is different in terms of what will happen after it? >> i do feel a difference. i just think the fact that everybody is just coming together and it's been open and it's been out there, now people can see it with their own eyes. >> you think it's clear this time? thank you so much. appreciate your time. thank you for talking to us. >> reporter: brian, that's what you can't to see. if you look around, and i keep talking about the diversity of the crowd here, you continue to see that. people are handing out, as she said, food, water for folks. it's a very hot day. brian, we talked about this a couple nights ago, us being in the middle of this pandemic, people are handing out masks for folks, making sure they're staying with their face coverings, handing out hand sanitizer. despite the virus, despite this pandemic, people are still saying they want to come out here and commemorate the memory and life of george floyd, but they want to do it safely and they want to continue to do this until they see change. we're seeing that change with the charges against those four officers. also, remember, yesterday the governor announced that civil charge against the minneapolis m police department, looking not just into this case, but the last ten years looking into the patterns and practices of that police department, over the past ten years. brian. >> shaq, thank you. perhaps you're coming in late in a conversation, but if you see anyone giving out masks, to that incredible young woman named zoe schaffer that we talked to on live television, make sure -- this is instructions from eddie glaude, make sure she gets a mask because professor glaude is worried about her health during a pandemic. we try to be a full-service network here. nicolle wallace, indeed -- go ahead, shaq. >> reporter: brian, i just wanted to say. one scene i saw earlier, not with the two that we spoke to, but there are people here who have petitions, petitions to recall the county prosecutor here. of course, there's a petition and pens. as people are signing the petition, i've seen them go around and spray hand sanitizer, it's petition and hand sanitizer all in one. there's that awareness. some people are choosing to go without the mask, but even the moment when the officers were charged and that's when the news went about the crowd, someone yelled out, make sure we socially distance. people aren't necessarily doing that. as they're trying to fight this virus, but also fight the racism in society. brian. >> all right. just make sure zoe gets one because we need her healthy for this conversation. we have it confirmed that the remaining three officers are getting the aiding and abetting charge. also, nicolle, this is a minneapolis police chief who said on live television that their silence equalled complicity to him, that he found they were absolutely guilty of doing and saying nothing while officer chauvin, if anything, and this is the perverse part of this perverse video. if anything, he was so casual about what he was doing. we saw him shifting his weight to maximize the pressure. i can't believe we're still discussing details like this over a week later. this is the world we live in and this is the situation we have watched unfold starting to unfold in the twin cities. >> i think we were so moved by zoe, but it's something eddie glaude has been telling us for days and days, and frankly on our network years and years, in conversations that weave h've h around this sad ritual. i asked michael steel if there isn't a little bit of us not believing what's before our eyes. i understand it's a complicated process. even a police officer who holds his knee on a neck has a right to due process. what we saw in our own eyetion was the callousness while george floyd took his last breath on earth. there are questions that have been raised that we have to realize what zoe is asking us to realize, to go farther than just doing right in this one case. we have to go back to being able to trust what we see with our own eyes and what we saw with our own eyes makes these charges today inevitable. >> as i said, i wrote down quotes as she was speaking. it's not nothing until everything changes. we're scared, but we're standing up. >> we're standing up. i think something else that we've all been sensitized to -- listen, i love what shaq brewster reported, it was going to be a protest against racism that taught the country and the world how to come back after a pandemic. yes, you go out and you stand up for what you believe in, you wear your mask, use your hand sanitizer and socially distance. this is also playing out against a
where leaders test america's biggest city in us troops on high alert in the nation's capital is protesters swarm the white house. >> griff jenkins there as live team coverage continues. rob schmidt monitoring the latest of elements and cities across the country. we start with brian live in new york city, a much different scenario overnight. when i came into new york they checked ides that the total. >> reporter: a much different scenario tonight that it was the last two nights the we saw mass looting. 8:00 pm curfew, not an 11:00 curfew ms. it difference. you can see the way you see the streets now the cop car behind me is blocking the entrance into so. it was not like that the last couple nights. it is not only that, they also blocked the heckler traffic coming into manhattan anywhere above 90 sixth street and we saw tons of looters the last couple days just loading up vehicles, many from out of state, with stolen goods. it seems that the measures have been working and strict enforcement of the curfew but today there was just a lot of peaceful protests, thousands marching in the streets chanting george floyd's name talking about racial injustice in america which is something they are finally able to get their message out. there been were not distracted by the looting -- there was one incident tonight that was particularly big. on the manhattan bridge between brooklyn and manhattan there were thousands, about 2000 protesters who were trapped on the bridge. it was a bit of a standoff but protesters de-escalating the situation, there were some arrests that the nypd brought in 500 police officers on the manhattan side of the protesters turned around. it was way past curfew. this is a far different scene than we saw with mobs of looting over the last two nights a lot of conversation who was to blame. governor andrew cuomo said they needed to do more and this is what he said. >> the police in new york city would not -- were not effective in doing their job last night period. look at the videos. it was a disgrace. i believe the mayor underestimates the scope of the problem. >> reporter: low love lost between the mayor and the governor. 500 people arrested for looting over the last few days and under new york's bail reform laws most if not all will be released. >> new york city police appear to have much more control on the streets with the city under curfew after days of violence and lawlessness. >> what is like on the ground for officers patrolling the city. the founder of blue lives matter nyc has been protecting the city all night long, he joins us live by phone. good to talk to you this morning. we were just hearing from brian, a reporter out there. it is a much different scene. i experienced it this morning going through the lincoln tunnel having my id checked and seeing the closures across the city, curfew, closures to pick the traffic, how long do you think something like this can be sustained. it is proving that it is working. >> since day one officers around the city and across the nation are doing the best they can especially new york city. i can't speak on behalf of the nypd but they by far are the best police in the world. i may be a little biased but seeing the storefronts, i've gone to baltimore orioles games, sometimes you feel you're in a third world country with patched up storefronts, you have the same feeling in new york city especially down this industry, very special to me because back in the day my grandfather owned a building there. my father and his siblings, the storefronts were completely destroyed. it is really hurtful, governor cuomo a lot of politicians going back and forth saying things that they don't know what they are talking about, day one the police department has been going nonstop. to see the police chiefs out there with their police officers running through the streets putting handcuffs on people, took a get the police commissioner by saying that, that's one of the most highest iq police chiefs or commissioners in the world, and to start talking like that and sing the police department wasn't enough that is not true. last night, it is like occupy wall street, very very calculated. where they going, what are they doing, when they get arrested they have their own lawyers waiting for them, rides to get the mom, this is for the by some organization that wants to do harm and take it to get these offices, nonstop, it's not right. >> donald trump weighing in as well. he tweets quote new york's finest are not being allowed to perform their magic, with a moment of the radical left and others have been allowed to build they will need additional help. new york city is totally out of control, new york city mayor and governor cuomo must put down in writing, before last night seemed to write itself a little bit but do you agree with the president? >> absolutely, he's been a huge supporter and not just new york city but everywhere. if you have no divorce and emergency service units and canine dogs use them, don't hold them back in materials, pepper spray, use that these protesters are dangerous, they are vicious, they don't care if they hurt somebody. a lot of them are very young, late teens and early 20s, not adults, many don't even live in the city but allow your police officers to go out there and do their job. it is an absolute tragedy what happened to mister floyd but that was one of the out of 800,000 for individuals to want to wage war against the united states uses anti-american as possible. the officers put their lives on the line. there been many officers that died in the line of duty throughout the decades and in 2014 with the right and ferguson it left -- because politicians like the ones we are seeing go out there, spew hate and nonsense and downplay the situation. a lot of people are a little loose will feed into it and hurt somebody. we don't need anymore officers killed in the line of duty. >> a couple seconds because we are out of time. i'm sure it turns your stomach when you see the videos of the officers being hurt. the officer we're watching on our screen was hit by a car in the middle of an intersection. >> many officers getting hurt out there and what upsets me is the media is only showing you certain things, the officer shouldn't taken his cannot but it doesn't show when someone hurled a breakfast speed. you've got to be careful of the media with what they say and how they show it. officers are putting their lives on the line and sacrifice their own well-being for others to right the ship out there. >> thank you for joining us, we appreciate it. >> 250 protesters reportedly arrested in los angeles overnight. >> jeff paul is live in hollywood where the national guard is on patrol. >> reporter: a much quieter night compared to a few nights ago when you had multiple fires and a lot of chaos in the greater los angeles area and tonight it is much quieter and a big part of the reason is people like the one standing behind us, the national guard is out helping out not only the lapd but la county sheriff's department and what we have seen is a lot of arrests, probably 100 people arrested for curfew violations or being under suspicion of leading. early in the day there were some peaceful protests including one involving mayor eric garcetti who took a knee with protesters and some of those protesters went to mayor eric garcetti's house to protest outside that building because they wanted to be attention to disproportionate funding to other resources beyond just the lapd. mayor garcetti also addressing the community today, listen to what he had to say. >> i know what it is like to see on those lines, to have police officers who have maintained their resolve and restraint so those tactics will sometimes be out there but it is my direction to memorize those and if we can to not use those at all. >> reporter: curfew in effect at 6:00 pm and seems like a lot of those protesters listened and went home. back to you. >> tensions ramping up in dc, the pentagon moving 1600 troops near the district as protesters ignored curfew and swarmed the white house. >> more on the crackdown in our nation's capital. good morning. >> we were headed for an almost entirely quiet night in the nation's capital, peaceful protesters turning out despite the curfew until just after midnight agitators attempted to tear down that 8 foot fence in lafayette park near the white house, the use of pepper spray, unclear how many arrests were made but nothing in range of the previous night, military helicopters last night under investigation at the direction of the national guard commander. earlier in the day senator elizabeth warren joining protesters here calling for the affirmative defense and sector general to investigate the president's photo op at st. john's church, which presented democratic nominee joe biden will attend the funeral, the handling of the nationwide chaos. >> the president of the united states must be part of the solution, not the problem. this president today is part of the problem. >> i won't traffic in fear and division, fan the flames of hate. >> then there is this, the pentagon announcing they've moved 1600 active-duty troops to military bases in the nation's capital region, they are on heightened alert but not in washington dc or participating in civilian authority unless they are called to do so. jillian: bill diblasio the npd slams about looting in new york city. >> the nypd and the mayor did not do their job. do what you have done in the past, you know how you stopped living in the past, do that again. >> who is to blame? jack brewer says the governor is a hypocrite, he joins us live. want to brain better? unlike ordinary memory supplements neuriva has clinically proven ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. memory, focus, accuracy, learning, and concentration. try neuriva for 30 days and see the difference. .. >> i offered the national guard, the mayor said he could understand it with the nypd. the nypd and the mayor did not do their job last night. >> andrew, calling out mayor bill diblasio and the officers on the streets for failing to maintain order in growing chaos. >> the nation's largest police force enforcing.:00 a few last night, it was a mostly call night after days of looting and ransacking. it to weigh in his jack brewer, good to see you, thanks for being here. words we place blame for this when talking about leadership? >> blame is not a good word to use. you can see we have a lot of leaders around our country who haven't been led by the spirit of god and the reason i say that is policies people have been putting in place for decades now are adding fuel to the fire we are seeing before own eyes, you have politicians talking out of both sides of their mouth. said to see what's going on in new york. the president came out and offered support federally, politicians wanted to play politics and it is not their time. you don't have to agree with everything the president says that the governor say that this is a time for these leaders, they have an obligation to the people to work together but to sit back and make decisions after 3 or 4 days of diversity being burned up for the is just not right but you can't play monday morning quarterback after leaders coming up to step up and make quick fast decisions in times of crisis like this. heather: your governor cuomo's out by. the response from mayor bill diblasio is, quote, these comments are offensive to the men and women of the nypd who are out there every night trying to keep new yorkers safe. it would be nice if our officers knew they had the respect of their governor but this is a battle that has been going on between these two guys, whether it is police or something else for years now. why can't they put their differences aside when the city and state needed so much right now? >> it comes down to humility. you got to drop your ego at the door, be humble. we need humble. we need more spiritual leaders to step up and help to try to guide these political leaders because humility is something being lost right now. their egos run this, they're worried about politics, worrying about the ratings, worrying about what they can raise money off of for political campaigns. all those things don't matter at this point. what matters is protecting people, morning the life of george floyd and helping the nation heal. these leaders just are not doing that in some of the major cities across america. >> you have about that people can read but says here's what this generation of progressive leaders is lacking. final word before we go. >> we have to pray for our leaders, the bible teaches us that. sometimes when you take on these enemies in spirit you can't do it in the flesh or pointing fingers at each other. what they need to do is sit back and look at real solutions that can get to the soul of people because right now we have folks out in the streets many, majority are peacefully protesting but there are a few wreaking havoc, bringing evil upon our police officers and other businesses and communities and we have to do something to stop it. not just mourning the death of george floyd, he was a peaceful man. >> everyone says he was a gentle giant. thank you for joining us, we appreciate it. it is 20 minutes after the hour, smashed glass, destroyed stores like lives lost across the country at the hands of violent leaders, the economic losses unimaginable. todd: this could be the knockout punch to small businesses already hurt by the pandemic. joins us next. as the covid-19 pandemic sweeps the world we urgently need your help. who are so precious to god, have no access to food, medicine; or to keep themselves safe from the virus. and right now, we must take extraordinary measures during these extraordinary times to fulfill what it says in god's holy scriptures, comfort ye, comfort ye my people. your $25 will help rush an emergency food box filled with life-saving food and germ fighting supplies to an elderly person in israel. this is shoshana. she's a 97 year old widow who lives in jerusalem. she tells us about the day joseph mengele sent her parents and grandparents to the gas chambers. her pain is evident even today. we can't change the past but we can do something now. our teams are on the ground delivering emergency aid and food boxes to elderly jews across israel. your gift of only $25 helps provide a box filled with with life-saving food and sanitizing supplies like wipes gloves and soap. each box is delivered to the door-step of an elderly jew fighting to stay alive. during this pandemic our god is bigger than any crisis. when god says, "to share our food with the hungry", that's forever, and it's more relevant than ever before. go online or call right now. you can be a miracle for an elderly jew today. i geh. common bird.e. ooh look! over here! something much better. there it is. peacock, included with xfinity x1. remarkable. fascinating. -very. it streams tons of your favorite shows and movies, plus the latest in sports news and... huh - run! the newest streaming app has landed on xfinity x1. now that's... simple. easy. awesome. xfinity x1 just got even better with peacock premium included at no additional cost. no strings attached. just say "peacock" into your voice remote to start watching today. todd: stocks hitting a 3 month high as investors look past civil unrest spreading across the country. jillian: on main street many businesses being targeted and looted. with the economic impact of the writing? peter morici joins us live, good to see you this morning. it is devastating when you look at the businesses that have been looted and ransacked the last couple days and you realize in a lot of cases these are businesses closed because of coronavirus and business owners just starting to reopen. what is the fallout here? >> a lot of businesses were not going to reopen the closed permanently and this will add to their number for two reasons, when his many businesses can't afford more than liability insurance, they don't have substantial insurance for this kind of writing it looting and so forth so they are going to take losses. on top of that coming off of a 2-month shutdown whatever financial reserves they had are long gone so they are broke, you 1630, 40,$000 worth of damage, you can't fix it, take down your sign, help a landlord get through. >> i'm confused by the markets yesterday and this week because markets and investors love certainty. riot in the streets of your biggest city is not certainty, that combined with the fact that small businesses are in big trouble. why we see what we are seeing in the markets? >> markets are looking past this because we have had this before and in the end civil authorities managed to gain control as they did in new york city last night and so while this is disturbing i think the source of uncertainty is what it means for the november elections. we haven't had a lot of responsible utterances from either side, nor have we from ceos. as a consequence you would think that would have markets to have interpretation but in reality folks expect the economy to recover perhaps not fully by the end of the year but most fortune 500 companies, most s&p 500 companies will be doing well in 2021 and the market values we see reflect. what we expect profits to be come january. jillian: looking at the list of major chains announcing store closures due to riots that include walmart, target, cvs, apple, these locations all across the country, some of the stores, target and walmart, stores that people have been relying on for months of coronavirus so you lose them whether it is temporary for a few days whatever the case may be it seems everything is devastated right now. >> one of the things to remember is a lot of these downtowns were on the edge anyway, businesses are terribly overtaxed, overregulated and now we see unprotected by their mayor. is getting to the point in manhattan where it is questionable whether a lot of operations should continue. chains have been taking down their science and before these riots. brooks brothers took down its sign in georgetown, very fashionable district with lots of clothing stores. one wonders why. across the river in the old town section, a comparable section close to the white house in virginia, walgreens took down your sign before these riots happened. companies may be using this as cover for decisions they were going to announce anyway. >> in the 15 seconds we have remaining is always looting covered by insurance if they even have insurance? >> small businesses generally have liability insurance required by their lease. as for this kind of looting, insurance for this, that is an additional cost and if they haven't it is usually with a deductible, usually not adequate. that's why this is so menacing to be small businesses decimated already by two month of lockdown, they have no extra cash, they are in more debt than they were before so they can't afford to stay open. jillian: thank you very much. thank you for joining us, appreciate it. 28 after the hour, financial hit from looting is one roadblock for our next guest. >> clothing store set to reopen today after pandemic restrictions used. forcing the state to stay close even longer. his message, he joins us live. >> tensions running high across america's protests rage on for in a straight day following the death george floyd. peaceful them and street is deterring violence and looting is police crackdown on curfews nationwide. 38 states and washington dc activating 20,000 national guard members. >> in new york, thousands of protesters defied the 8:00 pm curfew overnight. >> good morning. we are standing in the northeast check point. what you can see behind me is nypd officer stopping every vehicle that comes through and asking the driver what is your purpose being here? what is your intention? are you any essential worker? do you live here? only those essential workers are allowed to come into manhattan. overall it appears to be working because this was a much more peaceful night and we had seen in the last two nights. let me show you video of what happened earlier in the night, thousands of people continue demonstrating yesterday, some protesters continued and defied new york city's 8:00 pm curfew and some of them were arrested. at one point protesters were stopped on the manhattan bridge, blocked on both sides for over an hour, some protesters calling for bill diblasio to resign. looting did continue although on a much smaller scale. and parts of manhattan even after the mayor cordoned off lower manhattan and cut off all traffic. governor cuomo has been calling out bill diblasio for not using more police as the mayor continues to hold off on calling in the national guard. >> i believe the mayor underestimates the scope of the problem. >> we do not need nor do we think it is wise for the national guard to be in new york city. nor any armed force. if you bring outside armed forces into the equation that they are not trained for, that is a dangerous scenario. >> reporter: more protests are scheduled for later this afternoon but so is the curfew, going into effect at 8:00 tonight and it goes until sunday. shannon: appears to be working, thank you. "cavuto" overnight violence in portland and boston where protesters clashed with police after days of unrest. jillian: florida has seen 24 hours of peace after calling in the national guard. >> officers tried to keep demonstrations from getting out of control. >> reporter: good news to report, a much quieter night across the country as lot and order remains control. still some flash points of violence, the first in boston, you see a mess. rioters putting explosives toward police, look like fireworks, causing explosions. portland, oregon in the last couple hours officers used teargas would have the ground grew larger many writers throwing projectiles at police, but at this point that is the worst we have seen, the protest started off peaceful in portland, we've seen in many cities the situation eventually devolved in oregon. to philadelphia an interesting story, a statute from the 1970s, frank rizzo has been removed by the city viewed by many as a racist leader and his statue was defaced earlier this weekend over the weekend, the city cleaned the statue initially but then decided let's get rid of this thing and removed it. a great success story and a lot of cities overnight, peaceful protests on a successful night in atlanta. the same goes for dallas, mostly quiet and subdued. florida called up the national guard which was effective in keeping the peace in that state. broward county, the president marking the tragic death in a said story retired st. louis police officer david boren on instagram writing our highest respect to the family of david boring, great police captain in st. louis who was shot and killed by despicable looters. we honor our police officers now more than ever. 77-year-old david dorn was guarding lee's upon angela, a friend owned that shop and he was guarding it from a mob of violent writers and was shot and killed to death, streamed on facebook live, a terrible story, four current police officers were shot in st. louis, a very awful night monday night into tuesday morning. at this point there have been no arrests. jillian: that video is heartbreaking. a chicago clothing store set to reopen as the windy city lifts more pandemic restrictions. todd: the storeowner keeping doors close even longer due to looting. the ceo joins us live with more. thanks for joining us, as a small business owner what is your reaction when after your business is jeopardized by the pandemic you see what is going on, looting and destruction in something you built your whole life. >> thanks for having me. it has been surreal. saturday evening got a call from the building that we had looters in the building and my family here, we feel helpless and traumatized having people in your location you put your heart and life into. jillian: we had a conversation with an economist talking about looting insurance. did your store have that? what is your plan financially to be able to get your business up and running? >> my first step was to get things cleaned up and have my employees in their. you start to do that sunday morning but i'm still trying to figure out it is going to be a challenge but so far they have been responsive. it is very early in those stages. todd: if there's any positive to come out of this, crazy that we have to say those words, your team came together. describe what you are talking about. >> it has been a challenging last few months, and be forced to shut down. the only positive aspect as we got closer together as a team, we've been able to gel. it was amazing on sunday morning different lives of my team slowly start to come in from my manager to a couple other guys, it was awesome to have them together. businesses that is much as i love walgreens and starbucks i didn't see any of those employees out there and it is because they came out from the and small business and because we feel we are part of something bigger, we have to fight on our own and it is just another step forward for us to make sure we continue our legacy, our 50 ninth year in business i told the team i will be damned if we are not going to make it to 60 years. jillian: what has been the range of emotion over the last three months in dealing with coronavirus, learning you have to close, trying to figure out how to pay your employees and keep your business afloat, getting to the point you can reopen in now this, what has been going on in your brain? >> reporter: i've had every spectrum of emotion you can imagine. my wife was driving through the scene saturday evening when i got the call from the security guard, it was a dangerous precarious situation and as she came home all i felt was relieved and i felt some perspective on sunday morning that there is damage, mostly insurance covers it but we moved forward as a business but at the end of the day we are all safe. my team is safe, my family is safe so it gave me perspective on things on sunday morning, that'll range of emotion has been exhausted over the last two month so now i'm almost a little bit numb, just want everybody to be safe and together and be there for each other. jillian: thank you for joining us and we wish you the best with your business. >> time, 41 after the hour, twitter censored the president's call to restore law and order, others are posting without interference. >> twitter is on the side of lawlessness, joining us live with that message. usaa was made for right now. and right now, is a time for action. so, for a second time we're giving members a credit on their auto insurance. because it's the right thing to do. we're also giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can take care of things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. right now is the time to take care of what matters most. like we've done together, so many times before. discover all the ways we're helping members at usaa.com/coronavirus the suspect in the shooting of a las vegas police officer scheduled to appear in court today, facing several charges including attempted murder of a police officer, he opened fire on officers at the protest, the officer was struck in the head and is on life support in critical condition. he served in las vegas police department since 2016. >> six police officers charged after video was released showing them tasting two college students in atlanta, the body camera footage shows the officers pulling students out of the car when stuck in traffic. to the officers were fired for using excessive force. others on administrative leave. the officers on assault and battery charges expect to turn themselves in by friday. todd: is twitter adding fuel to the fire? the social media giant fact checked the president, so tweets from democrats contained misinformation go untouched. jillian: is twitter on the side of the riders, joining us to explain is madison, thanks for joining us. what a time for twitter to start fact checking, there is so much going on on social media i don't see how they can keep up. >> discouraging to see what twitter has done and what comes down to is the fact that twitter is exploiting a pack form to influence american politics. it is a major issue. we see when they are censoring the president sang his tweet could incite violence