Steve king known far history of racist remarks and comments lost his primary last night in pursuit of a tenth term. Over 60 of republicans in that district rejected steve king. Elsewhere on the hill, House Speaker nancy pelosi asked the black caucus to take the lead on police reform. Defense secretary mark esper is facing backlash inside the west wing for distancing himself from the use of force against Peaceful Protesters on day nine. Joining me now, my coanchor for the next two hours, katy tur. Katy, it is interesting. Its like some things in the donald trump orbit dont change. If you somehow you look like youre criticizing him within the inside, as the defense secretary is doing, be prepared for the wrath of the boss. Listen, he has an aide that he hired back, mcatee who was charged with going through the administration and rooting out people who were perceived to be antitrump or not in full support of the president s agenda. And ive spoken to officials within this administration who have told me that they are actively worried about that. Look what were seeing with the defense secretary. He says he doesnt support the insurrection act and now were hearing reporting from our own White House Team that the white house and the president are not happy with him. Well get more details in just a moment. But President Trump and his defense secretary are at odds over how to respond to protests. Earlier secretary mark esper came out against the insurrection act, which would allow the president to deploy troops, military troops to crack down on american protesters. The option to use active duty forces should only be used as a matter of last roefrt and only in the most urgent and dire of situations. We are not in one of those situations now. I do not support invoking the insurrection act. Lets go to the white house now where we find our nbc News White House reporter shannon pettypiece. Shannon, tell us what youre hearing about how the president feels about his defense secretary right now. Reporter when i spoke to a Senior Administration official about this a few moments ago, their quotes were that this message was not, quote, well received within the white house. I think that was maybe a diplomatic way to explain some of the shock and displeasure with his remarks. Esper is meeting at this time with the president or at least he was as of about half an hour ago of the that was a previously scheduled meeting, but, you know, you can surmise this topic will come up. But there were a lot of things that esper said that i think, you know, the white house is reacting to. One of them is espers description of this event of the church, downplaying his involvement in it. I want you to have a listen how he characterized that visit. I wont know we were going to the church. I was not aware a photo op was happening. Look, i do everything i can to try to stay apolitical. The Church Leaders loved that i went there with a bible. Take a look at franklin graham, so respected and so many others. Reporter one more thing, katy. On the insurrection act, white house officials were really kind of downplaying whether or not the president was going to take some sort of action on this, whether the president was going to carry through on his threat from monday about whether or not he would send in military troops if city or a state wasnt responding to demonstrations the way he wanted to. While they said it was something that was still on the table, they were suggesting there was a sense that the National Guard and the president s tough talk on governors has calmed the situation and there wasnt a need for that at this point. Thats at least what Administration Officials were saying this morning. Theres a 2 00 p. M. Briefing, so, of course, a topic that will be coming up in the next hour or so. Shannon, just to go back to esper and why he was at the white house and what he was doing with the president the other day, our colleagues spoke with esper, at least courtney did. He was saying that he thought he was going to go tour the burnedout vandalized bathroom at the top of Lafayette Park. Have you heard of a defense secretary walking with a president to tour something as, like, a burnedout bathroom . It just seems like a weird use of the defense secretarys time. Reporter right. Katy, everything about that day was surprising and unscripted. White house aides didnt know that the president was going to make those rose garden remarks until shortly before he actually went out and made them. They were actually setting up a podium in case he made remarks, but they werent sure until the marks were actually given whether or not it was going to happen or not. There was a lot of confusion about how that walk from the park was going on, who was going to be going with the president , a lot of chaos trying to wrangle the reporters to get there. What esper also said is he was redirected to the white house. He was going somewhere else and then got a call from the white house that they wanted a briefing, so he wasnt even planning to go to the white house that day. Its a sense of how things can go in this chaotic sort of, you know, fly by the seat of your pants white house. Shannon pettypiece, understatement of the century. Shannon, thank you very much. Chuck, depeover to you. Weird having the defense secretary taking a tour of a bathroom. What esper is doing today is not happening in a vacuum either. Mike mullin, former chairman of the joint chief of staff, somebody whos got a lot of folks who look up to him in the military, current military leaders who look up to him, a guy who is very popular at the Naval Academy and then some. His remarks sort of basically saying this is not the role of the defense department, this is not the role of the military, i think that had you cant tell me that didnt have some impact on esper personally. Im sure if he heard if mullin is speaking out, he likely heard from others too. It does feel as though esper was responding to outside criticism. Lets be honest here, the military is the last place that hasnt been polarized in American Society and theres a lot of people fearful the president may polarize it too. Lets move to missouri. Protests remained peaceful in ferguson last night, considered one of the epicenter of the black lives matter movement. As we mentioned last night the city also elected ella jones, the citys first africanamerican mayor. Joining us from ferguson with all of this is our own steve patterson. Steve, a little history for ferguson. Reporter first female mayor in the city, first black mayor of the city, ella jones. I asked her, you know, what it means, what do you think this means to the people of ferguson and the people in this country . And she said one word. She said inclusion. She believes this is the way forward, that the reforms that have been made over the past six years since the mike brown incident and the ensuing incidents that sprung from that have helped this situation, obviously. And the way we think about this, the way we think about viewing police and community interaction, i think, has definitely change in this recent wave. Behind me you can see some of the damage from a couple nights ago. This is kathys kitchen. It was such a refuge when we were covering mike brown. That was hit as well as a few other businesses. But this is not representative of what happened last night. As you mentioned in that video, i covered st. Louis in the past few days, minneapolis, chicago. That was the most heartening moment ive seen and it happened right here on the streets of ferguson. And i think that speaks to some of the Community Policing that has been done in the ensuing years. I want to ask somebody about that. We have the police chief here, jason armstrong. We spoke to you not too long ago. Just saw you randomly on the street talking to the community. So what do you think is the difference between now and then, between a few nights ago and tonight, between what your officers may have interacted with on the street years ago versus what theyre doing now . What we saw last night was we saw people peacefully protesting. And we have no problem with that. We encourage that. And so you saw the genuine exchange between the officers and the people that were out peacefully protesting because you had that respect there. And so that was the difference. What the people were doing, you didnt have people out here running around the streets trying to tear up businesses and attack Police Officers and trying to hurt people. They just wanted their voice to be heard. And the officers we had here in the Ferguson Police department, we understand that and respect that. And you saw that in the exchange between the officers and the people that were out protesting last night. And so, you know, if we can keep that kind of energy going in this community where its just about voicing your frustration, voicing your pain, i can always sit and listen to that and web talk about ways to make the community better, ways to make the Police Department better. We cant do that when we have crime, destruction and chaos going on in the city. And so, you know, we want to continue to encourage people to do things peacefully, and thats the power that that can have. But it also has to be the posturing from your officers. Some of these protests have been peaceful and the police still sprayed tear gas into the crowd, still antagonized the protesters and pushed them back into a space where they didnt feel comfortable. Last night i was in the middle of it. You had protesters in the middle of the street past curfew, but because they were peaceful, we watched them be allowed to happen. Does that speak to the level of Community Policing, the consent degree thats been in place for a few years, the reforms that have been in place that has led to more of a partnership here in town . Honestly, i think more than anything it comes from experience. These officers, theyve been through this before. And so we all, no matter what profession youre in, you get better with experience. And so, you know, yeah. We see a lot going on in the country right now with some of the response from Law Enforcement, but what youve seen here in this region is men and women who had the experience and responding to those things, so they understand just how important it can be for us to try to calm, you know, those tensions and ease those tensions instead of trying to escalate things. And so its one of the things, you know, were very tolerated of up here for people trying to do things the right way. What were not going to tolerate is people that come here to seek and destroy. And so, yes, it does go to the messaging and the culture were trying to build here to where, you know, we dont have to agree on everything, but we can respect everybodys right to say, you know, what they feel in they heart. And if we do that respectfully between everybody, we can see some positive results from it. Thank you so much for your time. Appreciate it. You hear the words from the chief there, obviously an extremely exciting time for people who live in ferguson. They see it as a time of change. With the mayorelect, someone they think who represents them. Moving forward, its a place to watch, as a place thats gone through this and now that experience being shared across the country. Well have more, obviously, from the mayor. We have an interview with her coming up on nightly news. But back to you. Great. Steve patterson with the elbow bump there with the chief. While i love seeing the handshake, there was part of me that wondered if they should have elbow bumped last night as well. But either way, wasnt thyou kn . There was worth it. We need the moment, even if its brief. Steve patterson in ferguson. Steve, thank you. The Republican National committee is seeking a new home for its convention today, sort of. After the president announced hes pulling it from charlotte, sort of. Its not clear that the entire convention can be moved. The governor would not, though, guarantee a fullscale sort of convention particularly for the president s acceptance speech due to the Public Safety threat from covid19. Rnc Officials Say some aspects of the convention might remain in charlotte, call it contractual issues. But the nomination portion will move elsewhere. So the question is, what is that elsewhere and what does charlotte still keep . Joining us now, anchor for wcnc in charlotte, tonya mendez. What is charlotte going to keep in regards to this convention . Reporter so thats the big question right now. City leaders are scratching. I mean, the idea of 80 days out and a convention picking up and leaving is absolutely unheard of. Its just never happened before. Smarter, as we speak, city leaders are in a meeting with the City Attorney pouriring ove that contract. Its as of youve planned a wedding and the bride and groom say, yeah, keep your party, were eloping. So theyre meeting right now to figure it out. I want to go to a statement they issued talking about their concerns that they have. Quote, we have yet to receive official notification from the Republican National Committee Regarding its intent for the location. We have a contract in place to host the convention, and the city and attorney will be in contact with the attorneys for the rnc to understand their full intentions. We cant really say, though, that