donald trump just wrapped up his rally in vegas. sunlen serfaty is there. joining me now, donald trump did seize on the investigation but what else? >> reporter: that's right. he did, fred. it seems as if donald trump is campaigning with a new spring in his step and capitalizing on the e-mail server scandal. he's been relentless and today is no exception. he almost joked to this crowd, i never thought we'd be thanking anthony weiner nine days out. here's what he had to say. >> her cell action was willful, deliberate, intentional and purposeful. hillary set up an illegal server for the obvious purpose of
shielding her criminal conduct from public disclosure and exposure. she set up this illegal server knowing full well that her actions put our national security at risk and put the safety and security of your children at risk. >> now, trump campaign officials feel this is an opening that they've been given in this final nine days. also, something else from donald trump, going after obamacare premiums, raising -- potentially going up next week, that's something he's been talking about on the campaign trail and will continue to stay on the offensive according to trump campaign officials. they are looking at battleground polls that are tightening and midweek they may see a tick-up in the polls. they certainly have that anticipation and that hope, fred. >> sunlen serfaty, thank you so much.
so as the clinton campaign continues to demand more information from the fbi about their review of the e-mails, they are also acknowledging that this scandal would have never happened had clinton not used her private e-mail server. cnn's jake tapper spoke with clinton campaign manager john podesta on "state of the union". >> do you accept the premise that the reason we're here that hillary clinton and her inner circle, not including you, made a horrible decision to set up her private e-mail server and everything that's happened since then is her fault? >> look, i think she's apologized for setting up a private e-mail server, said it was a mistake and she wouldn't do it over again. it's very clear that this has been an issue through the course of this campaign. i think she obviously would like to take that decision back. but she's learned from it. and i think what's important about this campaign at this stage, with nine days to go, is
who is fit to be president, who has the experience and the question of whether donald trump is too dangerous, too tempermently unfit to be president of the united states. so that's what we're going to close off and we're going to talk about the future she wants to build in building an economy that works for everyone, not just people at the top. >> i always hear the clinton team say that she's learned from it. what has she learned? >> as she's said many times, she wouldn't do it over again. it's the kind of decision that i think needed more thought, more review and i think she regrets that and i think it's regrettable and you learn and move on. again, i think in contrast to her opponent who never seems to
learn from his mistakes and keeps repeating them and doubling down on them. >> one of the things that's interesting and one of the things that democrats in washington, d.c., are debating is whether or not hillary clinton has actually learned from this experience when it comes to people in her circle. i'm not necessarily including you in that group but people who are more of a new guard even if you have a long-standing relationship with the clintons, were stunned when word of the private e-mail server was first reported in march of 2015, according to the stolen e-mails published by wikileaks and i know you say this is the russians and -- >> it's not me saying it. it's a lot of people saying it, including the government. >> okay. intelligence professionals say that. be that as it may you wrote, "did you have any idea of the depth of this story?"
a clinton ally co-chairing your transition "why didn't they get this stuff out like 18 months ago so crazy." you responded "unbelievable." "i guess i know the answer they wanted to get away with it." july 25th, "do we know who told hillary she could use a private e-mail and has that person been drawn and quartered?" you're acting like the server was a simple mistake but you knew this was going to be a big problem. >> it's easy with 20/20 hindsight. if someone had taken the steps and looked at it, if one would have definitely made a difference decision but it happened. i think it was at the beginning it was just done for convenience, but at the end of the day, it was a major problem i think as i told you, i think she's learned from it. i've worked with her closely in this campaign. she takes hard advice, she respects people who will get up in her face and i think that the reason that i've kind of survived through the whole campaign is because that's the
kind of person i am. >> you certainly are. has anyone in the government provided you with the status report, john, on the investigation into your hacked and stolen e-mails? >> no. i've talked to the fbi at the beginning of this, and my attorney has been in touch with them. it's part of the investigation of the russian hacks, but the scope of it, who knew what when, the fact that the trump campaign seems to have been in contact with julian assange from wikileaks quite early at least as early as august, i don't know what their investigation is finding. >> you're referring to roger stone saying -- >> trump confidant, let me correct myself. >> okay.
>> a trump confidant roger stone, who, you know, bragged about being in touch with julian assange and talked about the fact that they were going to come after me was, he did that back in august. so what the government has learned about the interactions between assange and the russians, it seems clear that the russians were the ones who did the initial hack, how they got to wikileaks, what the relationship was with roger stone, i don't know. i assume the government is looking at that but i don't know anything more. maybe jim comey, if he thinks it's important, will let us know and come out in the next nine days. >> all right. john podesta this morning. we'll talk with our panel about this right after a quick break. when i started designing a bronx tale: the musical, i came up... ...with this idea of four towers that were fire escapes... ...essentially. i'll build a little model in photoshop and add these... ...details in with a pen. i could never do that with a mac. i feel like my job is... ...to put out there just enough detail to spur the audiences...
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all right. you just heard john podesta respond to the fbi investigation. let's talk about this with our panel, historian and professor, julian and david who is a cnn political commentator. also with "the washington post." good to see you. david, let me begin with you. podesta paints this as nuance. he thinks huma abedin truly did believe she had handed over everything. so even in your newspaper today it's reported that beabedin did not use her husband's computer very much. so how is it that clinton e-mails may be in that device? >> i think what we know now is what director comey said. he issued this vague letter on friday which does have the clinton camp up in arms and you can certainly sympathize with hillary clinton and her surrogates saying that this was vague and, you know, overblew
the investigation but at the same time, fredricka, you know, fbi director comey did say he would update congress on any new developments in the investigation and this might be a very small development but it's a development nonetheless. >> julian, previously the clinton campaign largely avoided talking about the e-mail scandal in rallies and in press conferences today. clinton didn't address it directly when she was in florida but the camp did release this explainer video. so is it enough? >> well, she's going to have to be out there talking about what is going on. they are talking about her and podesta until that interview on raising questions about comey and about the entire process. but you can't let that consume everything she does. it's important that hillary clinton also keeps talking about
her agenda and, frankly, her attacks on donald trump. otherwise, if she's just talking about the e-mail story, it will be all anybody hears about. >> so david, you're alluding to this, that it's a promise that comey made that he wanted to keep everyone abreast. he didn't want to be in the middle of this necessary but through his transparency, he is. so could he or should he have anticipated that this would result just a few days before election day? >> yeah, i think it was foreseeable when he sent that letter to control that it would throw the election into a little bit of a scurry in these last nine days. in the last two weeks, fredricka, donald trump has been closing on clinton in the polls prior to this information coming to light. our own washington post poll this weekend shows it's a two-point race nationally and it's tight in several of the key swing states.
what it's doing is not necessarily changing the entire dynamic of the race. again, we don't know what is in these e-mails or what was on this laptop or device that was recovered from huma abedin or anthony weiner. we know it's making it difficult for hillary clinton to make her closing argument in the last week of this race, which is what she was starting to settle in and do. she came out of the debates sort of the winner of those three debates, certainly the debates were trying to knock down a narrow polling lead and now she's got to defend this and it's frustrating her aides, including john podesta. >> the relationship between huma abedin and hillary clinton, very, very tight. huma has been working for hillary clinton since she was an intern in 1996. so now you've got this scandal potentially and the relationship with anthony weiner and that investigation. so might this mean a prelude to a split between a clinton and
huma abedin in the midst of all of this? >> it sure could. and even if this doesn't have a detrimental effect on the election for her, i think both with this particular situation but all of her advisers, it raises a question we've heard about hillary clinton. if she always surrounds herself with the best advice and surrounds herself with the best people and so i think this is clearly going to be a case where there's serious consideration, you would imagine, to severing this relationship after this is done. >> all right. so much more ahead, david, julian. stick around. we have a lot more to tackle. the fbi is under pressure to give more details about its review of this e-mail involving a clinton top aide, huma abedin. so coming up, you'll hear from a republican lawmaker who has spoken to director james comey about the inquest. so find out what comey and lawmakers actually know about huma abedin's e-mails. that i .
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abedin. the e-mails were discovered on a computer that anthony weiner shared with his wife. robert goodlay told abc's "this week" that he encouraged comey to give the american people as much information as possible about the discovered e-mails before the election. >> you mentioned classified information. how do you or mr. comey know that there's classified information involved here if you haven't seen the e-mails? >> well, we don't know. and we don't know what the basis was for mr. comey making the decision to further pursue the case. we don't know whether that's informants, whether they've had access to looking some of this information, we don't know what the basis was. we do know they know something is there. >> cnn investigations correspondent chris frates joining me live now from washington. chris, tell us more about what goodlay had to say. >> so far, it seems that comey is not telling lawmakers much
more than what he's saying publicly. look, at this point, it's nothing. here's how he described his conversation with fbi director comey. >> did mr. comey tell you he would be coming forward with more information? >> he did not. his answer was with regard to a number of questions i asked him that he was not going to answer those questions at this point, meaning the conversation i had with him and mr. conyers. but with regard to mr. comey making a mistake, i think that he is very conscious of the controversy that's existed in the fbi. >> so despite the call by both democrats and republicans for comey to release more information, the fbi director is really not budging here. that's largely because he doesn't even know yet what's in those e-mails. >> and so chris, how odd is that, that director comey would not know what was in the e-mails but would construct a letter to
"the hill"? >> there's a reason for that. the fbi doesn't have permission to go through those e-mails yet. they are trying to get their approval. the government needs a new warrant because it only covers the investigation into abedin's estranged husband, anthony weiner. they need to get a new warrant for these newly discovered e-mails. right now, they only have a warrant to investigate anthony weiner. it's unlikely we'll have any answers to the big question here, which is, what is actually in these e-mails, until after the election, fred. >> chris frates, thanks so much in washington. and we'll be right back. mornin'. hey, do you know when the game starts? 11 hours. oh. well, i'm heading back to my room. oh, wi-fi password? super bowl, underscore houston underscore 51, underscore super bowl, backslash 51, backslash houston.
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clinton's close aide huma abedin. cnn is being told that the discovery of those thousands of e-mails was weeks ago. cnn's justice correspondent evan perez is on the phone with me. this was not a discovery made this week when the letter went out but instead weeks ago? >> that's right. we got the impression that the fbi made this disclosure to members of the congress and in that letter jim comey, the fbi director said that he had been briefed on thursday. what that letter doesn't say is is when the fbi first learned of this and we're told by law enforcement officials that we've been talking to that they had this in their possession for weeks. we first reported -- cnn first reported back on september 22nd, just over a month ago, that the fbi -- that the u.s. attorney in manhattan and the fbi were seeking possession of anthony
weiner's communication as part of this sexting investigation. we're told that soon after that, they were able to get these noon indications and they were able to look at the e-mails and that's when the team in the fbi new york office discovered there may be huma abedin e-mails that related to the hillary clinton investigation. they stopped doing their work immediately and brought in the team that had been handling the e-mail investigation and they started looking at that. so by early october, it certainly was clear that there was something here, that it was pertinent to the clinton investigation. so what we are trying to get clarification from the fbi on is why it took so long for any of this to be known. perhaps if they had disclosed this back then, the reaction from the clinton camp would not be so severe. they feel it was revealed so
closely to the election that it could have an affect on the election and certainly now it will have to be looked at much more closely simply because now we know the fbi was in possession of this information for weeks and only now disclosed it. >> so evan, might it still be the case that while the fbi investigators knew about these e-mails weeks ago that perhaps they only informed director comey on this past thursday as comey has stated? >> well, we know that there were several officials at the fbi who had knowledge about this because there was some deliberation inside the fbi about what to do, about how to proceed. obviously everybody knows inside knows about the rules about not disclosing information that is politically sensitive close to an election. it's a policy drilled into
everybody there and they all know that this is something that is very sensitive. and so that might have been part of the deliberation. we don't know exactly what was the hang-up, what was the reason why they kept this under wraps for weeks and weeks and only disclosed it on friday. part of the accusations was because of concern that this would leak out anyway and they were concerned that if it did, it would appear that the fbi was covering up for the clinton campaign. they did not want it to appear that way. that's why they decided to disclose this to members of congress in a letter on friday. the question is, if they knew this so much earlier and they thought it was important enough to disclose to congress, why wouldn't they do it earlier this month? and the damage and the reputation to the fbi and all of the questions that jim comey is
now getting might have been softened a little bit. it's not clear whether that might have made a difference, but certainly that's the question that everybody is asking right now. >> and then why would not a search warrant have been applied for weeks ago upon the discovery as opposed to now we're hearing discussions of a search warrant are happening? >> that's right. exactly. that's another question we're asking, which is, if you had dealt with this back in early october when you certainly had a clear picture that this was related to the ongoing -- to the clinton investigation, then why didn't you start taking those steps then? again, the clock was ticking simply because there is a poll tea at the justice department and the fbi that you don't take certain investigative steps within 60 days of a an election. that's the policy. even if they had done this in october, it still would have raised the same problem. i think the question that the
clinton campaign now certainly has -- and it's a legitimate one, is perhaps if you had done this earlier, it would have given time to reveal this and for the voters to have all of this information, certainly not ten days or 11 days out to only learn this. fred? >> evan perez, thank you so much for your reporting. we'll check back with you. thank you so much. also, straight ahead, the trump campaign reacting to this new inquiry and the rising obamacare costs. >> what we've got is not working and i'm very glad that obamacare continues to form the core of his message even in light of the new fbi investigation. i'm my team's #1 fan. yay. sports.
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>> all of my employees are having a tremendous problem with obamacare. this is another group, is that a correct statement? you look at what they're going through with their health care is horrible, because of obamacare. >> after he gave that statement the general manager of trump's property attempted to correct the record and said 99% of trump's employees are insured through the hotel meaning they have private insurance. how can mr. trump be the one to replace obamacare if he doesn't seem to understand how it works? >> he does understand. his employees are the lucky ones, jake. they don't have to suffer under obamacare he's talking about the rest of the country, so many who have. he's the right person to repeal and replace it because obamacare is an unmitigated disaster, reminds us how intrusive, invasive and expensive the federal government can come in our lives under the guise of helping people. he was in arizona yesterday and told them that their premiums are expected to rise by 116%. will cnn or anybody else ask mrs. clinton today when she's visiting arizona?
we see these other premium -- mailboxes and clicking onto their computers and getting notice their premiums are about to explode. it is reprehensible and deplorable to coin a phrase that americans are choosing between paying the rent, feeding their families and keeping of their health care. president obama lied 26 or 27 times telling people if you want to keep your doctor you can keep your doctor. no, you can't. people see a lack of quality, a lack of access, a lack of control and increase in price something under the guise of the "affordable care act." the question for hillary clinton is what would you do about it? is obamacare 3.0 in the offing or the bernie sanders supporters who want to us move to single payer system? either way, she should own obamacare, she should be asked what she'd do about it. donald trump says he'd let you compete across state lines to buy your health insurance much the way you buy your auto insurance and other services. he would immediately remove the obamacare penalty which is
hurting many people, and he of course would allow a more patient-centric health care system which would give us all health savings accounts so only you can control your own health care spending, what we've got is not working, and i'm very glad that obamacare continues to form the core of his message, even in light of the new fbi investigation. we've had a great week in large part because mr. trump is talking about obamacare. >> all right. let's bring back our political panel now to discuss all of this. back with me is cnn political commentator david swirdlick and julian zeli sdplchzer. before we dive into the rising premiums, let's revisit this breaking news through which our evan perez reported, he's learning that the fbi knew of these new e-mails when it seized or received this anthony weiner computer back in september 22nd.
so they've known of these new e mays f e-mails for weeks now contrary to what director comey said learning about it this past thursday. we don't know if that was withheld from him for that period of time. so julian, how much bigger of a mess has this now been made? >> well, it becomes a bigger mess with every hour and the more questions raised about why the fbi did this and the process through which the decision was made obviously plays into the concerns that have been raised by the clinton supporters about the entire process through which this is being conducted but it's a reminder, especially without any evidence at this point of any kind of smoking done data that there's a danger of handling these kinds of stories so close to an election without knowing what the facts are. >> and so david, how do you see it? how much more, you know, potentially complicated does it come? >> right.
well, if director comey has the timeline wrong, that's a problem and he'll be scrutinized for it. if, in fact, the fbi knew about these e-mails or whatever it is that's on this device in september, that should have been disclosed, at least what we know and based on evan perez's reporting sooner in the process, not 11 days, which was friday, before the election. that being said, you know, the complaints come from the side that i think is having to struggle with them in a political politic political context. this is throwing a wrench into the clinton's closing argument. back in july when director comey was coming out and making what was also not really a typical fbi protocol statement and speech explaining why he was not recommending criminal charges to the justice department against secretary clinton, it was republicans complaining. and i think that goes to the fact that both sides in this are sort of, you know, pleading
their own case and understandably so but director comey really is in a very difficult position here. >> all right. let's shift gears to this affordable health care and rising premiums in certain jirks decisions. donald trump seizing on that saying he's going to and has committed to repealing and replacing you heard from kellyanne conway being challenged and whether donald trump has a clear understanding about the affordable care act. julian, you know, this is in step with what the gop has been saying for a very long time, it wants to replace and repeal. how does this assist donald trump? >> yeah, look, this has been an argument we've heard from republicans for many years now. it actually faded in this campaign as other issues took up air time but it's come back because of the rising premiums. many would argue it's part of the story overall.
we have far fewer people uninsured but symbolically, the news that premiums have risen on some people will rise is very potent, especially post e-mail story. i think donald trump has the opportunity to use that as another rallying point for the republicans. >> david, is this advantageous? >> at least in the short term, yes. julian is right, broad-sweeping policy issues it's been more about the character of the two candidates and them trying to knock each other down rather than to put forward a broad, comprehensive policy agenda. i also think that -- you played the clip of kellyanne conway talking about the dire state of obamacare. i think that was exaggerated. you can't blame the trump campaign to seize on this and
make their argument that they are the change candidate, that people should rally to them because the obama administration and clinton administration have not delivered. whether that's true, it's a fair argument for them to make. >> does donald trump have to elaborate any further, give any detail about what kind of replacement he would envision? >> he's still behind even though the polls have tightened and even though he's doing a lot better in national polls, she is still in the lead and she still has an advantage in the electoral college and he comes with many liabilities as well. i don't think voters have forgotten that. he has a lot of pressure to get out there and show that he can actually handle some of these policy discussions in ways he has not demonstrated. so he shouldn't think that he can coast in this final week because he should also remember that he's coming from behind at this point. >> all right. julian, david, thank you so
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husband, anthonyweiner. the e-mails were discovered during an investigation of weiner, accused of sexting an en underage girl. brynn gingras joins me from new york with more. >> we know that anthony weiner started in congress in 1999 and then two years later, hillary clinton would become a part of the senate. they became even more entwined when weiner started dating huma aberde -- huma abedin, who clin described as her second daughter. anthony wee weiner remaking quiet. he's made no comment and hasn't been seen leaving his manhattan home this weekend, as questions remain what e-mails were discovered that launched the
justice department to reopen the case into hillary clinton's use of a private e-mail server. weiner once stood in harmony with clinton, serving on capitol hill at the same time. weiner was a charismatic, political rising star, who had his eye on clinton's confidant, huma abedin. opposites attracted. the two marries in 2010. bill clinton officiated the ceremony. however, marital bliss soon faced a bomb shell. >> i'm announcing my resignation from congress. >> reporter: weiner surrendered his political post after texting a picture of his crotch, as the couple were expecting a child. huma gave him a second chance and he asked the voters of new york too, as well. but more crude conversations with women surfaced. the final straw for huma abedin
came with allegations that weiner sexted with an underage girl. huma abedin announced she was separating from her husband, and now this jolting the election before voters head to the polls. >> weiner is cooperating. no comment in regards to the recent developments. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up, we'll hear from donald trump and hillary clinton supporters. what they think about this growing fbi investigation. anyone with type 2 diabetes knows how it feels to see your numbers go up, despite your best efforts. but what if you could turn things around?