or something of that sort believing up videos of people being murdered and leaving videos tweets of people encouraging violence throughout these riots, simply unacceptable. >> critics would say twitter is a private company with first amendment protection, they can do whatever they want brutality respond to those critics? >> back to what i said. it is a clear example of them trying to unfairly influence american politics, the presence of important things we should be considered a publisher in several platform. it will be interesting to follow how that plays out over the coming months and to comes back to what the president's message was talking about the lawlessness and what we are seeing across the country and the fact that these criminals that are looting and are killing people and doing these horrible things have to be held responsible for the destruction of american cities. i talk to people all the time, i don't care what race or religion or where you are from but we were all outraged when we saw the video of the murder of george floyd but i want people to keep that same energy when we see more videos of murders of people like retired police captain david dorn. the great american to have lost their lives of the message is getting lost, the rights of looting and violence because there's a message we need to talk about when it comes to racism and when it comes to changes that need to be made in this country and the peaceful protesters have been overshadowed by the violence in the criminals. >> a portion of that video of david dorn, that was the first thing i saw when i opened twitter this morning and it makes your heart sink. is what twitter has to say, we are not attempting to address all misinformation. we prioritize based on highest potential for harm, focusing on manipulated media, likelihood, severity and type of potential harm along with reach and scale factor into this. what do you make of that statement. >> it is foolish. it's not what they are doing. when they talk about prioritizing i would think you would prioritize videos of murder as being harmful over a tweet that is put out by the president of the united states, the reality is the president of the united states circumvented the mainstream media for many years the rather undercover to many networks like cnn and msnbc by using twitter, by using social media to speak directly to the people and reach out with a message and i think people realize that and people who have agendas are recognizing that and finding ways wherever possible to put a stop to the president's direct contact with people. most people are going to see that tweet. it is inevitable. >> thank you for joining us, appreciate your insight. >> thanks. meantime the mother of george floyd's 6-year-old daughter breaking her silence. >> i'm here for my baby. i want justice for him. >> live in minneapolis, the emotional plea and new probe into the city's police department. you clean dishes as you cook, to save time and stay ahead of the mess. but scrubbing still takes time. now there's new dawn powerwash dish spray. the faster, easier way to clean as you go. it cleans grease five times faster. on easy messes, just spray, wipe, and rinse. on tough messes, the spray-activated suds cut through grease on contact, without water. just wipe, and rinse. get dishes done faster. new dawn powerwash dish spray. spray. wipe. rinse. >> minnesota logica bill of rights probe into the minneapolis police department after the death of george floyd. >> the mother of floyd's brother speaks out for the first time. >> right now armed national guard soldiers are defending this small grocery store because it is one of the few in this region that is not been looted, the national guard is protecting this minority owned store so neighbors can safely get access to food in minneapolis. inslee secretary grocery stores of been ransacked or are boarded up to prevent violent leaders which is created food deserts in here in minnesota the governor now says the department of human rights is filing a charge to launch a civil rights investigation into the minneapolis police department to review the department's practices and procedures over the past ten years to determine if there's any discriminatory practices towards people of color. and also in minnesota george floyd's 6-year-old daughter standing next to her mother at a press conference the girl's george floyd was a good man and his daughter's proof. >> he does not have a father. he will never see her grow up, graduate, she 100 walked down the aisle. >> a private memorial service will be held in minneapolis tomorrow. rivendell certain will deliver the eulogy, a public memorial was scheduled for next week in houston, texas. back to you guys. >> thank you. coming up in the next hour of "fox and friends first" one of new york city's top cops blasting the governor for criticizing his offices. >> get out on the streets, take a look, cops are bleeding. >> the nypd working day and night. we are live with the battle over strategy on "fox and friends first". when we started our business we were paying an arm and a leg for postage. i remember setting up shipstation. one or two clicks and everything was up and running. i was printing out labels and saving money. shipstation saves us so much time. it makes it really easy and seamless. pick an order, print everything you need, slap the label onto the box, and it's ready to go. our costs for shipping were cut in half. just like that. shipstation. the #1 choice of online sellers. go to shipstation.com/tv and get 2 months free. >> we begin with the fox news alert on "fox and friends first," tension still high across the country as protest continues for an eighth straight day over the death of george floyd, dozens of arrests in los angeles. >> most demonstrations peaceful with protesters turning violent and looting as police crackdown on curfews nationwide, 28 states and washington dc activating 20,000 national guard members but not in new york where leaders spar over how to protect america's biggest cities, troops on high alert in the nation's s protesters swarm the white house. heather: coverage continues, jeff paul on the ground in the los angeles area, todd pyro has the latest in cities across the country. >> aishah hasnie is live in new york city. looks like we don't have that shot but we will go to the west coast to try to get her back, 250 protesters arrested in los angeles overnight. todd: the national guard is on patrol, seems like it is effective there. >> i've ever seen
once in a generation civil unrest. there are protests all around this country. let's go right back to washington, d.c., right in front of the white house. just a couple of hundred yards away. where we find msnbc's garrett haake. garrett, it is 11:00 p.m. the curfew is officially in effect. are those protesters going anywhere? >> reporter: they don't look like they're moving anywhere, katy. at 11:00, the lights in the white house went out. the curfew officially went into effect. park police have pushed us back out of lafayette park. back up 16th street. i'm keeping my head on a swivel here to see if they continue to push us back further. you're hearing flash bangs in the distance. i suspect that's the enforcement of the curfew by metropolitan police on other streets. i'm trying to keep an eye down the block behind me. d.c. fire is attending to the structure fire behind us that became an issue within the last hour or so. at the moment where i stand right now, ironically, katy, this is about the most peaceful i've seen this piece of real estate in the last 48 hours. the remaining demonstrators here have been kneeling with their hands up. they've been trying to make a point any way that they can to police. peacefully, if possible. through other means, at times. trying to make a point that the violence that they have seen perpetrated against primarily black men in this country have to stop. the question remains, d.c. is not usually a curfew town. we do a lo the of protests in town. a curfew is rare. seeing how things are going to go in the next 20, 30 minutes or so as enforcement of that begins is going to be touch and go, katy. that's what we're going be watching for here. >> garrett, i watched you all last night through the drama that you faced yesterday. i've been watching you today. what can you tell me about who these protesters are? are they people from washington, d.c.? are they coming from out of town? how many of them are agitating? how many of them are there to peacefully protest? >> reporter: it's a mix like anywhere else. today i talked to students from howard university, the historically black college just up georgia avenue who organized a march down here today to want to be politically active and outspoken about this. i talked to a mom from virginia who drove up about an hour with her kids because she wanted them to see it. there are absolutely also people who came here to cause trouble. i saw a group watching earlier, five guys deep, all in black, all with metal baseball bats. softball practice isn't happening tonight in d.c. those are not tools for free expression. so it is a mix, but overwhelmingly, both yesterday and today although the pictures of what happens after dark are more dramatic, what happened during the daylight hours was a whole lot of people who wanted to come and express a very justifiable anger. there's nothing wrong or illegal or against the rules about being angry at the cops. and that's what we saw primarily all day yesterday, all day today, and like my parents used to say, not much good happens after midnight. that's about when things got really bad last night. it may happen a little bit earlier tonight. >> garrett, you are just a couple hundred yards away from the white house. what do we know about the president's whereabouts right now? >> reporter: well, with apologies for not being in a position to have checked my phone recently, i can tell you that he has been home all day. that the white house called an early lid, meaning we knew he was not going to travel. i know that he's been tweeting. we know that as recently as friday night, the first of the protests in lafayette park, he was moved to a secure bunker underneath the white house. but he has been in that building and, katy, i can tell you from where i'm standing when the lights are behind me, you can look all the way down across the park into the residence. this protest is loud enough for anyone who lives or works in the white house to hear it and certainly with the addition of the fires late tonight large enough for anyone who lives or works in the white house to have seen it. the president's tweet in recent minutes about fake news, i don't know what news he's watching, but this is very real. and it's very much right outside his residence. >> garrett, what does it feel like there tonight in comparison to last night? >> oddly, we're going to walk backwards here a little bit, katy, juf because we're going to try to make distance between ourselves, police and protesters. we don't want to be caught in between the two of them. oddly, tonight feels calmer than last night despite the fires, despite the images that you're seeing. all right. so the cops are moving behind me. we're going to try to keep the same distance here as we go as safely as possible. last night was one big protest. it came clear i think to some elements within the protest that they were not going to. be able to get closer to the white house to lafayette park that they wanted, they splitted off to the surrounding streets, started setting cars on fire, smashing windows. i haven't had an nuopportunity get much out of there. this has been a centralized protest this evening. at least in my experience, it's seemed more focused. again, as streets start to clear and police start moving people out, that's a different story. look to my right. this is the headquarters of the afl-cio. the union here. these windows are completely smashed. you can see the sprinkler system is going off inside. this was not here four hours ago. this was not here three hours ago. so the destruction that plagued downtown d.c. last night is back here again tonight, at least in some small measure. i don't know if it's as widespread. last night we saw windows smashed as far up as georgetown, as far up as mt. vernon square for folks who are familiar with d.c. you know, 15 to 20 blocks away from the white house. again, tonight things have seemed more localized. but i'm limited by my own perspective here which is having kept at least one eye on the white house all night. as we progress here up 16th street, i want to just show you what we're seeing here. mpd, metropolitan police department of d.c., the main cops here in d.c., are coming in from the east and they've essentially tried to close off the south toward the white house. the east toward capitol hill. you can see fire burning in the distance. i think that's probably another burning car or suv. we saw some of that last night. they're going to force everybody west. they're going to force, egress into west, and northwest in the city. my god -- so that's at least one car on fire and another flipped over here. on "i" street and 16th in downtown central business district of washington, d.c. and those are fireworks being -- >> so startling to see. >> reporter: -- being used by the protesters. we're going to -- katy, forgive me, we're going to make some moves just so went don't -- ah, [ bleep ], we're going to end up in a place here if we're not careful. >> garrett, move out of there as quickly as you can. garrett, stop talking. move out of there. get safe. we're going to check back in to make sure he is okay. it sounds like he might have been hit with something there. oh, wait, he's -- he's still with us. garrett, are you okay? >> reporter: yeah. i'm here. i got hit in the side with either -- i don't think it was a -- rubber bullet or something, i don't want to be overly dramatic about it. i know what it was. in effect, to get -- [ inaudible ] which is what police now -- we've been under curfew for eight minutes. >> garrett, garrett, as -- you're cutting out. as your friend and as brian said a moment ago, as somebody who knows your parents as well, i want you to get to a safe place. get out of there. there are people running toward you. we'll come out of you once you find some cover. god forbid you get hit with something again. garrett haake. we're going to keep watching your shot. it is just startling to see. and it -- it takes the words right out of your mouth. startling to see what is happening across the country, but especially what is happening in washington, d.c.. again, garrett is just a few hundred yards away from the white house. there's a fire burning in lafayette square. maybe 200, 300 yards, just in the park outside of the white house gates. a couple blocks away, there's a car on fire. there's another car that is overturned. the headquarters for the afl-cio is -- the windows are smashed. the walls are tagged. the sprinklers are going off in the lobby. and there's a fire inside there. as garrett said, we only have the ability to see in a very limited way what is happening in the city where garrett is right now, and the couple other places where we have our cameras and we have our aerial shot so it's unclear what else might be happening across this city. what you're seeing on the right-hand side of your screen, that looks to be people who have been arrested there in washington, d.c., with zip ties used as handcuffs. there are peaceful protesters. there have been peaceful protesters in washington, d.c., all day long. there are images out there of very young people hopping the gates into lafayette park to try and kneel in front of cops. they have been largely peaceful throughout the day, but if you've been watching msnbc for the past couple hours, as the day has turned into night, the bad elements have come out. a fire was set to some sort of utility building. a small building in the park outside of the white house. you're seeing on your screen right now cops gathered. they are ready and they're trying to keep things as calm as they possibly can. but this nation is angry. it is hurting. and there are people in these crowds who are exploiting that. there are people in these crowds who are setting fire to things. there are people in these crowds who are trying to get into confrontations with the police, who are trying to make things worse, as there are also peaceful protesters who are trying to demand that police brutality end, that innocent -- or that unarmed black men are not targeted by the cops. are not killed by the hands of police officers across this country. we're going to keep an eye on washington, d.c. we're going to check back in with garrett as soon as we make sure that he is okay. let's head now to minneapolis. this is where it all started, where george floyd died under the knee of a police officer just last monday. look at this image right here. this is a semitruck driving directly into a crowd as protesters were trying to cross this bridge. it does not appear, though, as anyone -- that anyone was hurt from this. thank god for that. the driver of this truck is currently in police custody and just the image of that red truck, that tanker, will make some people think of the l.a. riots in 1992 and reginald denny. this is not the same scenario at all. let's go now to nbc's morgan che cheski live from minneapolis. what is it like right now and can you tell us what happened on that bridge? >> reporter: katy, i absolutely can. the first thing, what a stark contrast from last night to tonight where around this time we were seeing hundreds of law enforcement officers make their way through the city clearing out areas where thousands had gathered earlier in the day and tonight an almost eerily quiet evening here, katy, after a series of arrests that happened within the past several hours. we know 150 people were taken into custody not too far from where i'm standing, in fact, you'll see a line of police and national guard humvees. about 50 yards down this street. we know there was a gas station a short disstoons ttance on the side of that barricade of vehicles where police and law enforcement officers were able to round up that many protesters and take them into custody. and that is one of the more aggressive actions we've seen since this footprint from law enforcement really tripled yesterday, katy. now, as for that incident that happened earlier on the bridge today, we arrived on that scene within just a few minutes after it happened to see people running away, fearing the worst. when the truck drove into the crowd, katy, a lot of people thought it was protesters in its path that couldn't get out of the way. fortunately, we know no protesters were injured. after speaking with officials we heard that when that truck drove into that crowd, the crowd then swarmed, when it came to a stop, actually pulled the driver outside of the truck. held him on the scene until police could arrive. we do know the driver was taken to a nearby hospital but with non-life-threatening injuries and is, as you mentioned, in custody facing charges. in the meantime, that crowd that was several thousand large has since dissipated throughout the city. we've been hearing reports of smaller groups. 100, maybe 200 in certain areas. we know law enforcement at this point not hesitating to use tear gas, mace, to clear out those crowds. and get them from congregating in these areas especially since that curfew was put into effect at 8:00 central standard time. we know this is the third night with the curfew in place. the first we did not see any enforcement. last night is when we saw the state police roll out in that riot gear near the 5th precinct where we were reporting from and basically take very aggressive measures to move this large group out. i think that contrast in how this is being enforced is why we're not seeing a lot of people out tonight. we did drive down this area. a lot of people were sitting out in front of their homes anticipating, seeing the protests come their way. here in minneapolis, one of the things i've noticed is a lot of people put out bottles of water, gallons of milk, on their front steps, to help anyone who may need it as they make their march through the city. today when we made our way down, all that was unused. i thought there might have been anticipation of a larger protest tonight. that's certainly not something we're seeing at this point in time. however, as garrett mentioned earlier, katy, nothing goods happens after midnight. that's been when we've really seen the most destructive people make their way through this city. we're going to keep a close eye on things in minneapolis. when you consider the damage that's already been done to block by block, dozens if not hundreds of businesses damaged to point where they can't continue to operate, burned or gutted completely. the road to recovery here is going to be significant and it's going to have to parallel a fight for justice that a lot of people feel is not yet met because every person i spoke to today at a peaceful protest at the state capitol said one police officer in custody is not four police officers who are involved in the death that took place monday that has become such a passionate cause for the people here. not just in minneapolis but all across the nation and so, k tat tonight minneapolis grappling with the fact that maybe the worst is over but also looking ahead to see how they can carry this momentum for justice forward and have momentum. katy? >> morgan chesky in a quiet and what a welcome sight that is, a quiet and it seems peaceful for the moment minneapolis. let's go back to garrett haake in washington, d.c. garrett, where are you and what's happening now? >> reporter: hey, katy. so we are being moved north and west by mpd who is taking their enforcement of the mayor's 11:00 p.m. curfew plenty seriously. as you saw if you were with us at the top of the hour. we're on "k" street right now. police have been mostly working people north away from the white house. i'm still hearing some of those explosions in the distance i'm associating now with cars on fire. at least that's what i've been able to match them up to. as i've seen, i can hear the police helicopter overhead. i can tell you where i am in the central business district of d.c., the city has seemed to clear out substantially. you know, there's no one behind me as i'm looking west. further toward virginia. back east, the police, again, mpd staged sort of on the eastern side of the city and cleared what remains of these protesters. just an ugly end to what was i think by and large a sort of a positive emotionally effective day of protests here that just completely went off the rails in the last hour and a half with the starting of those fires near lafayette park, confrontations escalating with police then police using pretty much everything in their arsenal to clear those intersections there. my crew and i each took some projectile contact, let's say, and were separated from each other briefly. that's why we lost audio there just because we weren't all in one place. we're back together now on streets of d.c. that are quieting down. at least where i am here in the central business district. >> garrett, let's hope it stays that way. clearly, they were going to get very serious about that 11:00 p.m. curfew. garrett, thank you. let's go now to the other side of the country to santa monica where we find nbc news correspondent gagadi schwartz. last time i saw you you were on the promenade and watching as people -- this is jo ling kent. we're going to get toefrover to schwartz. last time i saw you, queue weyon the 3rd street promenade. you were watching as people were looting foot action. cops had flooded in to arrest them. seems like you're still there. give us an update on what's happening now. >> reporter: yeah, so we saw that foot action being looted for about eight to ten minutes and saw the police finally coming, you probably saw it live on tv, so right now a lot of these people are being processed. you've got about 20 or so that are now wearing those handcuffs, those plastic handcuffs and sitting here waiting. officers are actually giving some of them water right now. they're pouring it in their mouth for them. which is kind of weird because everyone's wearing masks and so it's this awkward dance. some people have been cordial with the police officers. others have been somewhat hostile. things are simmering down on this street right now and they're waiting for transport. i'm going to walk you down this way. this was the foot action that they were looting. if we take a look on both sides, it's very different than what we were showing you earlier on 4th street which is a street just up the way. that was almost every single storefront that we saw had been broken into and cleared out. but here you got a lot of them that have been protected by police that were blocking p pedestrians from coming into the promenade for most of the day then just around about 40 minutes ago, an hour ago, all it took was somebody coming in here with some sort of hammer or possibly a rock or something, smashing this window, then suddenly there were hundreds of people that were running inside, they were grabbing everything they could. just watch your step here. you can see the destruction that they did. we saw it live. it all happened within about five to eight minutes. and then people just scattered. they ran that way and ran this way because this is where they were being dropped off by cars that were waiting there. some people even bringing plastic containers to throw the loot in and then get away. in fact, we got this plastic trash can and inside is just filled with nike air force ones that are the box. those are littered throughout this area. right now police have this blocked off so it's unclear what's going to happen to the men merchandise. i want to show you this right here is the 3rd street promenade. it goes all the way down. this is the only store that we've seen on the actual promenade that appears to have been lotted from our perspective. and this is where police are now concentrating so you've got some of them standing at ease. it goes all the way up to 4th street there and they're making sure that people aren't stopping on the promenade and going into many of these stores that are still filled with merchandise. however, for about two o three hours, katy, over on 4th street, there were no police around so we saw store after store after store looted live on television. all that was happening here on this side of santa monica while on that side of santa monica unbeknownst to the hundreds or thousands of protesters that showed up to demonstrate peacefully, the police had containment, were there to make sure, to facilitate is what they put it, that peaceful protest. then over here, you had skirmish after skirmish. police uncomfortable coming in clearing the streets because there were too many people. two different things going on. two very different groups of people. this was fealooting that we saw. doesn't seem to be a lot of crossover between what was happening here and the protests but those protests on the other side of santa monica were beautiful and peaceful to behold, so just a really difficult juxtaposition out here to wrap your mind around. katy? >> gadi schwartz on the 3rd street promenade in santa monica. gadi, thank you very much. let's head back now over to seattle just up north where we find jo ling kent. jo, you're walking on the streets there. have the protests stayed calm there? has there been any confrontations? >> reporter: katy, i want to tell you about a moment that i just witnessed which i did not expect to witness. we were back up at the edge of downtown in the capitol hill neighborhood. it was dozens of police in a line and hundreds of protesters, mostly peaceful, but it was getting tense and you had activists, perhaps the organizers of that particular group of people, coming up very close with the police and instead of having a tension, an escalation, there was a conversation. we witnessed a conversation between one of the women who, an activist, an organizer, then that paused for a minute then they came back to the police. they were able to negotiate through the police line and i saw two powerful handshakes happen between activists and police officer. and they were able to open the line and the police stepped aside. there was huge applause. this entire group of people were able to proceed back downtown here in seattle where we are now in the heart of downtown. what was remarkable about that moment is today we've been following these protesters and ever since curfew hit, about 3 1/2 hours ago, it has been very spirited. but very peaceful. and the activists who are up front, who are now way past us now, their entire motivation here is to keep it peaceful, to get their message out there. that is exactly what we're experiencing here in seattle at least for the moment but it's still day liglight. katy, as you know, once night falls, things can change quickly. send it back to you. >> it's 8:24 over there in seattle. still daylight, indeed. jo ling kent, thank crew veyou much. let's go to the mayor of that city, seattle, mayor durkin. madam mayor, thanks for joining us. i guess, what's it like there, and what are you expecting for tonight? >> you know, i will say that it's been a very challenging day for seattle as a city, but that's true across our country. and one thing i picked up even from all your reports that i think is really important to remember is we cannot lose track of the central message that we should all be focused on. and that is the death of mr. floyd once again showed the deep betrayal of our systems for people of color, and particularly for african-americans. we have to honor his sacrifice. we must make sure that the people who are protesting peacefully, sometimes in anger, showing their trauma, their furor over what's happened over generations in america, does not get co-opted by people who use that just to further violence and conflict because so many of the reports are focused on the car fires and the looting and the conflict. really what we should be focused on as a nation, how do we get bet e hte better, low do how do we improv lives of every american, particularly black americans? from the time of slavery on, we've not grappled with the systemic racism and injustice in their lives, whether it's education or health care. or the outcomes you can expect from covid. whether it's opportunity in their day-to-day lives or how they're treated by police. and we and not lose sight of that message. that's one reason why i condemn the violence by the other people who were not, were not, part of the protests. we had thousands of people protesting in seattle last night. peacefully. and they were there to speak of their anger and their anguish and their grief. to come together in communion. then we had thousands of others who came for the sole purpose to create conflict, to loot, to steal, to cause damage. we cannot have the second. that is not what we need in america. we need to focus on the true injustices and move to a country of greater justice. and i truly believe at the end of the day, at the end of the day -- sorry. go ahead. >> just, i want to stick with the root of this problem. and this is the death of george floyd. not just george floyd. death of multiple black men and black women at the hands of cops. over the most recent years, but for decades now. is this a problem? you're talking about systemic racism. and those points are well taken. when it comes to law enforcement, is it a problem in training or is it a problem in recruiting? >> i think it's all of the above. and remember, police are going to reflect their community in many ways. you need to, you know, i've been involved in police reform for years when i was at the department of justice, we instituted the consent decree for the seattle defense department which ten years later has changed its use of force. it is training. it is how they're held accountable. but it also goes to the root causes of injustice in our society and while we must, we must demand better from police, and we cannot allow for people to die at the hands of the police wrongfully, we also have to make sure that we are attacking injustice everywhere. that we truly make good on the promise of america for those people who were not considered full americans when our constitution was founded. and we must remember that, you know, i want every child who grows up in seattle to know they're going to have equal access to education. they're going to have equalling a saccess to job prosperity. their family will have health care and housing. we must focus on a nation on how we make sure our prosperity is shared and how we make good on the promise of america, to the generations of americans that