this came as a surprise because everybody saw President Trumps tweets last week where he came out on memorial day and said that he was considering moving it, threatening to move it if he couldnt have a convention in full. Governor roy cooper said for a while conversations were going well about potentially having a scaledback convention. Those conversations came to a halt a couple days ago, and now the rnc is saying we want the full thing, we want 19,000 people in place. And the governor saying we cant do that. I cant commit to Something Like that 80 days out. Just to give you some perspective, right now North Carolina is in phase two, which only allows ten people indoors at a time. Huge difference. As long as everybody remains on two sides of what they want, the governor saying i cant budge. The president saying im not going to bung, so were going to pick up and move. Well, i always thought there was the Panthers Stadium but, oh, well. Tannia, thank you. Katy, we both know how the president is. Dont be surprised if it ends up staying in charlotte. Well see. Chuck, yesterday i spent the entire day walking the streets of new york city along with those protesters. It started on 1 00 p. M. On this show, gave up at 9 00 p. M. After 18 miles of walking. The protests were peaceful the entire time that i was there. There was tenser moments later on, but those ultimately ended peacefully as well. I was wondering why things have gotten calmer here in the city. So today we went and talked to the nypd chief of department, Terence Monahan about what has changed and what Police Officers can do in the future in order to keep tensions at a lower point Going Forward with the citizens of this city. Lets listen. Over the past couple days, theres been a deescalation, the tensions havent been as high. What do you attribute that too . Last night we did real well. It was a very good night in comparison to the crazy nights we did before. The 8 00 curfew really did help us. It allowed us to identify groups that were looking to cause trouble and get rid of them very quickly and stopping the traffic south of 96th street really, really helped. We were able to get our resources in and out really fast. So we were able to prevent anything that started. Even within the large groups of protesters that were coming up and, you know, getting close to officers, there wasnt an escalation between the officers and the protesters. Was there a change in strategy or change in directive to the officers on the street . No. Over the last three days weve seen a change in the protesters. I believe the people who are peacefully protesting for a movement realized that they had to push out the agitators, had to get them out of the crowd because they were ruining what the message was. In queens, erica ford had a protest, her and her people forcibly removed the agitators before the protest started. Were seeing protesters coming up to the cops and say were not against you, were against what happened. Im seeing protesters coming up to the cops and screaming obscenities at them and taunting them. Im not seeing the cops react. When i was seeing the cops react just a few days ago. So are the cops not being told to try to take it easy . Listen, we are so used to being cussed at. Ive been called every name in the book out on the streets. We take that. The difference is were not getting a bottle thrown at us. Once a bottle or rock gets thrown at us, thats a different story. Thats a different protest. People can walk down the street and say the worst things in the world against us and well just sit there. What do you think of the images on social media, the one officer pulling down the guys mask and pepper spraying him . Thats being investigated. This has been the toughest time ever to be a cop. From day one, cops are being assaulted. We have brutal attacks on our Police Officers. Weve been shot at, one over with cars, hit with bricks. This has been tough, so obviously were going to look at the incidents were our cops were victimized. This is an Inflection Point for policing across the country and demanding that there are reforms. Do you think any reforms could be helpful . Absolutely. Listen, we started reforming back in 2014 after ferguson and eric gardner. Its the concept of getting our cops in the Community Together to see the humanity between the two of us. You got to look at us more than just a blue uniform. We have to look at you as a community, as something we are a part of. So weve done that and we have to keep moving it forward even more. The governor talking about 50a, which would make Police Officers disciplinary records public. Whats your position on that . We need more transparency. Its not so much a repeal, but we need to work it out so you can get was in time we need to be transparent about how we police the city. This is a question i ask Police Chiefs all over the country black and white. Why does this keep happening to black men and black women . There are incidents that happen. Lets remember, you have 800,000 Law Enforcement officers across this country handling tens of millions of calls each and every day. Things happen and when they do happen, we have to look at it. Its not happening to white people. We have to look into neighborhoods. Every incident has to be looked at its own. An incident in minnesota, absolutely disgusting. And those officers are all going to face the consequences for it and every Law Enforcement officer across this country understands that. Do you think it was racism . At that incident, im not going to speak to what was in the mind of those cops. I cannot say it. All i know is that was a disgusting attempt. No one should have to do that. Once that prisoner is handcuffed, there was absolutely no reason. My thanks to nypd chief of department Terence Monahan for that. 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[ cheers and applause ] we are confident that attorney general Keith Ellison is working feverishly to do the right thing. What is the right thing . To make sure that George Floyds family is afforded justice by holding these officers accountable to the full extent of the law, each and every one of those four officers. Their visit comes ahead of tomorrows memorial for george floyd. Nbcs Shaquille Brewster is live in minneapolis. When ben crump says he expects there to be charges against the other officers before the memorial, is he saying that because hes putting pressure on the attorney general or is he saying that hes heard something from the attorney general . Reporter seems like its more on the pressure side right now, katy. The case has shifted in controls it. It went from the county and then Keith Ellison took control at the state level as attorney general. Keith ellison before he took control of this case actually said that he believed those three other fired minneapolis Police Department officers involved in the killing of george floyd. He said that he expected charges to come against those officers. So it could be a little bit of both. But, you know, we talk about the scene here , that Memorial Service that will happen tomorrow, thats the marker that you hear Benjamin Crump make, saying he expects charges to come before that Memorial Service. That service will be private for family and friends only. But here you continue to see very public commemorations. You mentioned the son of george floyd. Quincy came here. He spoke and thanked people for their support. The governor talked about a justice when the governor launched the civil complaint against the minneapolis Police Department. Our Morgan Chesky was here during his unannounced visit. Listen to a little bit of what the governor told morgan. Reporter what is justice . Its broader. Theres justice for george floyd and his family. And thats the moment in time. But the much broader piece of that is the reforms that people are asking. I think the things that we saw were incremental and incremental movements. Theres no time for that. Reporter now, we expect to hear from the governor addressing the state at about 4 00 p. M. Eastern time today. Again, he launched that civil charge. When he made that announcement launching that claim against the minneapolis Police Department, that will not only look at the floyd case but go back to ten years of patterns and practices by this department. He credited almost the protesters, the people that have come out peacefully to let their voice be heard. He said that pressure is adding to the movement and he says he wants to use all levers of power that he has to address the systematic discrimination in policing and in society. Katy . Shaquille brewster, thank you very much. Opening an investigation like that is a big step looking into an entire Police Department. To me it shows you how this shifted. I dont think five years ago you would have had any governor do that with their largest Police Department. Just an interesting, i think, change in sort of expectations of policy leaders right now. Minnesota officials filed civil rights charges against the minneapolis Police Department related to the death of george floyd. Joining us now is paul butler, law professor at georgetown university, msnbc legal analyst and the author of choke hold policing black men. I want to start with the specifics here, which is the three other officers. We keep hearing there are going to be charges brought. What do you expect the charges to be. Just as a lehmaayman, seems lik this could be difficult to prosecute. So aiding an offender isnt a crime in minnesota if you cover up, if you conceal. We know that there was a false Police Report filed. That report was a lie. Officers signed onto that. So that establishes culpability. They could be charged for something as serious as murder. The familys autopsy report say mr. Floyd died because of not just restraint to his neck, but restraint to other parts of his body. We know two other cops were holding him down, that prevented blood and oxygen from getting to his lungs and brain. So if the prosecutor wants to throw the book at them, they could also be charged with murder. So what youre saying is by simply signing off on the Police Report, every officer there had to sign it. Signing on that filed Police Report, that in itself could be part of the criminal charge. And basically whoever else touched him, restrained him. Yeah. We know at least two of the other officers helped restrain. The fourth officer basically held the crowd at bay, including one person who announced herself as a first responder, emt. She wanted to render aid and that cop wouldnt let her. At a moral level and a professional level for Police Officers, theyre all implicated. The question is is what exactly the criminal charges will be. Paul, what do you think of the legislation that Hakeem Jeffries has and nancy pelosi said she supported which would make it illegal for any Police Department or any Police Officer in this country to use a choke hold or to block a persons ability to breathe, essentially criminalizing it . I think its crucial. This isnt rocket science, katy. If you put your hands around someones neck and constrict their airways, theyre going to die. Numerous people have suffered and been killed by this police tactic, which is why its banned in most jurisdictions. Even in minneapolis where its allowed, its only supposed to be used where the police could otherwise use deadly force. So if the police were able to shoot someone under the law, theyre allowed to use the choke hold, otherwise not. Paul, very quickly, having a governor basically do what hes doing to the minneapolis Police Department, what do you make of that move . How unprecedented do you view it . And how many other Police Departments do you think should deserve a review as the one that minneapolis is going to be going under . So heres what i think is the most revealing fact. The current chief of the minneapolis Police Department is africanamerican. When he was a regular cop in minneapolis, he sued the minneapolis Police Department for discrimination. So i think these systemic investigations with the civil rights state Division Look closely at its practices over the last ten years, in some ways those are more important than criminal prosecutions they lead to systemic change. Its not like we dont know how to make Police Officers more effective. Theres a whole lot out there about ways that they could be trained better, about use of force, about talking to people better, to get cooperation, deescalation. So its not like we dont know. Its just whether folks have the will to do it. One incredible fact in minneapolis, only 7 of Police Officers live in the city. Theres no residency requirement. What we know is that when the people you patrol are your neighbors and friends, that makes a huge difference. Thats an amazing stat there, that 7 stat. Paul butler, georgetown university, expert on this stuff at georgetown law. Thanks for coming on and sharing your perspective. Chuck, we are awaiting a News Conference from George Floyds family and the new York Police Commissioner here in brooklyn. Plus, were learning about the role attorney general bill barr played in President Trumps walk to st. Johns church in d. C. For that bibletoting photo op. Youre watching msnbc. My name is christine payne, im an associate here at amazon. Step onto the blue line, sir. This device is giving us an Accurate Temperature check. Youre good to go. I have to take care of my coworkers. Thats how i am. 