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i'm proud of the fbi for stepping forward and saying, hey, there's nobody in this country that is above the law. we're all the same. >> seems like everybody is focusing on all of her untrustworthiness and not questioning donald trump. you know, not questioning all the things against him. now i'm starting to sound like kellyanne conway, so i'll keep it on hillary. >> it makes it more imperative that we come out and support her. because there are people just screaming against her all the time. oh, she's unreliable. you can't believe what she says. they've spent millions of dollars and hundreds of hours investigating she and bill clinton for what, 20 years? they found nothing so far. >> all right. we have so much more straight ahead in the newsroom. it all starts right now. hello again, everyone, and thank you so much for joining
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lawyer. he's been lying all week. he's been lying for years. i mean -- z >> now, fred, president trump has not answered directly cnn's questions about michael cohen's claims, nor about that personal/private recording he apparently made of a conversation that he had with president trump. he has, however, tweeted about michael cohen. at one point suggesting that cohen could potentially be making up stories to get him out of legal troubles connected to his taxi business, fred. >> boris sanchez, thanks so much. all right, so how did we get here? let's go back to the week this all happened in june of 2016. here are the facts. we know the publicist rob goldstone, the man who helped orchestrate the meeting, e-mailed donald trump jr. to offer incriminating information on hillary clinton. then just a few days later, then candidate trump offered up this message just two days before
from it. the big question, how much did donald trump know and when did he know it? team trump has denied time and time again that donald trump knew anything. >> when did the president learn that that meeting had taken place? >> i believe in the last couple of days is my understanding. >> one key point is this is not a situation where the president was involved in this meeting, was not aware of the meeting did not attend this meeting. >> he didn't know about this meeting until a few days ago? >> yes, that's correct. >> did you tell your father anything about this? >> it was such a nothing -- there was nothing to tell. i wouldn't have even remembered it until you start scouring through the stuff. it was literally a waste of 20 minutes, with is a shame. >> did you know at the time? >> no, i didn't know anything about it. but it must have been a very unimportant meeting because i never even heard about it. >> no one told you a word, nothing? >> nobody. no, nobody -- i didn't know that. it's a very unimportant -- sounded like a very
unimportant -- >> all right, joining me right now, cnn reporter erica orden and cnn legal analyst and bob mueller's foreimer special assistant michael zelden. cohen said there are no reports of this moment. instead the reference is it's from his recollection. then perhaps how might it be proven that donald trump did know about this meeting in trump tower? >> right. so michael cohen's statement that trump knew and approved of the meeting, which are two different things. knowing and approving makes it much more -- get some greater involvement. but there are going to be witnesses potentially who can corroborate this. don jr. and manafort and jared kushner, they may not be compelling witnesses but there are others who haven't been
identified yet. that may be relevant. then i have a list of things, fredricka, who i think may be indications of corroboration. one, hope hicks may know something about this. she would be, to me, a key witness to know what, if anything, the president knew beforehand. we know she was on air force one when they were writing the statement after the fact, but what did he know before the fact? we know there was calling to a blocked number. that, once unblocked, will perhaps be corroborate of this. and then as you said, the june 7th statement and just the general nature of the father/son relationship on this campaign i think would be indications of possible knowledge. i think most importantly if there are other people in the room, as cohen's testimony seems to be, we node to know who they are and what was told to them. >> and then erica, in addition to, you know, who else was there, what their stories are, it is an issue of credibility.
you know, donald trump, is he more believable or is michael cohen more believable here? their track records on telling truth are to be compared. >> ideally if you're a prosecutor, you're to want to avoid a situation in which it comes down to one person's word against the other especially if other people have established credibility issues. prosecutors would be looking to evaluate or examine any of the other resources that michael was pointing out, any con tem pa rarious notes and any other records. >> if cohen is telling the truth that the president, then candidate, did know about it, and, in fact, even endorsed this meeting, what are the potential consequences if, indeed, donald trump was not telling the truth? that he did indeed know about
this? >> there are obviously political consequences for the president for lying to the american public. ken starr thought that bill clinton's lying to the american public was an impeachable offense. but my role here is not political. as a legal matter, if the president and his son solicited a thing of value from a foreign national, a contribution in kind, if you will, then that techniqcally violates the campaign finance laws. it could be civil. it could be criminal. if the conduct of the meeting, organizers and participants was seen by mueller or anybody else to be some sort of conspiracy to defraud the federal election commission, that could be a criminal offense as well. i'm not sure that prosecutors would bring a case like this, but as a technical black letter law statutory violation there are two, the statute that is
implicated. >> erica, the trump team has changed its story a lot. it was about adoptions. to we didn't get anything from this meeting. don jr. saying, you know, it was a waste of 20 minutes. it was a shame. but then, still, the big mystery would be the intent, how do investigators go about that? >> sure. of course an investigator can't climb inside someone's head and figure out what they were thinking at the time so they would look to all these things that we're discussing, what someone knew, when they knew it, what they said to other people at the time and how they acted in response to that information would be ways that prosecutors or investigators can't determine someone's intent. >> then i wonder, you know, michael how does mueller's team look at this public campaign on
behalf of the president to go at the credibility of michael cohen, to leave him out, you know, in isolation, to try to discredit him at all. doesn't that also help direct investigators about, you know, what is this all about? >> so i think, fred what you raise is this issue of whether the president can be properly investigating and, you know, theoretically charged with obstructing justice through a series of acts, one of those series of acts being the use of twitter and other public denunciations of his critics. i think that mueller and his team will be looking at these -- this type of mosaic theory of obstruction of justice. i'm not sure it's a compelling, you know, theory. but i think this will fit into that examination and they'll have to see what pieces of the puzzle they have and then make a
determination of whether that would rise to the level of obstructive behavior and, if so, what to do about it. >> part of that whole may samos people around donald trump or someone in his orbit is chief financial officer allen whistleburg is one of those people, so that -- he was subpoenaed to testify in this michael cohen probe tells you what? >> well, wiselburg is the longtime chief financial officer for the trump organizations. he's the one who is reputed to have paid stormy daniels and was consulted about the payment to karen mcdougal. if that's all the southern district of new york is interested in, it's really, you know, not much. but if the other district of new york is engaged in a broad ranging financial crimes investigation of the trump organization, then wiselburg's
importance to them becomes paramount. >> because it also means he reportedly was also part of the tax preparations for donald trump too, so he knows everything potentially about how he handled his money and business, right? >> that would be correct, yes. >> all right, michael zelden, erica, good to see you both. as if this trump tower bombshell wasn't enough, russia's president vladimir putin has just invited president trump to moscow under certain conditions and what does that mean? plus, a frantic search for three people missing after deadly wildfires. 500 buildings have burned to the ground and more are at risk. we'll take you there live. this is not a bed. it's a high-tech revolution in sleep. the new sleep number 360 smart bed. it intelligently senses your movement and automatically adjusts on each side to keep you both comfortable. and snoring?
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annual international army games. moscow pits its troops against china, india, iran and 28 other countries. nato member states were invited including the u.s., only greece accepted. that's not the only invitation extended this week, however. russian president vladimir putin announced he had invited president trump to moscow and in that same speech, putin said he was ready to go to washington. cnn's international diplomatic editor nic robertson joins me now. so what's behind this big reveal? >> well, i think, you know, the kremlin was sort of put on the back foot a little bit when president trump made that very quick invitation for president putin to have a summit after helsinki and go to washington. russia typically doesn't, you know, respond quickly and evaluate about the next move it's going to make so it seems the kremlin was on the back foot and we heard john bolton there earlier in the week say this
invitation is now -- that's going to happen next year and now the kremlin comes back and says actually we've extended invitation and president putin saying he told president trump that at helsinki. the interesting part of this i think is what russia is saying we can do this, we've thought about it, we can do it, but we want some conditions to be met. now the kremlin hasn't spelled out what the conditions are but you can bet it's a lot to do with the economy, the sanctions on russia now, the sanctions for meddling in the 2016 elections in the united states, attacking the united states democracy. the invasion of ukraine, the illegal annexation of crimea. european union has sanctions on russia as well as the united states and it is hurting the russian economy so undoubtedly putin is looking for a way to get relief. if he wants to continue to have these meetings with president trump, he needs to be able to show the russian people he's getting something out of it. some substance. not just the razzmatazz and the
handshakes. >> in fact this was president putin yesterday about trump. >> translator: you can critique him for what he does and many people do that. but one thing is clear, he is willing to fulfill his campaign promises. >> so they are, you know, publicly revealing they kind of like each other, respect each other. >> yes, you could also say -- look, you con say that, for sure. i think you can also look at it this way. you know, putin is a calculator, he is a spy, he knows what he wants out of washington, he knows what he wants out of president trump, and he knows what happens to people who criticize trump. if he came at him attacking him saying lift the sanctions, how's that going to fly? we know trump doesn't respond well to criticism. putin's clearly figured that out and clearly figured out praise is the shortest way to get what he wants out of president trump and that's the most important thing to him. he needs to deliver for himself and for the russian people. so yes, it is -- he is showing
support for trump. look, if president trump was to win a second term, president putin is on his last sort of turn in office of six years and is looking to protect his legacy, his money, good relationship with the united states, president trump, is all going to make that easier over the long term. >> it's that old adage, flattery may get you everywhere. all right, nic robertson, thank you. okay, well, right now this is some very serious business. it's a frantic race against time. firefighters battling to save thousands of homes as furious wildfires rage in california.
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right now, firefighters are racing to save thousands of homes as wildfires rage in california. the largest the so-called car fire in northern california nearly doubled in size since yesterday. now engulfing nearly 81,000 acres. at least two people have died in the flames. 500 structures have already burned. but nearly 5,000 more are in the fire's path. cnn correspondent dan simon is following the destruction in redding, california, and it is a terrible picture there behind you, dan, so much damage and destruction. >> hi, fred. we're getting a better understanding of just the magnitude of the overall devastation. and it's just unbelievable. we're a couple miles outside of the town of redding. this is the keswick states
these are terrible conditions. it's expected to reach about 105 degrees today, very low humidity. this area does remain under a red flag warning. it's still very windy. they are continuing to evacuate some areas. they think they're several days from getting' ha inting a handl thing. right now, an emotional farewell for more vick till tim last week's duck boat tragedy in missouri. funeral services for five members of the coleman family. they died after their tour boat capsized during a storm on a lake near branson. four more family members were laid to rest yesterday. in total, 17 people on the boat lost their lives. the national transportation safety board now says the capitalen of the vessel checked the weather radar before starting the tour. the group was given an emergency
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heart surgeon who treated former president h.w. bush, was likely targeted. one of his friends who attended the funeral talked about the man he knew. >> just very down to earth guy. >> there is video of a suspect but police have not made any arrests. what is the latest? >> yes, as you were saying, those friends and family saying good-bye to dr. hausknecht at this church which is less than two miles away from that shooting site, a very busy part of downtown houston. the texas medical center where so many people commute to work at hospitals or to go see their doctors, dr. hausknecht was one of those people communitying on his yellow bicycle. when i spoke to workers at that construction site right next to where he was killed, the manager there tells me he recognized that bike on surveillance video when police released this video
showing a possible gunman following dr. hausknecht on the bike. he instantly knew who was because that doctor would go by that site every single day and say hi to those workers. even though there were about 500 on site at the time, they couldn't hear anything because of their loud equipment and how big that structure was they were building. neighbors and people in the area have been ever since then getting everyone together to look at their own surveillance footage. police say they do feel confident that they will be able to make an arrest eventually. just because of how many people did see that gunman. they were able to put together a sketch of the man who they believe is an hispanic man about 5'10" in his 30s. he's believed to have gone down a residential street nearby and police aren't saying much after that, other than they think there is that high probability they might have been targeted.
friends and family just can't understand why anyone would target this doctor. he was beloved in the community. when his sons were younger, he was the scout master would plan vacations and trips for these boys, loved to grill salmon for his friends and loved gardening, spent every waking moment in that garden, his wife told me. and one thing she said if you want to honor his legacy, just be compassionate, be kind and caring. >> what a terrible tragedy. all right, thank you so much, sonya. cbs president and ceo les moonves is the latest high-powered media executive to face allegations of sexual harassment now. an investigation by the new yorker detailed allegations by six women of harassment, intimidation and retaliation. cnn has not independently confirmed the allegations and moonves denies them. one of his accusers, actress
ileana douglas describing a meeting while she was working on a pilot for cbs. here an excerpt from the new yorker's account. in a millisecond, he's got one arm over me, pinning me, she says. moonves was, i'm quoting now, violently kissing her, holding her down on the couch with her arms above her head. the new yorker recounts a similar claim from writer janet jones during a work meeting. quoting now, he came around the corner of the table and threw himself on top of me. it was very fast. moonves said, she said, began trying to kiss her. jones said that she struggled and then shoved moonves away hard, yell, what do you think you're doing? well, i was hitting on you, i wanted to kiss, she recalled him saying. he said, oh, come on, it's nothing. in a statement, moonves says, quote, i recognize that there
were times decades ago when i may have made some women uncomfortable by making advances. those were mistakes and i regret them imimmensely. i always understood and respected and abided by the principle no means no. and have never used my position to harm or hinder anyone's career. in another story, pope francis has accepted the resignation of cardinal theo door mccarrick following a decades of allegation of sexual abuse. he was informed in june that the church was investigating a claim of abuse from a teenager almost 50 years ago. an attorney for the accuser says his client was molested twice by mccarrick. at the time, mccarrick issued a statement saying, quote, while i have absolutely no recollection of this reported abuse and
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former company. he claims the board mistreated him after he said the "n" word earlier this year during a media training conference call with a marketing firm. he claims that firm asked him point blank if he is racist and how he would separate himself from online hate groups. he responded by saying kfc's colonel sanders used the "n" word and never faced backlash. that led the board to remove shnatter as chairman, removed from other marketing materials and kicked out of his office. he's now seeking documents to try to prove the company fired him without a proper investigation. papa john's responded, saying, in part, we are saddened and disappointed that john schnatter has filed a needless and wasteful lawsuit in an attempt to district from his own words and actions. avery free man, civil rights attorney and law profession, from cleveland, and richard herman, law professor, joining
us from las vegas. good to see you both. richard, schntatter's lawsuit says he's seeking documents explaining the heavy handed way in which the company has treated him since the publication of a story that falsely accused him of using a racial slur. end quote. this, although he admitted to using the "n" word and later apologized, so given his reasoning of why he says it was used, does he have a case? >> i think he does, fred. i think this is -- it smears of a coup. i'm starting to believe that the more i read about this. this is the third largest pizza delivery company in the united states. he started this business in '84. he started it. he's worth about over $800 million himself personally. but he built this company from scratch, fred, and, okay, he had
an issue condemning the nfl owners with the whole issue concerning the players kneeling and he blamed that on decreased revenues because again papa john's was the pizza for the nfl. as a result of that, he stepped down as ceo. now he has this diversity training session with a marketing training company where a lot of ideas are going back and forth, including the marketing company suggesting that papa john's hire kanye west as a spokesman for them and schnatter was no, you can't do that, because he uses the "n" word in his songs. we don't know the exact conversation, fred. we don't know how the word came out. we don't know what his intentions were when he said it. that's his point. there was no internal investigation. the board breached their fiduciary duty. you can't just fire someone. there was no vote of the shareholders. i wouldn't be surprised if he works his way back into this company.
>> oh, boy. boy, oh, boy. >> avery, why are you saying oh boy? >> i'm not looking at the same case. look, after november, he made some remarks about the nfl ownership and stock started to take a dive as well as viewership in the nfl. that's legitimate. then he says he did use the "n" word but he says it was diversity training. then he says he didn't. then he compares himself to colonel sanders. oh, my goodness. yes, you know, on one level, fredricka, he's going to get some of the documents. at the end of the day, corporate law requires the board to be responsive to the shareholders. i think he is out. the stocks have plummeted. i think the appropriate action was to get rid of him and frankly he's going to need a lot more pepperoni to be successful in any kind of litigation. >> so richard, how do you see, you know, these, you know, books or records or documents if he
does indeed get them because he's arguing that they has unfettered rights, you know, in which to get them, how might that potentially help his case? >> it will, fred, because the position taken by the board is wobbly at best. listen, he has a right. he's a shareholder. he owns 29% of the stock of of this corporation, fred, and shareholders have the rights to view the books and records. what he's trying to prove is the board acted not even handed, they acted outside the scope of their authority, they acted not in -- how they've done things in the past. in other word, this looks like a coup. >> so what -- >> people don't like this guy internally so they went after him now and they can't just do it. you need a vote of the shareholders. you need to vote in a certain corporate way. they did not do that, fred. he's got grounds here. this is not going away. he's worth over $800 million.