have been left behind. that should not be lost. you know, for every car that burns, there have been families that suffered for generations and so i really deplore the people who came solely for the purpose of taunting police, creating conflict with police, looting stores and causing damage. that did nothing to honor mr. floyd. >> madam mayor, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate your time, and good luck in your city tonight. let's go over to atlanta, georgia. we find nbc's blayne alexander. the last time i saw you you were getting over coughing from pepper spray. the intersection behind you is empty, quiet. does that mean the city of atlanta is the same? >> reporter: you know what, that certainly seems to be an indicator. this is the best way to tell the story of what's going on in atlanta right now. to get the understanding of why exactly i was choking, coughing, me and my team were right in the direct path of that tear gas because, yes, this is really kind of command central for law enforcement, for national guard troops. this is where they've been holding the line. and just within the past few minutes or so, katy, we actually saw a lot of the troops line up, walk away, get in their transportation and leave. we've been checking with our crews on the ground and what we've seen typically over the past few nights is once that tear gas is kind of sprayed among the crowd, they scatter. they disperse among different places downtown. and then officials go off and try and find them. it can be a painstaking process. that lasts the better part of a night. we were out here watching it unfold for three hours last night. it appears for the most part the pockets of unrest, people who may have been going by, smashing windows or continuing to stay on the streets, have been cleared. now, we can look over, you see some military vehicles right over there. they're slowly starting to pull out as well. i will tell you -- >> blayne, sorry to interrupt you. we have to go to minnesota wher now. >> a few requirements to allow law enforcement to make sure out city streets remain safe. i want to reiterate, again, i think many of you like me have watched that, the video of the truck and the peaceful protesters. i am so incredibly thankful we had no fatalities or no injuries. i just think it highlights the fact, again, of trying to make sure that we create space and keep the ability to peacefully protest there and i think over the last two days minnesota, we've clearly shown a difference between people exercising their 1st amendment rights, showing passion to injustices, and trying to make their voice heard. and those that were trying to do something very different. so i'm going to have paul snell give some updates on where we're at . at this point in time, we're seeing very few incidents. i think some folks who got caught after time, some very respectful interactions, and those folks, again, were simply, i think, exercising their rights and got caught behind the curfew and i'm just grateful how that has panned out so far. so with that, paul snell. >> good evening. thank you, governor. just to provide a quick update as to where things are, as you've seen, as the governor mentioned, the incident with the truck coming onto the bridge was obviously a significant and great concern when that happened. we had been -- we had been monitoring the crowd that was involved in that walk. we knew that they were peaceful. there was no real issues. and when the truck came on and the things that evolved and the great deal of concern we had for the safety of everyone in that situation, as you can see plainly that once the truck came in, again, we didn't know exactly at that point in time what the intent was of that truck driver. and then the concern about was somebody -- was anybody hit? early on was also a concern. then obviously the driver was removed from the truck and was assaulted by a number of people. and then i think a positive note, there was also a large number of people attempting to protect the man who was driving that truck. so, you know, all in all, that situation was -- we sent a lot of resources there, as you saw. there was gas deployment that was really about wanting to disperse the crowd. to move people away from the scene. ultimately, as you saw, officers came in and it was very slow and methodical. different than you might have saw from a tactical standpoint of last night. based on what the commanders saw in the group, that the group appeared largely cooperative. we didn't see high levels of resistance at that point in t e time ultimately, you saw the encirclement that happened, 150 to 200. i don't know the exact number. and, again, those people, you know, were involved in acts of civil disobedience which we respect. they were very respectful in terms of their interactions with officers. it was slow and methodical. this is a textbook kind of response to these type of situations. and that, you know, they're finalizing that as we speak. as they are doing that, we have moved sum resources from st. paul into minneapolis to begin to address other areas. while there's not been significant unrest, we have had people out violating the curfew. based on what we saw them engaged in, we decided it really focus on that area on or near washington there. and address that group. you know, right now, that will continue. those efforts will continue as we finalize these arrests and the booking of those arrested out off of washington. and after that, you know, we will, again, hit hotspots and disperse, get people to get home and comply but ultimately we feel very fortunate that that situation on the bridge did not end any more seriously than it was, and we were also grateful, as the governor mentioned, that so many people did, once again, comply with the curfew which makes a huge difference. as you know, that incident with the truck occurred prior to the implementation of the curfew which, you know, did create challenges because when the curfew was enacted, but commanders based upon field observations made a specific and explicit decision to give focus to that area to address that group. and ultimately, the rest as you're seeing happening now. so we -- the situation is at present stable. the protests at the capitol during 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everybody that they had arrested was from out of town. they had to walk that back. always skeptical of blanket statements, ben. tell me what you found from your report in terms of the organizing outside groups that might be involved in these protests and some of the more violent conflagrations. >> sure. so we saw a lot of posturing from a lot of these kind of groups. both white supremacist groups on the right and the left, you know, antifa-style groups as well. the white supremacist groups from what we've seen, they took video while they were there. they took photos while they were there. you know, they posted memes on open facebook groups and closed chats saying pretty consistently let's burn down these things and all this stuff. they didn't actually post any proof that they did these things. so, you know, there was a lot of talk of online chatter from elected officials saying there was people from outside the state, outsiders coming in and wreaking havoc, but frankly, the people who would be responsible for that haven't really shown any proof of that so far. >> and just for all of our viewers, a moment ago you were looking at images outside of philadelphia. this is boston right now where we have seen some clashes, but a moment ago you were looking at philadelphia where there was, it seemed to be looting at a family dollar and some other businesses. and i want to be clear, the images that you're seeing, these are -- these are not the entirety of the protests, and this doesn't tell the whole story of what we've been seeing in america for the -- you just saw a cop push that man to the ground that was running away. for the past few days, we've seen violent confrontations between protesters and police. at some points getting completely out of hand. to the point where some officers had been relieved of duty or fired in certain cities. there's been a lot of anger at the way that the -- that many officers around this country have treated a number of the protesters who say they were just triing to demonstrate peacefully. and listen. ben, when you talk about who's involved in what's happening, it can seem a little easy to just blame outside groups. it can seem a little easy to say, well, it's these people who are there to do no good and maybe use that as a justification for some of the -- some of the stronger use of force that we've seen around the country. >> yeah, that's absolutely right. and, look, there's been a rush to blame antifa in other events other than just this. really antifa isn't the sort of movement you'd see from other sort of terror groups or say, like, white nationalist groups who try to recruit people and announce they made it. you know? white nationalist groups recruit on facebook, recruit on twitter. once something happens, they post that they've tried to take over a thing. right? you know, the one white nationalist group that said they were trying to do something this time, they are actively trying to foment a second civil war. that's not really the case with antifa. we know this is -- antifa is a loose collective. it's a loosely defined group. intentionally. some cases it's just one or two people giving out advice. it's not really, you know, you can't really define them and nail them down as one specific kind of group. and to define larger sects of protesters as this, it would be unfair to the movement which, you know, we see a lot of terrible stuff in the news. we see a lot of the most -- you know, we keep flying over these looted stores and things like that and there have been tons of peaceful protests all throughout the day and all throughout the cities, all throughout the country. so to lump those two things together would be unfair both to protesters and to police. >> ben collins who lives in the digital world of extremist groups and misinformation. ben collins. thank you very much. let's now go to philadelphia. you're seeing these images, these aerials. let's go to another part of philadelphia where we find my colleague and anchor, ayman mohyeldin. ayman, what do you have? >> reporter: so, katy, we are here right in the heart of philadelphia. in the center of the city. in fact, we're right between city hall and the municipal building and it's a very different scene that's unfolded here over the past couple days. there is no doubt this is the epicenter of the protest for a whole host of reasons. one, the statue you see behind me, frank rizzo statue, former mayor of philadelphia, also former police commissioner, has been the lightning rod, if you will, of so many protests taking place here because of what he symbolized in this city's past. now, that in itself is up for debate, but a lot of the protesters very angry with the fact that that statue remains here in place. it was spray painted. it was vandalized. in fact, officials here cleaned it up early this morning. the center right now has been somewhat quiet for the past 12 hours or so because officials have really reinforced the police presence down here. have really shut down -- we walked around the city for a few minutes, got a chance to see some of the streets that were vandalized over the past couple days. a lot of the windows have been boarded up after the looting and rioting took place in those areas. for the most part, though, as i was saying, this area tonight has been very quiet. the focus of the protests and the demonstrations and in some areas, the looting, has now focused on in western philadelphia. the police commissioner in this city trying to maintain the peace a little bit. you're not seeing a lot of direct confrontation, in fact, the police lost 15 or so vehicles. many of them set on fire. as a result of some of those demonstrations, smashing those windows, lighting those cars on fire. for the most part, though, as i was say ingth this evening, wit the presence of the national guard expected later on, a curfew put in place, public transportation completely shut down until tomorrow morning. there's been very little activity here. the underlying question, though, remains what happens in the days ahead. and we're going to see as the week gets under way tomorrow morning, when the city kind of re-opens again, to what extent we're going to see an emergence of reemergence of protests and demonstrati demonstrations. for the most part, tonight in the city center, it is quiet, it is calm. most of the activity is focused in the western part of philadelphia where there remains some looting of targets and other stores in that area. katy? >> again, what a difference from the images we saw last night across the country including in philadelphia. ayman, thank you very much. when we come backing we're going to talk to the mayor of portland, oregon, where they extended the curfew another night after protesters and police clashed again in downtown today. don't bring that mess around here, evan! whoo! don't do it. don't you dare. i don't think so! 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>> well, we've had a curfew for two night and of course three nights ago, we've had substantial looting and vandalism. last night was a little more chill. and tonight we have a couple of thousand people protesting in two different locations. so far, it has been largely peaceful. there has been a little bit of violence towards the police officers, throwing water bottles and the like, but so far, it seems, things seem to be pretty good. >> so what is the tactic in order to keep things under control? we've seen in cities across the country in the past hour, that a lot of the protests, a lot of the tensions, a lot of the protesters have dissipate and part of that is i guess the curfews and another part is the police may be having a bigger strategy, the national guard coming in, and what do you do in order to calm things down, or does it just run its course? >> well, every demonstration is different. but first of all, you start with clear expectations. we obviously support people's first amendment rights to assembly and free speech. we do not tolerate violence or vandalism. we of course established a curfew, like dozens of other cities, around the country. we've of course limited public transportation. and tonight, we took an unusual step in closing off on-ramps into the city of portland, because we heard anecdotally that. so demonstrators were coming from outside of our city, so every night's different, but i also want to underscore this, there are many people in this city, particularly black shop owners who are very, very frustrated that all of the discussion around vandly. violence, chaos, looting, is overshadowing the larger message around justice and the death of george floyd, and what i'm hearing, in particular, from black portlanders is they don't want us to lose the context, the larger context around the fight for justice for black people in america. >> in looking at these images from portland from saturday, what we're seeing are young people, lots of white boys, with skateboards, breaking open windows, what is the message that these protesters are sending by damaging buildings? is it a message that, i guess, would they be heard? would this moment in our history be heard, as loudly as it is being heard right now, without all of this chaos, without all of this drama? >> yes, that's a very provocative question, and i've had a lot of discussions with people in the community about that, of course there is a long and strong history of demonstration here in portland, as well as all around the country. that's a very american value. and there's no question that if you look back into our own past, there have been times when provocation, even some aspects of violence, have actually shed light on important civil rights issues. but what's happening here, is we actually have black leaders in our community saying, hey, if you're a young white person, and you're committing acts of vandalism, don't do it in my name, because that's not morning the legacy of george floyd, that's not what the black community represents and frankly that's not a very portland value either so we do not support and we do not condone either violence or vandalism in the name of any political end. >> to open up social media, you will see that happening, in smaller action, all over the country, people going up to people, other people, and saying, don't do this, don't do this in my name. mr. mayor, thank you for joining me. >> i appreciate it. thank you. >> good luck in portland tonight. i do appreciate all of your time. and it is 8:56 in portland. it is 11:56 here on the east coast. that will do it for me. joshua johnson continues our coverage right after a very short break. ♪ thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr+/her2- metastatic breast cancer, as the first hormonal based therapy. ibrance plus letrozole significantly delayed disease progression versus letrozole, and shrank tumors in over half of patients. patients taking ibrance can develop low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infections that can lead to death. ibrance may cause severe inflammation of the lungs that can lead to death. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including trouble breathing, shortness of breath, cough, or chest pain. before taking ibrance, tell your doctor if you have fever, chills, or other signs of infection, liver or kidney problems, are pregnant, breastfeeding, or plan to become pregnant. common side effects include low red blood cell and low platelet counts, infections, tiredness, nausea, sore mouth, abnormalities in liver blood tests, diarrhea, hair thinning or loss, vomiting, rash, and loss of appetite. be in your moment. ask your doctor about ibrance. ♪[ siren ] & doug give me your hand! i can save you... lots of money with liberty mutual! we customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ tide cleaners is offeringe free laundry services you. to the family of frontline responders. visit hope.tidecleaners.com to learn more. ...under control. turns out, it was controlling me. seemed like my symptoms were... ...taking over our time together. think he'll make it? 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he could publicly comment about president trump's handling of this current crisis. this will be a virtual town hall. it's hosted by my brother's keeper alliance, an initiative that obama launched as president to help address a crisis just like the one this country is facing now. we'll bring you his opening remarks live when that happens. also the discussion that will follow. not just those remarks, it's fascinating. we'll hear from eric holder, but we're going to hear from the former president just moments after keith ellison announced that charges against former officer derek chauvin has been increased to now include second degree murder. ellison also announced the three other officers had been charged with aiding and abetting and as protests continue around the country, ellison also urged patience. >> i ask for your patience again while we limit our public comments in pursuit of justice. i also ask for your trust. that we are pursuing justice by every leaggal and ethical means available to us. trying this case will not be an easy thing. winning a conviction will be hard. in fact, county attorney freeman is the only prosecutor in the state of minnesota who has successful convicted police officer for murder. and he can tell you that it's hard. the very fact that we have filed these charges means that we believe in them, but what i do not believe is that one successful prosecution can rectify the hurt and loss that so many people feel. the solution to that pain will be slow and difficult work of constructing justice and fairness in our society. >> you're look at live pictures now outside of the twin cities as demonstrations there continue and we're expecting the governor of minnesota to address these latest developments in just a moment. when the demonstrators who gathered today at the site of floyd's death first appeared to learn of those new charges in floyd's killing, this was f some of their initial reanchor. just take a look. >>. ♪ ♪ deep any heamy heart i do bel shall overcome some day ♪ >> quite remarkable. more live protests as news of these developments has made it on to plenty of smart phones and it's starting to sink in. dozens of cities have once imposed curfews again tonight after things appeared to be calmer last night. as we await to hear from president obama during this historic moment, let' bring in shah quil brewster who's been on the ground all week in minnesota. our justice correspondent, pete williams is also here to help explain some of the changes in the new filings in the floyd case and also with us, paul butler, georgetown law professor and msnbc legal analyst. let's go there to the twin cities. you were there on the ground when word leaked out. there's sort of relief but still anguish? >> relief, anguish, celebration. those images you just showed, that's what we're still seeing here at the site where george floyd was killed and people have been going around and the circle, they're actually kneeling now. didn't know that was going on. but the circle of people you see there, people have been going in in the middle of that irk circle randomly, spontaneously, going and speaking about what this means to them and what the death of george floyd. >> matt: has meant to them and you can see since the beginning of the day when you saw his son, he went over to the location, exact spot where floyd was killed. got on a knee, took a prayer. you also saw the governor come and pay his respects. that's what the scene has become. it's described by so many as sacred ground. where people come, pay their respects and have a sense of community. it's a diverse group of people. people from all walks of life, from all over the country that i've met and had interactions with. that's what you're continuing to see. the news they got today of not only officer chauvin, his charges being upgraded, but the charges against the other three officers is exactly what they've been calling for. they say it's overdue. and they're saying now they want a conviction. that that was not enough. just the first step. chuck. >> i want to talk to you about some more things, but u i want play another bite from the attorney general, keith ellison, on how we're going to go. looks like we've been moving at, really quickly. but he's reminding people this is now going to take quite some time. take a listen to his comments. >> in a final angel is, a protest can shake a tree and make the fruit fall down but after that fruit is in reach, collecting it and making the jam must follow. the demonstrations and the protests are dramatic and necessary but building just just institutions is more of a slow grind but equally important and we have to begin that work as well. >> it's been amazing what we've seen in nine days and the movements on charges being brought, officers being fired. that's been an amazing speed. i felt like this was a attorney general of minnesota saying okay, demonstrators, realize the next step here is going to take a while. >> he has been facing the pressure to have these charges. prosecutor has been facing pressure and that's going to take time. the one thing ellison said in in addition to calling for that calm and patience, it doesn't take calm and patience to start working at systemic issues and we heard some of that yesterday not just looking at this death with george floyd, but looking at the past ten years of patterns and practices with this police department. looking to see if there's systemic discrimination. that's a big deal and what the protestors have been calling for. yes, they wanted these officers arrested, charged and they want to see a conviction, but they want to see changes beyond that and many people tell me they're noting things for the very first time and they're liking the progress they're seeing. chuck. >> shaquille brewster at the site. let me bring in pete and paul. there's a specific reason why the charges against derek chauvin were upgraded. walk us through that. >> well, i think one possibility here is this. remember that derek chauvin originally faced a charge of third degree murder, which is basically deliberate indifference to human life, act wg a depraved state of mind. under minneapolis, minnesota law, you can't be charged with aiding and abetting third degree murder. that plmay be one reason. both the second degree and man slaugt er charge that derek chauvin now faces. that could be one reason. can you give us a sense of timing of this, of how long a case like this you know is going to take? to when should we expegt to have a trial for instance? >> i would think a is possible later this year. i think it moves faster than it does in the federal system, but there are some things to think about. number one, it may well be the prosecutors will try to get one of these officers, perhaps the one who's standing there in the video who was not holding george floyd down. may try to get him to cooperate and testify. that would take some time. the second thing is i don't think it would be unexpected if they try to get a change of venue. now moving it out of minneapolis or st. paul, where ever else that i don't know about this. you might argue that passions are especially high in federal court, it's really hard to get changes of venue. the jury pool is just saturated with coverage and even then frankly seldom works. >> i don't mean to be this is a national story, is there a -- >> it's not like everybody else in minnesota didn't know what was going on. what i'm saying is it may not succeed. it could take some time. so i don't know. later this year, early next year, it's really hard to say. >> paul, as you heard pete explain it, is that your assessment that most likely, they raised the charge to get aiding and abetting to stick, that needs to be for second degree murder or higher? >> these prosecutors are throwing the book at all four of these police officers so added is the keyword here. officer chauvin, former officer chauvin remains charged with third degree murder and now he's charged with second degree. the jury will have to choose between one or the other. second keg murder is felony murder in minnesota which means the prosecutors still don't have to prove intent to kill, which in this case is assault. if they prove that and the death happened as a result of the assault, they still get their murder conviction. the other officers are charged with aiding and abetting. the interesting thing there is if you help somebody commit a crime in minnesota, you're eligible for the same punishment as if you had done the deed yourself so these folks are all looking at a lot of time and i agree with pete. their quoing the prosecutors will try to get one of these gentlemen to fold. to testify against the other officers. we know there's complicity because the police report they all signed on to was a lie so if someone wants to make a deal to testify against the other three officers, that person has a huge incentive. the ls thing i heard the protestors say four down u, what do they say, we got all four. they're a lopg wng way from get all four as the attorney general indicated. this is just the dping. it's one thing to charge officers, probably cause. it's a lower standard. to convict them, it's under reasonable doubt. if one juror doesn't agree, the government loses, the police officer walks. >> paul, so the three officers charged with aiding and abetting, if chauvin doesn't get convicted of second degree murder, what happens to those charges? >> they can still be convicted. >> pete, they could -- okay. >> you can still be convicted. i think i'm right, am i not, paul? >> felony murder is a murder you don't intend to commit. there's a puzzle with how -- these are location, these a looking at a lot of they got they want and all four of these cops. >> is there any order? does the chauvin charge go first? >> i'm not sure. in federal court, generally, they try to keep these things together. surely if one peels off and that would be a separate trial. whether the other two would be tried. the two police officers who were with him, king and lane, whether they would be charged together or tried separately. tried together then chauvin tried separately. i just don't know. >> what's your sense of what's most likely here. would the three officers be tried tat same time or separate then chauvin separately? this is going to be one of the first, each defense attorney will say no. i want my client tried by himself. in the freddy gray case in baltimore when numerous officers were implicated, everyone was charged at the same time. the judges ended up separating those into individual trials. >> paul, what is is part of this prosecution because not getting a conviction here would be pretty upsetting to the community. what do you think the toughest part of this prosecution is going to be? >> that's why the prosecutors left in the third degree murder and also the voluntary manslaughter charge. >> paul, i don't mean to cut you off. president obama is about to speak. via live stream. >> president barack obama. >> man. thank you. that was unbelievable. and we could not be prouder. and you are a hard act to follow. so i can't wait to see what you're going to be doing in the future. good afternoon, everybody. all the panelists and participants. let me start by acknowledging that we have seen in the last several weeks, few months, the kinds of epic changes and events in our country that are as profound as anything i've seen in my lifetime and i'm not a lot older than -- going to be 59 soon. although all of us have been feeling pain, uncertainty, disrupg, some folks have been feeling it more than others. most of all, the pain that's been experienced by the families. george, breonna, ahmad, tony and others, too many to mention. those we thought about during that moment of silence. and to those families who have been directly affected by tragedy. please know that michelle and i grieve with you, hol you in our prayers, are committed to the fight of a more just nation because of your sons and daughters and we can't forget that even as we're confronting the familiparticular acts of vi that led to those losses, our nation is still in the middle of a global pandemic that's exposed vulnerabilities of the health care system, but also the disparate treatment as a consequence that exists in our health care system. that led to number of loss of life in communities of color. so in a lot of ways, what has happened over the last several weeks is challenges and structural problems have been thrown into high relief. they're the outcomes not just of the immediate moments in time, but they're the result of a long history. of slavery and jim crow and red lining and institutionalized racism that too often have been the plague, the original sin, f of our society and as difficult as these two weeks have been, they've also been an incredible opportunity for people to be awakened. to some of these underlying trends. and they offer an opportunity for us to all work together to tackle them, to america and make it live up to its highest ideals. part of what's made me so hopeful is the fact so many young people have been motivated and mobilized. because historically, so much of the progress we've made in our society has been because of young people. dr. king was a young man. when he got involved. caesar chavez was a young man. malcolm x was a young man. the members of the feminist movement were young people. leaders of the environmental movement in this country and the movement to make sure that the lgbt community finally had a voice and was represented were young people and so when i walked, when sometimes i feel despair, i just see what's happening with young people all across the country. and the talent and the voice and sophistication they're displaying and it makes me feel optimistic. as if you know this country is going to get better. now i want to speak directly to the young men and women of color in this country who have witnessed too much violence and death. and too often, the it's come from folks who were supposed to be serving and protecting. i want you to know your matter. your hives matter and your dreams matter and when i look at the faces of my daughters, and nephews and nieces, i see limitless potential that deserves to flourish and thrive and you should be able to learn and make mistakes and live a life of joy without having to worry about what's going to happen when you walk to the store or go for a jog or driving down the street. or hooking at looking at birds in a park. so i hope you also feel hopeful