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Nationwide theres a push for federal prosecution standards for police and other reforms. Joining us now is alanna beverly, political strategist and former aide to president obama in the White House Office of urban affairs. Thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate you being here. Lets talk about specific reforms and try to zero in on what can be done. What were hearing a lot in new york is repealing a rule that would keep Police Records private. Were also hearing a lot of people about looking into the budgets of the Police Department. What do you think needs to happen to start to address some of these issues . Well, i think that as a trust matter we need justice for george floyd. So we need to ensure the Police Officers who were involved in the open lynching of george floyd are actually held accountable, ensuring that they are arrested and charged and that there are convictions. Too often we have these protests and we have demonstrations and we have unrest, and then when the time when that time passes, we dont have a conviction. In new york, in minneapolis, in cities across the country we need to have an evidence of the commitment on the part of local leaders and on the part of Police Departments to real structural reform. So that includes the transparency that those in new york are calling for. That includes the collection of data on the use of Excessive Force, the use of body cameras. It includes training on Community Policing and on bias and on deescalation. These are not new reforms. We know what needs to be done. We simply need the political will to recognize that black lives matter and that justice applies to everyone. So alanna, a lot of the issues that reformers have faced is the power structures that are in place to protect Police Officers. Theres a number of things involved, but some of them include when a Police Officer is investigated, theyre investigated by a section of that Police Department. Theres also a very powerful police union, and there is this feeling that the police offic s officeofficer officers that regular civilians dont understand, couldnt possibly understand how difficult it is to be a Police Officer. Theres hesitancy to put more controls on them because of what they do every day and how they put their lives in danger. Is there a way to reconcile that and also make policing more approachable, more communal . Theres a tension here, right . Because Police Officers take risks and put their lives at risk every day, in theory, to exercise safety and protect the community, to protect and serve the community. And so part of the standard that we have for the use of Excessive Force is a determination of what was objectively reasonable for the Police Officer to do at the time. Im not a criminal lawyer. I am a lawyer. Im not a criminal lawyer, but everyone knows thats an objectively reasonable standard. And the question is what would be reasonable when there is racism throughout the country and racism that continues to affect the Police Departments that are supposed to protect and serve us. Theres a level of immunity that applies to Police Officers that prevents them from being held accountable in a trial thats qualified immunity. Theres now a movement afoot to try to lessen the level of immunity that Police Officers would be able to have so that they can be held accountable in their individual capacity for the harms that they would inflict upon people of color. I think that what we recognize is that it is not easy to put yourself in harms way, to be a Police Officer. However, we have licensing for all levels of professions, and its an important profession that should require licensing and the able to to be held accountable when you overstep and make the wrong judgment. Alaina beverly, thank you very much for joining us today. We appreciate all your time. Chuck, ill throw it over to you. The licensing idea is something you dont hear a lot about. Its an intriguing one. Attorney general william barr is under scrutiny for clearing Lafayette Park for President Trumps visit to the church on monday. We have new details on the time line around that decision. Pete, i think a lot of folks also explain bill barrs role in directing the essentially the Police Response to these demonstrations. I think its pretty clear that the president has told the attorney general that he wants to make sure that the kind of things that happened over the weekend, the attack on the church, the fire that was set in the basement, the other kinds of looting and lawlessness that have happened dont happen again. So hes given barr that task and barr has been reaching out, were told, directly to some of the commanders of Law Enforcement units to try to carry out that responsibility, working from a command center not far from the white house. The explanation were given by several government officials goes like this, chuck. That either late sunday or early monday, the decision was made that the perimeter, that is to say the area in which people were not allowed to be in Lafayette Park, was supposed to be expanded. Now, this was well before anyone thought about President Trump going over to the church and holding up the bible. So the word went out, expand the perimeter. What were told is that sort of mid to Late Afternoon barr decided to go over and look for himself to see whether that was being done, and that at some point, either while he was on the way there to the Lafayette Park or after he arrived there, he was then told that the president planned to, quote, unquote, take a walk outside the white house, maybe come over to that area. We dont know that he knew the details of that. So that by then he had two factors in mind for the need to move people out of Lafayette Park. A, the original decision to expand the perimeter, and b, the need to clear it for the president. And he said to the commanders, you need to get people moving and he was told in one case we cant move right now because we have to get more guard enforcements, chuck. Very quick, pete. Is the attorney general officially sort of in charge of this new little mini federalized zone theyve created right now . You see where theres a lot of they created sort of different perimeters. Werent these folks have said theyre working for the justice department, i guess. Is he officially in charge of this, like a police chief . Well, i think hes in charge of Law Enforcement assets, not areas. So remember that all the federal Law Enforcement, park police, atf, fbi, marshals, all of are federal and in the command of the president who has delegated that the to the attorney general. Metropolitan police is different, but the answer is yes, hes in charge of the Law Enforcement assets, but not square footage. Fair enough. Pete williams with more transparency on the attorney generals role. Thank you, sir. Katy, over to you. You bet. Chuck, coming up, republican congressman steve king, wellknown for his history of racist comments, lost his reelection bid in iowa. Well look at his defeat and other major headlines from last nights primaries after the break. Youre watching msnbc. Youre clearly someone who takes care of yourself. 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While steve kings White Nationalist comments were not the only ones he made during his tenure in congress, hes criticized immigrants frequently throughout those nine terms. He compared them to drug mules coming across the border. He suggested that border walls should be electrocuted comparing them to livestock. Without committee assignments, he really capitalized on his infectiveness when campaigning. He reflects the values of that Fourth District. He said if he gets into congress, hell support President Trump, support his tax cuts, defund planned parenthood, all the values weve seen in that Fourth District. And strategists telling me that basically in the matchup with j. D. Shulton, the democratic in the race come november, its looking more likely that feenstra will take hold. Its important to point out that 64 of that republican primary le primary electorate, rejected steve king. Something that a lot of National Republican leaders are breathing a sigh of relief about. Thank you. Katy, over to you. Interesting that they focus on his effectiveness and not his words. Chuck, lets go to the other big take aways from tuesdays primary. Lets go to Nbc News National Political correspondent steve cornacki. What happened . If you look at the number of votes here for these this is high turnout for a primary. Obviously high interest in this race. You saw this notably throughout iowa yesterday. You had high turnout in this primary despite the pandemic, extensive mail in voting. The mail in voting appears to have resulted in high turnout in iowa, not just in this race. Now in terms of the general election, youre talking about the impact of feenstra being the republican nominee instead of king. This is a district that donald trump won by 27 points in 2016. Yet in, 2018, steve king had quite a scare. He was barely reelected in this same district. You take king, you take the inflammatory comments out of it, you put Randy Feenstra up there a likelihood the district will go back to that form in the congressional race. The other headline out of iowa, by the way, was on the democratic side. They had a senate primary. Teresa granfield was embraced by national democrats. She formally wins the democratic nomination. Shell go up against joanie ernst. You talk about colorado, maine, arizona, the top democratic targets. Theyre keeping an eye on teresa greenfield. There may be a sleeper in iowa. Potential for democrats. So teresa greenfield versus joanie earnst. Remember this name. Here is valerie plame. Major controversy around her outing as a cia agent. She ran for congress here in new mexico. Democratic prime airy. More recently she shared antisemitic content on line. That became an issue. Shes been defeated. Shell not be the democratic nominee. And one other thing to note, primaries in the states yesterday, pennsylvania, normally in pennsylvania in the past 2016, 2018, nearly every vote in pennsylvania typically in person 1. 8 million mail in votes in pennsylvania. Mail in ballots requested. Theyre still counting them today. No the a huge impact now because there werent a ton of primaries. Imagine the general election now. Wow. Steve, you and i talked about it. Such a good point. Its election month were going to have, right . Yes. Its not election night. Its election month in america. Yep. Election results will take forever. Thanksgiving, we hope. Yeah. And mail in ballots can change a lot. The steve, thank you very much. Ahead, were keeping an eye on minneapolis and the latest on the investigation. Youre watching msnbc. Ncht if they do have an eligible passport. 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Im chuck todd. Its 11 00 a. M. Out west, 2 00 p. M. In the east. Were waiting on a News Conference with George Floyds brother terrence floyd. Earlier this afternoon in minneapolis, an emotional moment played out before national audience. George floyds son visited the site of his fathers death alongside him, the lead attorney for the floyd family, benjamin crumb who demanded justice. So the message is clear, do your job to the people who are responsible for doing justice. Because all the world is watching. All the world is watching. Protests sparked by floyds death in Police Custody entered ninth day including demonstrations in our nations capital. This hour, hundreds are starting to gather. Today Capitol Police there took a knee in solidarity with the protesters. This a day after an extraordinary show of military force at one of the capitols most iconic monuments. Dozens of National Guard troops lined the steps of the lincoln memorial. Take that in. Tensions boiled over in washington on monday with park police unleashing chemicals and flash bag onz Peaceful Protesters in Lafayette Park. Its been revealed the streets were cleared on orders from the attorney general william barr so that president eventually could stage that photo op at st. Johns church. Mark esper who was at the photo op attempted to distance himself from the matter. Well, i did know that we were going to the church. I wasnt aware a photo op was happening, of course, the press drags a large press pool along with him. I try to stay apolitical and try to stay out of situations that may appear political. And sometimes im successful doing that. And sometimes im not as successful. Joining me for the hour, my coanchor katy tur. We started the last hour on that. And it is interesting to see again, i think some of the military veterans who are really apolitical didnt like what they saw. And just imagine jim mattis being put in that situation and whether he would have done what defense secretary esper did. We no he that the way jim mattis resigned his position in this administration over a principle that he felt could not be cross. Im also a little bit confused by espers explanations. He told carol lee our nbc News Reporters that did he not know that they were going to the church. He thought he was going to tour that vandalized bathroom, that burned out