>> so what? >> he's got major lawyers on his side. >> so what? >> do you know what was said on the phone with the marketing company? have you heard his words? he says he's not a racist. that's what he says. >> you heard the marketing company -- >> so is he really owed that? >> we heard the marking company say -- well, no, he claims the marketing company was trying to shake him down, the corporation down, for $6 million. >> he did. >> fine, give them -- >> he paid them $2 million. >> i'm telling you, his face is associated with papa john's. stocks are taking a nose-dive. if they're going to protect sharehold shareholders, he's got to go. he's not going to be able to conglomerate other shareholders. take his $800 million and open up something else. but if papa john's is going to survive, and there's a real question, you got to have that guy gone. think the board is absolutely right. >> one has to wonder if he's
still a shareholder, then he still would be privy to information. does he have to -- >> not information -- >> -- make a motion for any of this information, or does it simply have to be handed over, richard? >> no, they is there have to gi him. and they can color it any way they want but he has every right to do this. and when he does, he's going to unveil the fact that they acted really outside the scope of their authority and not in the fiduciary interest of a corporation. that's what's going to come out here, fred. he'll probably eventually end up taking over the company. >> "n" word. don't forget about the "n" word. he's out. he's gone. and then saying colonel sanders used it, what on earth does that have to do with anything in terms of his role? colonel sanders. this is pizza. he's finished. >> we don't know the context
within which he said the "n" word. that's so critical here and we don't know it. >> okay, all right. >> that's why you need an investigation. 42% reduction in stock, good-bye. >> still more to come. all right, appreciate it, good two police officers from an atlanta suburb have been fired after their body cams caught them using a coin toss app to decide whether or not to arrest a woman accused of speeding. >> head or tail. >> okay. >> this is tail, right? >> yeah. so, release. >> 23. >> so, the woman was arrested anyway, and the police chief in roswell, georgia, said that officers need to refrain from conduct that destroys public respect. cops accused the woman of going 80 miles an hour in a 45 zone, but weren't using a radar gun at
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trade tariffs from china kick in. cnn's scott mclean looks at how that trade battle has put farmers in a tough spot. >> reporter: fredricka, president trump was in iowa this week to promote a new white house workforce development initiative but perhaps the workers who were listening most intently were farmers. that's because the president is leading a new trade war against china that's putting american farmers on the front line, whether they like it or not. iowa is known for its "field of dreams," but these days, it isn't here. corn and soybean prices have been stubbornly low for years and now it seems washington has made things worse. president trump's hardline approach has sparked an escalating trade war with china prompting a 25% tariff on american soybeans, which sent prices to a ten-year low. >> this is just an open-ended conflict and who knows where it's going to end? >> reporter: iowans overwhelmingly voted for president trump but clark porter, whose family has farmed here for over a century wasn't
one of them. you saw this coming from a mile away. >> yeah. >> reporter: this week, the white house announced a $12 billion assistance plan to help farmers like porter. how does it feel, though, to be essentially taking government assistance? >> it's absolutely -- it was absolutely unnecessary. it's -- i don't think that we should have even gotten into this position. >> reporter: he's not alone. the president of the iowa farmers union called trump's approach extremely reckless and kim reynolds, the republican governor up for reelection, warned that nobody wins in a trade war. this week, she politely pushed the president to make a deal and fast. >> we need to get things done sooner rather than later, so that was my message. >> reporter: things are getting done, but with europe. after a brief trade spat, trump touted his deal to make a deal on free trade with the bloc. >> we just opened up europe for you farmers. you're not going to be too angry with trump. >> reporter: a deal with europe is far from finished.
neither is the trade war with china. but for all of the president's trade war skeptics in iowa, he still has plenty of believers, like david danker and his son, hunter, who farm corn and soybeans. >> i think this should have been done a long time ago. >> it will hurt for short-term, but in the long run, i think it will work out better for everybody. >> reporter: how do you think this ends? >> china gets hungry and calls the u.s. and wants to hopefully get some more soybeans. >> reporter: can you envision a scenario where america doesn't win? >> i think us not winning would be probably us going to back -- back to the way it was before the tariffs and the trade war. >> reporter: the good news is that many iowa farmers say they're expecting a pretty healthy size harvest this year but with higher production volume usually comes lower prices. that $12 billion federal aid package will help in the short-term, but farmers may need even more cash if this trade battle doesn't end soon. fredricka?
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nicu, there were six of them, we air lifted them out a couple of nights ago as a precaution. it takes three to four hours to get a baby ready to go and be transported, so that's why just decided to err on the side of safety and have them air lifted from redding to the sacramento area, which is about 150 miles or so. we did prepare high-risk patients in the event that we wanted to. you know, because you've got logistics there with wheelchairs, gurneys, that kind of thing, that did not happen, though. right now, there are no plans to evacuate anyone else at all. we're just happy that the babies are safe, away from the fire with their families with them. >> so what you say there are no plans to evacuate. you just kind of described the volatility of the conditions there and how unpredictable it might be. do you kind of have that plan b in place if it comes to the point where everyone must go? >> oh, absolutely. we have had a command center set
up more than two days now. we've started early in the morning on what would that be, thursday morning, i guess. 24 hours, 7 days a week, we're there in the command center monitoring the conditions, making sure we are ready. we put a lot of contingency plans in place. we're just kind of at the mercy of the weather of the fire, but right now, we feel very, again, you know, comfortable with where we are. we're ready to move if we have to, but at this point, it doesn't appear there -- that has to happen. >> what about you and your staff? you all live in the inventovicid i'm sure are very worried about your own properties and your families at home. talk to me about how you continue to do your job, worry about, you know, patients and fellow staff members at the same time, worried about, you know, your own assets outside of the hospital. >> fredricka, oddly enough, i can look out the window of my office and see my office. i live just minutes away.
we are on a green belt, which is now a brown belt because it's summer and it's hot and all the grass is dry, so that's always a concern, regardless of the -- what year it is and what else is going on around us. there are other people here who have lost their homes, who have still come to work, people involved in direct patient care and others also, showing their dedication to the patients and their job, and we put patients first here, so they're willing to come in, even though they've got that going on around in their personal life. and that -- it's affected everyone in the community. so many homes have been lost that a lot of people are still trying to cope with that, to get to their work, to keep the community functioning, although i will say, it's very quiet around here. not only at the hospital but kind of even in the city. you know, fewer people out and about, certainly here at the hospital.
normally it's a hard place to get a parking space, but right now, there's plenty of open parking spots. the hospital, though, is 100% open other than we have cancelled elective surgeries. but besides that, you know, the emergency room is open, which there hasn't been too many, you know, really serious cases so far, almost surprisingly so. there have been a few -- we had six firefighters come in. one of them complaining of heat exhaustion, which it's not funny, but it's funny in the way that he's from the north coast where the temperature is usually around 60 degrees or whatever and they come inland here where our average july temperature is 100 degrees and you can kind of see why he would have heat exhaustion. he enjoyed being rehydrated and being in the air-conditioning for a while of the hospital. all the firefighters, by the way, have been treat and had released. there haven't been any serious injuries. we've had some burn victims, three of those are firefighters,
but again, none of those serious, and they've all been treated and released as well. we had a man in the last 24 hours, he was trimming a tree, you know, trying to get his property safe for the encroaching flames. he fell about 30 feet out of the tree and came in with broken ribs. his injuries are moderate. he is here in the hospital and his wife was running an evacuation center at the same time. one more for you, fredricka. there was a fire-related car crash where a son was helping his parents move their car and motor home. well, one of them stopped, the other one didn't see it, so there was a rear end crash. they came in. they're not seriously hurt, but they had also just lost their home. so they lost not only their home in the fire but both of their vehicles as well. >> some remarkable occurrences there. well, you all are amazing soldiers in this colossal battle there. and i know so many are grateful that you are there to assist in
absolutely zero rain in the short-term forecast. we have about 90 active large fires. this doesn't even account for the smaller fires, fred, but this is over a dozen different states, so it's not even just california that's been dealing with the wildfires. >> my goodness. all right, allison chinchar, thanks for that update. appreciate it. straight ahead in the "newsroom," president trump standing firm in his denial that he did not know about that trump tower meeting before it happened. what trump's former lawyer km k michael cohen is reportedly prepared to testify to the contrary.
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claims trump knew in advance about the meeting, according to sources. and those sources tell cnn cohen is willing to make that assertion to special counsel robert mueller. joining me right now, cnn senior political analyst ron brownstein and cnn legal analyst joey jackson. good to see you both. joey, you first. cohen said there are no recordings of this moment, so is it simply his word against the president's? >> well, it is, and good to see you, fredricka and ron. look, the reality, though, is that we do know that it would be his word against the president's, but i think there is even more corroboration here. i mean, in a standard case, what you look at for a person's credibility is you look at what their motivation to lie would be and certainly from the president's perspective, michael cohen has every reason to lie. the feds are after him. he's in a very tight spot and therefore he'd say things that would be contrary to the president, beneficial for himself. but from the perspective of having an opportunity to observe
and being the president's fixer, he would know everything, right? and if he was such an incredible person, that means, you know, that he was not a person that was trustworthy, why did trump keep him around for such a long time? but at the end of the day, whether trump knew or didn't know in my view has no legal significance for a variety of reasons. does it really take michael cohen to tell us something that i think we already really think and do know? from trump saying two days, you know, before the meeting takes place, you know, something to the effect of, hey, i'm about to give a big speech, there's big news coming out about hillary, the blocked calls that don junior is making. that's the reality so i think we already know. and furthermore, so what? if the president did know about the meeting, all right, it's another lie to the press. he's become very good at that and with impunity, there seems to be in consequence to that and finally, fredricka, on the issue of him knowing about a meeting, a meeting in and of itself doesn't establish collusion. you meet with who you want. so i don't think there's any legal significance in any event,
from my perspective, as to whether he lied or not. >> all right. so, ron, what are the potential consequences here of this kind getting out?on, you know, - >> you know, depends on the -- i think that the critical question is where's the venue, which is ultimately judged. is it judged in a court of law or is it judged in congress in some kind of proceeding, eventually? i mean, look, you know, bob mueller could choose to challenge the justice department guidance under both richard nixon and bill clinton that a sitting president cannot be indited. he could choose to do that. most people think it is more likely that whatever conclusions he reaches about the president, he turns over to congress, and in that venue, in that, in effect, courtroom, the standards could be very different about what constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors. i think there's no question that republicans in congress would not view even a lie by the president about his knowledge of this meeting as sufficient grounds to move against him. i don't think there's any grounds that they would take,
short of an e-mail from vladimir putin saying, you know, here's what's coming. but a democratic congress in 2019 might view evidence that the president knew about this meeting and subsequently dictated a press statement, you know, misleading statement about what the purpose of the meaning was when it was very clearly indicated that it was going to be about dirt on hillary clinton, they might view that in a very different light. so if we understand that miss ultimately most likely going to be judged in a political context, i do believe this accumulation of evidence of the president's awareness of what was going on and his continuing efforts to obfuscate after the fact could be relevant in an obstruction of justice kind of consideration. >> because joey, no matter what this piling on, bottom line is it only draws more inference to the what's being hidden here. >> it really does, and just to piggyback a bit off of what ron's talking about. here's the reality. in the event that we're talking
about impeachment, you just need a majority in the house to impeach so 2018 midterm elections are critical because if the republicans lose control and it goes to the democrats, big problem for the president, but not so fast, because then you have to be impeached, right, where -- or actually removed and convict b convicted by the senate and it takes two-thirds so you need much more than just a majority that's there, so that's problematic. but you know, it's interesting, though, fredricka, because the president appears to lie with impunity and just get away with it one after the other after the other, and at the end of the day, in the event that you can not impeach or otherwise indict, rather, a sitting president, i mean, what therein lies the consequence. this seems to me to be a lot more political than it would be legal, particularly in the event that the republicans maintain control. >> ron? >> can i add real quickly. first of all, there are political consequences. you're talking about a significant majority of the country consistently saying the president cannot be told to tell -- cannot be trusted to tell the truth and that's one
reason his approval rating is around 41% or 42% with unemployment under 4%. just an incredible disjunction there. >> except within the party, he's at 90%. the rating is very, very high. >> right. in his own party, it's very, very high and that's one of the reasons why they won't act and i think it's important to recognize also that there's a lot of investigatory space for congress between doing, you know, essentially the minimal amount which is where we are now and going all the way to impeachment. for example, joey mentioned the blocked phone calls from donald trump jr., both before and immediately after this meeting. republicans have refused to subpoena those records. >> i wonder why. >> so far, they have are refused to call him back for testimony, public testimony, about who he told and what he told and kind of having him under oath before the cameras to do that. look, there is a lot -- you know, we continue -- the one thing we continue to find out is that we do not know all of this story. bob mueller knows a lot more of the story than anyone in the press and anyone in the public.
there is a lot more to learn, and the question is do we ever get that full accounting. there's no question that if democrats win the house, they are going to be much more aggressive in pursuing answers than republicans have so far. >> also very fascinating. ron, joey, thanks, gentlemen. appreciate it. all right. the u.s. just logged its best economic performance since 2014, but the threat of new trade tariffs is still hanging over the economy. straight ahead, a former u.s. ambassador to china weighing in on whether this could become an all-out trade war. i have to tell you something incredible. capital one has partnered with hotels.com to give venture cardholders 10 miles on every dollar they spend at thousands of hotels. all you have to do is pay with this
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the u.s. economy is roaring. the latest numbers show it grew at 4.1% in the spring, that's the biggest growth spurt since 2014. combine that with a near 18-year low in unemployment, factory orders on the rise and a surge in exports, and that gave president trump a chance to pat himself on the back. >> we've turned it all around. once again, we are the economic envy of the entire world. we've accomplished an economic turn around of historic proportions. >> all right, some economists say that bump may be temporary as farmers rush to ship products before new trade tariffs from china kick in. i want to bring in stephen moore, a cnn senior economics analyst and a former trump economics adviser and lynette lopez, a senior finance correspondent. lynette, how much credit should
the president get for this surge in the economy? >> we've hit 4.1% gdp or 4% gdp a couple times before during the obama administration. trump likes to say this is the first time it's happened in a long, long time. that's not a fact. the only difference now is that we have a president who touts these numbers like a flailing balloon man outside of a used car lot. you know, a lot of businesses are very concerned about the fact that tariffs are going to hit. they're concerned about what's coming in the future, so they're making a lot of investments now and i think that's why we saw a surge in investment, which, by the way, the only as great as, you know, it's about the same level as it was in 2012. so, nothing historic there either. and so one concern that economists have is indeed that we're going to see these numbers drop off in the next quarter. >> okay. that's a lot of cold water. so you know the president said a couple times yesterday, you know, that this level of growth is sustainable, but interest rates are going up and the
effective tax cuts won't last forever. so, do you think this is temporary? >> no, i mean, when we used to -- larry kudlow and i used to talk to donald trump all the time during the campaign and we formulated this strategy, cutting taxes, deregulating the economy, promoting american energy, being pro-american business, you know, we used to tell him, mr. president, we think you can get sustained economic growth of 3% to 4% for 5 or 6 years, so i've -- i'm sticking with that prediction. you know, as you just satid, fredricka, we're seeing record growth in our manufacturing. i don't know if you saw the numbers earlier this week about construction. i mean, everywhere you go, construction crews are hard at work. we've got record levels of construction. so, it's a really -- the economy is firing on all cylinders. >> does your plan still stand if trump's trade war goes through and we're not able to make deals with, you know, nafta and, you know, we have a deal to make a deal with the europeans, but the
trump auto tariffs that he seems to be thinking about, that could disrupt that because the europeans really very, very big in the auto market and care a lot about that. so the question is, does trump ruin all of your plans for trump? >> that's a great question. and look, i am nervous about the trade situation as you are, and correctly so. i do think what happened on wednesday this week, fredricka, was a big deal. it's a handshake agreement, but if the europeans go forward with this, they capitulated. they basically said we're going to lower our tariffs on american agricultural products or manufacturing products, our oil and gas. that's good news. that's always what trump has wanted. trump is not a trade protectionist. he wants to level the playing field. >> i don't think they agreed to much of anything, actually. >> how much confidence do you have? until it really is happening and there is an agreement, right now, it was kind of like in principle. >> this is very complicated stuff and what we've learned from the trump administration in doing trade deals is that they don't seem to be great at
getting into the nitty-gritty and holding, you know -- they're going after the europeans. they didn't hold the chinese accountability and zte, which is the company that stole our intellectual property and traded with north korea, and the trump administration is playing it fast and loose with china there, and still talking loud to our allies and friends. and this is -- and while the european is, you know, the europeans are playing nice with us for now, but that's not -- >> he'll respond to that. >> the devil is in the details. >> that's absolutely true. the devil is in the details but what happened, let's get the chronology straight here. trump threatened the europeans with a 20% auto tariffs unless they started bringing their tariffs down. that terrified the germans. the germans sell a lot of cars in the united states, a lot of bmws and mercedes and they can't live with that and the europeans came to the table and they basically made some agreements. now, whether they follow through with that or not, we will see, but if he can win on this in getting europe to be
cooperative, and by the way, one of the things they talked about was why don't we go to zero tariffs, which would be a fantastic agreement. >> europe is one of our -- is our best friend. win on getting them to be cooperative? we could have had them come to the table in a much nicer way without damaging our relationship. >> maybe except they've had these high tariffs on us for a long time and nobody's done anything about it. my point is, if this goes well and it's a very fluid situation, what we want to do is isolate the bad actor on the world scene and we all know who that is. that's china. china's stealing, they're cheating, you know, i heard you talking about lying with impunity earlier on the show. if there's any country that lies with impunity and been doing it for 30 years, it's china. so if we can isolate china, i think we've got a situation where we can see real strong growth for a long time. >> i asked max baucus if a potential trade war will hurt republicans at the polls and this is what he said. >> the it's -- election is not
too far away. if we have a trade war, i hope we do not, we all hope we do not, the effects of that may not really take effect for another couple, three months. it takes a little while for that to work its way through the economy in the form of higher prices and fewer products bought. it takes a little while. >> all right, so, linette, what do you think? >> business owners are actually already talking about this at all levels. they expect that trade war to start hitting them and for us to start seeing it in the data in the coming quarters. now, you know, how quickly does that impact jobs in sectors that are directly affected? how does it impact how farmers are going to deal with this? that is kind of a different story. but i mean, we're talking about two different things. one is consumer pricing, which takes longer, and the other is actually business decisions and what's going to happen to employment, which i think we'll see a little bit faster and i think that will impact. >> but you know what -- >> steven, do you see that making an impact at the ballot
box? >> here's the situation right now. china's economy is sloewed downa lot. their stock market's done really terribly this year. our stock market's done really well. in other words, what i'm saying is these tariffs, a trade war would crush china. china can't live with a trade war with the united states right now. their whole economy is dependent on selling stuff to the united states so we have a lot of leverage here. >> but you have to think about how the chinese economy works which is that it's completely control bid t controlled by the government and if they want to put their foot on the gas, they can do it. >> what does that mean? >> it's hard to look into a crystal ball. >> if they want to turn on the spigots, ease credit, make money easier to flow through the economy, backstop job losses, i mean, they can do whatever they want. >> all right. well, it's tough to know for sure. >> i think we're going to win on trade. >> i appreciate it, linette, steven, both of you making your forecasts. i appreciate it. thanks so much. good to see you. still ahead, a department of
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andrew, you helped uncover some of this information. were they allegations or was it indeed the case she admitted to doing these things? >> reporter: basically what happened is, as you mentioned, barreto, this far-right pundit basically got hired in december of 2017 to work at hhs. now, what we found along with a number of other outlets like media matters is that she had a history of making deeply, deeply anti-muslim comments. she used #banislam a number of times and she spread a lot of conspiracy theories. what happened following these stories is she was placed on leave for a number of weeks while hhs reviewed the material. after a few weeks passed, she was allowed back on the job and issued a public apology. now probably about a month after that, the website mediaite found
she had made additional comments, spread more conspiracies, made more anti-muslim comments, and found that she sent a tweet in which she basically called our story a smear. so, what happened was, you know, she was basically sort of forced to issue this public apology to keep her job, but then was on her private twitter feed also calling our story a smear, and what we heard was she was basically being protected by some higher-up staffers who knew her from the trump campaign and when those staffers left hhs, she, it seems, was also shown the door. >> so, if there was a track record preceding, you know, this position, why weren't those things taken into account before she actually got that job? >> yeah, so what i actually did, because i was very interested in that point that you just raised as well, i forwarded a copy of her resume to see what she had put on her resume, and her resume actually listed that she wrote for this conspiracy
website that she had this youtube show where she made many of the same anti-muslim comments, and it also listed her work for the trump campaign. it's unclear if that was in a volunteer capacity or if she was paid staff. i'm not sure. but it's sort of that pattern we've actually found where a number of former trump campaign people, you know, deputy state directors, people who had roles in individual states, then got hired by the administration and we find that they have these history of making controversial comments, anti-muslim, spreading conspiracies, and a number of them have resigned and she's just one of a handful. >> all right. andrew kaczynski, thank you so much. we'll be right back.