even as you may feel angry. because you have the power to make things better and you have helped to make the entire country feel as if this is something that's got to change. you've communicated a sense of urgency. that is as powerful and as transformtive as anything that i've seen in recent years. i want to acknowledge the foerks in law enforcement that share the goals of reimagining police because there are folks out there who took their oath to serve your communities and countries, had a tough job and i know you're just as outraged about the tragedies as are many of the protestors so we're grateful for the vast majority of you who protect and serve. i have been heartened to see those in law enforcement who have recognized let me march along with these protestors. let me and side by side and recognize that i want to be part of the solution. and show restraint and volunteer. and listen. because you're a vital part of the conversation. and change is going to require everybody's participation. when i was in office, i created a task force on 21st century policing in the wake of the tragic killing of michael brown. that task force which included law enforcement and community leaders and activists was charged two develop a specific set of recommendations to strent strengthen trust and foster better working relationships between law enforcement and communities they're supposed to protect even as they promote effective crime reduction and that report showcased a range of solutions. and and strategies that were proven and based on data and research. to improve community policing and collect better data and identify and do something about bias and how police were trained. and reforms to use the force that police deploy in ways that increase safety. most of the reforms needed to prevent the type of violence and injustices that we've seen take place at the local level. reform has to take place in more than 19,000 american municip municipalitie municipalities. more than 18,000 enforcement jurisdictions and so as activists and every day citizens raise their voices, we need to be clear about where change is going to happen and how we can bring about that change. it is mayors and county executors that appoint most police chiefs and negotiate collective bargaining agreements with police unions and that determines police practices in local communities. it's district and states attorneys that decide typically whether or not to investigate and charge those involved in police misconduct and those are all elected positions and in some places, they're are review boards with the power to monitor conduct. the bottom line is i've been hearing a little bit of chatter in the internet about voting versus protests. politics and participation versus civil disobese yens and direct action. this is not a either/or. this is a both and. to bring about real change, we both have to highlight a problem and make a power uncomfortable but we have to transform that into practice kl solutions to laws that can be implemented and we can monitor and make sure we're following up on them. so very quickly, let me just close with a couple of specific things. we can we do? number one, we know there are specific evidence based reforms that if we put in place today, would build trust, save lives, would not show an increase in crime. those are included in the 21st century policing task force report. you can find it on obama.org. number two, a lot of mayors and local elected officials supported the task force report but then there wasn't enough follow through. so today, i'm urging every mayor in this country. to review your use of force policies with members of your community and commit to report on planned reforms. what are the specific steps you can take and i should add by the way that original task force was done several years ago. since that time, we've actually collected data in part because we implemented some of these reform ideas so we now have more information and data as to what works and their organizations like campaign zero and color of change and others that are out there highlighting what the data shows. what works, what doesn't in terms of reducing incidents of police misconduct and violence. let's start implementing those. so we need mayors, county executives, who are in positions of power to say this is a priority. number three. every city in this country should be a my brother's keeper community because we have 250 cities, counties, tribal nations who are working to reduce barriers and expand opportunity for boys and young men of color, through programs and policy reforms and public private partnerships so go to our website. get working with that. because it can make a difference. and let me just close by saying this. i heard some people say that you have a pandemic then you had these protests. this reminds people of the '60s and the chaos and discord and distrust throughout the country. i have to tell you, though i was very young when you had riots and protests and assassinations and discord back in the '60s, i know enough about that history to say there's something different here. you look at those protests and that was a far more representative cross section of america out on the streets peacefully protesting and who felt moved to do something. because of the injustices they had seen. that didn't exist in the '60s. that kind of broad coalition. the fact that surveys have showed that despite some protes having then been marred by the actions of some, a tiny minority, that despite as usual that got a lot of attention and focus, despite all that, a majority of americans still think those protests were justified. wouldn't have existed. 30, 40, 50 years ago. there is a change in mind set that that's taking place place. a greater recognition. that we can do better. and that is not as a consequence of speeches by politicians. that's not the result of spotlights in news articles. that's a direct result of the activities and organizing and mobilization and engagement on so many young people across the country. who put themselves on the line to make a difference. i have to say thank you to them. for to bring about this moment and just make sure that we now follow through. at some point, attention moves away. at some point, protests start to dwindle in size and it's very important for us to take the momentum that has been created as a society, as a country, and say let's use this. all right? thank you, everybody. proud of you guys and i know that we're going to be hearing from a bunch of people who have been on the front lines on this and know a lot more than i do about it. proud of you. >> thank you, mr. president. >> you've just been hearing from president obama. he's been addressing the my brother's keeper alliance. a virtual town hall and in a moment, there will be a panel discussion that will include president obama and eric holder and we want to bring you that when it begins. in the meantime, joining me now are kristen welker and joshua johnson and cornell belcher, a pollster for some guy named president obama back when we all had a little less gray hair. nice to see you, sir. joshua, we want to remember that this foundation is about, he started it. this was about bringing a focus on uplifting young men of color. what did you make of the message he sent? joshua, i think we have an audio issue. you may want to check. audio from you? >> how about now? >> any way, as i was trying to say before i interrupted myself, president obama made his presentation very much about young people. the young man who introduced him i was watching this stream before it started, he was doing this very powerful spoken word piece and young people dealing with violence on their streets. go to youtube when you get a second. very moving and soakepoke to th energy president obama praised in terms of how social movements happen. he was giving a lot of veterans of social movements have given in terms of a need to marry protests with policy. with precise policy. during the 21st policing task force that it proposes. i don't think that's going to be as big a challenge now as in the past. because in the '60s, if you want to know what beyond a reasonable doubt meant or what the 21st century policing task force meant, you didn't have one of these magic know it alls that you could pull out of your puckett and find the information and send it to someone else who needed to know it. i don't think this is going to go the way previous movements have gone especially because this is an election year and there's a reason why president obama said every mayor needs to be on this because there's all these down ballot ticket items that democrats have not done nearly as good a job of republicans of galvanizing voters around actively demanding precise policies on. so i think he was not only trying to get people who share his view to be active, but also to activate young people who may feel left out or think their votes don't count. >> kristen welker, i thought it was interesting the point he made about saying hey, this is not 1968. this is different. and i sort of, i take his point there but i'm just curious what you made of that. i thought it was interested and wanted to make that, definitely didn't, he's trying to change that narrative, that's for sure. >> absolutely, that line stood out to me as well, chuck. and in some ways, the former president's remarks were signature obama. we heard him make similar comments when he was in office that look, thing rs different but so much has improved since the 1960s. and you heard him talk about the coalition, the fact that we see a diverse group of protestors out on the streets. this is monot just an issue bei fought by one group of people. so former president obama trying to find optimism in that and in those optics, you heard him thank the protestors at the end of his remarks. i thought it was also notable for the fact that look, he drew a sharp distinction with the way president trump is handling this crisis without mentioning president trump by name. he was careful in his words. carefully chosen and that's one of the attributes we associate with the obama presidency and this is really his life's work having left office. how to improve this situation, this ongoing crisis. tensions between communities of color and police departments all across the country and you heard him really stress that police departments have a role to play. young people have a role to play. his comments certainly i would agree with joshua, focused on the young people. quite optimis clear that everyone has a role to play. >> cornell, you and i are the old guys in this quartet here. just warning you. i want to put up some polling numbers here. i felt like president obama was get iting at this. look at the monmouth poll. i want to put up changes are. are police r more likely to use force against black suspects? mnow it's up to 50% of white america. 87%, but 57% overall. the point is it seems as the g biggest change between ferguson and today is among white america on this issue. >> and that's the power of what we're seeing in this movement now and that's the power of what you're seeing there on the ground with those protestors that diverse swath of not just african-americans, young white people, latin x, asians. it's a diverse swath of america. i say this before, chuck, the moment white people think they have skin in the racism game, game change in america. >> yep. >> this is different because we are actually seeing more whites think all of a sudden, racism is something that does in fact impact me. my community. and certainly this division is a problem for my children down the line. so i think this is going to be different. and i think the opportunity to mobilize this and to change and not be tribalized by this, you see it in what's happening and you see it on those young people in the street by the way and those young people in the street look a lot like the core of the obama coalition that organized the 2008 and 2012 and so many of them protested their vote in 2016. and didn't come out and vote third party. >> i'm curious. how much do you think that the combination of the impact of the pandemic both on health and economics, coupled with the police, the examples of police brutality and abuse again hoeing up at the same time, almost was like a you can't ignore this now, white america. >> it was a perfect storm. it was perfect storm of angst but that video, and i've been hit up by, political hack because i work in politics. by republican consultants who say you know, this is not america. so for the first time, they're seeing it in ways that we've been arguing about it for a long time. i think this is different. again, you have, and look, even mitch mcconnell i can't believe, talked about what could congress coabout this now, so this does feel different. >> it was interesting, joshua, that i thought the president, he former president obama was careful. he talked about that he had this 21st century policing program and he didn't mention that it was this administration that got rid of it. it's implied. but i thought that was interesting. he was, he stopped short of doing that. but why. what do you gain by saying it? i don't know. when he gave that virtual commencement address, there was that kind of sideways slight at the trump administration. but it's kind of almost too late in the day for that. like if this is going to change, it's going to change because a critical mass of everybody is going to make it change and i think he knows how important this is and how this cuts across political lines, especially with young people. if there's one thing about 21st sempblry teenagers and 20 somethings that is dramatically dicht from their parents, it's that their highly, highly pragmatic. far more than partisan so if he says something like that, like the trump administration threw away my plan but we should do it any way, it instantly robs it of its ability to be a good idea. young people that i've chatted with, the reason they give you hope is because they're pragmatic and no matter wla it's what we're look at in philadelphia or anywhere across the country that's been protesting, you give them a good idea and even young people of different political stripes will be able to say, well, explain it. let me pick this apart and go to snopes and then we can talk but they're not going say are you a shark. we've seen how far that's gotten us us politically. spoiler alert, nowhere. and today, young people are much more willing to focus on an idea that porks. >> kristen welker, we did hear tod today, this bill to come out of the house, possibly a ban, some sort of attempt to put a ban on choke holds. whether it's making it a federal crime or using money to coerce local police departments to change is unleclear. what i thought was interesting about the former president's remarks is he was basically saying hey, this is done on the local level. don't expect the federal government to make a change on its own. he didn't say it in those terms, but he was emphasizing this is about mayors and county executives. >> that's right and that was at the crux of his 21st century policing policies. you're right, the conversation you're having with joshua, the president didn't mention the fact that the trump administration rolled back those policy prescriptions. he didn't have to for all the reasons joshua is talking about and also because top obama advisers are doing that work. they have been pointing out the fact that former president obama's policy prescriptions have not been enacted and that that is some of what thepg they think is useful in terms of dealing with this type of a crisis but obama made this a local issue athat was at the coe of so many suggestions. st it's about providing police officers with the tools and training they need. whether it's body cameras or learning thow to interact with the communities that surround them. it's about giving young boys and men of color the resources they need in order to thrive. all of that stuff happens at the local level. i also think it's worth noting, which you recollect we may be getting a glimpse of what we're going to see from obama once the campaign really does start to ramp out. up. that he sees himself as someone who can help to frame the terms of this type of debate. >> well he's let's dip back in both the former attorney gene l general, let's listen in. >> i want to move to felipe cunningham, a councilman from the city of minneapolis where so much of this is centered. minneapolis is really ground zero in so many ways and it was home to george floyd and his family. philippe, i have so many questions for you, but first, i want to know how you're doing and what is happening on the ground in minneapolis in i see here on the zoom call, my friend who is peacefully protesting in los angeles when he was hit with a rubber bullet. we've seen so many images of that kind of unnecessary confrontation and a lot o of them are coming from minneapolis. so how is home? the home team doing and what do we outside of minneapolis need to understand about what's going on on the ground? >> yes, well thank you so much for having me. thank you for that question. i too swrjust want to start offm here today wauf the strept of my ancesto ancestors. so on the ground in minneapolis, folks are mobilizing on a scale we've never seen before and a diverse coalition. very diverse coalition of folks is emerging, demanding justice. not only for george floyd, but justice in thousand city of minneapolis protects its residents. what we are seeing right now from the ground and across the country is generations is trauma and rage at the violence bestoued on the black community by the state at every level of government. and i'll just add that i myself as a black, queer, transgender man, i, too, live both firsthand the trauma and the trauma that i have to carry around e experiencing violence as well as the generational trauma of my ancestors who survived slavery, so seeing all this, layering it on. what's interesting about the fact that all of this has really been ground zero in minneapolis is that we are an incredibly progressive city. at the aim time, we are also the city that has the most significant racial despaisparit between white and black folks across the country. so this has just been boiling under the surface. i've been in office now for two and a half f years and within my first two years, i had to deal with three officer involved shooting deaths in my ward alone including one that was a suicide by cop. the trauma from those incidents. because the legal system deems their deaths justified. the evidence is clear overall. president obama spoke to the data we're' starting to see over policing, criminalization and mass incarceration have not kept our community safer. in fact, people getting caught in the criminal justice system, push iing us further to the margins of society thus triggering a cycle that's often passed into generationally. what we're seeing on the ground in minneapolis is folks saying enough is enough and our system is obviously broke ben. and it's time for a new system of public safety in our city. over the year, we have heard from folks who believe that the solution is simply adding more police officers and we have also heard from folks who are reformers who want to advocate for incremental change, but even those voices are waning because our whole city has seen for the past three nights, that we have the ability to keep ourselves safe in our communities safe. so you ask how i'm doing, i'm a little bit tired because i've been up all night with my community organizing my community very closely with folks on the ground to post up patrol because minneapolis police departments, or the national guard r were hoeing up to protect our homes and our small businesses. we're seeing large scale protests. in the community arepresent, we've been dealing with more right leaning groups terrorizing our community by burning down black owned businesses. so we've come together, pregnanting our own community and now it's time for for us to simmize strategies and make them sustainable. >> that was 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>> yes, go for it, steve. tell us about it. >> hey, chuck, yeah, sorry about that. the election of ella jones. she is the fist black and first female all at once mayor of ferguson. i spoke to her today. you know, i asked her what that means to the community, what she thinks maybe it means to the nation because it's getting so much attention. and she said it's all about inclusion. specifically, to the citizens here of ferguson. for years they have dealt with this deep division in this community. i was a local reporter in st. louis years ago before ferguson really popped off after the killing of mike brown. and you could see that division. you could see it in city of st. louis. you could see it especially here in ferguson, where a large percentage of the population here is black, and a lot of the people that controlled it, a large percentage of that was white. and then when everything happened, obviously that exposed some of the deep divisions that were inherent here. she lived through all of that. she has been here for 40 years, saw the cooks, saw the protests, decide -- she was spurred to action by that. and became the first black city council member in 2015. so she is used to blazing trails. but i think that just in speaking to people in town, it's given people a sense of hope, a sense of there is progress being made both here in ferguson and across the country. i think they feel, and she feels like because they've been through it so poignantly and so specifically all those six years ago now that maybe they can have a few lessons for everybody else to learn. and those lessons came from hard work. those ensuing years after the mike brown protests led to criminal justice reform, court reform, police wearing body cameras, police hiring minorities at a much greater level than they have before. and sees that as the baton to pick up and carry forward. and i got to tell you, we were up with protesters last night. it was well past curfew, into the middle of the night. they were marching in the middle of the street here in ferguson. at one point they were disrupting traffic. they had to do something to get people's attention. police recognized that. they roll up on all of us. we think oh, no, things are going to go bad. and it turns out they were there to help the protesters keep doing what they were doing. it is community policing. a lot of those guys knew the people that were on the street. that was evident. and at the end of it, everybody was clapping and cheering for the police. really a remarkable sight that we've seen here in ferguson, especially on these streets. and that's something that they want to continue moving forward with. obviously, it's not perfect. a lot of the businesses that you might see behind me got hit. there was a lot of fires. there has been looting. there has been all of that. but by and large, the relationship with the police. the relationship with the city council and the community, has improved. and we've seen it. chuck? >> steve patterson, i love that you also earlier today with us showcased that handshake, a handshake between protesters, community members and police officers. >> yes. >> you know, it was symbolic. and as you said, a lot of work to do. but it is progress. steve patterson, thank you. joshua johnson, again, we started off talking about president obama, ever the optimist. ferguson is an optimistic story, right? this is a story that goes from protest. it goes from shaking that tree, right, that we were talking about earlier. and you have five years later you get involved in politics, you can take -- you can take control of your community, if you work at it. >> it is an optimistic story. i think it is also the flip side of a cautionary tale. ferguson has its first black mayor. it has its second black police chief. ferguson is the kind of a city that could have easily gone the other way. we have to regular that that slogan "no justice, no peace" is not a bumper sticker. it is a warning. it is an if/then statement. do not believe for one second that ferguson could have fallen back into the same violence or worse that we saw when michael brown was killed. but people in ferguson decided we can't live like that no more, and they made some changes. the question now is whether or not cities across the country will make those changes in and of themselves. this is nothing to do with donald trump or joe biden or anything like that. this has to do with executive leadership in local communities as pushed by the residents. so ferguson, i'm not sure i'd use the word optimistic. i think, you know, you got to have a dream, but also you got to put that dream to work. because we know as black people how good the promise is of elected officials have been when we have not pushed and pushed and pushed again. >> i'm low on time here, kristen welke. >> and you're well aware of that, but you grew up in philadelphia. and you grew up and watched that transition as well. philadelphia would go the other way at times when it came to certain instincts. think frank rizzo. >> oh, absolutely. frank rizzo and some of the protesters in fact tore the statue of the former mayor of philadelphia down because they saw him as a symbol of someone who only added to these types of racial tensions. and i was in philadelphia, chuck, when charles ramsey was the police commissioner and really made that the focal point of his tenure there, community policing, and trying to improve and prevent the types of deaths like the one suffered by george floyd. and of course he went on to lead the task force of former president obama. so i think that this is something that is impacting communities all across the country. there is no doubt about that. i was out with protesters outside of the white house today, and i talked to them, and i asked them to reflect on the response that wee seen by president trump, the comments we've seen by vice president biden, who is of course the presumptive nominee. and they said look, no one seems to have the exact answer. this is something that we all have to fight for, chuck. >> kristen welker, joshua johnson, cornell belcher, thank you for being a tremendous trio with me here as we bookended the barack obama town hall here. that's all we have for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with a complete "meet the press daily." and if it's wednesday, there is an all new podcast. the chuck toddcast is out. i'll discuss this moment of crisis with some guy named joshua johnson, hey, joshua. and eugene scott of "the washington post." check it out. "the beat with ari melber" starts right now. good evening. >> good evening, chuck. we start with breaking news. all four officers involved in the arrest and killing of george floyd have been charged with murder. this is all brand-new this evening. so let's go through it. one, the main officer who led this arrest pinning floyd's neck until he died had been previously charged with third-degree murder. now late today prosecutors upping that to the more serious charge of second-degree murder.
that could lie ahead. taking a hard look at the behavior of police unions as the impediment to real police reform. and the virus never went away. why public health experts are raising the alarms over the spread in hot spots around the country when "all in" starts right now. as protests continue around this country for the ninth straight night, mostly peaceful, we'll be covering those marches. we begin by the unraveling of the moment the president seems to have hoped would be a defining triumph. the assault on peaceful protesters at the white house on monday to clear the way for him to go stand in front of a church, august wardley holding a bible, because he was reportedly mad anyone would think he was hiding in a white house bunker during the protests. he thought that photo op would project strength. she had it has turned into a defining debacle. widely condemned by many involved. now his former defense secretary retired marine corps general james mattis, who left his administration in december 2018, released a forceful denunciation of the president. a guy who would tear gas his own people to try to make himself look good. he released a statement just a couple of hours ago. i'm going to read some of it to you. quote i have watched this week's unfolding events angry and appalled. the words "equal justice under law" are carved in the impediment of the smoet. these are what protesters are rightly demanding. i swore an oath to defend the constitution. never did i dream troops having sworn that same oath would be ordered to violate the rights of citizens with military leadership standing alongside. bizarre photo op, says the commander in chief. yesterday it was the current secretary of defense, mark esper, telling msnbc news in an exclusive interview that he thought he was going to talk to troops and, i really love this one, let's not lose sight of it, observe a vandalized bathroom. and had no idea about the photo op. well, today secretary esper changed his story, had to admit he didn't think they were going to look at graffiti on a urinal, that he knew where he was going. he said he opposes sending active duty troops in for the george floyd protests, something the president announced he would like to do. reporters say the white house isn't happy with all that. it's clear something's going on in the pentagon with the former and current secretary of defense feeling the need to make these statements on the same day. the problem at the heart of this is fundamentally the president is a weak man. deep down, he's a weak man. he compensates for the fundamental weakness by projecting strength in the most pathetic and obvious wayses like congratulating himself for the supposed domination of protesters. we are all caught in his psycho drama because he is the president, which is why he is currently turning washington, d.c. into this real-life projection of his own authoritarian dreams, including this deployment of military police to the lincoln memorial against peaceful protesters. it's why there were low-flying -- a low-flowing helicopter menacing americans in the nation's capital. and why today at the white house there were basically on the streets of the american capitol secret police. these guys. who refused to identify themselves, who did not wear insignia "the washington post" reporting the secret service decided to move trump there after protesters briefed temporary fences near a white house complex. but that is not the story the man who senator tammy duckworth called a tinpot dictator is telling. the president is hilariously trying to assure us the bunker trip was just for inspection purposes. >> well, it was a false report. i wasn't down, i went down during the day, and i was there for a tiny little short period of time. it was much more for an inspection. >> so you tell me, mr. president, they didn't say to you, you have to go downstairs, my responsibility is your welfare? they didn't limit you at all in the house? >> nope, they didn't tell me that at all. but they said it would be a good time to go down, take a look, because maybe sometime you're going to need it. >> i love the idea. the protesters have breached the fence, now would be a good time to inspect the bunker, mr. president. just because you might need it in the future. the president's attempts to project strength and domination are pathetic. they're frankly pathetic. they're not working. most people rightly think the president is failing miserably at the task at hand. only 39% of the country approve his handling of the protests, compared to 55% who disapprove. things are not looking good. we have learned over five years of watching trump, there is no definitive breaking point, there's no moment where it all collapses, have you no decency, sir, where trump is routed and repudiated and everyone runs away from him. but in an election year the widening circles of condemnation matter. the statement from former secretary of defense mattis comes one day after a similarly striking criticism from former joint chiefs of staff chair mike mullin, as well as reports the pentagon is furiously trying to retreat from trump's call to dominate the protests. mattis is an enormously respected figure within the military. his words carry enormous weight. here's more what he had to say. quote donald trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the american people, does not even pretend to try. instead he tries to divide us. we are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate everyday. we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. we can unite without him. this will not be easy as the past few days have shown but we owe it to our fellow citizens and past generations who bled to defend our promise and to our children. joining me for more on the remarkable statement by general mattis is lieutenant general russell honore who served as the general of the committee on hurricane katrina. your reaction to this statement, which is quite strong, from general mattis? >> well, i believe general mattis eloquently stated what's in the hearts and mind of many of us who wore our nation's cloth. 