bathroom at the top of Lafayette Park. But then today in the News Conference, he said he knew he was going to the church but didnt know it was going to be a photoop. It is all very confusing. We do know from what our White House Team is reporting that the white house is not happy with esper. Well see what happens going from here. Well see. But i think the news this hour is going to be driven from minneapolis. Were going to begin there where moments ago we heard from both the son of george floyd and the familys attorney. Our own Shaquille Brewster is there. Shaq, i think the biggest thing were waiting on today is today we may find out how authorities may go after the three other Police Officers that have yet to be charged with anything. Thats right, chuck. That continues to be the demand of the family. That continues to be the demand of the familys attorney. And that continues to be the demand of people who continue to come to this site where george floyd was killed over a week ago. Ill let you take a look at the scenes behind me. That mural behind me, that was put up just yesterday. Youre seeing more flowers come n more murals, more signs. The son of george floyd Quincey Mason, he came here h if you look to your right over here, he you see the actual spot where he died. He came over to this section here. He took a knee. And he had a prayer. Then he spoke to people and thanked them for support that hes been receiving. Listen to what Quincey Mason had to say. Trying to get justice for my father. And no man or woman should be without their fathers. And we want justice for whats going on right now. That justice according to the family attorney family attorney is expected to come today or tomorrow before that ceremony in minneapolis. There will be a ceremony, a private ceremony for family and friends in minneapolis. This weekend there is a ceremony in North Carolina where he was born. Before he is laid to rest on tuesday in houston. The scene here, people continue to come in from all over. I always encounter someone from other states, people from other states, other areas. Coming to pay their respects, someone who came in today was the family or the governor, the governor stopped by. He read some of the cards. He looked at some of the flowers that were here. He also paid respects. He spoke and said that justice is coming to the family and Amy Klobuchar just tweeted just in the past couple seconds i was about to go to you about the tweet. Go ahead. Yeah. Ill read it for you right now. She writes ill read it for the viewers, Minnesota Attorney general keith ellis son is increasing charges against Derek Chauvin to Second Degree in George Floyds murder and also charging the other three officers. This is another important step for justice. And that was a tweet from Amy Klobuchar just in the past couple seconds here. And that is exactly the call that youve been hearing from people who have come out, who continue to come out to this site. Who continue to protest all across the twin cities. Yesterday we saw protests of 2,000 to 3,000 people to the state capitol. They want to see the wheels of justice to move and move swiftly. It looks like theyre starting to get some of what they want. Chuck . Yeah. Shaquille brewster, thank you. We heard in the last hour from paul butler an idea of what the charges could be. The Police Report signing off on that. And possibly any physical restraining the other officers did. So as we await what the charges against the other three officers look like, important context there that paul butler gave us. Yeah. And just a little bit what legal experts pointed tout me is what makes this is a lot different than the other cases weve seen around the country is that george floyd was already handcuffed when he was on the ground and when choefin wauvin using his knee to restrain him. He was already in cuffs when he held him down for those nine, ten minutes. Chuck, lets go to washington. Lets go back to the protests where folks are marching in the streets and gathering in front of the capitol building. Demonstrations continue across the country including here in d. C. Or there in d. C. Over the Police Killing of george floyd. Joining us now from washington, d. C. , is msnbc correspondent garret haake. I understand the perimeter around the white house has been expanded. Whats it like there at the capitol . Well, katy, there were significant protests earlier today at the capitol. Now im back on 16th street, about a block away from the white house. A block further away than where we were yesterday. You can see another significant federal Law Enforcement presence here. And what is really a stunning militarization of city streets and n. Washington, d. C. These officers are federal Law Enforcement of some variety. I would love to tell you more. But theyre not wearing any identifying badges and insignias, name plates. They wont tell me where theyre from. Some have texas flags on their shoulders. Some have bureau of prisons markings on their shoulders. It speaks to the federalization of the response here in washington, d. C. , which to the last 36 hours or so has been peaceful protests, almost entirely since that square was cleared the other day. You can see back behind me here not a great viewpoint. But about 150 protesters gathered here today on 16th street about a block away from lafayette square. It is hot in washington, d. C. , today about 90 degrees. Expected to get hotter. But folks are back out again on the streets today. And with the curfew pushed back to 11 00 tonight, frankly not particularly enforced last night, i expect well see them on the streets all day and all evening today. Katy and chuck . Looks like the president s words and the rose garden didnt do anything to make those protests get smaller. Garret haake, thank you very much. Chuck, over to you. The Live Television. The my apologies for anybody offended by language they may have seen written on any poster board there. Lets move to sarasota. A Police Officer is placed on administrative leave after a video surface ond social media showing the officer kneeling on the neck of black man during an arrest last month. Joining us is our roert. Tell us more about the story. Chuck, in the last hour we learned that the two other officers seen in that video were placed on desk duty. As soon as this video surfaced on social immediate yashgs people immediately started comparing it to the video leading up to George Floyds death. In this case, police say the man did not complain of any physical injuries. The police chief here in sarasota said she was still very disturbed b disturbed by what she saw. This cell phone video shows Police Officers detaining patrick carol. They were called out to dixie avenue on may 18th for a domestic dispute. You can see in the video one of the officers kneeling on the 27yearolds neck. A method they do not train for or stand behind. That officer is now on leave and under an internal investigation you got your knee on my mans neck. The arrest report says carol resisted officers and was brought to the ground using minimal force. Resisting arrest. To be as transparent as possible, they shared this chopper video showing the incident from beginning to end. We are bound and determined to do everything we can to rebuild and repair the relationships that were damaged in reference to whats going on in our community right now. Carol admits he saw similarities in the way police handled his arrest and that of george floyd. Now that i seen that, it that could have been me. I could have been dead on that ground and not standing here talking to you all right now. His mother wants police to be held accountable. Thats why shes choosing to speak out and take a stand. Im going to fight every day in this monitor. This is my right. This is mrs. Carols right. So if you want to join my riot, lets riot. I love to walk. I have on my walking shoes. With very to do it quietly. I wasnt answers. And i did ask Sarasota Police for the officers full name. They are not releasing it to me at this point. They say because safety concerns. They do admit the officer made a mistake. They say his actions will be held accountable not just on the individual level but across this entire organization. Back to you. Allison henning of our affiliate wfla reporting from sarasota, thanks so much. Over to you. Chuck, this week former Vice President joe biden called on congress to immediately pass legislation on police reform. The legislation he endorsed was a federal ban on choke hold proposed by new york congressman jeffries. Congressman jeffries first introduced the measure in 2015 in response to the death of eric garner. I caught up with him today to find out what the next steps may be to get that legislation passed. Speaker pelosi said she was going to support your choke hold legislation. Well, here in the United States of america, not a single individual should ever be choked to death particularly by Law Enforcement. And the use of a choke hold or a knee to the neck or any other tactic that results in strangulation is unnecessary, unacceptable, uncivilized, unconscienceable and unamerican. Im thankful for leadership and nancy pelosi and joe biden and others. You tried to do this before. It never made it out of committee. Democrats control the house now. But still if you had made it out or brought up, was this what was needed to get people onboard . Chairman nadler supports the bill. Thats been the case throughout the entirety of this congressional term. First introduced the eric garner excessive use of force prevention act a year after he was killed on the streets of staten island. It never moved anywhere. Last year we held a hearing where eric garners mom along with reverend sharpton did testify before the House Judiciary Committee in support of the bill. So it has momentum even before the death of george floyd in minneapolis. What this is an impetus with great leader shep with Speaker Pelosi for the house to act now with urgency necessary given the Police Violence epidemic that were suffering through. If the house passes it, can they pass a republican led senate . It seems to me that every major Police Department in in the country, the new york Police Department, the los angeles Police Department, the chicago Police Department, the philadelphia Police Department, the boston Police Department have all said that the choke hold should not be used. Thats a matter of policy. The problem is it hasnt stopped rogue Police Officers perfect deploying it. Thats why it needs to be made unlawful. And so what were saying is that we should follow Police Practices and recommendations. Dont take our word for it. Take the word of these major Police Departments or we need to make it unlawful. Do you think he would bring it to the floor . If he do, would republicans vote for it . Its my hope that Mitch Mcconnell will understand the need to address the Police Violence, Police Brutality and Police Misconduct epidemic that we have in america, that people have taken to the streets to try to combat, of every race. This is not a republican issue or democratic issue. Its an american issue. Outlaw this uncivilized tactic whether it is a choke hold or knee to the neck. Police departments throughout america, here in new york, philadelphia, boston, chicago, los angeles have all said that strangulation tactics should not be deployed. Thats why we need to make it unlawful. The president is not in favor of limiting Police Departments. He is in favor of what he calls law and order and dominating the streets. Do you think youre going to need a change in the administration to get this passed . Thats possible that we will need a change in the administration. But we cannot wait. We need to act. There are people led by young africanamericans throughout the country have taken to the streets because they understand the need to address systemic racism that continues to exist throughout the land. And im proud of those young people. I support them. I love them. I am them. And we also know that the protests are multiracial, multigenerational and multicultural. White, black, latino, asian, have all come out. And so i think now is the time for their voices to be heard. The first step is for the house of representatives to act. So, chuck, he first introduced this legislation in 2015. He tried to get it twice out of committee. It did not get out of committee when the republicans were in control of the house. Now that jerry nadler and the democrats are in control of the house and jerry nadler is in control of the judiciary committee, he says that he expects this legislation to be on the house floor by the end of this month. This morning on morning joe, nancy pelosi named, chuck, this legislation as something that congress can do in order to address Police Misconduct. But again, its unclear what might happen in the senate. Its unclear what might happen if the president gets ahold of this. I does readily admit it may need to be a change in the administration in order for legislation like this to get passed. You know, its interesting. If they go with the peace meal approach with the choke hold, right, and banning specific practices like this, ill be interested to see if Mitch Mcconnell sort of tables it or doesnt. His hometown is louisville, kentucky. Louisville is, you know, right now one of the three places where in the last three months weve had one of these abuse of incidents, the killing of brianna taylor. Ill be curious to see the senate reaction. I wouldnt assume theres none. Thats all. I wouldnt assume theres none. But well find out. Thats for sure. By the way, were awaiting news out of minnesota. 