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"m oonves was violently kissing her, holding her down on the couch with her arms above her head." "the new yorker" recounts a similar claim from writer janet jones. she says, he came around the corner of the table and threw himself on top of me. it was very fast. moonves, she said, began trying to kiss her. jones said that she struggled and then shoved moonves away hard yell, what do you think you're doing. moonves, appearing startled, said, well, i was hitting on you. i wanted a kiss. jones began to leave. he said, oh come on, it's nothing. in a statement, moonves says, i recognize that there were times decades ago when i may have made some women uncomfortable by making advances. those were mistakes and i regret them immensely. but i always understood and respected and abided by the principle that no means no and i have never misused my position
to harm or hinder anyone's career. "the new yorker" article was written by ronan farrow. he also detailed allegations of rape and misconduct against hollywood producer harvey weinstein. in an interview with cnn, farrow describes the atmosphere of power and intimidation behind these latest allegations. >> you're dealing with both an individual who is at the top of his game and on whom many, many other powerful people depend for their livelihoods, and also a corporation that is at the apex of our culture, that shapes our news, that shapes our fiction that we consume, and as it turns out within this, in many facets of the company, and we're careful not to over generalize but we do say there are a string of examples manifested in litigation and complaints inside the company where people said this happened to me too. this wasn't just les moonves. this was a culture of protecting
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tree of life. go up there and see if this is true. i tried to get up. i only live a block away from the synagogue. i tried to get up shady avenue and was -- police cars everywhere. guns drawn, rifles, i was -- surreal. >> we first thought it was a training, a drill, whenever it came over the police scanner. we thought -- we couldn't even believe it. have you heard about any victims inside, their positions? if you knew of them? >> no. i'm sure -- i know everyone there. i know everybody in the building. i know that this -- i almost don't want to know but i have to know the tragedy that occurred inside. >> what have you been talking with -- with the other people that are past presidents or, you know, in a position of power within the jewish community here in squirrel hill? what has everyone been saying to you? >> well, i mean, all we had up until now, we had a -- i tried to call the -- i couldn't reach,
but the other past presidents, i spoke to the current president. but we're all either not in the area or we were en route and we just couldn't get in there. i mean, i was talking -- like i said, i was walking up shady and all of a sudden the shouts from the police officers, just "get out of here." you knew it was not a drill. >> have you had issues in the past with people coming in, people that were suspicious in anyway or did anything that caused you to be concerned? >> no, we've never had any threats. i will tell you -- i've always had a very watchful eye because of what's going on in the current climate, you know, you see these bombs being mailed across the country. and our security was really just that nobody's ever tried, you know, it was just the fact that nobody ever tried to do anything. because, you know, like most religious institutions, we have an open door. >> i asked the ceo of the jewish federation i'll ask you. can you describe for people that
are watching that aren't from pittsburgh that tonight know squirrel hill what this means that they would be targeted in this manner? >> just means that moving forward, this is a real occurrence and that we need to learn from this. you want to be proactive and do things -- in light of this happening, it will be needed for security i'm sure. because this is reality. >> you're glad, if you hadn't done that one thing, which many would think is a simple security measure, who knows how many people used those exit doors to get out. >> right. it was something that i was listening to the walk-through, i was listening to the homeland security experts. a lot of this comes down to ability to afford security. but to free up a door many times
is free. just use it. and it doesn't cost anything. and we did it. and a guy that we love in the c cong congragation, you know, augie could be alive because of it. >> and he was not in the basement. are there ways to get out of the basement? >> there are, yes. yes, their are. new life congregation, their sanctuary is in the lower floor, they know the route to get out. >> what's next for you? >> next for me is going to be more training, saying this -- it's not that when i would get up as president in front of leadership saying this could happen, now it's like this did happen. we have to put forth efforts to secure our building and the other leaderships across squirrel hill and across the country are going to have to do the same. >> thank you for taking the time to talk to us. thank you. all right. we're going to send it back. >> this is cnn breaking news.
>> hello, again, everyone. thank you for being with us. this breaking news we're going to begin with, a gunman opens fire in a synagogue in pittsburgh. officials report 12 casualties and at least four dead. cnn's nick valencia is tracking the story for us. what are you learning? >> so disturbing. how many times have we reported on similar situations, a mass shooting in an american city, this time in pittsburgh, in the squirrel hill neighborhood, a high concentration of jewish community there in that neighborhood. here's what we know. according to the website for tree of life synagogue, their saturday service, their shabbat service which is the busiest day for any synagogue, started at 9:45 a.m. the fir reports we got here at cnn, reports of an active shooter, came in just after 10:20 this morning. here's what we know at this time. according to our correspondent shimon prokupecz, at least 12
people were shot. what we can confirm is least four people died. at least three police officers injured in gunfire. the extent of their injuries has not been made clear. the shooter we can report is in custody, and according to kdka, that alleged gunman has been described as a white male, a bearded heavy set white male. he is in custody and is currently, at last report, being transported to a hospital with unspecified injuries. this is still a live scene. you're looking at images there on your screen. if it's still an active, chaotic scene there in the squirrel hill neighborhood of pittsburgh. we can only assume that police are continuing to sweep the area for other potential threats, perhaps even devices in that general vicinity. the president has tweeted about the incident. the vice president and the
governor of pennsylvania, we understand, is en route. we just heard from the past president of the tree of life synagogue saying there are three competing services happening on saturday around 9:45 and upwards -- or nearly 100 people could have been in the building at the time of the shooting. again, this is all still a very fluid situation here. a very chaotic scene. another scary day here in america, fredricka. >> all right, thank you so much. we'll check back with you. let's talk more about all this. i want to bring in retired fbi supervisory special agent. former u.s. art marshal, art rodd rodderic. and former secret service a gent and department of homeland security official charles marino. glad all you could be with me. we just heard, you know, information coming from our sources. 12 shot. 4 confirmed dead.
among the injured are three police officers. and so, james, does this tell you that there was an exchange perhaps of gunfire between this gunman who authorities say is now in custody and these at least three officers injured? >> absolutely. we have somebody who has committed murder, attempted murder and assaulted police officers and responding law enforcement. people have been texting and saying, you know, who has purview here. would fbi have oversight for something like this. as we were watching the feed there, i can tell you, i saw robert jones who's the fbi special agent in charge of the pittsburgh division on scene. he's the former assistant director of the branch at headquarters. the fbi will assist in this case until there's a determination which we're probably moving that direction that this could possibly be a hate crime. these are murders. obviously these are state charges.
the police, it's their scene right now. the fbi will offer whatever type of response capabilities, investigative capabilities, for processing any type of evidence going forward. they're going to be working a collaborative effort right now until we determine what type of charges are going to be leveled against this gunman. >> you have multiple things going on. you have the investigation of the who, the what happened, the eagainst of events and of course anything that may have preceded what took place today. all at the same time. but what we heard from the former president of the tree of life synagogue who says just in recent years did they take action to have more exits, at the same time open doors, it's a place of worship. they want to welcome everyone to come in. only on special, you know, high religious holidays would they have security at the door. so today may have been a very porous day where everyone is
welcome. how will investigators approach that, knowing there's so many ways of entry and exit? >> many religions have open door policies which means they welcome people to worship, particularly during the saturday morning service. i think local law enforcement and various communities around the country work with the fbi and work together to try to ascertain specific threats against specific synagogues. as i mentioned earlier, the percentage of anti-semitic attacks have gone up significantly. in 2017, we had 12 anti-semitic attacks in the state of new york alone. every synagogue has a security team regularly assessing what that threat environment looks like. interacting with local law enforcement in their community to ascertain what the threat level looks like who, i would imagine, james, are in touch with the fbi to track hate crime threat reporting.
>> and evy, you know, while we heard from the former president who said, you know -- or evy, whether, while we heard from the former president earlier who said he worked with homeland security on advice on how to protect this place of worship, yet at the same time, you know, honor the open door policy allowing people in. how will investigators go about trying to see whether there's any correlation between what happened today and the shooter's acts today, whether there were any threats ahead of what happened today. if there's any history with the suspected gunman or gunmen, plural? >> they're going to look at that, but i think the most important thing to really look at here is that sometimes you don't need a threat. sometimes there is no warning. he had actually worked with security. i think that's important.
so reaching out to local authorities. saying hey, you know what, we're calling from a church or synagogue or school, wherever you are, and asking them, inviting them over, will you come over and speak to us about this and will you speak to our staff about this. this way, everybody is trained. something as simple as making sure your emergency doors work can save lives. it's not just one door. know where multiple doors are. walk those doors. teaching them what's cover, what's concealment. that way, when you're an environment and something does happen, you can respond. you don't have the time to stop and think what do i do. because those seconds count. those seconds matter. it's super important for these communities. invite them, create relationships with them. also, they can train them what to look for. anything odd or any suspicious behavior or anything that might
seem, you know, concerning. when you create this relationship, everybody can work collaboratively together. because i think what we've been doing historically is putting the onus on law enforcement. law enforcement can solve this problem. law enforcement can figure this out. and we can't do that because law enforcement is most situations a reactive part of this. the problem happens, they try to get there as quickly as possible. we need to shift as we're seeing more mass shootings historically happen, we need to shift that perspective and say what can we do collectively to be proactive and try to mitigate or prevent them. >> and, art, while police say this is an active shooter scene, even though they have one suspected gunman in custody, what's the level of questioning, what kind of access what kind of information potentially can they get out of this suspect before they leave the scene, before they say all clear? >> yes, they're in the phase now of making sure that the scene is
safe so there's a couple different things going on. not only are they clearing the facility, the synagogue, but also the parking lot surrounding it, and any neighboring houses to make sure everybody's accounted for and this individual was acting alone. they're also questioning him, as jim mentioned earlier, you know, we've been talking about this public safety issue. as we did with the mail bomber. but, you know, they want to make sure this individual acted alone. that there was no other people helping him out. and that, you know, the area is safe. and one other comment on the top of the hour, evy was talking about the same thing, about the security surveys. both with my time with the department of security and the department of justice as a u.s. marshal, we did these security surveys all the time for places of worship. and that is key. because these surveys will talk about issues of exit doors, surveillance cameras, actual
security at these facilities. it's incumbent upon these places of worship and schools to reach out to local law enforcement or to federal law enforcement when you get the surveys done. >> charles, what about resources? this happens when already the country, law enforcement, so many divisions, on heightened alert as a result of the 13, you know, pipe bombs that have been mailed across the country to a variety of people including, you know, former presidents. so now you've got according to james' information a little bit earlier, you've got new york authorities who have now descended on protecting a number of synagogues throughout the city as a result of this shooting taking place in pittsburgh. talk to me about how resources are being fanned out, how multitasking, you know, is the real challenge today. >> good morning. thank you for the question and, you know, my thoughts and prayers go out to everybody affected by this event. and thanks to law enforcement for doing an excellent job.
resores certainly are an important issue for local law enforcement. i think in the mail bombing case, you saw a perfect example of a prioritization where they needed to find this individual. you saw the joint terrorism task force with all of its resources. the investigation goes upon which is requiring resources. those resources will be brought to bear to see this through to a final resolution. in this case here, evy brought up a good point about coordination with local authorities. local authorities are very well trained regarding what types of resources to respond with dependent on the situation. here, it cannot be stated enough that the training and preparation and early engagement by many jewish organizations with the department of homeland security, many, many years ago, being aware of this very real threat that they face at their
synagogues and other places of worship, were prepared with how to survive this type of event. at the end of this, it's going to be very interesting to find out how many lives were saved because of their preparation and practice for this type of event. but law enforcement is certainly there with the numbers that are necessary to stop the threat. >> josh campbell, cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi supervisory special agent, has also joined the table here. you know, josh this is an immediate priority, simultaneous to the immediate priority of all these packages that have been mailed out which investigators continue to look at, as they have a suspect. we just heard from the fbi director wray who said yesterday don't be surprised if there might be other packages out there. so how simultaneously are these investigators happening separately? at the same time, perhaps there may even be, you know, a
crossing of resources. >> the fbi has 56 field offices around the country. some 400 satellite offices. they're called residential agencies. these are the offices and communities around the country with the agents who work with state officials. they're used to working in their do main. what would happen here is authorities in pittsburgh in the field office will be working with their counterparts locally. that information is shared to larger networks around basically it's been set up where if you have information, you can blast that out to partners. you want to know if they know anything that might be helpful to you. that's all going on right now. lastly, there are so many resources that are available to law enforcement. it's what they call mutual aid. if something happened in one location, officers can ask for assistance. i'm not so much concerned with the lack of resources. one thing that's interesting is if you're back at fbi headquarters right now and the
department of justice, this is the central nervous system. you are monitoring both of these threats. as we speak right now, i have no doubt that cnn is in the strategic operations center and they're seeing what's happening on the ground, they're communicating with officers. trying to get that picture. very much an all hands on deck approach to be able to cover two high-profile incidents at the same time. >> sam, take us to the scene of what's taking place. while authorities say they have one person in custody, we don't know if that person is cooperating, providing any more information about digital footprint, about whether that person was working in concert with anybody else. at the same time, there's the immediacy of attending to the injured. we know there are 12 people shot. 4 dead. those are the latest numbers. authorities of course don't want those numbers of fatalities to rise. >> anybody that's injured is stabilized. they're going to take care of that first. james, you mentioned this earlier, they're also going to
make sure whomever is coming out of this building is not implicated in the crime. those things can happen at the same time. while simultaneously trying to make sure this wasn't an isolated incident. we don't know this individual was in touch with anybody else or whether he inspired any other attacks around the country. we talked about that with respect to the bombing suspect and whether he inspired copycat attacks. this is a massive media event. i would imagine the fbi in coordination with local law enforcement around the country is advising folks on the ground to make sure no threats come up over the next hours as members of the jewish community participate in afternoon services on shabbat and other members of religious communities are also worshipping. if this is defined as a hate crime, also implicates other places of worship as well, i would imagine authorityings are coordinating again about any threats that come up. >> the digital footprint, you brought that up earlier, so
important in investigating today. not just trying to understand the history. but sometimes it also raises a flag of what might be planned next. so -- >> within mere moments yesterday of mr. sayic's name being released to the public, we already had through alexis and nexus checks his bankruptcy filing. we had pictures of him, his social media platform. cnn was able to pull him out of a crowd in a rally and isolate that image. the digital footprint here is critical. goes back to motivation. we look at this. the pieces seem to fall into place. who were the victims. who were the people that were targeted. but people expressing the past week during this bombing square, law enforcement got to keep an open mind on this. law enforcement got to make sure they don't get so hyper focussed in one direction they close their bandwidth down and don't take everything into account. that's why profiling has become
that for law enforcement. we want to make sure, look, active shooters, 4% of them are women, but immediately you're not going to rule that out and say this couldn't be. you've got to make sure you keep everything in play and follow the evidence wherever it takes you. >> so evy while this was an active shooter scene right now, one person, according to authorities, is still -- or is in custody. can you explain for us what are law enforcement looking for? before they feel certain that they can give it an all clear? because the threat, the immediate threat, is over in that neighborhood. >> they're going to want to try to speak to him. hopefully he's willing to talk. that's the most important thing, asking him those questions right off the bat, who's working with you. are there any bombs. are there any other guns? just those immediate things. if he's speaking, that will be helpful to law enforcement. at the same type, you have to cooperate what he's saying, because obviously this is an individual who just opened fire. you can't take what they say
also as the truth. getting that information verbally from him, trying to asset if there are other people involved, going around the areas, securing the area, finding out where he lives, his residency. they immediately want to go there, assess the environment, looking at the dimg tall footprints, looking at who he's talking to, contacting family and friends, doing all these things. you don't want to leave the scene until you really know what's going on and you feel comfortable leaving the scene. so them staying there and taking their time is a wise thing because they're trying to make sure they check all those boxes, not make it -- you can't make any assumptions, right? you can't assume, okay, we've got him, good. also, how many weapons did he have? did he have any explosive devices? if you're looking at a large amount, there might be a question, well, did he get resources? did someone else help him? any other individuals involved? once you can say with some level of certainty, okay, we can
remove, it's also rendering the area safe. this is a residential area. people live there. before law enforcement takings that huge printout, there's all these personnel. they want to make sure everybody else there is also safe. so it's not just securing him but securing the area and the people that live there. >> right. multiple teams had fanned out. josh. >> we can't underscore the potential value here, having a subject that's been taken alive. sometimes in there's an exchange of gunfire, a shooter will be neutralized. if they're able to take him into custody, now they can interview him. a dead body doesn't speak. >> it's almost a priority to see if you can extrapolate more information? >> the focus of law enforcement officers will be to neutralize the threat. they're not going to go into the scene thinking let's try to take this person alive. their main focus is does this
person pose a threat. i'm saying this is a benefit of having someone you can then interview. you can ask, why were you doing what you were doing? some people are proud of what they've done and they want to tell you about it. other people may clam up. other people may regret the decisions they've made. some people might lawyer up. it's a potential value to be able to ask questions. >> might it also be on display this is a particularly combative individual if we're talking about three police officers that were shot. >> the problem with these active shooter situations, the person committing them is some type of zealot or crazy person, going in there with the notion they're going to take their own life. that makes it very difficult. look where we are, just over a year from the law enforcement
shooter. we still don't have answers there. why? he killed himself. had no digital footprint. and we're still struggling to piece it together. people argue and say why are you so focused on the motivation? well, it's causality. it helps us get in front of hopefully preventing the next one. a year ago, the attack in lower manhattan a few blocks from here. new york city decided to put up concrete blocks around the bike path. it's awful to say this in a free and open society where we cherish our civil liberties. but these are soft targets. and people are looking at them as such and going, maybe i can't get away with this at the airport. i can't take out my vengeance at the fed or museum where there's security but maybe i can walk into a house of worship or school or some place that doesn't have adequate security. >> this is terrorism in so many different ways. all right, moments ago, the
former rabbi of tree of life synagogue, chuck diamond, spoke to reporters and he had this to say. >> 9:45. so jews come late to services so for a lot of people that's probably a good thing today. at the time, there's three services in the building. there's maybe 10 to 15 i would say for each service possibly at that time. people would be in the outer area. maybe just coming in. there are a few staff people who might be greeting people. >> is one entrance on -- >> on shabbat, there's no security. i have to tell you, i always in the back of my mind had something like this might happen, you know, because of the way of the world today. >> one of the past presidents, michael eisenberg, told us he did conduct training. >> yes. >> including homeland security.