37 years wearing our nation's uniform. and commitment to that constitution. as you recall, as this thing happened, as it unfolded, i just happened to be doing an interview on another station. i say now what i said then. the president doesn't understand the constitution or he don't give a damn. and i think general mattis eloquently stated that in his statement, as well as admiral mullin. this is quite discouraging. and i think we are happy to see the secretary of defense crawling back over to the pentagon where he needs to stay. he is not a profitable in political activities. if he's going to control the nuclear weapons, nuclear aircraft carriers, submarines, and 2 million people, the secretary of defense needs to stay the hell at the pentagon and stay out of the white house. >> i'm curious. i've never been a reporter, i have friends who are and i've done some reporting on the building and the culture there. it seems, given what else per's had to do to try to kind of run away from being associated with it, to see mattis, to see mullin, to see all these figures, there is most likely profound dissension in the pentagon and disapproval and frustration with what the president's rhetoric and actions. what do you think? >> i think this will be short-lived. we've come to expect that the president will give orders that he cannot accomplish. you know, two weeks ago he was telling the governors he would tell them when they can open the states, he would direct them to do it. and now we're all to, he's going to tell them, he's going to use the insurrection act, send federal troops in. very poor understanding of the constitution and regulation and relationship between the white house and the governors. the governors are the senior elected official in each state. ? how he don't understand that. >> the question has been raised as we've watched this about the sort of sacrosanct guardrail between the civilian government and the military. obviously it's a guardrail that has been crossed in many nations before ours. and there's a question about, do we basically trust the sort of fundamental bedrock integrity of the military as an apolitical force that can be trusted to, say, refuse unlawful orders? i wonder what you think about that? >> we've lost the secretary of defense and a few others along the way. secretary of the navy. over disagreements with the white house. and that's what happens. the honorable people step away when they're told something that they disagree with. we all have to respect the fact that we've got to maintain the force, we've got to protect the country. so you might see a secretary of defense or chairman suck one down every now and then, like when the president went over to the pentagon and cursed everybody out and told them they didn't know what they were doing. they sucked that down because they didn't do it because -- uh respect to him, they did it because they have to take care of the troops and protect our country. this is uncalled for. he's acting like he's running turkey, not the united states of america. and i think the american people deserve better than that. but they will have to make their decision in a few months. >> you obviously have some experience with this, with having deployed service members under your command in the streets of an american city in louisiana in the wake of katrina. you wrote about it in "the atlantic." you said, don't ever tell law enforcement to shoot to kill your own people. what troubled you about the sounds coming from the white house and from esper about dominating the battle space when talking about american citizens? >> it scared the hell out of me. if you were to see that article just quickly, the governor in our desperation was addressing the people of louisiana and basically said, looters, stay away, because we will give orders to shoot to kill if we catch you looting. and of course, we don't shoot people over things like that. and we were there for a rescue mission. and we don't shoot people, your own citizen. you don't direct the police to shoot your people. shooting is the last option that a law enforcement officer or a uniformed member who's sworn to protect and defend the constitution of the united states does. we shoot to protect ourselves. we don't shoot to kill people because they're coming out with a television out of a store or a handful of shoes. we apprehend them. and that's why we're trained, that's why we're uniformed commissioned people. >> lieutenant general russell honore, it is always great to get your perspective, especially at this perilous moment, i appreciate you taking time for us. >> remember the covid, wear your mask. >> that's right. joining me now for more on president trump's dangerous misuse of the military, congressman ruben gallego, democrat of arizona, marine corps veteran who served in iraq. you've been outspoken, congressman. as you watch the president flirt with the insurrection act, we saw reports today that active-duty service members have been calling around d.c., brought to d.c. that decision had been reversed that esper was going to send them back to where they had been stationed. the president apparently then reversed that reversal, countermanded that. what do you think is happening here? >> i think this is very reflective of the instability of this administration, the instability of this president. he doesn't know how to lead, he doesn't know how to lead a nation, the only thing he knows how to do is exploit the nation, exploit the tensions in this nation. that shows when you're dealing with professionals. right now i know there are pentagon officials that are pushing back hard on this. they know that the president is pretty close to breaking the very tenuous relationship that has existed basically since the end of the vietnam war. we've been trying to rebuild the relationship between civilians and military leadership. and he's trying to destroy it. not for any grander cause, but basically to save his political behind. and that's the worst, right? this man is so weak that he believes that violence can build strength. that's just not the way it is. i always try to remind people, especially young people getting into politics, the most important thing to always remember is this. strength whispers, weakness screams. and this president is screaming right now for attention and distraction. >> i'll ask you about an op ed that ran in "the new york times" today under the byline of com cotton, a man of somewhat similar trajectory as you, both harvard graduates, both served in the post-9/11 war feeders. he says, send in the troops, the nation must restore order, the military stands ready. he was tweeting earlier this week, let's see how antifa likes it when they face the airborne. what do you think about that? >> we're no longer a nation when we have to rely on the united states military to bring order, quote-unquote, across this country. and also, this fake idea of antifa being some organization that we have to send united states might against. that's ridiculous. what he is describing are largely peaceful protests. they're sick and tired of black men being targeted in this country and dying at the hands of government. he may think showing strength by sending the 82nd airborne, you're not sending the airborne against antifa, you're sending it against u.s. citizens. it would be a disgrace to the face of everybody that's ever worked to make this democracy more perfect for the last 300, 200 years, that i can't imagine that as a serious concept. you do not use military force against u.s. citizens. it's antithetical to what we've always understood. i think you'd have a lot of problems having many of these soldiers, sailors, marines actually follow those orders. >> if on a spectrum where 1 is a democracy that is healthy and thriving and has robust institutional resilience and respect for the rule of law, and 10 is one that's dying, that is about to wink out of existence and give way to something more authoritarian, where do you see the u.s. today, right now? >> i think we're a healthy democracy, but we're a healthy democracy not because we have former generals coming out and talking, not because we have a couple of republican senators that have finally found a spine or because we have a congress that is run by those who hold this presidency accountable. the reason we're surviving is there are people in the streets demanding justice. there are people in the streets who even after an administration illegally gassed them for a photo op, decided to double down and bring even more people to back on this government that's trying to basically grab hold. we're surviving now because people are saying, we're not going to take this, and we will ilcontinue to survive as long as there are thousands of people willing to join us in the streets and say, we will push back against any attempts to degrade our democracy. >> final question. do you think mattis should have spoken out sooner? >> well, you know, when you're looking for allies, the best thing you can do is bring them on as soon as you can and be happy they're brought on. i've had my incidents with general mattis. i voted against his confirmation. got a lot of stuff from other marines for it. but right now we're dealing with an existential threat. let's be happy who we have on this team. this is one team, one fight. let's save democracy and save this beautiful country that we have inherited from thousands of people putting their lives on the line. >> congressman ruben gallego, state of arizona, thank you so much for your time, congressman. >> thank you for having me. up next, the power of protest as people continue to take to the streets in minneapolis and around the country. new charges against all four officers involved in george floyd's death. the latest next. ♪ ♪ ♪ the calming scent of lavender by downy infusions calm. laundry isn't done until it's done with downy. the xfinity voice remote will find exactly that.for, happy stuff. the group's happy, i'm happy. you can even say a famous movie quote and it will know the right movie. circle of trust, greg. relax, the needles are jumping. you can learn something new any time. education. and if you're not sure what you're looking for, say... surprise me. just ask "what can i say" to find more of what you love with the xinity voice remote. this is the ninth night of protests since a minneapolis police officer put his knee on the neck of george floyd, killing him. that officer, derek chauvin, was almost immediately fired, but it took four days until he was charged with third-degree murder the three other officers with him were not charged. today we got a huge development on that front. minnesota attorney general keith ellison announced he is elevating that third-degree murder charge to a second-degree murder charge. he's also charging the other three officers involved in george floyd's death with aiding and abetting murder. both of which are crucially in line with the floyd family. >> with the floyd family, to our beloved community, to everyone that is watching, i say, george floyd mattered. he was loved. his family was important. his life had value. and we will seek justice for him and for you, and we will find it. >> i don't know if you've had time to look at a criminal complaint against the officers who killed george floyd but it paints a harrowing picture of his last moments. quote the defendant had his knee on mr. floyd's neck for 8 minutes 46 seconds in total. 2 minutes 53 seconds of this was after mr. floyd was nonresponsive. bystanders who recorded what was happening begged the officer to get off floyd's neck saying, according to a "new york times" transcript, quote, how long y'all got to hold him down? you're stopping his breathing right there, bro. today's news about attorney general keith ellison elevating the charges to second-degree murder, charging the other three charges, comes against the backdrop of tens of thousands of people in the streets and cities large and small, all over, all 50 states, protesting against injustice, calling for police accountability, and to end racialized policing. there has been a smaller group of people who have caused destruction, significant destruction, looting. in minnesota there were fires, but community leaders have tamped down that part of the story. so we're starting to see now, a week and a few days into this, concrete action. just yesterday the minneapolis school board voted unanimously to terminate the contract with the police department. we've seen tangible victories, even if symbolic, of that across the country. ap reported the governor of virginia is planning to announce the removal of a statue of confederate robert e. lee from richmond. in birmingham they took down a century-old confederate monument. in philadelphia they took down the statue of the infamous demagogue mayor frank rizzo who encouraged people to "vote white." protesters had defaced it earlier in the week. there are many ways protest movements like this which aren't super organized, there are many ways it can go. there are many reasons it felt like this headed in the right direction. i was in ferguson, missouri, six years ago. a lot of these protests remind me of what we saw in ferguson. there was a mass protest movement there. then on the edges there was real mayhem. scary at times. ultimately the protest movement is what lasted and endured and was channeled into concrete political power. like what happened last night when the people of ferguson elected their first black mayor in the city's history. joining me for more on the possible victories and the limitations is nicole hannah jones, domestic correspondent focusing on racial injustice. early they year she won the pulitzer prize for writing on the legacy of african-americans in the united states. i wonder what you think as you watch this news come in, if you saw the press conference from keith ellison, on the role of street protests in pushing people in power. >> i think it's had a tremendous role. when we look at how rarely we see charges against police officers, how rarely we see these types of charges, and we certainly don't see them happening this quickly, it is obvious that the sustained nature of the protests and how the protests have spread to all 50 states has helped lead us to this moment. >> you've been writing a bit about the sort of ways in which previous eras of protest movements, the ways they were characterized, the sort of fact that nonviolent protesting sat side by side, property destruction, fires, in some cases looting, and the sort of full narrative that gets pictured about that. what do you think about the story being told here when you do have those two things side by side? peaceful protesters, tens of thousands of them. windows smashed, looting in like my home borough of the bronx, small businesses. how do you think about the full picture and how it's being communicated to the american public? >> so these type of protests reveal deep societal rifts. and so the idea that they will always be quote-unquote nonviolent i think doesn't speak to what causes these protests in the first place. and also the attention that we're paying to them. had these protests remained nonviolent, there was no property damage, there were no clashes with the police, we would not see the back-to-back coverage that we've seen. we would not see the sustained media spotlight. and we know that to be true. so part of it -- and again, i clearly have to explicitly state this these days. i am not condoning nor advocating property destruction. but we do know that that destruction is often what brings the sustained attention and that people can protest peacefully, as dr. king did, and when there was not violence, in his case, the media largely gets bored and moves on. in some ways you clearly don't want to see destruction, but it can be effective in bringing about change. >> what do you think about the sort of trajectory of street movement and street struggle and political power? there's a complicated story about that trajectory, a complicated story about african-american political leaders and african-american police chiefs and mayors and the attorney general in minnesota, keith ellison, who got his start as an anti-police brutality activist, we should note. how significant is it what happened today, and how meaningful is that political power? >> that political power can be extremely meaningful. but not necessarily. so it's clearly important to have black people, having law enforcement agencies police iin leadership over black cities. that doesn't necessarily stop police brutality. black police officers are capable of behaving brutality toward black citizens. black mayors and black leaders sometimes allow that type of behavior. but access to that political power is important. to have a black law enforcement official, the highest law enforcement official in the state, be able to say, i'm actually going to strengthen this murder charge against this police officer, speaks to why this representation is necessary. i'm assuming why you're saying it's complicated is that we know black people largely came into political power in these cities because of white flight, and there was a withdrawal of white political power, then black people had to fill that vacuum with a declining tax base, a lot fewer resources, and a poorer population. a double-edged sword as well. >> we're watching protests continue at this moment. there are folks in -- all along the west coast in san francisco, in los angeles. you've been seeing some of those images on your screen. this is denver at the moment. i'm curious what you make of it. it is striking as someone who covered the protests in ferguson and in baltimore how resolutely multi-racial the people on the streets are. it is really -- you can just see it. and it's striking and it was not quite that, really in ferguson or baltimore. there are a lot of white folks on the street side by side with african-american people, asian american, latino, indigenous. it really is like a full representation. i wonder what you make of that. >> i think there's a lot of things going on. i think one of the big things is who we have in the white house right now. where before maybe white americans didn't understand how deeply their fates were tied to the marginalized people. i think there's a realization of that, that this is a country that is not going in the direction that many white americans want either, and that you have to have multi-racial organizing in order to make that happen. i think the pandemic definitely played a role. people have been cooped up. being able to come out in support of something important, that matters, i think that's been really critical. and i guess the last thing that i would say is, we have seen a lot of police killings. i don't know that in my lifetime i've seen one so terrifyingly callous. i think it was the nature of that video, to watch a police officer with his hands in his pocket, with a totally nonchalant face, knee on a man for 8:46, nearly 3 minutes of that where he is not moving -- you have to not have a heartbeat not to be deeply, deeply disturbed by that. i think people just decided, this is enough. >> i think that is exceedingly on the money. nicole hannah jones, by the way, i've texted to you but not spoken to you since the pulitzer, congratulations. i don't think there's any prizes left for you to win at this point. congratulations. well deserved, well earned. >> thank you so much. ahead, did a new york police union really just declare war on its own city in a public message that everyone could read? 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hair. >> after a week of protests across the country, we've seen a lot, a lot, a lot of really unnerving stories and videos of police violence and police instigating against demonstrators, police snatching people and arresting them clearly just for speech, after they said a thing they didn't like. here's what the leadership of a police union in the largest city in the country saying. quote, we will win this war on new york city. i guess you could charitably say against new york city, they're going to win it. that's not what that sounds like. think about that. their job is to protect and serve new york city, not defeat it in a war. but it's not a one-off. this is the way new york police unions talk all the time. all day long on twitter. in fact, it's basically the way that every police union everywhere, as far as i can tell, talks. like they're in a war. like some segment of the citizenry is their enemy. they must defeat. after the death of michael brown in ferguson, a st. louis police union official said demonstrators quote want dead cops and that was their goal all along. death of freddie gray, compare protesters to a lynch mob because they called for the officers to be jailed. after the death of a 12-year-old child, tamir rice, cleveland police patrolman's association president said, tamir rice is in the wrong and called him, a 12-year-old, quote, menacing. this is the same guy who referred to the citizens of cleveland as the dregs of society. this is just standard fare. standard. and it's not just rhetoric. these organizations are some of the most powerful municipal institutions in every city in the country. and you can elect a reform mayor, you can put a reformer as a police commissioner, and they're still going to have to go through the police union. in fact, that's kind of what happened in minneapolis. where they have this reformer, the current police chief, a soft-spoken african-american police chief. and the head of the police union is this guy. seen here at 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councilman about why it took so long. minneapolis city councilmember steve fletcher joins me now. thanks for joining us, councilmember. maybe you can start by giving us a little context about policing and the minneapolis police department in your city even before george floyd's death and the latest protests. >> absolutely. so we have been struggling with police accountability for many, many years. we have known it was a problem. many of us on the city council ran on police reform and on police accountability. this is not the first person to die at the hands of the minneapolis police department. it is certainly the one that is the clearest about it being just utterly unacceptable and indefensib indefensible so i think this has sparked a new level of outrage. but this is something we have been working on. as i talked about it, something that i've been trying to in incremental ways begin to chip away at, begin to think about. what functions of the police could we replace with other kinds of responses? what ways can we create accountability to make sure there's discipline for abuse of power and misuse of the use of force? it's been very challenging. >> what has happened when you have attempted things like, for instance, cutting police budgets? this is something that's kind of sacrosanct in many cities around the country. police take of 40% to 50% of the total budget for the entire city. what is the organized opposition from the police department and the police union been like when there are any attempts to do that? >> the ironic thing is we weren't even proposing a cut to their budget, we were proposing a cut to a proposed increase. it felt to me like it was probably insufficiently progressive for even what i had run on, in some ways. and we still had -- they're very good at organizing a base of sort of law and order conservatives and also scaring people by either implying that they'll be aggressive about enforcement about something, or slow down enforcement about something. i started getting calls saying, hey, there's a guy sitting in our parking lot, stalking one of my employees, we're calling 911 and they're saying, oh, we can't do anything about it, talk to your councilmember. >> hm. >> you know, people get scared. it's understandable. >> we have seen very concerted activities, slowdowns, particularly in baltimore after freddie gray. there was obviously a concerted slowdown. this also happened in chicago if you look at arrest data. what do you see as the sort of solution here? the political capital here is a combination of the organization of the union and the leadership and the political capital police have and the fact that people tend to -- there's a lot of people in a city who respect the police or want police to be in their neighborhood, there are many who don't. how do you see the sort of way through this? >> well, first of all, i object to calling them a union. the minneapolis police federation does not call itself a union. they do not affiliate with the labor movement or with other unions. they're not members of the minnesota aflcivity o. in fact, the minnesota afl-cio called on bob krull to resign, the president of the federation. i think it's very important that we not confuse this, because i think there's a danger, and part of what's protected them for so long is that none of us want to take away hard-fought labor rights by passing big changes to labor law in order to get at the police federation. and at the same time, we have to do something so that it's at least possible when we have a good chief who wants to reform the department and create a new culture, he has to be able to fire people who won't get with that culture. and we have arbitrators sending people back after they've beat someone in handcuffs. so i don't know how we could possibly govern a department where you can't even fire somebody who abuses use of force. >> final question for you. bob krull, head of that federation, he was on stage with donald trump in your city when trump had a big -- what kind of figure is he in your city? what is the -- what does it mean to have that picture, that be the sort of face of the police federation? >> you know, he is certainly artful at stirring up controversy. i think that he likes it. i think that it helps him win influence in spheres outside of minneapolis. i car honsider him a distractiot least most of the time. he's frankly not particularly politically influential in minneapolis. but he is very artful at sending out signals like this to his supporters so that he can identify the people who he can sort of stir up and get behind him. and he's good at doing it. he used to use the neighborhood organizations. i'll tell you the neighborhood organizations are writing letters, calling on us to defund the police. it's been a real sea change in public opinion. and rightly so. we all have to reckon with what happened to george floyd this week. and what we failed to prevent. >> wow. minneapolis city councilmember steve fletcher. that was really, really, really illuminating. thank you so much for making time. >> thank you for covering this, it's important. still ahead, new fears about a spike in coronavirus as thousands pack the streets to protest. we'll talk about that next. frustrated that clean clothes you want to wear always seem to need an iron? next time try bounce wrinkle guard dryer sheets. just toss it in the dryer to bounce out wrinkles. we dried these shorts with bounce wrinkle guard, and a pair without. the bounce wrinkle guard shorts have fewer wrinkles and static, and more softness. it's the world's first mega sheet that does the job of three dryer sheets. it also comes in unscented. if you don't love bounce wrinkle guard, we'll give you your money back. as we have been saying over and over and over, over the last week and a half, keep watching while thousands of people gathered in protests, sometimes very close together, that the coronavirus hasn't gone anywhere. we are still in the midst of a global pandemic. the virus hasn't gone away. health officials do think that outdoor transmission is considerably less risky than indoors, that's what the most recent data and studies tend to suggest, and a lot of people protesting, as you can see have been wearing masks but there are a lot of people shouting and chanti chanting and we know that is something that accelerates spread and there is a real worried about super-spreading events. the top 25 hot spots across the country have had protests. and an oklahoma state football player who had attended a protest in tulsa tweeted he was positive for covid-19. we will see what happens in the next week or two as we are basically conducting this big national experiment with large gatherings outdoors in the middle of the pandemic. joining me is dr. peter hotez, at baylor college of medicine. doctor, we've had you on a bunch throughout this entire pandemic, over the last several months. what do you think, put aside the social context, the righteousness, the nature of the protests, the balance of risks, just as an epidemiological matter, about what you see, when you sigh these large groups of people close together outdoors. >> right, so before i directly answer your question, i just want to also remind everyone, that remember the reason why these protests are happening in the first place, is to protest structural racism, not only for the police, but in fact, covid-19 is disproportionately affecting the african-american community. african-americans have a three-times higher death rate from covid-19, than white populations, and in washington, d.c., it is six times higher. we can talk about the reasons for that. but covid-19 is designating african-american communities, and that is actually in my opinion actually a component of the protests. we know that covid-19 is on the rise still in multiple states. it's on the rise in california. it's on the rise in texas. and there's no question, having these protests will act as an accelerant. by that, it may speed up the rise, and it may speed up the amplitude, meaning the number of total cases. elsewhere, covid-19's on the decline, like in new york city, and that could delay the decline. so i am very concerned, and i'm especially concerned about the protesters, because a lot of them will be disproportionately affected by covid-19. >> there's some concern about states distinct from the protests themselves. or the protests, seeing this, there are states where we're seeing increases, and it doesn't seem to be because of the protests. this is something that seems to be baked in before. arizona, for instance, the five day moving average of new cases there is pretty worrying. arizona is a place that under the governor opened early, and one of the places that was opening as it was rising, still, which is a handful of states. where is the u.s. right now in suppression of the virus, because i feel like we kind of, both societally and also from a policy perspective, we kind of got two thirds of the way, and then kind of like it's done now. >> that's right. and a lot of states, what happened was we were looking at the possibility of containment mode, one new case per million residents per day but many governors said we can't wait any longer, we've got to open it up, and now the cases are starting to rise. we're starting to see a rise in texas and in place, some of the numbers projectrd pretty scary, in terms of later in the summer and in the fall of the number of cases so overall, you know, some people will often say, hey, we're seeing a decline, across the country, but so much of that is because we're still having aggressive social distancing, and in many parts of the northeast, that got hit so hard, but most of the country, the cases have either leveled off, or they're rising, and so the expectation is, all right, later in the summer, and fall, we'll see a steep rise, and remember how it works, it's not like you get a lot of notice. it's not like a linear increase, a little more each day, a little more each day, what happens is it continues to stay flat and people become more complacent and say we got this, we're behind, this and then you're going to see the steep rise, and the worry of course, is that by the summer, later in the summer or fall, what you saw in new york will be replicated in multiple cities across the united states. and it is really important to remember that while the crowds, as part of the protests, may accelerate some of that, a lot of this unfortunately is inevitable anyway, because we have not, we have not adequately done that social distancing, and kept it in place. and once again, it's going to be the african-american, hispanic communities, that bear the brunt of this rise, because it is very hard to maintain social distancing, in crowded neighborhoods, and the underlying co-morbidities hypertension, renal disease, and remember how this virus is decimated jails and so we incarcerate african-american population at a very high rate so i'm very concerned. >> dr. peter hotez as we are looking at these images of crowds and i can't get that thought out of my mind, i really appreciate you coming onned on it. thank you. >> thank you. if you've been at one of those protests and you have testing capacity in your state, go get a test. that's a good idea. that is all in for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. thank you, my friend. and thanks to you at home for being with us this hour. happy to have you here. tonight in a couple of minutes, we will be speaking with minnesota attorney general keith ellison, who announced today enhanced charges for the one minneapolis police officer who had already been charged in the death of george