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George floyd was killed over a week ago. You see instant celebration. People pulled out phones. Some yelled out we got all the officers. And there was a chant saying we got all four. We got all four. There was one lady who was in the middle of the circle who said this is exactly why were fighting th fighting. This is what were fighting for. Thats what theyre celebrating now. People are taking a knee right now. And i believe, you know this is a scene that weve been seeing for the past couple of for the past week, the past couple of days, and people taking a knee. They take a prayer. And i think thats what were about to see now. Lets flip around to the other side because this is the middle. This is the organizer doing it right now. You see theyre putting fists up right now. He just said white, black, brown. This is another very diverse crowd that we continue to see here at the site. I see that. Were fighting back. Respect for our ancestors that fought for our freedom and our rights. A new generation to fight for equal rights. Yes. Chuck, were seeing so many young people here. People are bringing children here saying this is going to be your fight that youre going to have to take. And, again, they go back to that young lady that i saw. The young lady said this is why were fighting. This is why were out here. This is what we wanted. They feel like they got exactly what theyve been looking for. What theyve been calling for. Mind you, if you talk to a lot of people, this should have come a couple days ago. Theyre happy with with what theyre seeing now. A good warning though. Someone yelled out we got the charges. Now we need a conviction. The fight for justice is not over. Chuck . Yeah. That is another reminder. Charges are one thing. Convictions are always a little hearter to come by when it comes to former Police Officers. Shaq, stay close, brother. Well be coming back to you in a minute or two. Chuck, let me just add a little to that. I was walking the streets with protesters in new york here, that is what i heard over and over again. People wanted those other three officers to be charged. They didnt like the idea or they said they felt like the police were living by and working by different set of rules than they were working by. And they wanted to rectify that. They want this these arrests and these charges to show that if you do something wrong as a Police Officer that there are consequences. The same way for most of us. Lets bring in andrea mitchell. Its really great to talk to you. We want you ton day because of something we saw in philadelphia. With the protesters there. As they were mafing against Police Brutality, one of the one thing that happened is protesters took down the statue of a storied philadelphia mayor, frank rizzo. You used to cover him. What does it mean for that statue to no longer be standing in philadelphia . The statue of frank rizzo actually the mayor, the democratic mayor, mayor kenny, promised it would come down. It was supposed to come down in 2021 because of years of protest against it. It has been up for two decades. In front of the Municipal Services building across from city hall. It was due to come down. Then he accelerated it so the city actually took it down overnight. It came down on to a flat bed truck at 2 00 this morning. Frank rizzo really represented the worst kind of police pru broou talt back in the day in philadelphia. The kind of institutional racism that existed in many cities and still exists now. But it did represent really the analogy, i would say, is bringing down of the confederate war statues because frank rizzo was the police chief. He was a law and order police chief. He gloried in toughness and then a two term mayor. And in fact ran for a third term after switching parties. The fact is he described himself not just as a law and order mayor but in very, very graphic terms that i cant even speak on television. He did it on a live broadcast News Conferences when we ask him questions. He stripped naked the black panthers, lined them up against the wall and called in the newspaper photographers to take pictures that were on the front page of the tabloids of these men facing the wall. But with their buttocks exposed. He did everything he could to humiliate the black minorities and other people of color and home xals as it was a rough time for police supporting the Police Reforms as well as School District and educational reforms. So it was a rough time. Rough time to be a woman in that midst which they didnt have many women journalists and he toughened um toughened up a lot of us. He also had tremendous support in white ethnic communities. Thats what i want you to contrast for folks. Were watching President Trump, you know, he talks law and order and trying to go back to sort of an old playbook. You can call it the old nixon playbook. Whatever you want to call it. Depend on your generation what you might call it. And while that worked in the 70s and 80s in the suburbs of philadelphia, tell us the difference today. I dont know if its going to work today in the suburbs of philadelphia. Well, actually, i got a call from a very well known democrat in pennsylvania, pennsylvania politics just two days ago warning me that the violence we were seeing around the country was changing the tone of people calling him White Residence of pennsylvania, especially in western pennsylvania, that the election could be turned again by what was what we were seeing if this were to persist. People were talking about President Trump. Is after the monday speech in the prose garden. That law and order appeal, i was frank rizzo i went with the press from philadelphia local press pool to washington and n. 1972 when he endorsed democratic big city mayor, machine Democratic Politics endorsed Richard Nixon for reelection because of a law and order issue. That is the first time i was ever in the oval office. We got escorted in to meet president nixon and then j. Edgar hoover when went to the fbi building with him. He had all of the credentials. And for a democrat to walk his own party and endorse the president for reelection that, is the first time i covered well, i covered the 68 riots. But i then covered the protests against nixon at the 72 convention in miami. The first time i was ever tear gassed. This brings back the reelection, the election of 68 and reelection of 72 of Richard Nixon. That is the playbook in Donald Trumps brain, i think. We shall see. Andrea mitchell, thank you for that perspective. Katy, over to you. You bet. Chuck, joining us now is msnbc legal analyst maya wiley. Really great to you have today. I know were waiting on the charges to be announced for the three other officers. Run through what might be on the table. Good to be with you, katy. You know, what might be on the table is aiding and abetting. That means that the other officers two elements, the other officers helped, supported, were complicit in the death of mr. George floyd in a way that is intentional and intentional here means, one, that you knew this was happening. You know, that this murder was in process. And that you then intended to help. In this case, helping means not helping mr. George. But it goes a little further that that. I think paul talked about this earlier. You know, the question here is how they will lay out the specific role that each individual officer played. As we know, weve seen the video where two of the officers are physically holding mr. George down as well and at least one appears to have pressure on his back. We know from the autopsy report that the family commissioned that those medical examiners, those doctors who are well trained and well experienced said, look, these other officers contributed to the death the. And to the officer who simply watched while all the on lookers were saying, yes, hey, hes he cant breathe. You all are going to kill him. It was obvious to those standing around what was happening. That is strong evidence that it therefore was also obvious to the Police Officers. So i expect to see the aiding and abetting and one of the things to note about it that is so important is if you aid and abet, youre guilty of the crime. That is im glad you made that distinction. I was going to ask if there would be other charges for the other two men physically restraining george floyd and the one gentleman who was standing guard really for the other officers. Im curious though when you consider that george floyd was already in custody, he was already handcuffed, what does that mean for prosecutors ability to make a successful case against these officers . We all know charges are one thing. But convictions are another. Yes. And unfortunately as we have seen convictions are have been far too difficult yet even with video evidence. Your point is really important, katy. I know you made this point earlier. A defense that Police Officers often use is the person was resisting arrest. And, therefore, i was Law Enforcemently using force. My force was justified. So here the fact that mr. Floyd was not resisting, theres no evidence of resisting. One of the concerns, and i think one of the reasons why the governor removed this case from the County District attorney is they were they put in the complaint that he had been resisting arrest earlier. That was irrelevant. He was not resisting arrest at the time. And thats the only thing that is relevant. The only other thing i would say here is even when youre resisting arrest, force can be excessive. And we should be careful not to even in the face of Police Officers who say resisting arrest to say you still cant asphyxiate someone. You still cant strangle them. You can apply pressure for a brief period of time. But i dont know anyone who would argue that if someone is reasting arrest then it doesnt matter what you do to subdue them. But in this case, there was not even resistance. And thats one of the things that can typically complicate the prosecution of these cases. Maya, hang with us here. We have a new statement from the floyd family. The attorney Benjamin Crump released this statement. This is a bittersweet moment. Were deeply gratified that the attorney general took decisive action, arresting and charging all the officers involved in George Floyds death and upgrading the charge against Derek Chauvin to felony seconddegree murder. If you could stick with us, also joining us is another former prosecutor herself. She is also a former u. S. Senator and msnbc political analyst clair mckas kel. Senator mckas kel, you know, this explain what is going to be its one thing what the charges are going to be. How do you difficult do you expect this prosecution tore, particularly of the officers that are not Derek Chauvin . Well, what has just happened if this is in fact the case, by upgrading the charges to seconddegree murder, the prosecutor now has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that these Police Officers intended to kill george floyd. The previous charges, it was a standard of depraf ti or indifference but not a specific intent. Now there must be a specific intent charge. And maya is right. One of the defenses, its most common in cases against Police Officers, they always have a defense that they can convince the jury they were in reasonable fear for themselves or others. Well, this man was handcuffed. Wh the accused murderer rolled up in his patrol car. So there was no danger to these Police Officers or to others. So now its going to come down to intent. Can the prosecutor prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was an intention to kill this man . I believe based on what i read, and i havent seen the whole file, but what really is going to be key here is the amount of time that passed between the officer checking for the pulse and the time they finally took the knee off the neck. An officer checked for a pulse and said i dont feel one and almost three minutes passed after that point in time before the knee was removed from the neck. Thats three minutes where those other officers could have done something. They could have said something. They could have acted. The fact that they did nothing even though they have not been charged directly with a crime, theyve been charged with aiding and abetting, the jury can iner if by the action or inaction that they also intended for this victim to die. So i think there is a higher burden here. But its but its one that i think they have some powerful evidence to take to the jury. Let me ask you this, clair. Much its possible one of these officers decides to cut a deal, right . And maybe becomes a witness for the prosecution here. You expect Something Like that in this case . Is this something if you were a prosecutor that you would welcome as a development if one of the other three officers say that, you know, maybe decides there is regret. We dont know. Maybe he has something to offer if hes got something specific to offer. Do you expect an attempt by Something Like that . Well, the original complaint mentioned an officer asking shouldnt we roll him over . You know . And even made reference to a physical condition. So maybe that officer would have the best chance to make a plea deal and say to the prosecutors heres what i can tell you. But i dont think any prosecutor in this case is going to make a deal unless there is something that can be offered that really cements the intent. And i havent seen the Police Reports. I dont know whats there. But i know this. If you stand silently in front of a jury for three minutes, thats a long time that those officers had after somebody said they couldnt find a pulse. Senator, what were hearing right now is a live theres a live pictures of minneapolis and were hearing pretesters singing we will overcome. Im curious to ask you about your old colleagues in the senate. Today Speaker Pelosi said she endorsed some legislation that was brought back in 2015 by Hakeem Jeffries which would ban choke holds in Police Departments across this country, ban any maneuver that would impair a person from breathing. What is the likelihood . And they expect this to pass the house maybe at the end of this month. What is the likelihood that the senate would take that up and then pass it . Well, first of all, you have to id have to read the legislation. The are they saying no federal funds can go to local Police Departments unless they ban choke holds . Or the kind of knee hold that was done in this case . Is it that, i think, is perfectly reasonable. Are they going to make it a federal crime for Police Departments to use one of these holds . . I think that would be much more controversial. But keep in mind, what the federal congress does does not necessarily reach state and local Police Departments. What reaches state and local Police Departments is state law. And the decisions of Police Chiefs and mayors and city councils. The so i dont know how its written. They can certainly withhold any federal funds that Police Departments might be entitled to if a Police Department refuses to outlaw these kinds of holds on suspects. Maya, the decision by the attorney general to upgrade the charge, you know, there was it did seem as if the county attorney and im certainly im guessing your familiar with this. You run into this sort of fine line on one hand you want to make sure you can get a conviction for your charge and on the other hand, you dont want to undercharge. Is there risk here upgrading . Well, as clair said so rightly, the standard that the prosecution has to need is higher. I also agree that the facts here lend themselves to a murder in the Second Degree charge for the very reasons that clair so he will consequently laid out. I think the concern here is when you have something that even the Police Department i have toll you living in new york city and looking at cases around the country where usually you put them on desk duty and keep paying them and then allow an investigation to play out, thats a strong indication that the Police Department itself was extremely disturbed by what it saw. I want to give one other example. There was a case in minneapolis where a young man was charged with seconddegree murder for child abuse. Horrific. The child died. Why would we say that Police Officers not have to essentially face the same type of charges for such egregiousness . Certainly its a higher standard. One of the reform thats people are talking about for decades now is the fact that District Attorneys also have Close Relationships with Police Departments. And the relationships and there have been real calls for considering independent prosecution where there is police abuse. Just to make sure, and im not ascribing any bad or ill intent on the District Attorney here. But relationship dozen sometimes shade whether or how badly you think an actor or behavior is. Yeah. And District Attorneys have to work hand in hand with Police Departments a lot of times to bring charges against suspects. Just so everyone knows, on the left hand side of your screen, were awaiting for the attorney general of minnesota keith ellis son to announce these charges, to specify what the charges are for the three Police Officers and also announce the upgraded charges for Derek Chauvin. On the ground in minneapolis at the site where george floyd died in Police Custody is Shaquille Brewster. We saw them singing we will overcome. What are people telling you . Yeah. This has always been a sacred ground since he died at this scene. You saw people here paying respects, bringing flowers, coming out to pay respects. And then the news broke. Someone read it out loud. Thats when you saw that organic celebration. They were singing we shall overcome and they were teaching people the words of the song. I have ireland that came from wisconsin. What was it like to be here during that time . It was beautiful. Honestly. I have never heard that many people sing it that loud before. I used to sing it when i was a kid. It was really beautiful to see everyone out here supporting and then when the news broke, it was just awesome. I have my friends here with me to support me. The theyre wonderful. And i couldnt thank anyone else in the world for. I saw you during the song with your fist in the air. Tears were coming down your face. What did you think when you heard that the officers, all four officers involved in his killing were being charged . Take your time. I think its awesome. You know, i think it needed to happen. I think that it will be a wakeup call for the whole nation that this stuff actually goes on. And its not not happening just because you dont see it. And we will get our justice. And we will have our allies. And we will not be caught. You traveled here several hours from wisconsin to come here. What made you come here originally . Originally, this is mine, i didnt grow up too far from here around the hudson area. I heard that this happened, i mean it happened three times during the course of quarantine where a black life has been taken and there has been no action on it. I just felt i was compelled to come here and show my. Im not too far away so whatever i can do to help. I brought a cooler of water and snacks to hand out to everyone. So im just here to help and show my support and love. Katie, ireland is not alone in bringing snacks. People have been bringing lunches and flowers, water for people. Its a hot day out here. People have been trying to do whatever they can to make it a little easier for people to be here and pay respects. I want to ask you, why did you come here . What was it like to see that moment of everyone singing we shall overcome . It was really inspiring and beautiful as ireland said. And i grew up in milwaukee. Ive always had a very Diverse Group of Family Friends and friends. So i just wanted to come out and support everyone because its something i strongly believe in and also support my friend ireland. Explain that, support your friend ireland. Well, i am privileged and i can do things that ireland cant do by herself. I wanted to make sure that she is safe when she comes to places because its just not a safe world. Not everyone can be here on the ground at the site where george floyd was killed. For, you know, on tv we only get a narrow view of what it looks like. Explain for people not here, what is it like being here at this site . This entire intersection . What do you see . What do you feel . Its peaceful and no one is fighting. Period. Everyone is here to help each other. And be kind to one another. No one is fighting. No one has any ill will towards anyone. Think want justice. And they want what is theirs and they deserve justice. And thats all i got to say. How about you . What do you see looking around looking at the site . Yeah, i just see a Community Coming together to help everyone out. And its really beautiful and peaceful and were all here for the same reason, to get justice. Thank you so much for coming and speaking with us. I hope you get to have the commemoration that you wanted. Thank you again. Thank you. Katy, there you have it. People coming from all over. And i met someone yesterday from texas. I met someone from colorado. People driving up to pay i respects and have that commemoration here at the site where george floyd died over a week ago. Chuck . Thank you, shaq. By the way, while you with doing your interview we split screened you there with the protest taking place in washington, d. C. , where we saw Elizabeth Warren meeting with some protesters, taking a few selfies. I know some viewers saw it. Were also watching some protests around the country as well. But katy, as we await here, were still waiting for the attorney general to come out and formally announce what apparently everybody else is announcing for him from Amy Klobuchar to the family attorney putting out a statement. It seems as if everybody has it. I got a little news here. We showed the interview with Hakeem Jeffries and the legislation to ban choke holds. I just got a text from senator gillibrands team saying that she will be introducing the Senate Version of that bill this week. I asked specifically clairs question which is, is it criminalizing the choke hold or is it talking about taking away federal funds from Police Departments who refuse to ban it . They say it will make choke holdings a federal civil rights violation so that officers who use them can be prosecuted at the federal level. Effectively, banning the use. Just one other thing. The new York City Council has been trying to criminalize choke holds here in new york city up until what happened with george floyd the mayor of this city was not in support of that. But there are questions about whether his opinion of it might have changed. The nypd bans their use. But making it a criminal offense would take that one step further. Right. You know, it is interesting. Leave it to clair mick kas kel being someone that tries to spend a lot of time trying to make sure and go back and forth on both sides of the aisle trying to get compromise legislation. She kind of outlined where there if there is interest on the other side of the aisle of finding some sort of broad agreement that you may have it as a funding where you use federal funding to essentially coerce state and local officials to ban these practices. Yeah. As she said, it might be easier to get that passed in a Republicancontrolled Senate over criminalizing it. Well see what happens. Protesters say this could be an Inflection Point where the overwhelming pressure and overwhelming outrage youre seeing on these streets could force change that would have otherwise been much harder to do. I wouldnt be surprised if you see a lot of local or even state governments. Maybe they do criminalize or do create some sort of ban on these practices in conjunction if the federal government creates that funding, the funding incentive, if you will. Lets recap where we are. Were a few minutes away from the top of the hour. Were awaiting news from spalt. Paul on what weve been reporting on in the last few minutes. According to a tweet posted by minnesotas senior senator Amy Klobuchar, charges against the other three officers involved in George Floyds death are expe expected. She says the attorney general will not only charge the other three officers, but increase the charges against Derek Chauvin to Second Degree murder. Nbc news has not independently seen this. We havent seen the documents. The Minneapolis Star Tribune is reporting similar developments as well. Were awaiting that press conference. Katy. And as we await that press conference, what were seeing right now, live pictures in minneapolis. As Shaq Brewster was just saying, chuck, it was the protesters were really moved by being there, but also felt really vindicated by the announcement or the news at least from Amy Klobuchar so far that these other three officers will be charged and there will be upgraded charges on chauvin. It is something that came up over and over again as i was walking alongside protesters in new york city, this idea that in order for this to be justice for george floyd and justice for black americans on the whole and black americans who have felt victimized by the police, that they needed to see all four of those officers face repercussions. Chuck, when you watch that video i remember the first time i saw that video, it was so difficult to watch, all nine minutes of it, seeing George Floyds face, watching chauvin have his knee on his neck, but also watching that officer in front stand there and look the people on the street in the eye as they were saying, you are killing him, he cant breathe, and to just stand there blankfaced and not reacting. It was so hard to see that. Every bone in your body as a human wants to help somebody who is in pain. You want to help somebody. It made you want to reach through your screen and help that man. It made me consider what i would do in that scenario, how i would try to physically help somebody in that circumstance. But you have to take it from the perspective of those people on the street. It is a scary thing to try and forcibly remove a knee from a neck as a Police Officer is doing that. What this would do, seeing these officers face charged, if they are convicted, seeing them get convicted, would mean that the people watch iing, the people watching