>> yes, people came in, sponsored by the jewish community -- the federation of pittsburgh. has a very active program. >> what kind of training did they go into in. >> well, i tell you, i wasn't there for that particular training. but it's something, again, as a jewish professional, what's going on in the world, even though we've been fairly safe here in pittsburgh. it's just something in the back of your mind to see somebody -- i once had during the rmgs school time, religious school time, somebody pulled up in a long trench coat and went to go to the trunk of his car. i knew him, but i went out to check it out just to make sure. you just always have to be careful. i got a call from an old congregant who said what they heard -- i'm concerned -- i'm concerned about the people who were the early -- the people who came on type. most of them were older.
and i just talked to one of their sons who doesn't know where his mother is. it's a concern. >> so many people showing up, not knowing if their loved one is all right. >> right. >> what is your words for them? >> just have some faith and hang in there and try to be of comfort for them. it's a very difficult time for all of us. for everybody. but for those who knew people who were there. i called people i knew trying to see if they're okay, you know, and one is a doctor and he said he saw somebody's name on the list who was taken to the emergency room who, again, was one of those people who was always there on time. >> have you talked to the con a congregation about what if this happens? >> no. i had in my mind what i would do in helping people. it's kind of frustrating, you know, in some ways wish you were there to help people. you always think, like, you can be of help to some degree.
i worked in a synagogue in detroit, michigan -- i wasn't there in 1962, but a rabbi was killed by somebody who came in and -- >> we're hearing unconfirmed reports this was fuelled by hate. >> that's what it sounds like. there's a lot of anti-semitism out there and a lot of hate out there. just look in the news everyday. it's sobering that it's touched our community. i've gotten text from people from india, from canada. wanting to know if everybody is okay. >> the man who is the past president says now instead of saying what if it happens, it did happen and hopefully get more done. >> during the week, the doors are locked. on shabbat, it's a little bit more of a chore because you don't necessarily have anybody in the office.
to let people in. we can't let that happen. we have to take all precautions at all times unfortunately. >> have you been able to reach anybody you know who may have been in there? >> one person who was always on time with his son coming in from sewikly said he got caught up in traffic. he said, i'm going to services. the police said no, you're not. and he went home. >> describe the jewish community in squirrel hill. >> it's a really nice -- i grew up here. i live right there, around the block. the house that i grew up in. and it's a wonderful jewish community. there's -- i think we all get together across the board whether it's orthodox or hasidic or conservative or reform. and we have wonderful jewish community centers. it's very vibrant, very active. >> do you know if any
children -- >> all right, we're listening to the former rabbi saying it's a very sobering day. a lot now has to be reconsidered. he too recalls it being an open door policy at that church and says security was not something that would generally happen. high level security on shabbat. all of that now he says has to be reconsidered. so, again, active shooter scene there in pittsburgh, in this community, even though one person is in custody. meantime, we just got in this tweet from the president. this, now, perhaps his third tweet of the morning in respect to what's happening in pittsburgh. saying this now, events in pittsburgh are far more %-p. spoke with mayor and governor to inform them that the federal government has been and will be with them all the way. you're looking at a very rainy situation there at andrews.
where the president's motorcade on the way before the president boards air force one. perhaps he'll have more comments. it's always an opportunity that reporters try to take. but given very rainy, nasty situation, who knows how difficult that will be. but of course we're on it. meantime, we're going to continue to talk here with my panel. shimon prokupecz, cnn crime and justice reporter. it was through your sources we learned 12 people were shot, a confirmation of 4 people dead. what are your sources telling you now? >> i think we need to be clear to viewers, there are no other shooters at this point, they believe they have the one person responsible for this in custody. law enforcement there is going through the building. there are several floors in the building. they're going through. there was some suspicious packages. we'll probably get an all clear
here pretty soon. they've gone through the building. we do expect the scene to open up for investigators to come in and start processing the crime scene. the other things we learned is that the shooter here, during th uttered anti-jewish phrases. certainly why police were taken him into custody. clearly this is now developing into obviously some kind of hate crime. so we'd likely see the fbi come in and take over the investigation. >> let's listen in right now. >> be speaking, making a statement at the farmers of america. future farmers that have the big conference. we'll be making a major statement. it's a terrible, terrible thing
what's going on with hate in our country frankly and all over the world. and something has to be done. something has to be done. it looks like results are coming in, they're more devastating than anybody thought in the morning. in the morning they thought it was the shooter but they had the shooter, they soon would, but the results are very devastating. you're seeing the numbers come in. so we'll be speaking to you at the conference, the future farmers of america, conference, and it's just a shame to watch this, to see this. for so many years, so much of it, absolutely a shame. have any questions? >> mr. president do you think you need to revisit gun laws? >> please? >> gun laws, mr. president. gun laws. >> well, again, this has little to do with it if you take a look. if they had protection inside
the results would have been far better. this is a dispute that will always exist i suspect. if they had some kind of protection inside the temple, maybe it could have been a very much different situation. they didn't. and he was able to do things that unfortunately he shouldn't have been able to do. i hear the police were outstanding. i hear the police did an incredible job. as you know, numerous police were badly injured. but, again, law enforcement did a fantastic job. we're going to have a very complete statement for you. results are coming in of what took place, how it took place. again, law enforcement was outstanding. as always. i mean, as usual, and as always, law enforcement was really outstanding. they stepped up to the place. but pittsburgh, great community, incredible people. i spoke to the governor. i spoke to the mayor.
to see this happening again and again and again is just a shame. >> mr. president -- >> -- instead of seeing it happen again and again, end this kind of violence? >> well, it's a violence -- you look at the violence all over the world. i mean, the world has violence. the world is a violent world. and you think when you're over it, it just sort of goes away, but then it comes back in the form of a mad man, a whacko. i think one thing we should do is stiffen up laws in terms of the death penalty. when people do this, they should get the death penalty and shouldn't have to wait years and years. now the laws lawyers will get involved and everybody's going to get involved and we'll be ten years down the line. i think they should stiffen up laws and i think they should very much bring the death penalty into vogue. anybody who does a thing like this to innocent people in
temple, in church. we had so many incidents with churches. they should be -- they should really suffer the ultimate price. they should pay the ultimate price. i felt that way for a long time. some people disagree with me. i can't imagine why. this has to stop. we're going to have a statement at our stop with the young farmers. >> towards the beginning of your presidency, you met with the nra. you said maybe you were the president who can help solve this. do you see that now as a possibility? >> it's a case where -- again, nobody knows exactly what took place yet. it's too soon. this is a case where they had an armed guard inside, they might have been able to stop him immediately. this had been a case where if there were an armed guard inside the temple, they would have been able to stop them. maybe there would have been nobody killed except for him frankly. so it's a very, very -- very difficult situation. when you look at it, we can look
at it two ways. again, if he had somebody to protect people. now, isn't it a shame you even have to speak that way? that we even have to think of that inside a temple or inside of a church? but certainly the results might have been far better. >> do you think al churches and synagogues should have armed guards? >> i hate to think of it that way. i will say that. so we'll see you with the future farmers. >> is that what you're suggesting? >> i mean, in this world, this is a world with a lot of problems. and it has been a world with a lot of problems for many years. many, many years. you could say, frankly, for many centuries. you're looking at what goes on, but certainly you want protection. they didn't have any protection. they had a maniac walk in. they didn't have any protection. that is just so sad to see.
so sad to see. results could have been much better. it is a very, very difficult thing. for me, as president, to watch any of this go, you know, before i ran for office, i'd watch incidents like this with churches and other things and think, what a shame, what a shame. but it's even tougher when you're the president of the united states and you have to watch this kind of a thing happen. it is so sad to see. so we'll see you at the -- with the young fampl rmers. >> do you think there's anything you can do with the nra? >> we're always talking. we're always talking to the -- >> all right, the president on his way to air force one there, on his way to the future farmers of america. before that, taking a moment there to answer questions from reports there with a variety of thoughts on the shooting that has taken place in pittsburgh. everything from the world is a
violent world, saying perhaps what needs to be intentertained stiffer laws on the death penalty. bring the death penalty into vogue he says. he also says, you know, it's a case where no one knows. however, he also said if perhaps there was an armed guard inside the synagogue, they would have been able to stop him. meaning the one gunman that we understand at least is in custody right now. all right, back with me now. with my panel here. josh, sam. and shimon. sam, your first reaction there right? the president focusing not just on the consequences and not necessarily drilling down on the causation. you know, he did start out talking about, you know, this being a display of hate. but then went to stiffer laws. your thoughts? >> i think it's irresponsible. this is a live investigation.
he made statements at the beginning this was far more devastating than he previously thought. we don't know exactly what he was briefed on. there is still people that have not been able to get in touch with their family members. there's still people waiting to hear if their relatives, if their children, if their parents may have been involved in this incident. saying it's more devastating than originally thought, i can't imagine how that must feel. this was his greatest hits. he went to everything he typically does in this situation. the death penalty. arming more people to prevent gun violence. going back to this notion this isn't the result of a narrative under way in america. this isn't the result of a hateful rhetoric increasing in this juncture. he's looking to point fingers. again, while this is an ongoing investigation and we don't have a whole lot of information yet. >> people are looking to the president to then address a causation of hate. this is a place of worship.
and someone has gone into i place of worship, disrupted peace, killed, injured. people are looking for the president to talk about, you know, how do we get to unifying some kind of, you know, bringing people together message, josh? >> that's right. what we saw there makes it harder for law enforcement. when there's a major incident, the law enforcement community will reluctantly share information. they'll only share so much -- as much as they need to to inform the public about a threat. to let them know, okay, they're on the case. the reason why it gets frustrated now, to get information, is because they really hold that close to the vest because they don't want to speculate. they want to get the facts straight. i remember a number of these incidents where we're thinking, okay, we're pretty sure if this is the case. until we know what the truth is, law enforcement isn't going to go out there and speculate. we saw the opposite just now. and that's what's unfortunate here. i know working with teams under
president george w. bush, under president obama, the white house teams, any time the president would step to the mic, they would have a reason, a message. determine what do they need to tell the american people because their words matter. i don't know if there was a strategy behind that but there was speculation. he's the commander in chief. he can say whatever he wants. law enforcement isn't going to overrule him. it's just fascinating to see that speculation about what's happened here. >> however, though, he has been breech briefed. >> he said we're learning more -- >> i think he's learned more -- >> loosely he says that. >> it is challenging because he -- instead of uniting folks and saying, you know, we'll get through this rt, we're coming oa pretty scary week in this country -- >> and still in the midst of. >> for law enforcement this is a
very perilous time. when you talk to senior law enforcement officials, they will tell you what we're facing and what we're seeing on the threat stream, it's really scary what's going on. >> why you are making that point, year beiwe're looking at images. this is a large sin goynagogue e squirrel hill neighborhood. this is where a shooting took place earlier today. not long after services were to get under way. we understand they were going to be -- they were probably simultaneous at least three services taking place in this very sizable synagogue. police have said sources that shimon has spoke within confirming 12 people shot. three officers shot and four people had been killed. so continue with your thoughts. >> just to get back to that scene. to get back to what's going on. police have spent sort of the last several hours, couple of hours, going through, floor by floor, of this synagogue.
they came across some suspicious packages. some stuff belonging to him. medical bags as well. obviously they were treating the injured. they don't believe there are any bombs or explosives inside the building. we should be seeing them exit the building where investigators are processing the crime scene. >> that makes it difficult, too. a shooting takes place. people drop what they have. their purses, they drop, they run, et cetera. they might be looking for a bag or anything in association with a suspect, they also have to treat everything, right, everything as potentially suspect. so it takes time. that's why now a couple hours after the fact it is still considered an active scene. >> especially we're hearing reports there may have been a jewish ceremony for newborn boys happening. there may be additional packagings that people brought into that building which would further complicate things. >> if you think about what happened just last week, right
where we're seated, we talked a lot about what security officials here are wondering why do you evacuate a building if there's a device somewhere. they have to methodically work through and tick through every squash inch of a facility. a massive compound. they're going to have to go through all that. to your great point, they don't know what's suspicious and what's not. they treat everything suspicious unless they have that comfort level, okay, now we can move on. it shows the taskings, to show up to a situation where you don't know what you're dealing with. >> evy, so as it relates to the president's comments, he was there on the tarmac before getting on to air force one, with a scattering, you know, of thoughts about this investigation. it being, you know, worse than he initially thought. also, you know, going to thoughts of that's why you have to have stiffer laws, death penalty. had there been an armed guard in his view at the synagogue, perhaps this wouldn't be so bad. what's your experience in terms of a president's message, how it
can either help or complicate matters? >> i think when he received his briefing and making sure what he does or doesn't address. there's a couple of things. one of the things that concerned me sometimes when i see -- when we go on air, we discuss these things, is when people address these shooters as crazies. and when we take -- >> and the president used that word, you know, a world of -- this is a world that is a violent world. and you have whackos. >> right. so the concern with that is when we put people in these boxes, we're not solving the problem. the capital punishment, that's after the fact. when people commit these egregious crimes, the more severe punishment will not help. but identifying individuals and labbi inlabeling them as such it going to be able to help us. but being able to understand why individuals do this, understanding who he is, is
there a mystery of mental health? is there hate? what has happened in that person's life? if we can gather knowledge and identify the people who do this, understand the profiles. are there profiles? are there patterns? and then create a society where we can prevent this type of stuff. so calling people names or calling people crazy or whacko, that doesn't help. you're just putting somebody in that random category. as far as having somebody at the front door, security, you can have that. what i've learned -- i do a lot of schools and religious places reach out to me and they will ask me, they'll tell me, what do we do? one of the biggest problems they have is money. they cannot afford to pay somebody to stand by that door all the time. resources is a big problem. we also see in this incident there was, what, three officers so far from what we understand were injured.
they had a problem probably with this individual and were injured during a gunfight. having that security personnel, church, synagogue, school, any other soft target, that's a big undertaking. >> yes, it is. well, you know, on the issue of security, we've heard a few different things. even a member of that synagogue. all saying there have been in the past some threats, anti-semitic behavior. we also heard the thought that police presence only takes place on high religious holidays. on a day like this, a regular saturday services, they don't have the same kind of intensified police security. but we do know, you know, across country at some synagogues we're learning right now as a result of what's taking place, they are heightening security.
is there a regular practice perhaps at many synagogues across the country, given there has been a history of anti-semitic behavior, you know, from coast to coast? and we heard from the former president of this synagogue who said he consulted with homeland security about the best measures to put in place. >> the president was right about one thing. that is anti-semitism and hate crimes are not new. i think he'd be hard pressed to find a jew or another member of a religious group that hasn't been some kind of hate crime. most synagogues around the country are aware of the toxic environment against the jewish community. very regularly share information with local law enforcement. certain synagogues have law enforcement, direct law enforcement relationships and even have security guards at the door. i belong to a synagogue. it has security personnel on the high holy days. we don't know exactly what happened at this synagogue. true security guards with pistols even at the door of a synagogue are going to have a
hard time working against a man with an ar-15 or assault rifle. i don't know it is on the synagogue to really work better with local law enforcement. >> security doesn't always mean what you see either. >> correct. josh can speak to that i'm sure. the direct relationship between local law enforcement is even more important today. >> yes, it is a reality in the united states. this is very unfortunate. as somebody who worked with different community groups. the religious community is different when it comes to how they look at security. it shows you when an incident like this happens in one location, it still terrorizes people. i look at this, it's hard to disassociate yourself. i go to protestant church. there's not an armed security guard. they're not constantly getting
threats. there are security that rove around obviously, you know, we're in a heightened state -- >> there's a presumption of safety. >> correct. you're exactly right. unfortunately for the jewish community in the united states, security is a main stay. it is part of going to synagogue. i can tell you walking around los angeles, you see synagogues, you see a large security presence outside. you just can't forget what that means to people to know that i can't even go in to this facility to practice my faith and my work without always having to keep in the back of my mind, as a very real reminder in front of me, that i'm under a threat. law enforcement and the jewish community, they're synced up across the nation. they share information. they share best practices. it's this reality. it's disheartening. sad when incidents like this happen. >> evy are you still there? >> one thing i want to jump on regarding what josh is saying, security and law enforcement, two different things. you can have security guards or people there. it doesn't always mean there's going to be armed.
you don't know what their level of training is. here we have three officers who triy eied to deal with this individual and got injured. you don't know what level of training they have. you don't know how good they are. you don't know if they can run from -- i've seen some security people in some places where i don't know if they can run from one corner of the block to another. so there's also that. security, law enforcement, they're not the same thing. just because you put somebody there who's got, you know, a uniform on doesn't mean they're going to be able to deal with the situation. >> right. i stink instincts are different. >> right, in orlando, there was a police officer out there who was overpowered by the shooter who was using high-powered weapons. that could be what happened here. there are some indications he was using high-powered weapon here. even if there was an armed guard there, what is one armed guard --
>> look, these situations are -- >> they're very different. >> there may be some common threads but there's no framework for terrorism. >> if someone wants to do something like this, there's really nothing anyone can do to stop. no matter how much security you have. the concern always is, as we hear, like, did someone know something about this individual and didn't come forward? did someone know that he was about to do this, that he was planning, that he had these weapons, he had these anti-jewish views? we'll see if that's the case and if someone didn't come forward or was this guy in hiding and planning this on his own. those are the things that usually prevent these kinds of attacks. once someone gets ready to do something like this and, you know, josh can certainly speak to this better than i can, there's nothing you can do to stop them. the idea there may be -- whethers thewhether s there was an armed guard or not. we should be focusing on the people who are injured. the people are now suffer, the
families. on a saturday, it's -- it's the sabbath. like you're in there to pray. to be with your family. yes. this should not happen, right? that's the larger question here. in terms of what is going on. if this continues and just t continues to happen. that's something we should remember law enforcement is facing. this is a big problem. >> there are multiple hallmarks of terrorism, hate-filled acts like this. clearly no singular -- >> i have to go, i'm sorry. >> we got you, evy, thank you so much. no singular framework for something as heinous as this. again this is still an active live shooter scene. even though one person is in custody. law enforcement remains there at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh. we'll be right back. ♪ eastbound and down. ♪ loaded up and truckin'.