three, two, one, zero, ignition. lift-off. go nasa, go spacex. god bless bob and doug. a new era for space travel, as the first ever comercial rocket carrying people into space is successfully launched. the uk government defends plans to ease lockdown, as scientific advisors say they fear restrictions are being lifted too quickly. i believe this is also a very dangerous moment. we have to get this right. the public in general to actually follow the guidance, don't tear the pants out of it and don't go further than the guidance actually says. renaissance in pisa. europe's most famous landmark is reopened following the coronavirus pandemic. welcome to bbc news. there is no sign at all of an end the protests that have spread all over the united states in the last five days. they began to mark the death of george floyd, an african—american man from minneapolis who died as a police officer knelt on his neck. some have now turned violent, with buildings set alight, shops looted, and police vehicles set alight. riot officers in los angeles have clashed with protesters. crowds have also gathered in new york, chicago and philadelphia, and for a second day, protesters are converging on the white house in washington. in several cities, curfews have been imposed in an effort to prevent further violence. the tzar live pictures from minneapolis, we are an hour into that curfew and you can see that is what it looks like. —— these are live pictures. tear gas has been fired by police as people have been ignoring the requests of officials there to go home and to state at home. we will stay with these pictures of minneapolis. lets speak to dan mihalopoulos, an investiagtive reporter for wbez chicago, the city's national public radio station. thank you very much forjoining us. thank you very much forjoining us. can you tell us what is happening, what has been happening, what has been happening, where you are? well, i have been here all day and they have been large protests, but also violent protests here in chicago. i have seen cars, police vehicles burned. they have been some confrontations between police and protesters, a lot of graffiti on government buildings and high—end stores. the mare had pleaded for the process to be peaceful, she said she agreed with all the problems that the protesters we re problems that the protesters were pointing out, but now she is very angry at the reaction of the protesters, the confrontations with police, and a curfew just began confrontations with police, and a curfewjust began here a few minutes ago —— mayor. a curfewjust began here a few minutes ago -- mayor. 0k, that's interesting you mentioned that. so the curfew has just began. how do the police, the authorities there, try and implement it if so many people are still out on the streets 7 people are still out on the streets? yes, there are still quite a few people out on the street. you can see some of them behind me. theyjust clashed with police about half a block away here, and i guess the police will try to start clearing the streets. they have raised the bridges that go over the chicago river, and then a number of other things earlier in the day to try to isolate different groups of protesters from one another. and dan, this is going to be a very difficult question, but authorities have been talking all day about the difference between peaceful protesters and people out to make trouble. have you seen any difference? can you spot people, any difference, just how is that? yes, it's very difficult. you know, what you have here was a large crowd that was peaceful in large part, but there were a number of people who were vandalising buildings, asi of people who were vandalising buildings, as i mentioned. i just saw a united states postal service vehicle that had a message to skin jump alive graffiti on it. —— skin trump alive. as i mentioned, there we re alive. as i mentioned, there were a number of police vehicles that were lit on fire and they did seem to be targeting some of the high—end stores a couple of blocks behind me in an area called the magnificent mail, which is the main shopping strip, with stores like cartier and such. it is mostly protesting against police brutality, but also a number of people obviously hoping for other structural changes. i am on live right now. and dan, if you can still hear me, any sense of numbers? i know it is difficult, you can't be everywhere at once, but just give can't be everywhere at once, butjust give our viewers watching around the world a sense of how many people are involved here. well, there were thousands of people, and one of the protesters of those thousands just interrupted me to tell me about the curfew, but we are about to... dan, we have just lost you just at the end there. we got an absolute sense of what you are saying and that there were thousands of people out on the streets. and, thank you very much for speaking to us, and to stay safe out there on the streets of chicago. let's ta ke let's take you back to those live pictures of minneapolis, because this is the epicentre of events there and they have been thousands of people on the streets there, and we have seen the curfew be ignored by many of them. and clashes with police as we are ticking now towards the evening and the nighttime across the united states, as the light begins to fade. we will see how that affects people out on the streets. i've been speaking to david mindich, who is a professor ofjournalism. hejoined us from downtown philadelphia, where protests are taking place. yeah, so i'm standing right in front of city hall. city hall's behind me, where the protest began at noon. i was there. it was very peaceful. people were socially distancing and chanting, passionate, but there was no overturning cars and things like that. later, a couple of police cars were set on fire. behind me, there's a starbucks that was torched, and there's a fire engine behind me that just put out the flames about an hour ago. so it was a very tense situation in downtown philadelphia just even about an hour ago. and talk us through the situation with curfews. we know they're trying to be imposed in cities across the us. yeah, i haven't heard there's a curfew in philadelphia. the philadelphia police really restrained themselves. i thought it was actually impressive that both sides didn't seem to have too many confrontations, except for that things were — there's graffiti all over the place, a couple of cars were overturned. so there was a lot of physical damage, but i haven't heard report of injuries or deaths in downtown philadelphia. just give us a sense of the atmosphere, then. you've described what has been happening. how are you feeling safety—wise? i feel relatively safe. i live a block away from here. philadelphia is built around city hall, so city hall is the very centre of philadelphia, and that's where most of the protests happen. and that's where it began today. and then the protesters marched to the museum area, where there's a larger protest, and then that's where i heard more rioting began. and i should also say that philadelphia has a long tradition of unrest between the police and the communities. there was actually a bombing of a compound in 1985, and the police commissioner, then mayor, whose statue stands right in front of city hall, was responsible for dropping a bomb on this community that really dispersed and destroyed a lot of homes. frank rizzo was the police commissioner, then mayor, and his statue — protesters tried to tear it down today, but the police came in and stopped them. david filling us in on the situation in philadelphia. he said there was not a curfew at that time, we believe that is now one of the cities which does have a curfew in place. in seattle, despite mayorjenny durkan declaring an emergency citywide curfew from 5:00pm to 5:00am, "to prevent violence, property damage, and to prevent the spread of covid—i9", protesters have continued to gather in the hundreds. vehicles including police cars have been set on fire, and vandalism and looting has been seen in the city centre. police have been firing tear gas to disperse the crowds, though many have detiantly stayed put. protecting the lives of black people and people of colour, we need to be here to defend the american people. and the police officers are not doing it. there is going to be radical lists of every direction, and it doesn't matter if it is left oi’ it doesn't matter if it is left or right, but it is about being here, and standing up for the lives that are being hurt in the street just for lives that are being hurt in the streetjust for being black —— radicalists. yes, we need to be safe, sorry, guys. seems there in seattle. let's go to washington, and you can see darkness is setting in, just gone 10pm there, and another stand—off between protesters with their hands in the airand protesters with their hands in the air and police. earlier on in daylight hours there were protesters behind barricades, against the wall of police officers there as well, not too far away from the white house. let's go now to los angeles. let's go now to los angeles. let's check in with what is happening there. it is just 7:10pm there, of course, with the different time zones across the different time zones across the states, states, so a little earlier, little more daylight, and it seems there are fire engines putting out a fire. we have seen over the last couple of nights buildings set on fire in different cities, vehicles set on fire in different cities, and earlier on in los angeles, it was actually one of the first place this afternoon where we saw a police car on fire ina where we saw a police car on fire in a row of ten or so, doesn't police cars, that were all vandalised and damaged. a cu rfew was all vandalised and damaged. a curfew was ordered in parts of the city of los angeles, like many cities across the usa right now. that curfew may be keeping some people at home, but certainly not others. hundreds and thousands of people on the streets across the us. let's go to minneapolis now, of course, the epicentre of these protests. there have been quiet and peaceful protests throughout the day, with people marching, people saying the phrase i can't breathe, which of course was the phrase that george floyd said, the unarmed black man who was held down, the back of his neck, in the street in minneapolis, and died later. so they were using his words and they were laying flowers a nd words and they were laying flowers and giving speeches, but in minneapolis, the authorities there wanted a cu rfew, authorities there wanted a curfew, they wanted that to be listened to, and it doesn't seem that has happened. the protesters have gathered there and stayed there throughout this evening. let's speak to tom scheck, investigative reporter for minnesota public radio. just checking you can hear me, first of all. i can, thank you. great stuff, so thank you very much for being with us. just talk as to what is happening there now. if you go this way about two blocks, what you're basically going to see is the minneapolis fifth police precinct, and there's a lot of protest there throughout the day to day. what ended up happening 30 minutes ago is the police started to shoot teargas, some rubber bullets, and they have dispersed the crowd. we saw a heavy police presence kind of moving and dispersing a crowd that had several hundred, if not thousands, of people. and at that point, the crowd has dispersed throughout the area. so now there's people shooting fireworks, there's people driving quickly up and down the roads, and we're still trying to get a good sense of what the police are going to be doing next. tom, tom, just talk us through this curfew. it was supposed to be in place about an hour ago. did just have no effect at all, or did of people actually head home? so there we re actually head home? so there were some people who did head home, but there were a lot of people here who were violating the curfew, who decided to stay. my colleague who was at the fifth precinct earlier said that he talked to a lot of people who said, no, we're not going to leave. we want to protest what happened here a few days ago and we want to keep up the pressure on police to arrest three more police officers who have not been arrested yet. and so what has happened is the governor of the state of minnesota has called in the national guard. he is also... the mayor of minneapolis has also said there is going to be a heavier police presence here tonight. they are not going to mess around. they are going to try and bring more ordered to the city, because frankly in the last few nights there wasn't this presence that occurred this early. and is it your sense, tom, you know, the problem with trying to enforce a curfew like this, even with more numbers of police and national guard, is if you have too many people into many different locations, it is just a real tactical struggle to actually impose a curfew. right, look, and the governor talked about this, and the difficulties of it today, the governor of minnesota, because he said what ends up happening is there is a police presence, they come in, they knock out a bunch of people, the people dispersed, the police go to another area, and then what ends up happening is those folks gather again or they go toa folks gather again or they go to a different area. and so that's the frustration that law enforcement has at this time. but the protesters say they have a right to be out here, they feel like they have the ability to be out here, and so they are still here. 0k, tom. we will leave it there, but thank you so much. that is a really clear explanation of a fairly chaotic situation on the ground there in the city, but thank you very much for talking to us. we will leave the protests for the time being. the first commercial spacecraft to carry people into space has successfully launched from cape canaveral in florida. the capsule, built by elon musk‘s spacex, has two astronauts onboard, and they are now on their way to the international space station. the astronauts have been live streaming a little tour of their capital. take a look... now that we are in zero gravity, we were requested to do a backflip, i am going to do a side spin which is a little bit of a permutation on that request so hopefully you can see what it is like to actually float in zero gravity. and it was notjust doug and i who accomplished the launch here, we have others aboard. we have this apatosaurus with us. we have two boys who are super interested collecting dinosaurs between the two of us and the apatosauraus made the trip into space today with us and that is a supercool thing for us, for us to do with both of our sons. that was the astronauts both having quite a good time as you can see from that. interestingly, they are able to relax because they are spinning around above us. but at the launch things were slightly more tense because it was a significant moment. these are steps towards a new era of space flight. nasa's doug hurley and bob behnken the first astronauts to launch from american soil in almost a decade. and this is the rocket — built by spacex, a company about to make history by carrying people into space. bob, doug, have an amazing flight. and enjoy those views of our beautiful planet. three, two, one, zero, ignition, lift off! the falcon 9 and crew dragon. go nasa. go spacex. godspeed, bob and doug! this is a huge step for us. it's a huge step for the commercial ventures. and i think it's important for the world to realise that we're going into space to stay and we're going to continue on to then the moon and then on to mars. looks like we saw a zero g indicator... about ten minutes into the flight and the pull of the earth has gone... dragon separation confirmed. ..and then the final stage of the rocket gently detaches. dragon is now officially making its way to the international space station today. but this is just the start. they have to come home safely and make sure that all the systems, the parachutes and everything gets them home safely, it is not until the mission is back on earth that we will know that it's been a complete success. thanks for flying with falcon 9 today. we hope you enjoyed the ride. good luck and godspeed. for the astronauts, their journey is just beginning. the future of private space flight has truly arrived. rebecca morelle, bbc news. the number of recorded coronavirus cases around the world has now passed six million. the latest milestone was announced by john hopkins university in the united states. more than 367,000 people are known to have died, with the us continuing to top the list of both infections and deaths. brazil, russia, the united kingdom, spain and italy are the other worst affected countries. brazil itself has posted another record number of confirmed cases in the past 2a hours with more than 33,000. it's also recorded a further 956 deaths in the last day, bringing the total number there to more than 28,800, which is more than france. england's deputy chief medical officer, has warned the nation is facing a "very dangerous moment" in the fight against coronavirus. professorjonathan van tam said the scientific consensus was that easing the lockdown in england next week would not affect the infection rate, but he urged the public not to "tear the pants" out of the new guidelines. 0ur political correspondent, chris mason, has this report. helen's bay beach in county down today. in northern ireland and in scotland, groups are already allowed to gather outside. england and wales will follow on monday. new rules grant us more freedom, but require us to make morejudgements about what is safe. in bournemouth, the lure of the beach, the challenge of social distancing. in york, the prize of a pint, and, yes, exactly the same challenge. with the number of coronavirus cases falling, ministers say the time is right for a more liberal approach, but some of those advising our political leaders have concerns. if we make multiple releases of the lockdown at the same time, we won't know what is causing the inevitable jump in cases. and we don't have an established "test, track and isolate" process to follow these people up. so we're at a very risky point, where we could take the lid off a pot that is still bubbling in places, and it risks overflowing in these places. regent's park in london earlier, and primrose hill too, as the labour mayors of london and greater manchester also worry loosening the rules has come too soon. so, at this afternoon's government news conference, iasked... what do you say to those scientists and others who say that you're easing the lockdown in england too quickly? we haven't got that much headroom. that's why the prime minister has been clear that we need to proceed in a very cautious way. i believe, and you'll recall i was at the podium when the disease activity was very high in the uk, and i said it's a very dangerous moment. i believe this is also a very dangerous moment. we have to get this right. the public in general to actually follow the guidance, don't tear the pants out of it, and don't go further than the guidance actually says. professor van—tam knows how to turn a phrase and make a point. he was also asked directly about dominic cummings, the prime minister's most senior advisor, who among other things drove 50 miles to test his eyesight during the lockdown. the rules are clear, and they have always been clear. in my opinion, they are for the benefit of all, and in my opinion, they apply to all. questions about mr cummings keep coming. questions about loosening the lockdown will, too. chris mason, bbc news. the leaning tower of pisa is among the tourist attractions in italy that's re—opened after an easing of coronavirus restrictions. however, numbers will be limited to 15 at a time and all visitors will be provided with an electronic device which goes off if someone breaches social distancing rules. matt graveling reports. this famous landmark has never been short of support. tower of pisa attracts 5 million tourists to the area this year until it was closed three months ago in italy's response to the coronavirus pandemic. translation: we need to reason. pisa needs to restart. the tower is the symbol of these start. on saturday, the first step of the restart began in fa ct step of the restart began in fact the first of more than 280 steps as people climb within tower again. translation: we came from florence on purpose because we think we can fight the virus by starting again. the reopening comes as italy, one of the countries most hit by the coronavirus, eases measures but with only 15 people in at one time, it is not quite business as usual. translation: we have relied on technology and on this electronic tool, a tag activated which begins to vibrate when two people climbing the spiral staircase come too close to each other. 30 years ago, the tower closed for work to prevent a collapse. it is hoped this reopening will also signal a more stable future. translation: this is an exceptional event, comparable to the reopening in 2001 after 11 years of closure. we want to give an important signal to the country, we are moving forward into the name of great beauty. great beauty will save italy. matt graveling, bbc news. let's go back to the united states. waves of protests taking place across the city ‘s of the united states. this is los angeles, fires have been burning not just los angeles, fires have been burning notjust in los angeles but other cities. in la there we re but other cities. in la there were peaceful protests earlier in the day. roads were blocked as people came out onto the street and then please because we re street and then please because were destroyed. about a dozen of them in one street. 0ne were destroyed. about a dozen of them in one street. one set on fire and it seems other fires have been burning as well. a curfew is in place officially in los angeles and about a dozen other cities right across the united states. it may be keeping some people at home but not all. thousands are still in the streets, still protesting and still angry. this is bbc news. hello there. saturday brought more dry, sunny, and warm weather across the whole of the united kingdom. now, it was a fine end to the day in london and west london did quite well for temperatures. heathrow got up to 26 degrees. but for the most part on saturday, the highest temperatures were across the north and the west of the uk with kinloch here in the highlands of scotland, the nation's hotspot with highs of 27. we're going to see similar kind of temperatures for these western areas as we get on into sunday as well. now over the next few hours, most of us are going to keep the clear skies but probably some low cloud and some fog begin to push onto the eastern shores of scotland and although temperatures in the towns and cities between around 8—13 degrees, in the countryside the coldest spots get down to about 3 degrees so it will be quite chilly for some of you to start sunday morning. sunday, well, that low cloud and fog can take the first few hours of the morning to clear away from east scotland. maybe a bit of mistiness as well in north—east england. but otherwise, a sunny start to the day and a sunny afternoon. now, the highest temperatures in scotland probably again to the north—west of the country, the highlands doing ok with highs probably reaching around 25—26 degrees celsius here. you might see another 23 or 2a for westernmost areas of northern ireland. and some of the highest temperatures in england across western areas along with wales too. you could see highs locally hitting around 27. now, for monday's forecast, the high pressure is still in charge of our weather, so we've got more of that dry weather to come. more of the sunshine as well. temperatures still on the high side for the time of year, looking at highs of 2a in glasgow, 26 or so in cardiff, but from then on we're going to start to see the weather changing somewhat because an area of low pressure is going to start to develop to the north of the uk and move in as we head towards tuesday and wednesday. so, that is going to be bringing some cloudy skies with rain or showers pushing southwards and as well as that, the area is going to be getting cooler. so temperatures will be coming back down close to normal for the time of year, and normal isn't something we've seen for quite a long time. so, scotland is going to be cooling down as you can see, there will be some rain and showers around as well as we go through tuesday and wednesday. perhaps some of the heaviest rain actually working through during tuesday night. further southwards across england and wales, still hanging onto some warm sunshine on tuesday but the change comes really on wednesday with thicker cloud. again, rain or showers working in. that's your latest weather. this is bbc news, the headlines: protestors and police have clashed as curfew orders are ignored in minneapolis and several other us cities. there are now curfews in place in 13 us cities. demonstrators are calling forjustice after the killing of african american, george floyd, by a police officer. england's deputy chief medical officer has warned of a "very dangerous moment" in the fight against coronavirus. professorjonathan van tam said easing the lockdown would not affect the infection rate, but he urged the public not to "tear the pants" out of the new guidelines. the first commercial spacecraft to carry people into space has successfully launched from cape canaveral in florida. the capsule, built by elon musk‘s spacex, has two astronauts onboard, and they are now on their way
from police cars set on fire, canisters launched into crowds from angry protesters and buildings and businesses and on and on. torched by people who couldn't find another way to express themselves. america already in crisis is seeing chaos this weekend. from l.a. to new york to seattle to miami throngs of people really forgetting all about social distancing. they're packing the streets. to show their anger over the death of george floyd. and they're facing off with police and police are trying to break them up. cities all across this country. you're looking at las vegas right now. there are curfews that are in place in atlanta and philadelphia and denver, in louisville. at least 25 cities with curfews tonight. at least six states and washington, d.c. have national guard troops mobilized to help police keep order. if justice three months ago if i had told you we'd be staring down 20% unemployment, that we would be mourning 102,000 dead from a pandemic, that there would be mass protesters, that this would be playing out in washington, d.c. you would not have believed me. and there is washington, d.c. tonight. this is america tonight, everyone. this is america. i want to bring in now the reverend dr. william barber. he joins me now by phone. reverend, thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate it. talk to me about what's going on. i'm frustrated. i am angry. i am confused. and i just -- i am at a loss for words. so talk to me. >> well, don, first of all, all of those are the right emotions. the bible says blessed are they that mourn. and the scripture in jeremiah says the problem is too often we try to put band-aids on wounds and we try to say a thing is already when it's not because we don't face it. then the wounds only become septic. we've got to in this country decide to address five issues. systemic racism, systemic poverty, ecological devastation, lack of health care, the war economy, and this false narrative of religious nationalism. and they all intersect. and it's going to take all of us, red, yellow, black, white, brown, gay, straight, trans, everybody. if you think about it, and i've been weeping tonight as well. before covid, before we get to all of this, we had 140 million poor and low income people in this country and 700 people are dying a day before covid. we weren't talking about it. we weren't addressing it. 80 million people without health care and uninsured. and 500,000 people uninsured, thousands die, we weren't really dealing with it, talking about the middle class or wealthy. then covid hits and we've got all these wounds of racism, wounds of classism. 100,000 people are dead. then we find out that many of them didn't have to die. 50%, 60% of them didn't have to die. in the midst of a pandemic, a health crisis, don, we need help. we need living wages, sick leave. people are being sent in to lethal situations. they aren't being given protective equipment. and what do we do as a country, the congress, the president, 85% of nearly $3.5 trillion went to corporate interests. and people are dying. we gave people a name change from service workers to essential workers and then people have to see a lynching, a literal lynching on tv. so what this is, don, is public mourning. no one wants the fires. even many of the activists on the ground have said they don't want this. but they've also shared how their non-violent pleas and protests have gone unnoticed for years as the situation has gotten out of hand over and over again. and no one knows who's behind this violence. there's a lot of questions. but what we do know, what we do know is that countless people have said change america, change minneapolis, long before this. and some people even saw the non-violent protesters unwelcome development. what we're seeing is public mourning. public mourning. don, i'm going to say something real strange maybe from a moral perspective. mourning like this is actually necessary to get where we need to be. i'm not talking about the fire. i'm talking about the protests. like you said, this country was founded on -- you can't act like the boston tea party didn't look like this. but this mourning, as ugly as it is, is actually a sign of hope. and i'm going to tell you why i say that. because the worst situation for this nation would be for somebody to be killed like george floyd, for 140 million people to be in poverty and dying from poverty at 700 people a day, and nobody mourned. and nobody speak out. and they just accept it. they just accept it. this is what happens when people have experienced the deadliness of racism but not only through police brutality but also the kind of deadliness that racism has in policies over and over again. that's what we're seeing. public mourning. black people six times likelier to die from the virus as white people. even before covid. black people had disparities in health care that cause the death. african-americans three times more likely to die from pollution than other americans. black children suffering from asthma nearly double that of white and the death rate is ten times higher. you cannot have this level of death to continue to happen over and over and over, day in and day out, and not think that eventually there's going to be massive public mourning. and lastly, don, i want to say this. look at the crowds. this mourning is so deep. you know, george lloyd was kind of a tipping point. but it's so deep that white folks are in the street mourning. latino people. men, women, children, young people. what the screams are really saying is look, this is screwed up. something's wrong here. and we may not be able to change it right now but it's not going to go unnoticed. rachel weeping because her children are dying and she is refusing to be comforted. that's what we're seeing. public mourning where people are refusing to be comforted, and america better hear this. we better hear this. >> listen, reverend, i know that this -- you're far more eloquent than i am. i know this can be a catalyst for change. i just don't want people to have to lose their lives as this catalyst is happening. when i say i don't know what's going on, i do. i know what's happening. i just don't -- i just don't understand how it is -- let me put it this way. i'm worried about the process and how it will end, especially with our void in leadership. do you understand where i'm coming from? >> oh, listen, when you have a national leadership and they've allowed him to get away with so much lying and so much vitriol, and when white nationalists march with a kk 47s on the governor, state house, he doesn't say a thing, calms white separatists and supremeists, says there are many good people among them. and even when, you know, he says -- he pulls out that statement, which is a very dangerous statement. i actually think, don, donald trump is playing for the richard nixon george wallace angle at this election now. the 1968 chaos and if he runs, you know, as kind of the law and order. and it's a dangerous thing. you're exactly right. and people need to understand that those that may feel like breaking a window that you may be actually enabling a narrative that trump actually wants. you know, when he says about when the looting starts the shooting will start. but then tip that over. what if he had said instead of saying that when a cop murders someone there will be sure prosecution. what if in this country we had the same commitment to restore law and order when the police murders somebody then we have this commitment to stop destroying of property? what if we had the same commitment to fix when people's lives are being destroyed? we wouldn't see the things we're seeing. i'm worried, don. i'm worried about people being out there with this covid, catching covid, maybe taking it back home. and the only thing that's going to happen is we in this democracy -- i'm with the poor people's campaign, a national call for revival. and even before this, before this happened, we had already been planning for june 2020 a mass poor people's assembly and morl mall march on washington. now it's going to be a digital gathering. but don, this is what we're doing. we're not having a lot of people come pontificate about the poor. we're going to have white coal miners from kentucky standing with black folks from alabama. we're going to have people from white farmers from kansas who will be standing with fast food workers from the carolinas. saying that we've got to address these issues. and we've got to change this narrative. and we have to put a face on poverty. and we're not going to let anybody say as trump said tonight when he said the crown jewel of democracy is the rule of law. that's a lie. the crown jewel of democracy is establishment of justice. it's the providing for the common defense. it's the promoting of the general welfare. it's the ensuring of domestic tranquility. and it's equal protection under the law. this crown has five jewels in its crown. it is not the rule of law. the rule of law were words used by segregationists. when dr. king and rosa parks would march and sit in they would say we have to restore the rule of law. and so we are going to have to have a moral fusion coming together. that's what we're doing with the poor people's campaign. religious people, non-religious people. people who believe in the constitution, scripture, and what we need in this country is a moral mobilization rooted in our deepest nonviolent traditions that shifts this narrative, forces us to see the pain that is existing because of all of the policy denials and policy hurts. and also lastly, don, that will have -- will build power. there are more poor and low wealth people in this country than in any election largin. 