would be justified in going up to a Police Officer and saying, you cant do this, you are killing a man, you are killing a woman, you have to have some humanity. I believe Claire Mccaskill is still with us. Claire, you were a prosecutor in kansas city, Jackson County prosecutor. Explain the relationship between prosecutors and Law Enforcement and how you think thats evolving over the last few decades. Well, theres always friction there because police never bring the prosecutor a case that they dont think should be filed. The prosecutors job is to evaluate the case and make an independent judgment from the police. That should be true, also, for cases of unnecessary force, Excessive Force or in this instance murder, in charging Police Officers. But maya is right. Theres relationships. Some prosecutors are better and stronger at being independent. One thing i wanted to circle back on, im not sure what the minnesota law is. But in most states, the prosecutor and or defense lawyers may have an opportunity to require that the judge instruct on a lesserincluded homicide, and that will be a really difficult decision if its the prosecutors decision. What you do lets say you instruct on Second Degree murder, if you find he intended to kill this man or third degree murder if you found that he had depravity and didnt care about this life of this man. That would be a situation where you might get a compromised verdict. You might be able to convict him on murder three or there might be one or two holdouts on murder two. So getting a conviction at the end of this on murder two for all four of these gentlemen, it is definitely doable, but there will be pressure to be safe you can imagine what might happen if this man was found innocent of doing this, what it would do to this country. Keith ellison has a big job in front of him managing this prosecution in a way that is true to the evidence, but also make sure that these men are held accountable. Well, i mean, we dont want to talk about that. I lived in south florida when convictions didnt happen and charges didnt happen, and that doesnt that doesnt go over well when those things happen either. So one thing to get charges. Not getting a conviction could have a huge impact on all of us. Stick with msnbc for the latest on this story as it develops on behalf of katy and myself, we thank you for trusting us these last two hours. Nicolle wallace and Brian Williams will pick things up after this quick break. Brian williams here with you once again. 3 00 p. M. In the east, 2 00 p. M. In minneapolis where there have been Significant Developments into the investigation of the killing of george floyd, the unarmed africanamerican man who died with a knee to his neck during a traffic stop on memorial day. Oddly it was minnesota senator Amy Klobuchar who tweeted within the last hour that the charges against derrick chauvin, the Police Officer who put his knee on floyds neck and kept it there, have been elevated to Second Degree murder. He had been charged with third degree murder and manslaughter. The charges will be filed against the other three officers involved in floyds death, something protesters across our country have demanded. The Minneapolis Star Tribune saying they will be charged with aiding and abetting murder. Were waiting to hear officially from the attorney general Keith Ellison who has been appointed by the governor, as well as the governor himself, tim walz. A short time ago crump family attorney im sorry floyd family attorney Benjamin Crump issued this statement, quote, this is a significant step forward on the road to justice, and we are gratified that this important action was brought before George Floyds body was laid to rest. He went on to say we encourage attorney general ellison to continue his investigation, and we hope and expect to see the charges ultimately upgraded to first degree murder. No man or woman should be without their fathers, and we want justice for whats going on right now. I appreciate everyone showing support and love. I thank yall for that. Just so emotional. That happened at the site of George Floyds fatal encounter with Police Officers. He and members of floyds family including his son there, took a knee and prayed before describing the pain his family has felt as a result of his death. This is what things look like. We have a live picture for you nou at the location where george floyd died on memorial day. Family members and the neighborhood have been treating this as a sacred site, saying they would put up with no violence there and indeed for days and days on end, its been peaceful. The sound only of praying, sporadic speeches and remarks to the crowd. The neighborhood itself has become something of a shrine. The country, for that matter, is enduring protests for a ninth day, protests largely peaceful, the majority peaceful, have been calling for charges to be filed against all of the officers in the case as well as more accountability nationwide for Police Officers and an end to institutional racism. At this point lets bring in nicolle wallace, host of deadline white house at 4 00 p. M. On this network. Nicolle, it does feel like pieces are in place and moving today. Yeah. I think we will probably still be on the air together when this story changes yet again. I think someone who probably has a better sense of that on this quickly moving news day is our colleague gabe gutierrez. Hes there at the scene of the pictures weve been showing at the scene of George Floyds death in minneapolis. Gabe. Reporter hey, nicolle. Were here at the scene where, as you mentioned, just a few minutes ago there was spontaneous cheering that came out when people learned of senator klobuchars tweet. This was the site where shortly before that there had been a very Emotional Press Conference by the son of george floyd. Family Attorney Ben Crump was here which you just described a short time ago. I want to take you into that moment when there was people gathering here and celebrating tho those that first report of news, that there might be upgrades in charges in this case. Maam, you were here just a little time ago. You got on the ground on one knee and there was a celebration of the reports of these charges. Why are they so significant . Theyre significant because we got them. We have been out here protesting, marching peacefully, and we got something, we got something. Like i said before, i cant say im happy. I cant say im mad about the charges. I cant say any of that. I dont think ill be happy until me, my sisters, my brothers cannot be scared of the police. Just because you charge them, doesnt mean its going to stop the force, all the blue lives that do this to our people, our community. I wont be satisfied until i can wake up and have kids and have them not fear their lives just for being black, for being darker than other people. Its not enough. I can say its not enough. Its not enough until everything changes. Zoe, thank you very much so much for talking to us. This is so emotional. This pain is coming out for so many people here. Its beautiful. Show this, show this on the media. You want to talk about how many are rioting and looting . Look at this community that came together. When i was marching on that bridge, i had a full meal the whole day, bananas the whole day, i had bananas, snacks. People i never met before caring for me. I was ten feet over there, a woman asked if if she could spray sunscreen on me so i wouldnt burn. The love people have for each other is insane. What theyre showing on the media is disgusting. Were not mad were mad but were peaceful and were fighting for our community. Were not fighting, were standing together, and i hope you show that. I hope you show the world that. Reporter zoe, more panned more people have told me this is not about just george floyd. This is about so much more. Talk to me about this community, what minneapolis has had to go through in the previous years. Yesterday the state opened a civil rights investigation against the minneapolis Police Department. Tell me about that. How is this bigger than george floyd . This is bigger than george floyd. I cant name you how many black men have died, i cant name how many people have suffered from Police Brutality, how many are scared when they get pulled over, when they go to their grocery store, when they leave their house. I cant tell you. I can tell you were standing up. Were scared but were standing up. Reporter zoe, thank you very much. Nicolle and brian, were still awaiting word from the states attorney general office. I do want to ask you, right now the reports are that the three officers would be charged with aiding and abetting and the upgraded charge for the main officer from third degree to Second Degree murder. Again, were awaiting the official announcement. If those charges turn out to be the case, are those charges enough for you and all the people here . Theyre not enough. Why is that . Theyre not enough until i can walk on the street and feel safe. Theyre not enough until every officer is held accountable. Its not going to be enough. Its not going to be enough until we feel safe in our community and that officers until officers protect and serve and use their badge appropriately rather than using it to murder people. Its not enough. One last thing, were here at the site where george floyd took his last breath. Have you been here before or is this your first time . This is my first time. Monica has been here. We were walking on the bridge on sunday, was it . Weve been out here. Weve been using our voices, and im proud of us for using our voices. And im so proud of you look around. Its not just black people here. Its white people, brown people. I love this. I love this. It wont be enough until were all safe, until we can all feel safe. Zoe, thank you so much for speaking with us, sharing your story, that raw pain and emotion. Thank you so much for speaking with us. Nicolle, as we look around here, you can see how many people have come to this, people of all walks of life, young and old, black and white. Right now they are awaiting the official word from the state attorney general of those potential charges against the officers. As zoe just so eloquently put it, this is just such a raw, emotional moment that happened here a few moments ago. Its just something after several days of covering this, being here a week, this is what many people are feeling right now. Its not just an anger or an outrage. Its deep emotional pain that many people are feeling here. Nicolle, back to you. Gabe, do me a favor and tell Zoe Schaeffer of minneapolis we see her, we hear her, everyone saw her and heard her today. Shes always welcome to come talk to us about anything on her mind in these days. Joining our conversation now, eddy claude, professor of africanamerican studies at Princeton University and an msnbc contributor and melissa murray, nyu law professor who clerked for justice sotomayor, now Supreme Court justice sotomayor. Ed eddy, i dont want to lose the thread that Zoe Schaeffer introduced, a gift to all of us. Im sure shes got this more right than i would get it, that this is a development to be covered if it bears out, the charges against officer chauvin may be upgraded and the other officers may be charged. But in zoes words, its not enough until she feels safe in her community. Thats a very important point, right . In the history of these sorts of cases, even if the officers are charged and theyre taken to court, often theyre acquitted, theres no justice. We can place this within a broader historical context, nicole. Usually when there is this kind of what is seen as a concession. Were going to charge the officers with Second Degree. Were going to charge the other officers with in some ways being complicit. Then you get the question, what more does the negro want, which is the historic question that were asked all the time in these sorts of situations. That question actually reveals the deep underlying problem. We want to be treated like human beings, like all human beings are treated. And until we have a society that treats us equally across the board, we will still find our voice to call attention to deep inequality and injustice in this country. Let me follow up on that with you, melissa. Absent nationwide and they have turned into international protests on the street, ignited by what we all saw with our own eyes, heard with our own ears, would these charges have changed . Are they just responding to an International Outcry over the initial charges not being adequate . Well, its hard to say. Obviously there may be a political element to this in the escalation of charges. It may also be that in the footage of the event, in investigating the relationship between the two men, they actually have found evidence of intent, and thats the difference between the original charge, third degree murder and Second Degree murder, is the presence of intent. As more facts come out, they may be able to escalate the charges even further. First degree murder in minnesota requires elements of premeditation which is substantially harder to show. Its worth noting, this is just the charging phase. They can bring these charges and it may be solved for the family as a dignitary matter. When it goes to trial, it will ultimately be up to the prosecutor to show this