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a divided party and heightening her own political profile to many voters she's an unknown quantity and important european and state elections are in the offing does an agreed crumb qanbar have what it will take not only to do that but also to succeed her mentor uncle americal as chancellor that's the question we pose on this week's fredricka here are guests it's a pleasure to welcome. you back to the program she's a correspondent for the french magazine live class and she says i doubt that the new team in berlin will deliver a huge boost for europe and very glad to have dark scally with us once again he's a correspondent for the irish times and he says. i believe that a k.-k. will have to make clear to uncle americal and soon who is chef and who is waitress in their relationship and reestablish germany as a source of ideas and momentum. for european integration and finally it's
a pleasure to greet multi-lane when he works for the daily journal tucker spiegel and he says k.k. is a conservative catholic and european she fought successful elections has governing experience and knows her own party well she could definitely be the next shots later and most of them in let me start with you and ask you quite simply why should the world care about a change in the leadership of germany's conservative party a skeptical viewer might say this is just internal party politics. the city who is is is the strongest most powerful german party in germany i would say it is by and large the fault biggest saw economy in the world in the strong powerhouse in germany so why should they care they have to care who would be the next fencer and by any chance the next chance is the new party leader of the c.d.u. so the the odds are high that they come pomp i will be possibly the new
chancellor what that means we're going to come back to later on in the program dr scully certainly our colleagues care eighteen hundred international journalists were registered for that party conference at which and a great crown qanbar was confirmed as party leader are they just in their political bubble here in berlin or is this in fact an event of great momentum yes no i was in hamburg it was quite the bottom five not everyone could get into the main hall no i think this shows what people in germany don't often realize is how much tension germany now gets it started during the euro crisis it's been building germany has become the indispensable part of the european puzzle it always was but i think what i'm going merkel with her slow deliberate style trying to bring people along it just made clear that will eat if you can get a deal through without germany and i think that makes people here slightly nervous when they realize how i've been is watching but you saw it in one burg everyone expects i don't have huge expectations and there's been a lot of you know have come ka-bar talk but a lead in period on the from america we need new ideas we need new momentum and the
rest of europe is watching that may make certain germans nervous but i think they just need to grow up and realize germany is a big power they must be comfortable with leading bus at least leading by example and coming up with some new ideas for europe you are opening statement said you don't think this new team is going to deliver a big boost for europe the fact is that a lot of people in france have been looking toward this coalition government for real movement on some of the reform proposals that president. call france has made and they haven't gotten an answer until now and now i'm a great come current power is from a western state of germany very close to the french border at times it's even been part of france in past history do you not think she is going to act in a way instinctively pro european i think she's definitely pro you see and i mean she as you said she has been is the president in this region which is just opposite
as us and not telling him she speaks perfect friend she has had a very very pro european policy imposing for example that in schools you learn french the language of the. neighbor program he's very pro european i think he thinks it's not so much a problem of hope personality and our politics it's the problem that it's too late i mean we're going to have a european election may imagine mccourt has been waiting for eighteen months to get a move and unsought from germany and now this window which had been opened by the arrival of the pro european in france has closed i think it's too late would you both agree with that you both mentioned european integration in your opening statements as a potential plus on i'm going i was going to talk about europe the solution is right now only a small part of it lies in berlin and germany if we talk about europe we are
watching the bracks to tears i'm watching the problems of him on the michael we are watching italy's government consisting of left wing inviting populist parties. east european countries very nationalistic scandinavian countries facing right wing populism as well so europe itself is in a very very bad condition and i don't see how any chancellor of germany if it's merkel i think i'd come convolve can solve this problem even if you make deals with him on them. about his reform plans and so on and on this is just a small portion of what needs to happen in your own but your same old what can be done i think a new leader a new face a fresh face can say create a positive message i in germany i think they they don't really have much trust in the power of the message but she proved in hamburg being elected c.d.u. leader the power of the political speech she got people behind them she motivated people and she and her entire speech was very cleverly constructed around the word moved courage so she could take that and build rebuild the c.d.u.
but take us to the european stage and say i'm a new face i believe momentum i believe that the european union of twenty seven has a future and i believe in this project and i'm not going to lead the debate to be hijacked by populist because the populist they're a tiny proportion they're the non populists are the majority in europe and they're at the considerable majority and i think the european german leaders are always damned if they do a number they don't know that if germany tries to suggest something everyone else will say oh does germany we're not going to be bullied by germany but you don't need to come up in a sort of project but to give a signal this is what you're was prepared to do because in the euro crisis all we've heard is what germany isn't prepared to do and i'm slightly worried that the european debate in germany has been slightly poisoned by all they just want to get into art they just want to pick our pockets what's this going to cost germany germany is still a fundamentally european country but they haven't been you know almost the need to renew their vows and just rhetorical bring in bring a bit of courage in there let's see what this new face as you put it what's behind
this new face and whether in fact she is the leader who can help germany to read you its vows let's take a look. state prime minister c.d.u. general secretary and now the seaview party leader. on a great crowd power and power has had a remarkable career she's considered a political moderate and a team player. and she was on the americans preferred candidate. but she is by no means a miracle clone. she comes from western germany americal comes from. she's catholic merkel is protestant. and she has three children america has not. compound our differs with america on several points of policy
a party leader favors a tougher stand on immigration. she's opposed to same sex marriage and is considering reintroducing military conscription she says germany should take a harder line with russia. will monograph prompt current power managed to set a new course for the c.d.u. . let's go you quinn uncle americal took power she was sometimes referred to as coles girl because in fact the chance to have a cold had been her mentor is under great come about anything more than magical reloaded is she really going to take her party and potentially the country in a different direction well that's what she promised to do she said i'm not a mini me. and i actually she's proved that she is a solid politician and the woman of our own i mean she's directed she's a she's been leading this all of these little states.
bordeaux for a long time she was minister she was she has a wrong idea she's doing to come. paying for the election is a president of that city you she says she's also showing that her ideas do diverged quite considerably from the ideas of ongoing america on the on the the migrant is you sort of. so truly issues like the marriage the gay marriage and abortion i mean she's not she's a she's got to prove it now and that's going to be very important to not to separate to cut the the chords to get american and to show that she's she can stand on her own feet which i think everybody who has observed her in the last years knows she can one of the spectre's that has been hanging over the conservatives here in germany now to laming has been the rise of the far right party the a.f.d. uncle the medical was sometimes criticized from within her own party for taking the
c.d.u. too far toward the political center and alienating voters on the right leaving them free essentially to go to this further right party would you expect a great crime current power to take the conservatives back toward a more conservative part of the party spectrum expect if it's minimal portions i would be glad i think that if he will get between ten and fifteen percent of the vote in the east much more but that's the everetts between ten and fifteen percent i don't see any party leader in germany in the city who if it's likely i think they come come before you and spawn these but the three candidates to really get them back into the boat because it will split them apart but to really hold those voters back into the cold war we have been back and back in the conservative big tanks. first thing was european policy you could not compromise about european integration in the city you but the f.t. were against european integration and the second were the refugee crisis so i can
see how the fact in substance and the political leader of the city who could. bring them back into the boat decks go you recently described in an article that kind of counted out as a quote risk taker and deal maker are we then looking at a real change in leadership style compared to two chancellor merkel and if so where would you see those characteristics coming into play i think them fascinating but i'm glad marcus she spoke when she was a child as a girl in school she would spend the entire swimming lesson standing on the edge of the diving board and literally at the last moment to finally dive into it she'd screw up her courage and jump in and she did exactly the same thing by giving up the c.d.u. leadership she waited for the last possible moment you do with dignity and she did a loop in the air and into the water and got a ten minute standing ovation that's a risk taking but it was at the very last moment that's one kind of risk taking i think on a bit come camo has said we need to be faster we need to be more courageous we need
to bring people with us you know sooner rather than later i mean merkel frustration many people she joked about it at the party conference you drove people her own stuff crazy she couldn't even come up with the slogan for the party conference until a few days beforehand you know she ruled the country this way pasta you know i mean making a decision she wanted to see everything every risk she had to weigh everything up and that's that's odd mobile but for come commerce that we just need to be faster we kind of keep people waiting like for us the biggest risk you'd want to see her take right now and what's the biggest deal you'd want to see her make at home i would be very interested in seeing if she can cut she can cut some slack for the various wings of the party america she brought the party to the center but many people would say she neglected the right and she did for many people the unforgivably she allowed a party to move in on the far right and on people have always said that is the golden rule of german politics do not let anything come up on the far right it'll be interesting to see whether she chooses to be the person to bring back in these conserve or at least make them an offer or whether she will enable somebody
somebody who has a conservative profile to do that and she'll say we're going to fight in public but you have my blessing to do this because we need to be more inclusive as a. r.t. i think that hasn't happened enough in the last year or so she manages to do that that would be quite something that the cd becomes a catch all party again also for annoyed to devote to a go the the furious people because there are a lot of them at the party conference i've been asking myself and i wonder if you feel this way as well what it means that the conservatives have chosen a woman for the second time to lead their party and whether that wouldn't seem to go in a different direction from the idea that they're returning to sort of their conservative roots and base i mean it's unfortunate that we have to ask ourselves this question is and it's now a days. it shows that the c.d.u. has become. has has the money to to modernize these party i mean remember when he was elected it was a sensation the woman for the first time and from the east that was also something
we mustn't forget with and forget that she came from the east which at the time was also incredible. yeah it's very it's i don't know what to say about that it's just very sad and we should take it there's something very normal and she can be in she's a woman but she'll have another political side she might she will have other political ideas you put. stress another direction. but it shows that german politics have accepted that women can be in power and that's in these very conservative quite packed trackable country quite an event what happened to the white old club. seems. very alive and well in the a.f.d. to sort of degree but let me ask you this month. a great country come canberra announced that as party leader her first actions would be focused on migration and security but to be honest isn't the debate on migration that has absolutely split
her party split the conservatives is it very much about the past rather than the present many people say germany doesn't have a migration crisis. at the moment so what exactly is it that you would expect her to change and does she have the room to maneuver to do it she's governing in a grand coalition after all and she governs all in this tiny little state. and made some some quite i would say spectacular but different policies towards migrants or refugees then in berlin for example miners the miners have to go through in d.n.a. check to see how old they are if they are really minors or not so she was quite stricter in the refugee policy than the rest of. the country the states so there is a different tone and i would agree that there is no no refugee crisis in germany but we have huge huge integration crisis we have integrated i mean one point two
a one point four million refugees since the fall of two thousand and fifteen came into this country and it's still a huge huge test to be solved speaking of those deep divisions that were provoked by the debate on migration let's take a look at the other contenders for the party leadership and what that tells us about the current political mood here in germany. so it's going to this was the moment of defeat for the comic con preview who represents the pro-business and conservative wing of the party was defeated in the second round of voting. for the people of germany expect the government to exercise control over our borders and over the people who come here over the past few years we have not done this for. another candidate yan's the current health minister opposes chancellor merkel's refugee policy and again takes
a conservative stand on many issues. i want to see a germany that is modern and open minded and shows respect for traditional values homeland and family. received news new general secretary as paul. a former leader of the c.d.u. c.s.u. youth organization. will these new people at the top finally manage to resolve the deep divisions within the c.d.u. . much of i mean former chancellor gerhard schroeder says the c.d.u. made a mistake and they should have chosen freedom matts the corporate lawyer who was a major contender would you agree with that who would you have wanted to see win this position. i would say the division in between the city who is not division and substance a sort of division and personal like yes there are parts of it that likely if they
smell small than they come up but what is the real difference in substance i can see that any one of these two would change the face of the party in substance they would still be a pro european pod the you have to solve the refugee crisis and so on and so on so the basics will still be intact maybe feet the mets will have been one of these guys. so. made millionaire image and so on and so on that will have pleased a certain part of the party that know in that say it is disappointed in the composer but i would expect the disappointment to to to fade away in some weeks or months from there get the time of her election under great cronkite and our talked about the c.d.u. being one of the quote last unicorns in europe because it's a big tent mass party regularly gets up to thirty percent of the vote or more
certainly it's looking good in the polls right now but is that just a temporary bump do you think if this is the question i mean people in germany tend to forget it's a really rough world out there the political world has changed sometimes i think we're in a little stability bubble here in germany they bounce back from the crisis quickly what's happening in france what's happening in the u.k. the world has changed the rhetoric has changed political stylus changed and there are a lot of political bruisers out there and i know many people friends of mine who really wanted to see for the merits when their city members because they said who do you think will be able to roll with the punches in the oval office better. qanbar you saw what happened to nancy pelosi i mean donald trump has a trouble with women leaders generally and pretty mats might have been able to give as good as he got so i think some people would always wonder what might have been that he is rhetorical as strong he knows the corporate world and i perhaps donald trump the donald trump of this world would have more respect for the type of self-made man as well enough perhaps could have been good for germany but who knows we'll never quite know how that would have worked at tesco your own country's
political system has seen significant fragmentation over the past ten years or so would you say germany too is heading in that direction and i have in mind a quote from the new york times that was written at the time of this party conference of the c.d.u. they wrote merkel's looming retirement marks a deepening crisis of the german political system that threatens not just the future of the country but of the european union the. you see that kind of fragmentation here and does it have that sort of very dire potential for europe well yes the fragmentation has happened with the birth of the i have to say i mean who of the rest of the populist party who would have expected for ten years that the populace in germany would have such a big success i mean it was the the only an enclave in europe the only country because of its past because of its economic success is which didn't have a property spotty now they have one and he threatening the agenda and and of all
the other of all the other parties and i think for europe it's it's bad news because we've been used to a very strong germany you know it was a rock in the ocean which was completely wrong and. fragile germany is not good news for europe and france has been waiting the other european countries have been waiting for germany to take this season's to be full of energy again to be on board and they've been we've been waiting for two years now so the fragmentation of german politics is no not good for europe let me take us back to the woman whom the great crown current power is succeeding as party leader and potentially as chancellor and derek scally mention it at the outset the fact that this is an orderly and smooth transition party leaders often do not leave they are toppled that didn't happen here i'm going back and they have waited but in fact
she has handed over the leadership in an orderly fashion let's hear what she had to say as she did so. yet this is on that site and now the time has come for us to begin a new chapter in his eyepiece moment i am filled with one emotion in particular and that is gratitude funny because. it was a great pleasure for me to serve and it was an honor thank you very much. and as what if you mention she got nearly ten minutes of applause following that statement so question to all of you requests for a brief answer if you would will undergo medical really continue in office as chancellor until the end of her term just going to go around the circle tesco or that stays in this stuff she has more chances was on the plates come come almost two to get to twenty to twenty one as with inflation mats who would probably have
prepared at some point some kind of push against her. must at some time said to be a risk to separate the party leadership and the chancellorship do you think that's the case here it's not so much of a risk because even though they are not alike and he did come out carbo's definite got a clone of medical but they both have you they get along with each other very well so i expect her to stay in power to transfer until twenty one i wouldn't be so sure i know many people in her inner circle who say she's a woman of her own or she promised voters last year i will serve full term but i think of i'm going to come cars says to her look your tired of the party is on the onesie if i can provide an honorable way for you to go i need to cut the umbilical cord and nothing personal perhaps after the european elections or at the end of this year if the part if she can go back to find american go back to the party and say well i want to serve full term but you've chosen otherwise i can go and she can go ahead all right i think she will take that option and back to our title our
title is essentially asking the question will on a great crime combo or be the next german chancellor i mean ask it with a slightly different turn does she have what it takes to win new german leadership . in the meaningful ways that all of you mention pesca she says she has since she says that you can't pretend to be president of the party if you don't want and if you don't feel that you have the guts and the ability to be chancellor so let's believe the next chancellor i think you also have a she will be the next transfer and she i think she will be able to you know she will be the first term politician to go to the top but i'm being underestimated that's what she's proving so far why shouldn't i continue to pick the lesser of the love of non charismatic politician but thank you very much all of you for being with us here on the program and thanks to all of you for turning in and wish you happy holidays see you in the new year.
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a strong contender conservative corporate lawyer free press maps but despite being on gloom ackles favorite she faces the tough task of uniting a divided party and heightening her own political profile to many voters she's an unknown quantity and important european and state elections are in the offing does and a great crime qanbar have what it will take not only to do that but also to succeed her mentor angle america as chancellor that's the question we pose on this week's fredricka here are guests it's a pleasure to welcome you back to the program she's a correspondent for the french magazine live class and she says i doubt that the new team in berlin will deliver a huge boost for europe and very glad to have derek scally with us once again he's a correspondent for the irish times and he says. i believe a k.k. will have to make clear to him. americal and soon who is chef and who is waitress
in their relationship and reestablish germany as a source of ideas and momentum for european integration and finally it's a pleasure to greet multi-lane he works for the daily journal death tug and he says k.k. is a conservative catholic a european she fought successful elections has governing experience and knows her own party well she could definitely be the next chancellor and most of them in let me start with you and ask you quite simply why should the world care about a change in the leadership of germany's conservative party a skeptical viewer might say this is just internal party politics. the city who is is is the strongest most powerful german party in germany i would say it is by and large the fault biggest saw economy in the world in the strong powerhouse in germany so why should they care they have to care who would be the next censor and by any chance the next transfer is the new party leader of the c.d.u.