23 poor and low wealth people would organize and vote that's the power we have. we've got to do that. and there's got to be a -- not just a political -- >> okay. you've got to let me jump in here. and when i talk about leadership, when i talk about leadership -- and listen, i think that, you know, you are spot on in much of your assessment. okay? and that's your assessment. i also -- when you're talking about poor people, and i am with you. you fight and you are in the trenches for poor people always and have been forever and a day. and that's what i admire and respect about you. in this moment -- and people always will talk you up and say you know, you go, don lemon, you go -- as we're watching arrests, reverend, in salt lake city and there are some that are happening in new york. and i will get to them because these arrests will be happening all night because we have curfew orde i place. so we will put the pictures up and we will let them play out and then we'll get -- yeah. and we will get to them. i'll get to reporters and they'll talk about them. but what i want to say is we can talk about the leadership or the leadership vacuum in washington and that goes from the top because the president is at the top. there is also weak democratic leadership as well. let's be honest about that. >> yes, sir. >> but people love you. don lemon, thank you for calling them out. thank you for speaking the truth. reverend barber, thank you for speaking the truth. but what about the leadership in other places? what about hollywood? strangely quiet. i see them on twitter. oh, i'm loving what don lemon's doing, i'm loving what this person's doing. but they've got to do more than that. especially black celebrities and black leaders. and while celebrities and rich hollywood and rich folks and wealthy people. why aren't they helping these young people? these young people are out there standing on a platform at the edge of an abyss by themselves. and what they're doing -- yes, i'm calling you out. you can be mad at me all you want. you're sitting there watching tv and you're bitching about it. and you're saying oh, my gosh, i can't believe i'm watching this. what is going on? stop texting me and asking me oh, my gosh, don, what is happening to our country? stop tweeting me and telling me i'm loving what you're doing. get on television or do something and help these young people instead of sitting in your mansions and doing nothing and have some moral courage and stop worrying about your reputation and your brand. that's all i've got to say, reverend. and i'm off my high horse. go ahead. >> you're not on a high horse. you're actually as they say in the country, you're plowing deep. let me say that from the political leaders when they talk about poverty and low wealth and these things, they talk about middle class and the wealthy. they won't do it. that's why we're raising up people who will and force it because what has happened is people are feeling left out. you know, don, we have had -- since 2016. you know, not one of them has been -- systemic racism or poverty with over 50% of the children in poverty. those that have celebrity, we have to use our platform. we can't hide behind party -- >> and money is great. i have to say, reverend, a lot of people give money and that is desperately important. but you need -- yes. a lot of people give money and that is important. but you also need visibility is extremely important. because young people need to see people who have made it so that they can understand that they have made it too and they can know publicly, right? that you have their backs. they don't necessarily see the dollars. they may feel it in some ways but they don't see them. if they see you out there they know there's that person like me, there's that oprah like me, there is that jay-z like me. there is that colin kaepernick who is like me who is on television because of the knee and now it is all coming full circle. there is that -- i'm so upset. there even is a kim kardashian who is like me. there is that tracee ellis ross who is like me. and i'm talk pg about all these people who i admire and i love. there is that tyler perry who is like me. there is that -- i can't even think of names right now because i am so infuriated by what is happening. in this country. all of these folks. >> what you're simply saying is there must be -- i was having this same conversation with erica alexander, who has joined the poor people's campaign. you know her as -- and david oyelowo. he's joining the poor people's campaign. this is the time we have to put our presence in the mix. and it's politicians. it's people who stop power. and we've got to say together we're going to hook up. too long, don, there has been an -- i said it's other day. democrats run from poverty. republicans racialize poverty. and too many people deal with the reality of poverty. but it's never dealt with in our public places. that has -- this is about george lloyd. but george lloyd is also so much more. somebody was saying to me tonight, even some of the looters, these are people who have been inside, who've lost their jobs, who don't have money. we don't even know the level of hunger that is existing right now in the midst of covid. you know, we didn't even expand food stamps for people. we didn't expand basic health care. we've got meatpackers that are being forced to go to work that don't even have sick leave and a living wage. and now we have to identify -- i come from a tradition where jesus said inasmuch as you do for the least of these. we have to use ourselves and our position and identify with poor and low wealth people and stand together and fight. but i want you to know, don, that what's going to make that happen and what i see happening and what's getting ready to come is the way i'm seeing the people will have nothing else to lose. i wish that the whole country could go -- and you will see some of it digitally. we had planned to do it on pennsylvania avenue. when i see these white coal miners holding -- hooking up with black people in louisville, kentucky i've seen, that don. >> that's what we need. that's what we need. >> callie greer, who lost her baby, died because alabama wouldn't expand health care. but when i see her join together with this lady from -- who's a teacher making poverty wages in west virginia and saying we're not doing this anymore, we're not going to be separated, we're going to address racism. because we must shift the consciousness of this nation. and don, you're right. everybody, it's your time now. not somebody. everybody. >> everybody. i want to see every -- i want to see every white person of power and influence and wealth out here fighting for this cause and young people. every black person of power and wealth and substance out here fighting for these young people. i'm not talking about the people who are out here looting and causing this but for the people who are -- the young kids who are doing the right thing. by me calling out your name that doesn't mean i'm calling you out. it means i love you, ellen. it means i love you, oprah. and i know they give millions of dollars to charity every year. but i mean your visibility in helping speak out for these people, these young kids. that's what i'm talking about. and you may be doing something and i don't know about it. and if you are then i apologize. want to see you, tracee ellis ross. i want to see you, tyler perry. i want to see you, drake. i want to see all of you. i want to see you, my friend anthony anderson. i love you. i love all of you. i want to see you doing this. i want to see you, diddy, out there doing this. i want to see you, jane fonda, who i love and respect. i want to see you out here fighting for these kids. get them -- do something. help change racism in this country. i've got to go, rev. i've got all these pictures. i've got breaking news. i've got to get to it. i love you. and we've got to get to los angeles. los angeles has fires going on. and you see that. there's looting, fires, violence. chaos. major cities across america tonight. kyung lah's on the ground for us in los angeles. what's going on, kyung? >> reporter: well, don, you've been watching what's been happening at this building. this is a fire from what the police are telling us, they suspect that after the looting takes place they're suddenly having to chase fires. so they're starting to connect the two. are the fires being set after the buildings have been looted? so this is one very large fire that we're seeing. but i want to give you a sense of just what we're seeing on one snapshot, one block if you walk with me here on melrose avenue. so that's one fire. i'm going to turn you this way. as you walk up and down melrose, if you've been through los angeles, you know that it's filled with these stores. stores up and down melrose avenue. and every single one of them the great majority we walked by, they have been completely ransacked. the glass is broken. i don't know how they're getting through. we've seen some bats. and everything inside has been completely emptied. people are climbing in, grabbing shoes. so you saw that one fire. look this way. another fire. so block after block on melrose avenue just where i can see is burning. from what the police department tells us we were just at that first fire. there are three fires in walking distance right here on melrose avenue. so as we watch the fire truck move on this is the largest one -- >> kyung, i understand that this -- yeah, i understand this is a smaller fire, smaller building where you are and if we can get the other picture back up there is another fire as well which is a bigger building. and i do need to confirm this. i understand, and if the producer's in my ear, i am getting it from a source, is this true, that the national guard is arriving at midnight in los angeles. please confirm that for me. kyung is nodding yes. >> reporter: that's per an order from -- yes. that is per an order from the los angeles mayor, eric garcetti, trying to calm down the city right now, trying to bring some order. and protect some of these businesses. something that has been really heartbreaking that i've seen are business owners coming with their kids just to try to save what they can. and remember, we're in the middle of a pandemic. these are businesses that haven't been able to sell what they normally sell. and now some of them are dealing with not just looting but look down there. they're going -- this business is going to have water damage. it's -- i don't even know how they're going to save this particular business. and as you point out, this is just the two that i've been able to see. there are other fires burning on melrose avenue, don. so just where i can walk. i can't even tell you what other parts of the city looks like. so the mayor of los angeles hoping by calling the national guard trying to prevent more scenes like this as we watch the fire department try to take care of this burning building. one last thing, don. i'm going to just walk you this way with me. if you will. it's a little hard to see. but you can see the police line right over there. as -- oops. we're going to watch our back here. sorry. but i'm going to have you turn. you can see the police department there. that was the los angeles police department. as we were walking up just to get pictures of this fire, the los angeles police department had to deal with protesters on the street, trying to clear protesters so that the fire department could move in and work on this fire. so they have their hands full just on this one block, don. watch your back, jordan. >> you're good there, kyung? wasn't sure if you're finished. >> reporter: yeah. sorry. >> you're doing such a great job out there. i was just going to let you continue on with your reporting. but kyung is at the scene of a fire at starbucks. and then again, there's another fire. initially i thought it was the same structure that was on fire. but i'm being told by producers it is two different structures in two different areas of los angeles. our kyung lah is on the scene. brian stelter, right? brian stelter joins us live. i understand you have some information you need to share with us. but i appreciate you joining us here. and i appreciate you helping. everyone should know as long as we're being transparent tonight brian often helps me with reporting. so i appreciate the texts as you are getting information because you have deep sources and i appreciate you helping me during breaking news. >> i think a lot of us are experiencing this at home as viewers. melrose avenue in los angeles, we know walnut street in philadelphia. these are famous neighborhoods in important cities in the united states that are being looted and vandalized right now. and i just want to give people a bigger picture perspective about what is going on. i've been visiting local news sourc sources, checking in with reporters across the country. what we are seeing tonight is the most widespread outbreak of disturbances in america in several generations. we are talking back since 1968. think about new york and l.a. these big cities that are seeing suffering. but this is also happening everywhere from raleigh, north carolina to denver. last night eugene, oregon and fort wayne, indiana. just in the past few hours, don, we've seen acts of vandalism in dallas, texas, charleston, south carolina. oakland, california. tampa bay, florida. we've also seen peaceful protests without any violence at all in baltimore, in orlando, in other major cities. but i think it's important for the viewers to know this is disturbingly widespread. we're talking about relatively small cities like wilmington, delaware where windows have been smashed in recent hours. we're talki aut salt lake city, utah. madison, wisconsin where there was widespread vandalism. there were fires set in reno, nevada and nashville, tennessee. so we're talking about big cities, yes. and it's terrifying to see what's happening in l.a. right now. but we are also seeing these disturbances in small communities. i spoke with douglas brinkley, cnn's presidential historian. he told me we have not seen a spasm of riots like this since the assassination of mlk in 1968. and all of that, don, i think just reiterates the point you were making about the absence of leadersh leadership. where are the leaders in the republican party and the democratic party, in hollywood and on wall street, in local communities? because this is a national problem. it's a widespread national crisis happening in dozens of cities right now. >> and for the most part, brian, silence. i appreciate that. brian, thank you so much. and thank you for bringing the information. and if we need you we'll get back to brian stelter, our chief media correspondent. i have a programming note for you. so a black man dies at the hands of police. why does this keep happening? when will this end? make sure you join me for an important conversation. 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"these last few days have laid bare that we are a nation furious at injustice. every person of conscience can understand the rawness of the trauma people of color experience in this country from the daily indignities to the extreme violence like the horrific killing of george floyd," biden says. but again, a message of -- in the spirit of coming together as americans to stop violence, coming from the presidential candidate, but so far nothing of that nature from the white house after this unrest this evening. >> reporter: yeah. and as he was leaving to florida to watch the spacecraft take off he was asked about the unrest. and that message that you're talking about certainly did not come across. in fact, don, we had been worried about a confrontation here tonight between supporters of the president and the protesters that we've seen tonight in the past few nights because he had tweeted in the morning "maga night at the white house," question mark. maga of course being make america great. a reference to his supporters. and so it sounded like he was summoning his supporters to the white house, the area around the white house, presumably to counter-protest against the demonstrators that we've been seeing out there. and then he also said, as if an attempt to sort of tamp this down and bring african-americans into the fold, he said, "maga loves the black people." and that just obviously sounds so disconnected from the kind of messaging that certainly many of the protesters would like to hear out there. and then when he was asked whether he wanted his supporters to come down there, he claimed that he didn't care. so it was certainly not the message of resolve, of support, of an effort to tamp down this unbelievably high temperature in this country. and then he went off to florida and has returned. we saw the helicopters flying over the protests as he was returning to washington. but have yet to really hear any sort of message from him tonight. as we were saying, these protests, these fires are burning just feet from his front door. >> alexander marquardt covering the news for us from washington, d.c. alexander, thank you very much. we appreciate that. i want to get to philadelphia now, where we find our brian todd. he has been covering the story for us. some pretty post-apocalyptic scenes where you are. fires, looting, chaos, brian. >> that's right, don. i can show you down here on 17th and walnut street. we need these masks for the pandemic. tonight we also need them for all the smoke inhalation we're facing. our photojournalist is going to follow me as close as we can get to this threea larm fire. the water is still being sprayed. we may have to back off. you can see the hoses there still going up into that building trying to fight this fire. we were just told by a firefighter on the scene was that the fire happened at that building and at the black building with the red awning next to it. there's a vans store right there. that's where the fire started. a three-alarm fire that required 120 firefighters to respond to. i asked the firefighter here a short time ago if there were any injuries. he did not have that information. we'll try to get that for you later. but we do have some other information for you here tonight, don. 38 arrests have been made in philadelphia according to the philadelphia police. 22 of those were for footing-related offenses. i've got to believe that number's going to go up. it's already way up because of the carnage we saw here in this downtown area of center city, philadelphia. earlier today. all around us. you see that citizen's bank over there. that got -- the facade of that got smashed in. again, there's just businesses all around here that got looted and broken into. we also have some figures on law enforcement, people who were injured. 13 police officers were injured. interestingly, seven of them with chemical burns to the face. that gives you an idea of what they were up against here in philadelphia earlier today when they were being attacked, confronted by people wanting to cause trouble. this is obviously emblematic of what's going on around the country, the fires, the looting, the burning. but even here there's also messaging. there's also outrage. you see the sign in on the chase bank, "i can't breathe." the genuine heartfelt anger is mixed in with a lot of this. and again, we've heard city officials here in philadelphia, the mayor and the police chief, danielle outlaw, saying there were some outside agitators here, that a group of people that were a minority of the protesters did all this. it's extraordinary when you think about it, a minority of people among thousands who were peaceably protesting can do damage like this. but that's what they did here in philadelphia tonight, don. and the city is still reeling. i can tell you. i think i showed you a little bit earlier, they're sweeping this entire area and trying to clear people out because the curfew is on until 6:00 in the morning and the police are moving very aggressively to clear people out. they tackled people right in front of us, chased them down the street. they're trying to get people out of here. they're not playing around at this point because of everything that happened. they've also declared a curfew for tomorrow evening as well. 8:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. i've got to tell you that from what we saw in this area most people are abiding by the curfew. the trouble happened mostly today, and it was really bad. we took you by city hall where they defaced part of city hall, they defaced the statue of former mayor frank rizzo. there were burned-up police cars. on our way here we saw a burned-out police car being hauled away. so you've had many civilians injured here as well. those figures the police do not have yet. it's going to take them a little longer to give us -- see andrew if we can take you a little bit closer to it. the firefight. we're still getting pelted pe we can't get too much closer. the camera's just going to be covered with water. but clearly they're still trying to get this thing out. you cannot see flames here, but it's got to be somewhere in back of that building, there's a cherry picker with some hoses still battling that blaze. you can't really see it right now. but you can see some of the hoses over there. maybe andrew can frame in on that. still a very active scene here tonight in philadelphia, don. you know, again, we're going to be seeing here what happens here tomorrow when the protests start up whether we have scenes like this. the police will be out in force. we do know that state police here have been reinforcing the philadelphia police, as are police from bucks county, montgomery county, pennsylvania. so they have reinforcements. we don't have word about national guard deployments here. it seems like the philadelphia police, the state police, and some other jurisdictions for the moment, for the moment have it under control. that could change easily. >> yeah. wise words, brian todd. that could change easily. right you are. our thanks to brian todd, who's covering this for us in philadelphia. we will get back to brian todd. as well as our other correspondents who are out in the field all over this country. we're back in a moment. and we are back now live on cnn. let's get straight to minneapolis. miguel is there. what are you seeing? >> reporter: we are at the first precinct in downtown minneapolis, and we've been forced to come here because the protesters we've been following earlier tonight, the police were able to break them up. they went in several different directions and they were sort of chasing the smaller and smaller group and trying to move them on. not necessarily trying to arrest them but trying to keep them splintered. and it seemed to be mainly successful. areas where protesters were freely walking on previous nights are now absolute ghost towns. the police have a heavy presence everywhere. national guard at all sort of the big infrastructure items, like hospitals and bridges and freeways, protecting sort of areas that won't allow individuals to access buildings but also infrastructure as well. just want to show you a sense, give you a sense of it. this is the first precinct downtown, these are the barricades that have been set up along here, but it's not just this. the precinct itself is just there in the middle of the block, they have put four layers of enormous cement blocks up. and i want to show you what downtown minneapolis looks like. most of the cars that are moving are police cars. we wanted to show you other stuff happening in other parts of the city. the problem is right now is that everybody is on high alert. every neighborhood you go through, they've set up their own neighborhood watches. they have the streets barricaded at the end. and people with bats, clubs, golf clubs, protecting their neighborhoods. bright lights on at the end of the blocks to keep anybody from coming into their neighborhoods. homeowners, essentially, protecting their investments. the city is incredibly fearful, locked down, distrustful and extremely afraid of what the next days are going to bring, don? >> all right, miguel, thank you very much. and i just want to share a moment from earlier tonight. one protester who was with miguel gave a raw, emotional take on the violence we haseen across this nation this week. >> this is what i got at that say to the people who are destroying things. if you really feel like you have to take an opportunity, like if you're going to be opportunistic, something is wrong with you. if you cannot stand up and fight the good fight and you want to be a cheater and take what we're trying to do, something is wrong with you. what we're trying to do is stand up for the bayic right of humanity. we do not want to go through this anymore, okay? i want to be able to go in a white neighborhood and feel safe. i want to be able when a cop is driving behind my, i done to cl. at the end of the day, being black is crime. we're all humans. that's sickening. play the great british baking show. 