was an intentional killing even though it lacked premeditation and not simply a reckless killing. That will be the question, whether hell be ultimately convicted of Second Degree murder or of some lesser charge. Eddie glaude, im still caught up in the words of Zoe Schaeffer. Why do we need any other voice right now . Im looking at the notes i was taking while she spoke. Its not enough until everything changes. Were scared but were standing up. It seems to me that could speak for the whole movement. Yes. It demonstrates and illustrates, brian, a level of courage and commitment in the face of what is historic wrongdoing. It seems as if this is the kind this is a couple lated grievance. Think about how young they were when trayvon was killed or how young they were when Michael Brown was killed, right . So 2014, 2014. Six years ago. And what has happened between 2014 and now . Well, what we know is theres still been Police Killings r killings, that our communities are still policed in the same way. What we see here with this makeshift memorial is that once again we have a site in a town that has back sacred space for black folk, a space where violence was exact ed and georg floyds dirt the grime from this spot may find its way to the lynching memorial in montgomery, alabama. We heard it in the trembling voice of zoe just a few minutes ago. Melissa, as i come to you were watching on the righthand side of the screen the speaker of the house going over to, at least as close as she can get, to Lafayette Park. New barricades moved in overnight. That is actually i am wrong. That is the capitol grounds, not Lafayette Park. I just saw the dome in the background. Perhaps she is headed to a demonstration. But melissa, i want to tell you, since weve been having our conversation, the court system in minneapolis has put on its website indeed the charge has been upgraded from murder three to murder two. To piggyback on your earlier comments, i am guessing what prosecutors want to badly to avoid is kind of overshooting the target on a murder charge, applying a murder charge that they can walk away from a courtroom with a guilty verdict or at least the highest chance of that. They can assure themselves of that before going to court. I think thats right. I dont want to downplay the importance of these protests. Obviously theyve focused Incredible Energy and attention on what has happened. Its also focussed attention on the prosecutorial missteps. Why did it take so long for these other officers to be arrested and charged . Why did it take so long for officer chauvin to be charged in the first place. There is some element in which theyre responding to this. At the end of the day, it will be a huge disaster, i think, for the Africanamerican Community in minneapolis if mr. Chauvin and the other officers are go free because they couldnt make out their case or are charged with something much less than murder because the prosecution couldnt prove these charges in open court. Eddie, since brian brought us the breaking news about the charges being made official by the state, your thoughts. Its a good first step. Im e ooh trying to figure out why senator klobuchar jumped in front of a. G. Ellison. Im trying to think what the Hennepin County d. A. Was thinking. I supposed more evidence came in to give a generous read. More importantly, nicolle, im looking at these images, this ritual practice of grief. These yourng people crying, folks who havent been able to grieve over their loved one and its breaking my heart. Eddie, it breaks my heart that its breaking my heart. Tell me more. I wonder and i worry that were covering this at a superficial loefl when i hear you say that and i hear zoe talk about whatever happens in the legal procedure, it isnt enough. Historically, nicolle, we get to this point, White America congratulates itself. See, the system work. America is true to its principles, were charging the officer. Then we want to pause and pat ourselves on the back. When we look at these images. When we look at this makeshift memorial, this is just one of many. Think about all the teddy bears in ferguson. These young folk, if they were 20, they were 14 in 2014. Part of what were seeing here is not so much a faith in american in americas promise, but a deep seeded skepticism overlaid by grief, a grief that is tied to what has been happening with coronavirus. Im worried about zoe. She should have a mask on. Me, too. Im worried about all those people who have gathered there. I want to go tell her, put a mask on. Im thinking about all the folks who are grieving now who are grieving because theyve lost loved ones and they couldnt be there. It is compounded grief. Its accumulated grievance. All of this is there and we have no guarantee that america is going to do the right thing. Thats at the heart of it all, at least for me. Melissa, could you pick up for me. Sorry, nicolle. Go ahead. Melissa, i wanted you to pick that up, the thread. Do we focus our attention on one case, do just enough to move it off the headlines and then revert back . Brian and i talked a little bit about this last night, but i agree with eddie that this really isnt its prompted by George Floyds murder, but its not exclusively about george floyd. Its about the whole question of state violence. That can be Police Violence or it can simply be the mismanagement of a Global Health crisis that leads to the senseless loss of 100,000 people. It can be able the loss of economic security, about safety and health. All these people are out here because in some way the state has failed. They failed george floyd. They failed in bringing these charges in a timely manner. Perhaps they failed in bringing the appropriate charges. But ultimately everything in the last couple months have amounted to a public outcry where people are tired and they want to see change, they want to see the country that they thought america could be, and this is what were seeing in the streets. Shaquille brewster is standing by for us. Hes been in the twin cities for a number of days and has grown very familiar with this neighborhood. Shaq, as you and i have discussed for days. What a solemn place this has become, necessarily so. Reporter a very solemn place, but the feeling continues to change. Charges were announced against all four officers. I turned into an immediate celebration. People are saying weve got all four. People stopped, they got on one knee, put their fist in the air and started singing amazing grace. Thats the shift you continue to see here on the ground. I want to talk to someone who came here from bloomington, right nearby in the area. What are you thinking when you heard the charges and what are you seeing here . I see a lot of love here, and i see a lot of people who are working together to make a change. This happens to be my first time coming down here, but im completely overwhelmed by the sense of community im seeing here and the love that people are showing. The need and cry for justice is so strong. I can feel it just being in this area. What made you come down here today . What made me come down here today . I came down here today because we need reformations and we need change. We need for people to know that we care and were here and we are just as valuable as anybody else who walks this street. What happened here shouldnt have happened to anybody. Im just here to make my presence known and make a statement. Whats your reaction to all four officers involved in the death of mr. Floyd, all four officers are now charged, according to the early reports were seeing right now. Whats your reaction to that . I think they deserve to be charged and i hope theyre charged fully to the law. I hope the same law that is supposed to protect does its job and holds them accountable. Its not just to protect, but to hold people accountable and make sure were safe here. Mom, you came with your daughter here. Why did you come down . I just came down to support george and show a little sympathy and let them see what was going on, just to support. This has been described to me multiple times as a sacred place because its the exact spot, because of the murals, the flowers that people are bringing. Do you feel that . Do you feel power . Is there a weight. Theres a weight the moment you walk in, the love from everyo everyone, offering water, offering food, telling people to stay safe. The positivity, the spirit. You walk in and have all these tables set up giving away food, diebe diapers, household supplies. You walk in and everybody is calm. Just a real peace. Weve talked before about how this area, the twin city area, theres been these police and Community Tensions before. Theres been killings, shootings before. Does it feel like this one is different in terms of what will happen after it . I do feel a difference. I just think the fact that everybody is just coming together and its been open and its been out there, now people can see it with their own eyes. You think its clear this time . Thank you so much. Appreciate your time. Thank you for talking to us. Reporter brian, thats what you cant to see. If you look around, and i keep talking about the diversity of the crowd here, you continue to see that. People are handing out, as she said, food, water for folks. Its a very hot day. Brian, we talked about this a couple nights ago, us being in the middle of this pandemic, people are handing out masks for folks, making sure theyre staying with their face coverings, handing out Hand Sanitizer. Despite the virus, despite this pandemic, people are still saying they want to come out here and commemorate the memory and life of george floyd, but they want to do it safely and they want to continue to do this until they see change. Were seeing that change with the charges against those four officers. Also, remember, yesterday the governor announced that civil charge against the minneapolis m Police Department, looking not just into this case, but the last ten years looking into the patterns and practices of that Police Department, over the past ten years. Brian. Shaq, thank you. Perhaps youre coming in late in a conversation, but if you see anyone giving out masks, to that incredible young woman named zoe schaffer that we talked to on Live Television, make sure this is instructions from eddie glaude, make sure she gets a mask because professor glaude is worried about her health during a pandemic. We try to be a fullservice network here. Nicolle wallace, indeed go ahead, shaq. Reporter brian, i just wanted to say. One scene i saw earlier, not with the two that we spoke to, but there are people here who have petitions, petitions to recall the county prosecutor here. Of course, theres a petition and pens. As people are signing the petition, ive seen them go around and spray Hand Sanitizer, its petition and Hand Sanitizer all in one. Theres that awareness. Some people are choosing to go without the mask, but even the moment when the officers were charged and thats when the news went about the crowd, someone yelled out, make sure we socially distance. People arent necessarily doing that. As theyre trying to fight this virus, but also fight the racism in society. Brian. All right. Just make sure zoe gets one because we need her healthy for this conversation. We have it confirmed that the remaining three officers are getting the aiding and abetting charge. Also, nicolle, this is a Minneapolis Police chief who said on Live Television that their silence equalled complicity to him, that he found they were absolutely guilty of doing and saying nothing while officer chauvin, if anything, and this is the perverse part of this perverse video. If anything, he was so casual about what he was doing. We saw him shifting his weight to maximize the pressure. I cant believe were still discussing details like this over a week later. This is the world we live in and this is the situation we have watched unfold starting to unfold in the twin cities. I think we were so moved by zoe, but its something eddie glaude has been telling us for days and days, and frankly on our Network Years and years, in conversations that weave hve h around this sad ritual. I asked Michael Steel if there isnt a little bit of us not believing whats before our eyes. I understand its a complicated process. Even a Police Officer who holds his knee on a neck has a right to due process. What we saw in our own eyetion was the callousness while george floyd took his last breath on earth. There are questions that have been raised that we have to realize what zoe is asking us to realize, to go farther than just doing right in this one case. We have to go back to being able to trust what we see with our own eyes and what we saw with our own eyes makes these charges today inevitable. As i said, i wrote down quotes as she was speaking. Its not nothing until everything changes. Were scared, but were standing up. Were standing up. I think Something Else that weve all been sensitized to listen, i love what Shaq Brewster reported, it was going to be a protest against racism that taught the country and the world how to come back after a pandemic. Yes, you go out and you stand up for what you believe in, you wear your mask, use your Hand Sanitizer and socially distance. This is also playing out against a
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