so the the odds are high that they come pomp i will be possibly the new transfer what that means we're going to come back to later on in the program dr scully certainly our colleagues care eighteen hundred international journalists were registered for that party conference at which and a great crown can be our was confirmed as party leader i think just in their political bubble here in berlin or is this in fact an event of great momentum yes no i was in hamburg it was quite the bottom five not everyone could get into the main hall no i think this shows what people in germany don't often realize is how much attention germany now gets it started during the euro crisis it's been building germany has become indispensable part of the european puzzle it always was but i think what i'm going america with her slow deliberate style trying to bring people along it just made clear that we're even you can't get a deal through without germany and i think that makes people here slightly nervous when they realize that if one is watching but you saw it in hamburg everyone
expects ivan has huge expectations and there's been a lot of you know have come ka-bar talk but eleven period on the farm act and we need new ideas we need new momentum and the rest of europe is watching that may make certain germs nervous but i think they just need to grow up and realize germany is a big power they must be comfortable with leading bush to at least leading by example and coming up with some new ideas for europe you are opening statement said you don't think this new team is going to deliver a big boost for europe to the fact is that a lot of people in france have been looking toward this coalition government for real movement on some of the reform proposals that president. france has made and they haven't gotten an answer until now and now i'm a great come con bauer is from a western state of germany very close to the french border at times it's even been part of france in past history do you not think she is going to act in a way instinctively pro european i think she's definitely pro european i mean she
as you said she has been in this the president in this region which is just opposite as us and loathing him she speaks perfect friend she has had a very very pro european policy in posing for example that in schools you learn french the language of the of the of the neighbor how program is very pro european i think he thinks it's not so much a problem of her personality and our politics it's the problem that it's too late i mean we're going to have a european election may imagine mccourt has been waiting for eighteen months to get a move and and so from germany and now this window which had been opened by the arrival of the pro european in france has closed i think it's too late would you both agree with that you both mentioned european integration in your opening statements as a potential plus on i'm going i was talk about europe the solution is right now
only a small part of it lies in berlin and germany if we talk about europe we are watching the bricks the tears of revulsion the problems of among them michel we are watching italy's government consisting of left wing inviting populist parties. east european countries very nationalistic scandinavian countries facing right wing populism as well so europe itself is in a very very bad condition and i don't see how any chancellor of germany if it's merkel i think i'd come convolve can solve this problem even if you make deals with him on them. about his reform plans and silence on this is just a small portion of what needs to help and your own but your same old what can be done i think a new leader new face a fresh face can say create a positive message i know in germany i think they they don't really have much trust in the power of the message but she proved in hamburg being elected c.d.u. leader the power of the political speech she got people behind she motivated people
and she her entire speech was very cleverly constructed around the word moved courage so she could take that and build rebuild the c.d.u. but take us to the european stage and say i'm a new face i believe momentum i believe that the european union of twenty seven has a future and i believe in this project and i'm not going to lead the debate to be hijacked by populist because the populist they're a tiny proportion they're the non populists are the majority in europe and they're at the considerable majority and i think the european german leaders are always down if they do not if they don't you know that if germany tries to suggest something everyone else will say oh does germany we're not going to be bullied by germany but you don't need to come up in a certain project but to give a signal is what you're was prepared to do because in the euro crisis all we've heard is what germany isn't prepared to do and i'm slightly worried that the european debate in germany has been slightly poisoned by all they just want to get into art they just want to pick our pockets what's this going to cost germany germany is still a fundamentally european country but they haven't been you know almost the need to renew their vows and just rhetorical bring bring
a bit of courage in there let's see what this new face as you put it what's behind this new face and whether in fact she is the leader who can help germany to read you its vows let's take a look. stay prime minister c.d.u. general secretary and now the c.d.u. party leader. on a great problem current power has had a remarkable career she's considered a political moderate and a team player. that. she was on the americans preferred candidate. but she is by no means american clone. she comes from western germany americal comes from. she's catholic america was protestant. and she has three children america has.
cropped power and power differs with america warm several points of policy new party leader favors a tougher stand on immigration. she's opposed to same sex marriage and is considering reintroducing military conscription she says germany should take a harder line with russia. will on a grand cross current power managed to set a new course for the c.d.u. . let's go it quinn uncle americal took power she was sometimes referred to as coles girl because in fact the chance to have a call had been her mentor is under great come about anything more than merkel reloaded is she really going to take her party and potentially the country in a different direction where that's what she promised to do she said i'm not a mini me no and so mum and i actually she's proved that she is
a solid politician and the woman of our own i mean she's directed she's a she's been leading this all of these little states. at the border for a long time she was minister she was she has a role in the idea she's doing to come. paying for the election is a president of the seaview she says she's also showing that her ideas do diverged quite comes to bring forth the ideas of young america on the on the migrant is you sort of so truly says like the marriage the gay marriage and abortion i mean she's not she's she's got to prove it now and that's going to be very important to know to separate to cut the cord to get america and to show that she's she can stand on her own feet which i think everybody who has observed her in the last years knows she can one of the spectre's that has been hanging over the conservatives here in germany about a looming has been the rise of the far right party the a.f.d.
uncle the medical was sometimes criticized from within her own party for taking the c.d.u. too far toward the political center and alienating voters on the right leaving them free essentially to go to this further right party would you expect a great crime current power to take the conservatives back toward a more conservative part of the party spectrum expect if it's minimal portions i would be glad i think that if he will get between ten and fifteen percent of the vote in the east much more but that's the average between ten and fifteen percent i don't see any party leader in germany in the city who if it's likely meth and if they come combo you spawn these were the three candidates to really get them back into the boat because it will split them apart but to really hold those voters back into the cold air we have been back and back in the conservative big tanks. first thing was european policy you could not compromise about european integration in
the city you but the f.t. were against european integration and the second were the refugee crisis so i can see how the fact in substance and the political leader of the city you. bring them back into the boat deck scully you recently described in an article on the good kind of combat as a quote risk taker and deal maker are we then looking at a real change in leadership style compared to two chancellor merkel and if so where would you see those characteristics coming into play i think the fascinating but i know america she spoke when she was a child as a girl in school she would spend the entire swimming lesson standing on the edge of the diving board and literally at the last moment to finally dive into she screwed up her courage and jump in and she did exactly the same thing by giving up the c.d.u. leadership she waited for the last possible moment you do with dignity and she did a loop in the air and into the water and got a ten minute standing ovation that's risk taking but it was at the very last moment
that's one kind of risk taking i think i have come camo has said we need to be faster we need to be more courageous we need to bring people with us you know sooner rather than later i mean merkel frustration many people she joked about it at the party conference she drove people her own stuff crazy she couldn't even come up with a slogan for the party conference until a few days beforehand you know she ruled the country this way pasta you know i mean making a decision she wanted to see everything every risk she had to weigh everything up and that's that's the trouble but for a come commerce that we just need to be faster we kind of keep people waiting like for us the biggest risk you'd want to see her take right now and what's the biggest deal you'd want to see her make rel at home i would be very interested in seeing if she can cut she can cut some slack for the various wings of the party america she brought the party to the center but many people would say she neglected the right and she did for many people the unforgivably she allowed a party to move in on the far right and and people have always said that is the golden rule of german politics do not let anything come up on the far right and
it'll be interesting to see whether she chooses to be the person to bring back in these conserve or at least make them an offer or whether she will enable somebody somebody who has a conservative profile to do that and she'll say well we're going to fight in public but you have my blessing to do this because we need to be more inclusive as a. r.t. i think that hasn't happened enough in the last year or so she manages to do that that would be quite something other than the seedy becomes a catch all party again also for annoyed to divert the furious people because there are a lot of them at the party conference i've been asking myself and i wonder if you feel this way as well what it means that the conservatives have chosen a woman for the second time to lead their party and whether that wouldn't seem to go in a different direction from the idea that they're returning to sort of their conservative roots and base i mean it's unfortunate that we have to ask ourselves this question is and it's now a days. it shows that the seaview has become. has has the money tried to modernize
these party i mean you remember when he was elected it was a sensation the woman for the first time and from the east that was also something we mustn't forget with and forget that she came from the east which at the time was also incredible. yeah it's very it's i don't know what to say about that it's just very sad and we should take it there's something very normal and she can be in she's a woman but she'll have another political side she might she will have other political ideas you put. stress another direction. but it shows that german politics have accepted that women can be in power and that's in these very conservative quite packed trackable country quite an event what happened to the old club. seems. very alive and well in the a.f.d. to sort of degree but let me ask you this multi laming great country. announced that as party leader her first actions would be focused on migration and security
but to be honest isn't the debate on migration that has absolutely split her party split the conservatives is it very much about the past rather than the present many people say germany doesn't have a migration crisis. at the moment so what exactly is it that you would expect her to change and does she have the room to maneuver to do it she's governing in a grand coalition after all and she govern as all in this tiny little state and made some some quite i would say spectacular but different policies towards migrans or refugees then in berlin for example miners that miners have to go through in d.n.a. check to see how old they are if they are really minors or not so as she was quite stricter in the refugee policy than the rest of. the country the states so there is a different tone and i would agree that there is no no refugee crisis in germany
but we have huge huge integration crisis we have integrated i mean one point two a one point four million refugees since the fall of two thousand and fifteen came into this country and it's still a huge huge test to be solved speaking of those deep divisions that were provoked by the debate on migration let's take a look at the other contenders for the party leadership and what that tells us about the current political mood here in germany. kurtz is going to fire you for this was the moment of defeat when i wanted to come come on in here who represents the pro-business and conservative wing of the party was defeated in the second round of voting. for the people of germany expect the government to exercise control over our borders and over the people who come here over the past few years we have not done this for. another candidate. the current health
minister opposes chancellor merkel's refugee policy and takes a conservative stand on many issues. i want to see a germany that is modern and open minded and shows respect for traditional values homeland and family. received news new general secretary as powell. a former leader of the c.d.u. c.s.u. youth organization. will these new people at the top finally manage to resolve the deep divisions within the city do you. want to make former chancellor gerhard schroeder says the city you made a mistake and they should have chosen freedom matts the corporate lawyer who was a major contender would you agree with that who would you if wanted to see with just. i would say the division in between the city who is not division in substance
it's more a division and personal likings there are parts of it that like things they smell small than they come but what is the real difference in substance i can see that any one of these two would change the face of the party in substance they would still be a pro european the you have to solve the refugee crisis and so on and so on so the basics will still be intact maybe feet the mets will have been one of these guys. so. leave millionaire image and so on and so on that will have pleased a certain part of the party that no in that say it is disappointed on the composer but but i would expect the disappointment to to to fade away in some weeks or months from there to the time of her election on a great drum convo or talked about the c.d.u. being one of the quote last unicorns in europe because it's
a big tent mass party regularly gets up to thirty percent of the vote or more certainly it's looking good in the polls right now but is that just a temporary bump do you think you have this is the question i mean people in germany tend to forget it's a really rough world out there the political world has changed sometimes i think we're in a little stability bubble here in germany they bounce back from the crisis quickly what's happening in france what's happening in the u.k. the world has changed the rhetoric has changed political stylus changed and there are a lot of political bruisers out there and i know many people friends of mine who really wanted to see for the merits when their city members because they said who do you think will be able to roll with the punches in the oval office better. you saw what happened to nancy pelosi i mean donald trump has a trouble with women leaders generally and i have heard from earth might have been able to give as good as he got so i think some people will always wonder what might have been that he has rhetorical strong he knows the corporate world and that perhaps donald trump the donald trump of this world would have more respect for the
type of self-made man as well and not perhaps could have been good for germany but who knows we'll never quite know how that would have worked at. your own country's political system has seen significant fragmentation over the past ten years or so would you say germany too is heading in that direction and i have in mind a quote from the new york times that was written at the time of this party conference of the c.d.u. they wrote merkel's looming retirement marks a deepening crisis of the german political system that threatens not just the future of the country but of the european union the. you see that kind of fragmentation here and does it have that sort of very dire potential for europe well yes the fragmentation has happened with the birth of the i have to say i mean who of the rest of the populist party who would have expected for ten years that the populist in germany would have such a big success i mean it was the the only an enclave in europe the only country because of its past because of its economic success is which didn't have
a popular spot you know they have one and the threatening the agenda and and of all the other all the other parties and i think for europe it's it's bad news because we've been used to a very strong germany you know it was the rock in the in the ocean which was completely wrong and and fragile germany is not good news for europe and france has been waiting the other european countries have been waiting for germany to take this issue to be full of energy again to be on board and they've been we've been waiting for two years now so the fragmentation of german politics is no not good for europe let me take us back to the woman whom the great crown current power is succeeding as party leader and potentially as chancellor and derek scully mention it at the outset the fact that this is an
orderly and smooth transition party leaders often do not leave they are toppled that didn't happen here i'm going back and they have waited but in fact she has handed over the leadership in an orderly fashion let's hear what she had to say as she did so. well yes this is on that site and now the time has come for us to begin a new chapter in his eye piece moment i am filled with one emotion in particular and that is gratitude funny because. it was a great pleasure for me to serve and it was an honor thank you very much. that is what if you mention she got nearly ten minutes of applause following that statement so question to all of you requests for a brief answer if you would will undergo medical really continue in office as chancellor until the end of her term just going to go around the circle pascoe or
that stays in the stuff she has more chances was on the plates come come almost two to get to twenty to twenty one as with inflation mats who would probably have prepared. some kind of push against her. must at some time said to be a risk to separate the party leadership and the chancellorship do you think that's the case here it's not so much of a risk because even though they are not alike and they could come carbo's definite got a clone of medical but they both have it they they get along with each other very well so i expect her to stay in power switch answer until twenty well i wouldn't be so sure i know many people in her inner circle who say she's a woman of her honor she promised voters last year i will serve full term but i think i'm going to come cars says to her look your tires the party is on on easy if i can provide an honorable way for you to go i need to cut the umbilical cord under nothing personal perhaps after the european elections or at the end of this year if the part if she can go back to find american go back to the party and say well i
want to serve full term but you've chosen otherwise i can go and she can go ahead all right i think she will take that option and back to our title our title is essentially asking the question will on a great crime convo or be the next german chancellor i mean ask it with a slightly different turn does she have what it takes to really do german leadership. in the meaningful ways that all of you have mentioned pascoe she says she has seen she says that you can't pretend to be president of the party if you don't want and if you don't feel that you have the guts and the ability to be chancellor so that's pretty tough next chancellor i think you all saw that she will be the next transfer and she i think she will be able to you know she won't be the first term politician to go to the top but i've been underestimated that's what she's proving so far why shouldn't i continue to filter of the love of non charismatic politician this look at that but thank you very much all of you for being with us here on the program and thanks to all of you for tuning in and wish
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show you the truest highlights in grant park. and bet you can also dine here like the people did at the time a fun time. hour of your video this week shows us the sights of belfast in northern ireland. fun time there as a traffic lights you'll only find bad in local people to hold off on thomas birthplace after a fire in $787.00 the center of the city was rebuilt in the classicist style with white streets in church squares and i'm meeting up with. she heads the fontana festival here and has become an expert on the writer's life. and. here we are really at the beginning of the history of théodore funtown
is a man with noir. his parents moved here at easter in 1900 and on december 30th théodore from tunnel was born up there on the 1st floor of this house. on the 1st front on the tried his hand as a pharmacist in berlin then he became a journalist a correspondent in london a theater critic and travel writer it was only when he was nearly 60 that he began writing his great novels. and. she has a nice building. that was the old secondary school among the many people who attended it were our théodore fontana as well as the architect karl thing to show. that actually of the stuff was it clear in his school days that he would be a writer. he himself wrote that he wasn't
a very good student. how did the become a writer if things didn't go well in school at least and the so on that i think a lot of it came from his father not necessarily the ability to write but to develop stories and i thought to pick up anecdotes and turn a mental new thing is that is a good luck i'm from town i like that about his father i was something of a playboy. he felt that from time to didn't really need to go to school but could learn things from the books and stories of other people. a lawyer a couple of great father. bless you my height he holds said phone taught me about his frequent absences from school and later in life as a travel writer he often returned to know who would be. the preacher's widow's home what's believed to fontana sometimes what else at one time
his mother and his sister lived here for some time during that time funtown often came to north of pain to write about his rambles through brandenburg. or to others and he often got his sister and lisa to do research for him to consult people to go into churches and look through the registry books looking for people or to go to religious and describe even the sketch them. all of those things flowed into from tom his book reading of the of the 2 of them had a really great relationship. i hate this. and in his rambles through brendan burke from time to also wrote critically of his birthplace saying it was a bit lavish for such a small town but he did say it was beautiful he situated on the lake you know and and and and how did from tom his childhood here in mobile being shaped him. i
think much sean does from time i think that the wide open spaces here on the lake and forest landscapes gave him a certain sense of home. through here and make it happen that's about an author also goes up and that was the trigger for him to start writing not about other regions but the one he came from. and which he came to love so much that later in life he wrote 5 books about it all that escape. before i keep following my fun time route there are a few tips for you what else does brant burke have to offer especially now in the summer many tourists come here to the most watery state in germany. brandenburg has around 3000 lakes more than any other state in germany and the water quality measured at the lake shore beaches is generally excellent the south
the water's clean it's great swimming here sun sand what else. and then there are 33000 kilometers of flowing waters be navigators can traverse them to their heart's content a popular pastime is renting a houseboat the toll of family comes from dresden this is the 1st time travelling and brenda bruce waterways. is about this water is unique back home in saxony we also have small lakes but this rambling on the water spending a week hopping from lake to lake i don't think you can get that anywhere else. in the burbs abundance of water makes it a popular vacation spot since 1902 the annual number of overnight stays has nearly tripled from 4.6 to 13500000. you get the common repub visitors mainly come from berlin brandenburg sex in the north rhine-westphalia yes you can say that 90 percent of the overnight stays are from germany and inland but last
year we had around a 1000000 foreign guests and your. friends would guess that. one of the top destinations is the state capitol pottstown with its reconstructed city palace seat of the state parliament. if it looks amazing. and i'm a big fan of the rock and old saying i love coming to see it. not so much i got a. chance to see as perhaps part some as most famous palace but the person kings built many magnificent ones here. the city was a royal residence in the 18th and 19th centuries. nowadays potts terms of keisha surrounded by lakes close to berlin has attracted
many wealthy residents. zeal ake is lined with the jews homes. in the past few years the brandenburg capital is become one of the most desirable and expensive cities in germany. its 180000 residents include many young people plus the most free universities and more than 30 research institutes. put some as i get some it's really a small big city i like that that's being called much that's probably why so many people come or move here especially berliners because they appreciate that although we're smaller we have everything. in local pin you can also meet the city's most famous son in the museum.
is one of the curators of an exhibition marking funtime his 200th birthday. the one in. this room has something really special. people yeah when there aren't very many remaining objects from front which is why the no routine museum is very proud to have this clock. it's the fun town of families grandfather clock. it's really old it dates from 790 and the family owned it until 940 and kind of that it's nice to imagine that it not only stood in front on a study but that he wrote to the rhythm of this clock and you can kind of hear that . with him but he so i'm hearing more from time to heard the if you're hearing what went on heard. and there is also installation about one thomas most famous novel if you policed. it's
a lot of material can you explain what it's all about. i and it's very simple this is the network of characters in the novel if you greased. half we've put the main figures from the novel in this room. here this is effie that's her husband. here is the man who's to do says her major compass and we've linked the characters with the pink text ribbon it's been with and why all these words on the floor that think the horrific those are the main knowns in f.a. priest we have them counted from a for or evening to have fun easy for to which means tenderness please try it on and what do you think the words are different sizes. on this from the bigger they are the more often they appear you know that's right wasn't in there look at the pink words what do you see there. they're very long. exactly that's the 1st thing you notice there are the normal words and then there
are these very long pink words they are the fun time to sound so to speak these are front on his own creations along compound now us. when he couldn't find a word to describe a situation or a feeling then he created one himself. so you get a creation such as coziness ranking neuralgia comedy morris root heir i wind pouring stunt. are any of them still used today. do you have a favorite word created by fontana. the fort has prejudiced foolishnesses one in winter acquaintance we asked ourselves for a long time what a winter acquaintance might be and we've ended up with 5 different definitions. of which is the most convincing evidence either making the acquaintance of winter lots of people picked that like seeing snow for the 1st time or the winter acquaintances
someone who always keeps a distant was aloof or a nefarious christmas with an affair or an affair at christmas time that's popular too or that or it's someone you do wintertime things with like sledding or ice skating. or winter time friends who you don't want to see in the summertime winter acquaintance. but let's move on the departure moment this year. from tom there was an attentive observer as a traveler and that's why we also find him in his work about what he ate on his travels well and that's an inspiration for chefs today to rediscover from tanya cooley merrily. baker karl moore plants in shanta on the hafele river got his inspiration from a poem by taylor a fun time. on a summer morning to take up field walking stick all your cast will follow way from
you like morning haze that was the origin of the walking stick they gave me the idea of making but gets in a fog of walking sticks. the bakery is one of 13 businesses that have taken up front on his color terry legacy restaurateur henry engle is one of the initiators he figured that the people who come here on the trail of fun time know will also want to eat something. else 1st that was just a fun idea we don't know if we want to develop nuclear we don't want to just cook the same menu for 3 or 4 years and this. it's a nice challenge to market it gave us a chance to come up with something new lawson's most lawyers. in his restaurant here can hope ngo offers a 3 course meal based on the real art of wild boar it's certainly in tune with fun town as well known model craft fortunes are not for me. the artist casino and also has fountain on the menu the main courses feature freshwater fish trout and pike no surprise to find
a ton of fans after all the writers last completed novel was named after lakes fish lean. in potatoes here lightly tossed in butter have been a staple since frederick the great introduce them. the fish served on a bed of root vegetables this is truly regional cuisine. but all this for fun time to describes in his walk through brum going to is my religion my home mission and if you want to experience one ton of not only the literal way but a corner in one when you look at the recipes that his grandmother fredricka shalott a fun town around town and all the cakes he likes you see that he was a bit of a glutton so it's quite cute the way he was always nibbling on things we're going to. force the font on a menu includes dessert it's called bread pudding a spice cake made according to fun time his grandmother's recipe answer it was pear poached in red wine.