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stay tuned for? were his remarks, were the president's remarks this afternoon to a hand picked roundtable in dallas all there is? if so, nothing much has changed. the president began today by praising himself. >> from day one, i've been fighting for the forgotten men and women of america. i think we've been doing a great job of it. >> he praised himself as he has many times already for low black unemployment until the plague from china arrived. the hen addressed the issue of systematic racism by alluding to it, then undermining the notion. ? >> recent days, there has been vigorous discussion how to ensure fairness, equality and justice for all of our people. unfortunate i, there are some trying to push an extreme agenda that will produce more poverty, more crime, more suffering. we have to work together to confront bigotry and prejudice wherever they appear. but will make no progress and heal no wounds by falsely labeling tens of millions of decent americans as racists or bigots. >> we have to work together to confront bigotry and prejudice wherever they appear, the president said. the question is, when has donald trump called out bigotry or prejudice when it's appeared? how often? when? we know he's familiar with bigotry and prejudice, his father practiced it in business, the business that his son continued in, and donald trump has promoted bigotry and prejudice in his words for decades. this we know. the question is, when has he called it out when it's appeared? perhaps the white house will provide examples. he went on to say that they will make no progress by "falsely labeling tens of millions of decent americans as racists or bigots." who's "they," the thugs he has spoken about protesting in the streets? the marches that have been taking place night after night throughout this country have not been saying that tens of millions of people are racist or bigots but asking for equal justice for everyone. they're asking for everyone to acknowledge the well-founded fear that african-americans experience in encounters with police every single day that white americans do not. it's also worth noting that throughout his remarks this afternoon, the president never once mentioned george floyd's name or breonna taylor or ahmaud arbery. he spoke instead of police being knifed, police being shot and when the country is talking about reforming police and math president spoke approvingly of force. >> i said, and people said i don't know if we like that expression. i said we have to dominate the streets. you can't let that happen, what happened in new york city, the damage they've done. [ applause ] you have to dominate the streets. and i was criticized for that statement. i made the statement, we have to dominate the street and they said that's such a terrible thing. guess what? you know who dominated the streets, people you don't want to dominate the streets and look at the damage they did. so i'll stick with that. and i think most of the people in this room, maybe every person in this room will stick to that. we're doing it with compassion. we're dominating the street with compassion because we're saving lives and saving businesses, we're saving families from being wiped out after working hard for 20, 30 years. >> dominating the streets with compassion. compassionate domination. it's an interesting concept for a democracy. it's an interesting concept, the idea of dominating the people who are paying the taxes that fund the domination but they're doing it compassionately according to the president. as we said, it was a carefully cure rated group he was speaking to, among those not invited, the dallas police chief, the county sheriff and the district attorney, all of whom are african-american. also not invited, three democratic members of congress, all three african-american. the president did say the administration is working to finalize an executive order to encourage police officers. but the main message was tarring protesters as a violent mob and barely acknowledging how rapidly and profoundly the country is changing all around him. whether it's cities and states banning chokeholds and neck restatements, nascar banning confederate flags, cities removing confederate monuments. today, the armed senate services committee adopted a measure for taking names off of military bases like ft. bragg. and general mark milley today apologized. here's what he told graduates at the national defense university in a speech today. >> everything you do will be closely watched, and i am not immune. as many of you saw a photograph of me at lafayette spark of me. that sparked a national debate about the role of military in a civil society. i should not have been there. my presence in that moment and in that environment created a perception the military involved in domestic politics. as a commissioned uniformed officer, it was a mistake that i have learned from. and i sincerely hope we can all learn from it. we who wear the cloth of our nation, come from the people of our nation. we must hold dear the principle of an apolitical military that's so deeply rooted in the very essence of our republic. >> and good for him. a leader admits a mistake. wasn't so hard. nobody is going to criticize him for admitting a mistake. the president might pay attention to general milley. cnn's chief white house correspondent jim acosta has more. the president talked about police, he also talked about his phrase that he used when the looting starts, the shooting starts and claimed that, you know, he just heard it over the years, a lot of people saying it over the years. the fact that you heard something, a lot of people just saying it over the years, that's not a good indication that it's a legitimate phrase or you might want to, if you're president, know where that phrase comes from. he claims even today he thought it came from i think the mayor of philadelphia when it came from a southern sheriff in miami in 1967. what did he say about police? >> reporter: exactly, anderson. the president is still having trouble answering that question. he said he's known about this phrase sometime, but mischaracterized what it's saying, saying when people are out looting sometimes people get shot. when the police chief of miami uttered that phrase in the '60s meant when you go out and loot you are going to get shot by police officers. as for the overall issue of police brutality, and this played out at the church he was speaking out earlier today, the president seemed to be spending more time lamenting the fact that officers are targeted in the line of duty. regrettably that is the case, more so than what happens to people like george floyd. and breonna taylor and all the other victims of police brutality that have been in the news over the last several years. and the president was asked about this on one of his favorite conservative news outlets and here's more of what he had to say. >> we are going to do lots of, i think, good things. but we also have to keep our police and our law enforcement strong. they have to do it right. they have to be trained in a proper manner. they have to do it right. again, the sad thing is, when you see an event like that, with more than eight minutes of horror, that's eight minutes really of horror, it's a disgrace. and then people start saying, well, are all police like that? they don't know? maybe they don't think about it that much. the fact is, they start saying well, police are like that. police aren't like that. most of the police officers are really good people. >> reporter: earlier today, anderson, the president pledged he will take executive action to take aim at some of these police tactics and professionalize law enforcement agencies around the country. but it's not clear whether any of these executive action also have teeth and whether or not the president will sign on to some of these proposed changes on capitol hill, even as republicans seem to be moving further ahead in terms of what they would like to see at this point. anderson? >> it seems so obvious now that the president is using this and talking about this in ways that he believes will best suit him for re-election. he talks about they, you know, the people that he's labeled thugs, protesters in the streets, and, you know, good, decent americans who they are calling racist. i mean, it's ault about division. is this the talk that ben carson was saying stay tuned for? i mean, is this all there is? >> reporter: anderson, it all appears to be about his base, and not about race. the president, you know, was on twitter earlier today defending the tactics that were used in lafayette park. praising the national guard, saying that it was all too easy the way they moved through those protesters on june 1st. obviously, there are people like secretary carson, officials inside the white house that we talked to from time to time who will say, no, the president wants to use some unifying themes and try to talk to the whole nation. but the end result, at the end of the day, either -- whether it's on twitter or in an interview with a favorite conservative news outlet, he's making appeals to his base. earlier today, the white house press secretary was defending the fact that the president is going to hold his first pandemic rally, rally in the middle of this pandemic in tulsa, oklahoma, the scene of one of the worst incidents of racial violence against african-americans in the country of this his try, doing it on june 19th, the day that emancipated slaves first learned about the emancipation proclamation down in texas. so the white house secretary trying to say the president understands all of that. if he doesn't understand the expression when the looting starts, the shooting starts, it's hard to imagine that he's well versed in that history he appears to be treading into when he has this rally next week. it seems to be time and again, anderson, just a failure to grasp the reality on the ground and on the streets where people are clamoring for change, anderson. >> or the flip is true, he absolutely grasps the reality on the streets and what is actually happening. he just doesn't like it and wants to try to stop it as best he can. we just got the sound of him, you know, justifying his use of, you know, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. let's look at what he is claiming now. >> so that's an expression i've heard over the years. and -- >> do you know where it comes from? >> i think philadelphia, the mayor of philadelphia. >> no, it comes from 1967, i was about 18 months old at the time. but it was from the chief of police in miami. he was cracking down, and he meant what he said. he said i don't even care if it makes it look like brutality, i'm going to crack down, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. that frightened a lot of people. >> it also comes from a very tough mayor who might have been police commissioner, but the mayor of philadelphia named frank rizzo. and he had an expression like that. but i think it's been used many times. it means two things. very different things. one is if there's looting, there's probably going to be shooting and that's not as a threat, that's just a fact, because that's what happens. and the other is, if that's looting, there's going to be shooting. very different meanings. >> interesting. >> very different meanings. >> by the way, frank rizzo was a miss commissioner in philadelphia in 1968 to 1971. i mean, the police force, you know, police forces in the late '60s and early '70s in the city of philadelphia, in new york, those were very different police forces, even than they are right now. so, you know, the idea that he's quoting frank rizzo is not necessarily going to -- i mean, it's not the greatest -- i believe his statue was just targeted in philadelphia as well. but the idea that the president, you know, believes it's a nuanced phrase meaning multiple things, everybody knows what it means. we're not idiots. >> reporter: that's right. and he appears to relish this role of unleashing police forces in whatever city he sees fit. and anderson, we still haven't had a chance to press the president on what took place in lafayette square behind me. they took down the fence at the park, and he still has not been pressed on these brutal, ridiculous tactics that were used to clear out the protesters were people were pummelled and gassed by their own government. and the president, if he can't handle these questions on fox, it's hard to imagine how he's going to handle these questions when they're finally put to him. you know, they have them in a news bunker right now, but i can't imagine he'll be able to handle those questions very well. you know, talking to people around him, he is still in this base mode where he thinks he can divide his way all the way to november and seems to be doing that right now, anderson. >> yeah. jim acosta, maybe he can. thank you very much. joining me now is my panel. van, the president's event was billed as a round table on justice disparities. he department focus on police violence against african-americans. he didn't talk about systematic racism or, you know, he's trying to make this, you know, thugs in the streets calling police officers and decent quote unquote americans racists and bigots. most of the people i know, the protesters are talking about systematic problems within police forces, not necessarily even individuals and everybody is a racist, it's systematic problems that are engrained in the justice system, in the health care system, in the education system and on and on. >> well, listen, the mere fact that we're having this conversation at this level, i'm not going to let anybody steal my job today. yes, we're now trying to explain systemic racism in a country where nascar says they're not going to fly the confederate flag anymore. where the nfl is apologizing for not supporting the protests earlier. the dominos are falling, through the young people of america. the irony here is that donald trump got into office by navigating the choppy waters of a populist uprising in the country in our party, you have the bernie sanders uprising. in 'tis party, it was the donald trump uprising. he should recognize a populist uprising when he sees one. but instead, this is a populist uprising against the status quo on race in this country. we're tired of the videos and the stuff going on. and he's having a hard time navigating it, because it doesn't fit with what he expects from populism in the country. but this is a populist uprising, too. so i'm not going to let anybody steal my joy. we don't even know what we're in right now. we are in a moment that's maybe -- history will call it maybe a great awakening, where people have come together. there is a new consensus that has emerged. and people are moving on to get stuff done at all levels of society. the trump administration still has an opportunity to be a more constructive part of this process, but the reality is, the reason he's even talking about this, and the reason we're talking about this is because tens of millions of ordinary americans, black, white, and otherwise, are in the streets right now, wanting a better way forward, and the dominos are falling in only one direction. >> professor brown marshal, just yesterday the president's top economic adviser larry kudlow says he doesn't believe there is systemic racism in the united states. if the president, if his top aides deny there is a problem, how can they be part of the solution? >> well, they can't be. and that's why people are in the streets. we can't expect a man, donald trump, who abused his power, to stop other people, the police officers, from terrorizing the black community and abusing their authority. there are the majority of police officers who do good work. they go into this job to help people, and there are the rogue police officers who are outright terrorists. and we saw it with derek chauvin, that he was terrorizing the black community and has probably been terrorizing the black community for many years, teaching younger officers how to terrorize the black community. so i had a chance to actually talk with the daughter of george wallace, and george wallace knew when he ran for office that he was running to office on a ticket of racism. and he used it to propel himself to a national stage. donald trump is doing the same thing. but i'll tell you this, his daughter apologized for what her father did. and history is going to have the children or the grand children of donald trump apologizing to this country for what he is doing. >> well, there's no doubt e ivankaa tru a is going to wantl clothes and shoes to people. there's no doubt she's going to go on a campaign of reinvention when her father is out of office. david, the reference the president made to frank rizzo and the phrase, when the looting starts, the shooting starts, rizzo was someone known for police brutality. if you were the police commissioner in 1968 to 1970 in the city of philadelphia, you knew a thing or two about brutality. >> yeah. if you looked up racism and brutality in the dictionary, you would find frank rizzo's picture. he brutalized his citizens, particularly his citizens of color. and he celebrated that. and ultimately, man fran for man that platform as the president is trying to run for what he calls a law and order platform here. but he could not have invoked a worse symbol than frank rizzo, who is exactly what america is saying we need to leave in the past. we need to confront that past, and we need to address that past. you know, the president talked about, you know, police officers who risked their lives, some get shot. he's absolutely right. and i agree with what was said. most of them do a fine job in many cases. but when a police officer gets shot, the whole force of the criminal justice system comes down on their assailants. when a police officer harasses or in the case of george floyd, kills someone, that is a question. you know, it is very rare in america for a police officer to be disciplined for that. these are systemic problems. they are wrong, they are part of a larger problem. i agree with van. i am really encouraged. i think the president, you know, the only math he does is division, but i don't think he's reading the math of this moment right as he's running for re-election, because this country is much more united than he thinks. and it's united on the other side of this debate. people were shocked by what they saw in minneapolis. they were shocked by what they saw in georgia. and there is an awakening going on. and he is still pushing the same old buttons, hoping for the same reaction. i think he's getting less and less of a response. >> david axelrod, van jones, thank you very much. coming up next, wlrn we are tired of the coronavirus, the virus is not tired of us. and chicago's mayor joins us as members of the police force war caught on tape lounging around in a congressman's office, drinking his coffee. the congressman says with police in the streets, and looting nearby. we'll be right back. can i finm with a truly long-term view that's been through multiple market cycles for over 85 years? with capital group, i can. talk to your financial professional or consultant for investment risks and information. today, the state of south carolina reported the highest single day number of coronavirus cases since the outbreak began. so many states are lifting more restrictions as cases are spiking. last night, we reported on new projections of another 100,000 virus deaths in this country by depth. now there's a new projection from the university of washington, and it too is sobering. joining us, dr. chris murray, the director of the university's institute for health metrics and evaluation. dr. murray, your model now predicts nearly 170,000 deaths by october 1. how do you get to that number? >> so we're taking into account, anderson, you know, the big surge in mobility that we've been seeing unfold since the end of april. and that's going -- is driving up transmission. we now have survey data that's collected every day that tells us the number of contacts people are having, and that's going up and that's going into the model. and those -- that trajectory is being balanced against a good fraction of america, maybe 40% wearing mave ining masks at all improved testing, and seasonality working in our favor. but all of that starts to turn in august. and so we're going see this sort of very slow decline. some states going up like arizona. but nationally, numbers going down. but the whole thing turns around at the end of august, and we go from just under 400 deaths a day all the way up to about 1,000 deaths a day by the end of september, by bodes badly past october 1. >> and how can you specify that it's at that -- at the end of august, that there is that term? >> well, what that comes from is that we found a really strong relationship by looking back in the past, in the last ten years in the united states by state, by week of deaths from pneumonia. and we have found that that variable, you know, the number of deaths each week from pneumonia, is really predictive of what's going on in the u.s. in aggregate. it's one of the things giving us quote protection against all the increased mobility that's out there and contact. and that turns around at the end of august. and so kids start to go back to school mid august. so those two come together and that really is going to drive transmission, we think, way up at that point. >> it certainly seems people have -- or at least governors, the president, others have made the choice. we have to get businesses back online, we have to get going again as an economy. and one can argue about that. but given that reality, that things are opening, and moving, and maybe that will change at some point if it gets really bad, maybe it won't. but regardless, there is still a thing that individuals can do. i mean, we know what works to slow this, to protect one's self. and it's wearing a mask. it's social distancing. people -- i mean, if people feel deflated hearing this, that there's going to be this potential, you know, surge at the end of august, 170,000 deaths by october, there's still things as an individual you can do. >> there's a lot we can do. you know, masks really work. systematic analysis, and we've done our own on that, shows about a 50% protection. and, you know, only 40% of americans always wear a mask. and that number is not getting higher. it's probably going to start dropping. that's one way to really prevent. and then there's just the number of people, close contacts that people are having. back in mid april, the number of close contacts that people had was really, really small. it's just been steadily rising since then. those are two things that are within the control of people. and then we'll see if governors, if things get ready bad in november or later, what will happen at that point. >> hmm. dr. chris murray, i appreciate you being with us. thank you very much. sobering. it's important to hear. up next, breaking news, the president threatening to send troops into a major american city. we'll get reaction on the ground in seattle, swi the city he's talking about. and what the chicago police department plans to do after a group of police officers are caught on camera lounging in a congressman's office. the congressman says there was nearby looting at the same time. the officers were drinking his coffee and chilling out, even eating his popcorn. we'll talk to the mayor of chicago ahead. and more one of a kind finds. it all ships free. and with new deals every day you can explore endless options at every price point. get your outdoor oasis delivered fast so you can get the good times going. ♪ wayfair. you've got just what i need. ♪ even as reporting emerges how close the president came to sending active duty troops into washington, d.c. before being persuaded not to, he's threatening to do the same in seattle, where protesters are occupying part of the city. the governor saying, although unpermitted, the area is largely peaceful. the president is calling on him to use force or he will, he claims. >> we're not going to let this happen in seattle. if we have to go in, we're going to go in. the governor, let the governor do it. he's got great national guard troops. one way or the other, it's going the get done. these people are not going to occupy a major portion of a great city. >> cnn's dan simon is in seattle for us. dan, can you describe what is going on where you are, and explain to people what's actually happening? >> reporter: well, it's a pretty remarkable scene out here. behind me is the seattle police station overtaken by these protesters. it's totally been defaced. look at the signs, where it says seattle people department, where it used to say seattle police department. you can see the windows have been boarded up. let me explain, anderson, how this all came to pass. for several days in the wake of george floyd's death, you had violent clashes between protesters and police officers here in front of this department. and tear gas was deployed. it was not a pretty scene. the department made the calculated decision that they were going to try to deescalate things and essentially abandoned the department. well, when that happened, you had protesters essentially flood the zone and that's what you have today. you can see behind me, all these protesters here. now, despite the fact that this all began with force, this -- what you're seeing in front of me, is a peaceful situation. in fact, it sort of looks like a street festival. look behind me. you can see all these people in the street. there's food being served. there's a medical tent. people are camping out. there's live music at night. they're watching movies. so it's sort of a contradictory situation. on the one hand, it began with force, but right now it's peaceful. anderson? >> and if the president were to quote go in as he's threatened, what -- i mean, what would the response be? can people come and go from this area? is this an area that has been -- i mean, the president makes it sound like this is an area taken over and is being ruled by, you know, somebody -- is being ruled by, you know, by -- i don't know how we would describe them. >> reporter: yeah. folks can certainly come and go. this area has been traditionally a community, a neighborhood where they're a bastion of free speech and people have come together. now, if, in fact, there is going to be federal officers or federal law enforcement come to this area, it is not going to be a pretty situation. these people have made it clear, unless there's major reform. and remember, they want to see this police department defunded or even abolished, short of a major concession, they're not going to leave voluntarily. and we should point out, washington is an open carry state. and no doubt, some of these protesters are armed. so you have to worry about the potential for bloodshed and violence if they try to remove them by force. anderson? >> dan simon, thanks. now to chicago. an allegation of police misconduct caught on camera. take a look. the mayor of chicago says up to 13 city police officers, including three supervisors were caught just hanging out in congressman bobby rush's campaign office last week, as nearby businesses were being looted. here's what the congressman said about the officers at a press conference this afternoon. >> they had the unmitigated gall to go and make coffee for themselves and to pop popcorn, my popcorn, in my microwave, while looters was tearing apart businesses within their sight, within their reach. >> so the mayor of chicago there, sitting next to congressman rush. and the mayor of chicago joins me now. thanks so much for being with us. how did this happen? >> you know, it's really quite mind boggling. and it's almost impossible to believe that it's true. but yet we have five hours of videotape documenting exactly what happened. earlier in the day, looting started in a strip mall. the congressman's campaign office was broken into, and in the early morning hours, these police officers decided to help themselves. started out with the small group, and then grew over time to 13 officers, including blee, what we call white shirts, meaning three supervisors. it's one of the most disgraceful, disrespectful things that i've ever seen. and we are absolutely not going to tolerate it. >> you know, regardless of the -- what may happen to each of these officers, just in general, one of the big questions about reforming police departments is disciplining how officers are disciplined and whether or not, you know, they can be disciplined, what happens to them. how difficult is it -- i mean, you said this is going to do something about this. what can you actually do? how difficult is it to actually discipline police officers? >> well, it's not difficult. they do have extraordinary due process rights, which is in and of itself a problem that we've got to fix. we've got to start by licensing police officers. i called for that today. we've got to change state laws so we have a baseline of conduct that's acceptable, and we eliminate the problem of so-called pass the trash, where an officer gets disgraced, gets fired, and then he just moves down the road to the next town. we've got to make sure that never becomes a possibility again. we've got to make sure that we really hit them where it hurts, and make sure if you have been convicted of a crime, if you resign under investigation, you lose your pension. that should just be automatic. we have notorious police officers here, john burge and others, who have done horrible things, cost the city literally hundreds of millions of dollars. and yet john burge, one of the most knnotorious police torture in the united states, he died collecting his pension. so it's all about the will and seize thing moment to take on the police contracts and other things that are an impediment to reform and accountability. and i'm determined, in partnership with people of good will, in my city and state, to use this moment as an opportunity to turn things around and really move in a completely different direction on policing. >> do you ever see or hear police unions policing themselves? police unions saying, here's a bad apple, we've identified a bad apple and we're concerned because it reflects badly on the rest of the police force? >> no. it happens to rarely. i have actually seen it. when i worked for the police department back in the early 2000s, but it's very rare. even today, literally the officers were through their various context, were trying to say, congressmen invited us in. and he's lying now. bobby rush is a former black panther. he didn't invite the police into his office. and the fact that they would even say that, and even assuming that was true, five hours, when literally murder and mayhem is happening everywhere, police officers are getting the crap beaten out of them, being called to officer distress, and you take a siesta for five hours? that's outrageous. even in this moment, as shameful as this context is, there are people making excuses and saying we're being too harsh. no, no, no. we have not been too harsh. you can be supportive of people who do their job the right way, and still hold the bad ones accountable. that's what has to happen. >> mayor lori lightfoot, i appreciate your time. thank you. louisville, kentucky passes broenna's law. her mother joins me, next. tonight one american city has voted to end no knock warrants calling it breonna law. as questions remain about why police entered her home in the middle of the night, shot her at least eight times. breonna taylor was an emt in louisville, kentucky. in march police used a no knock warrant to forcefully enter her home and officers say they announced their presence. taylor's family say they did not. her boyfriend fired shots and says he didn't know who the plain clothes officers were. that they hadn't identified themselves. police fired back killing taylor. since then they've been re-assigned. tonight the city council not only banned no knock warrants but the use of search warrants and body cameras. under injuries the report said none. she was shot at least eight times. she was killed. before air i spoke with breonna's mother and family attorneys. miss palmer, first of all, i am so sorry for your loss. what do you make of what is happening in america right now? what do you think breonna would think about what's happening? >> she would be amazed to see the world changing. >> and have you heard, ms. palmer, from the city or the police department of louisville at all in any sort of meaningful way? because it's been almost three months and it is my understanding those officers involved are still on the job. >> yes, they are. the police department, no. but there are other people in the city that have reached out. >> mr. crump, in breonna's case, the three officers involved have not faced any charges. they are still working for the louisville police department. they are on administrative leave. does that make any sense to you? it's been nearly three months. >> anderson, it makes no sense at all when you consider how they violated their policies and procedures and furthermore the police report that came out yesterday just was void of anything that made sense when they erroneously put on the police report there were no injuries in the execution of the search warrant when breonna taylor was killed. furthermore, they said there was no forced entry, and we know that is a lie because they used a battering ram to bust open the front door, never identifying themselves, and being in plain clothes, anderson. so how was breonna and kenny parker her boyfriend to know who was coming into their home, that it was the police and not some home invasion? >> ms. baker, i know you are fighting to get a new law passed called breonna's law that would ban no knock warrants which as mr. crump was saying is what the police used on the night breonna was killed. where does that stand right now? >> it is up for a full vote tonight. i am encouraged that it will pass. we have bipartisan support of breonna's law at the metro council. it will not only ban no knock warrants but also require officers to wear body cameras during the execution of search warrants, not only wear them but activate their body cameras because that is one of the issues we also see. we are encouraged that it will pass, and once it's passed in louisville we hope to see it pass around the country as well. >> ms. palmer, i know it was breonna's 27th birthday last friday, and i know you said you haven't had time to grieve. i can't imagine what these last almost three months have been like for you. what do you want people to know about breonna? what was she like? >> just that she was loving and caring and she loved to help people. she loved to be around family. everybody loved her. her co-workers, her friends. her family. she just was full of life. she was so full of life. >> it's interesting you use that expression, full of life. when i was looking at the pictures of her and all of the pictures i've seen of her, she's got this smile and this joyful -- just a joyful countenance about her. she really just jumps off the page in photographs. it must have been -- i kind of just looking at her picture you get a sense of the personality she must have had in life. >> definitely. she had -- she was just, yeah. she loved to smile and just be this person. she had a vibe out of this world. like you couldn't ask for a better child at all. >> anderson, as ms. palmer told attorney baker and i, breonna was saving lives while she was living and that was the passage of the breonna taylor law she will be saving lives forever. >> absolutely. >> tamika palmer, i am just so sorry for all that you have gone through and are going through and i hope you get justice and peace. thank you so much for being with us. lena baker and benjamin crump as well, thank you. >> thank you. just ahead on this busy night more breaking news. the republican national convention has announced the new city it will hold their convention in after pulling out of north carolina. moments ago republicans announced they will hold the primetime portion of their convention where the president accepts his nomination in jacksonville, florida. this comes after president trump was angered that north carolina's governor, whose city of charlotte was to hold the entire convention, would not allow mass gatherings of people while his state is still battling the coronavirus. the news also comes as the president announced his first big campaign rally next week as we reported in tulsa, oklahoma. another mass gathering of people. and the man famous for making employees sign nondisclosure agreements is requiring attendees sign a liability waiver. the invitation sent by the campaign has this language toward the bottom. by clicking register below you are acknowledging an inherent risk of exposure to covid-19 exists in any public place where people are present. by attending the rally you and all guests assume all risks related to covid-19 and agree not to hold donald j. trump for president incorporated as well as others liable for any injuries or illness. the number could reach 170,000 more deaths by october. the news continues. we'll head over to chris for cuomo primetime. >> thank you very much. all eyes are on seattle and trump sees an opportunity to make everything that's happening there and really everywhere about his political opponents and their radical ranks. his move? calls to dominate the people on the streets, dangling troops