funtown a sister published their grandmother's recipes as a book in 1003 the meal ends with the dishes. that are 4th course the chestnuts look you're. down without fear but we've learned a lot about it often town and his life not only about what he ate but what he drank and we found that he always liked the schnapps or the curator a meal even after his coffee. so it's nice that we conserved. this was aware 4th course of the fun time the menu to ground it all off. an ideal of a village church simple inviting nicely situated fun talking a road that about the church. here he began in 859 with his rambling through brandenburg no village was too small for him no way to farm. this house was
built later but it's already over 100 years old now it houses a good fairy with an exhibition of children's paintings of course there topic was fun tanya. it is interesting that fontana was also curious about the most conspicuous places. as a journalist from time to was also traveling to other countries in europe for example to england or to scotland and we're also travelling right now but it's going to northern ireland to visit chrissie greenway and our mother local thought chrissie is going to show us her hometown belfast. hi everyone i'm christiane of the great pleasure of. today.
i love belfast the player of the city the hustle and bustle the mix of all the new a magnet for artists and musicians and it's written diverse history. so 1st of all i want to introduce this in the cathedral quarter so it's not just the oldest part about it's also one of the ninety's parts about us it's a beautiful cobblestone of some of the most amazing bars near. just come into the duke of york it's one of the oldest pubs in belfast it's back to the hundreds of lots of bars in belfast but this is definitely one of my favorites of. the. old bottles merz so it's a real iconic bar and the start of a really good start. has
a population of roughly $400000.00 but considering the size of the study we have a really impressive civic building a beautiful city hall which at the same time is also the home of our lord mare. and. and. the next stop is our people titanic museum so it's a symbol of our industrial heritage but it's also a memorial for the many lies that were lost at sea and the reason the titanic was built here. at the turn of the 20th century was the largest and fastest growing industrial city and the british empire. so we're looking out of time that we had a sort of a hotel on board of a ship. and. this is more like i would have travelled left and 12 3rd class cabin so
a lot of the irish emigrants would have only had money to afford a small bed like this. you'll always be reminded of our. muse one of the last remaining peace signs peace signs that we once had all across northern ireland used to separate the protestant from the catholic community and they are they it's really become a remnant of the symbol of what used to be as you can see we've a lot. of those organized projects for both the communities where they come. i gather in just part of the piece and the project. you can see people sign the wall and leave their messages while wishes not just for northern ireland but also for peace all around the war.
you can come to belfast without experiencing one of our many traditional music. so what a great way to end our day and i hope you have much fun as i did until next time slot on. the next stop on my journey through brandenburg in the footsteps of fun time that is kind spoke. to a few of the pellets here made a deep impression on the writer he wrote before us we have a picture of on judicial beauty the smooth surface of the water line by
a wreath of reeds and finally the palace itself in the distance. a gift from his father frederick the great rebuilt the palace and the rococo style and extended. the showpiece is the hall of mirrors. with of what was this room for that's for here for this was frederick the great ceremonial and concert hall he wanted to have big festivities and he wanted to give concerts here fredricka. as a passionate flute planned he wanted to play here for any manage to do so ones because the room was finished so late. but in that tradition we put on small concerts here and there mainly chamber music concerts with a photo piano for example small concerts with space for up to $100.00 people at the time he was thrown out as one that's. right spec palace is considered the model for a song to see colors which frederick later build in potsdam peak in where he
resided expression king. looks gorgeous yes it was fredrickson private study when he lived here in rhine spankers crown prince with it as one of the 1st rooms he moved in to have 2 days later he wrote his 1st letter to voltaire than ever before but have passed by the way from time the did not have as much luck during his visit to inspect as i did the old fellows warden was taking a long nap only on the 2nd attempt did he open the door for fun toddy time for our weekly v mail as you know we like to show videos that you have made on your travels and this week we join me get so to love from madrid on a tour with a chance siberian railway i really would like to do that too from moscow to bottle .
the last stop on my trip through the brandenburg described by total from tonga leads me to the north of the state to lake city hien it is the deepest lake in brandenburg almost 70 meters and it's one of the cleanest as well. brenton berkus the most watery state in germany so i just have to go swimming in. the back of the box to. get me. to hold off on thomas last novel was inspired by the lake and its oppressive natural landscape.
fontana wrote 5 volumes about his travels through the march of brandenburg and maybe this is the 1st time i have really understood this from tanya from school just because of this trip i only saw a small part of this region but that makes me want more.
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market products and services with a mock up of course which we end up paying of course monetizing genda welcome to maid i've been and i'm before we stop crunching the numbers here's something the advertising executives missed the growing market for women who fancy a ride on fast wheels yet when no longer being draped over my disciples just to rev up sales then we have bounding the rub i think it's pretty cool. well good luck to buy one that's long been dominated by men. but this is a women only event they want to break the stereotype. the best it's money can not win by month even if your children partner at home called friends you haven't seen for a while get on your motorbike and head to pack for lads to do something that's just
for you. for years ago they were called nick founded what's now europe's biggest women only motorbike festival petra lets. her aim was to get more women interested in motorbikes and to connect them with each other. for fun calling every year we see a handful of women who don't have motorbike licenses and who aren't into the scene by then and they have a license and come by motorbike. and having an impact on the market since 2011 the number of women with motorbike licenses in germany alone has risen by around a quarter to almost 5000000. but still more than twice as many men have motorbike licenses the industry remains very male centric.
it's difficult when you go into a store i wanted something for me with different sizes and i was kind of intimidated their only guys in the store there guys they don't like even talk to you or if i'm on the road with my friends. to introduce themselves to my friends but they don't even like shake my hand that's been in my home to see all awareness is growing and as a target group were taken more seriously but there's still a. a long way to go before the motorbike market gets more female friendly especially in terms of clothing or nothing since even if you are. in the past women were often just used as decoration to sell much to buy. but that's changing slowly the industry is taking note women bikers are a force to be reckoned with.
we didn't have any female role models in the past showing us that it was totally normal for women to ride motorbikes do mechanical work and go on longer trips by themselves so there was no one inspiring us but we're changing that now i want us and. if they were caught next year to have a role model her father she began writing a motorbike 10 years ago so she could join him on the legendary route 66 in the us . you can think for him we're told it's a fun i didn't really have much of a desire to ride a motorbike before but i love challenges and i really adventurous i'm like to travel. so that's why i got my license and took that trip with my father. these days she's passionate about motor bikes but they're still just a hobby riding a motorbike is about having fun and living life to the full. if in
the. in sitting in a car it's like you have a picture frame or you. but with a motorbike you're in the picture right in the middle of it there's no frame but you're looking at it from your right in the middle and that's a different feeling. a feeling that shared by a growing number of women the petrel let's event is all about networking and creating community it's also a safe space where women. compelled that confidence. is leave it and. i live in the here and now for me it's just important that the scenes growing and that there's an interest that more women become aware of it because it's such a cool thing is that. when you're on the road it's just you and your motorbike it's time for yourself overstay says money bus visits told these women are born to be wild the global motorcycle market is writing high with some 100000000000 euros in
2018 it's expected to keep growing and that for some part to women. well it's not just women in germany who are confronted with clichés japan is one of the richest most technologically advanced economies in the world but society there is still very traditional it has the 3rd biggest gender pay gap among members of the o.e.c.d. the organization for economic cooperation and development only women in south korea at the stone paid less on average compared to men i know i'm half japanese huff german i visit japan often and when ever i see my japanese on she always asked me when them are finally getting married you know essential meeting a woman and all and you know even 30 yet. it's ridiculous and many people this think i'm not female enough and i'm too emancipated male female roles are still firmly entrenched in japan but i met one woman there who is trying to question
gender stereotypes with a very unusual product try this on for size. most . of the big day in recent years we've seen the concept of bras for men in marriage many people online for example find the idea strange or gross in. t.v. but i think people should be able to wear whatever they want whether they are men or women. just because it feels comfortable or they like it we're starting this brand to enable that a bad mom but i'll tell you. i'm
a super tranny 29 years old and i'm in the process of launching a gender neutral underwear brand. and you know i was thinking i think typical japanese underwear stalls don't offer that much variety there's a lot of floral lace pink ones i'd like to have a place that offers simpler more neutral designs which are more comfortable to where. you want them. when talking about gender or sexuality in japan i feel like i'm being choked and. there's no direct or physical violence involved but you can speak about it and
that's distressing i think that's very typical of japan. i initially thought the brands would be mostly for women but i found out that many large a man worrying about their breasts showing. up on their son men don't want their nipples to show and i realized that the only reason why many men don't buy brands is simply because they're scared of what others might think but i can't claim i am . a vast amount of them i have the body of a woman i thought when i wear this the whole doesn't bother me. a many and then prefer it that way so we chose the design purposely we thought why not leave it that way so that anyone could wear it if they want to wear them.
because we want our products to be available internationally they will be on sale online. and we're also collaborating with a japanese department store chain to sell them there as well. i. guess is all the problem is the way women are perceived inch of her in start ups that have just gone public women hold less than 5 or 10 percent of the important positions inch of her and we have a term. it's for when
a woman gets married and therefore stops working at a company manning and parenting go together and they see. as the ultimate goal and source of happiness for women many people here still think that way. so i don't think we're going for a niche market here maybe it's too simplistic but focusing on male female customers limits i think a market is just going to double. people's perceptions can change that i think that can happen quickly it's our goal that people won't be looked at strangely just for wearing what they like that's what we want to present our products without gender bias and change the way people perceive these things.
i just went to the addresses to get ready for my fair share a wash cut and blow dry cost 55 euros for me but for you it was the only thing 29 euros that's pretty good i don't buy it there are things in lots of parks that you get as a woman ladies nights free drinks free cocktails dating apps the cheaper for women well they've got to get 0 interest somehow but overall you guys definitely have a better deal a german study shows how all gender specific services are more expensive for women even things like having your clothes washed and i and men only pay more in 90 percent of the cases the study looked at only 41 percent of services wear the same price and if you look at the average price difference women end up paying quite a lot more than men searching u.s.a.t. in comparison to men for the same products and services just targeted specifically at women when met a charge more it's only 7 and
a half years more. i'm starting to feel bad see. here's our colleague christine take on gender cliches and gender marketing. god i hope for women coke 0 for men. carry 3 coke was commonly associated with women. so as the years went by a separate sugar free version was created for the stronger sex. but about cafe for women because we like to hang out over a good coffee for men there's mcdonald's a quick simple meal they really do we already have to divide everything into pink and blue just to sell more. in a magazine defended to the reader gender marketing targets male and female consumers differently the danger is that it reinforces stereotypes and traditional roles.
machines cookbooks ion's vacuum cleaners last year a german supermarket chain launched a mother's day campaign that was so sexist it backfired. is that of course men and women are different and it would be nonsense to develop sanitary products for men for instance you need to toiletries have to be divided into pink and blue. is it really necessary for items that everyone uses to look different for men and for women it is. better man gender marketing sometimes even invents a necessary product supposedly for women for example a ladies electric screwdriver i have got. that as what they are smaller and have simple to operate buttons because apparently we're weaker and less intelligent.
have emancipated themselves the market has discovered a gold mine but it's one that can only be exploited if we women go along with it do we really want this. do have a soft spot for diet products but i'll never buy an electric screwdriver designed for women. now here would you buy a lady's electric screwdriver well i'm not the strongest as you can see just like christina out of principle i definitely would not buy it well you know what sales went through the roof pretty interesting stuff so pink and cuddly for goals blue and robust for boys is that dictated by a law of nature or something no actually not far from it it's a fairly modern invention in fact in the 19th century children's clothes were often
white or left on bleached that way they could be washed at a high temperature without they color fading and i was surprised to find out that pink and red were actually colors seen as very masculine because it's strong colors and recalled the red garments worn by kate's while gals will blue because that was seen as more delicate and it was associated with the virgin mary but you try telling that to a screaming 5 year old. or the pacifier for a little princess blue for boys even when they're babies they're slaying dragons where do these gender stereotypes come from. the advertising industry that's where girls wear pink and white dolls. they never wear blue. that's for boys. marketing professionals petal stereotypes that
marcus for our entire lives. these conditions gender roles can make us sick that's what he has picked out says he's editor in chief at pink's thinks it's not very friendly i he said gunson it's actually were nice we just want people to realize that pink isn't just for girls and blue for boys and gender roles are something we can play with we shouldn't pigeonhole children we should help them figure out their identity and let them do things their own way. pick out has 4 children. their mother works in a different city during the week he shoulders all the parenting himself. he's one of 5 members of the pink stinks team it's financed by donations. and i think you know we're in a completely run of the mill german city let's take a wander around the main shopping street and see what sort of gender stereotyping we can discover in the shop windows. we don't have to look far
enough apparently only girls in pink get their ears pierced and seriously how many parents would buy a little boy suitcase with a picture of a unicorn not many boys get the blue ones with the puppies. on the tops and i have a daughter and she had a pink bicycle and i have a son who's 18 months younger than he now needs a bike too but even though he could just have the penguin because that's still in perfect condition i'd buy him a new one a blue one so i've been sold 2 items when i really only needed one. and that's like you could just buy a green bike that is one solution sure then we come across this poster the slogan is practice makes perfect the city's construction industry is looking for trainees . it would have been nice if this campaign and aim for more diversity there's a shortage of skilled workers these days and they could have featured a few women almost for me it's a job for women too of course it is. more examples of gender stereotyping can be
found on the pink stings website. users are invited to send in agree just examples of sexist advertising. sexism when it's a case of discrimination based on gender and when we men constantly convey the message that we aren't capable of looking after our children and when we convey to women their expected to be sexually available all the time to take care of the household and look after the kids not because they can not because they want to but because they're women and therefore it's their job that's gender based discrimination. it's high time to smash gender stereotypes. let's just let boys and girls be whatever they want to be. and as we just saw with the construction industry gender stereotyping also affects
the professions that we choose but let's move away from europe for a moment and take a look at a very different gender specific product when with cultural and religious rights they had stuff. can be very controversial and that's despite europe's long history of covering up women's heads men as well men and women up until the middle of the last century wouldn't leave home without a hat on their head but some people see the headscarf now as a symbol of women's oppression of sexism and in a few islamic countries women are required to cover their heads by law but many muslim women say that for them wearing a headscarf is a liberating a way of stopping themselves from being reduced to a looks or a way of expressing themselves one of them is this next indonesian entrepreneur the aging the starry business model based on creating head scarves for working with slim women.
every time i do the archery station i feels that it's getting more like focus focus and pop was so is trained to keep focused. archery is an ancient sport and one recommended by the prophet mohammed. let's start he says have faith is very important to have both in her private and her professional life if. she's an entrepreneur based in jakarta. 8 years ago she founded her job an online shop for muslim fashion she sees the hit job as a symbol of her religious beliefs and also with empowerment i wearing. when i wore high heels that i'm difficult to acquire and appropriate heat up the border the office at that time and there is no big brands in indonesia here interoffice in the other hand there's
a lot of big. international big brand they try to make this he just be here why not in a nation people make their own and market things or this biggest population was a little village in the world they're so far off economic empowerment do. and so she set about building up a homegrown fashion marketplace to fill that gap. 20 years ago religious symbols were less ubiquitous in indonesia. but these days conservative islam is increasingly popular and the market for modest dress is growing indonesia is home to some $200000000.00 muslims that's around 90 percent of the population. here. lestari started wearing the hijab when she was 14 against her mother's will today she's turned
a fusion of faith and fashion into a successful business plan in the past it tended to be mainly the older generation who will veils today modest clothing expresses not only muslim identity but is also a style statement this event for his club members has drawn several instagram influencers egypt it's kind of fredricka everybody is. very very. easy to find. egypt now. he just collaborates with $200.00 indonesian designers from buying to marketing and sales the whole operation is coordinated in the company headquarters in jakarta. lestari currently has a staff of $120.00. young business school men knew she wanted to work in a field she knew well and that was fashion traditional muslim dress generally involves keeping the body covered except for the face and hands the fabrics mustn't
contain gelatine because that support product the whole process has to be hell out of itself. islamic. foreign watches or mostly it's not only about how do you wear our laws but how we also. concious about how we made it so we have to be very careful about this was a no ball of the. produce our own clothes. how it can impact our environment. being. less starry is one of the few women in the indonesian startup scene she has 2 children and has sometimes encountered investors who doubt that a young mother is capable of running a business she often works from home because it's so much more convenient it's important to her it's a plan yet a family friendly team oriented management style. if you want to be
responsive it will make this company growing and sustainable i think because i'm woman i'm not i'm not feeling that i'm the boss everything about here. and i cannot do anything without my team and i'm not positioning myself as a boss but i'm pushing myself a year with. these days she also has stuff in london working towards establishing each up in europe to helping indonesian style modest fashion go global . well if i end up having a boy and a girl i'm going to buy doles and skateboards for both of them and my bicycles are only going to be great good luck with that there's no pressure on me i'm married to a man. look here. well are that you've enjoyed our show
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them. so my advice to these lawyers, they're season, they really don't need my advice, but it's make your points. don't be redundant and then sit down and also do not promise evidence that you are not going to produce during the trial. and if you do that the other side is going to have a field he'll day saying a said they're going to do all this and they haven't done it, and they'll do that in the closing arguments so there is a fine line fredricka between a statement and opening statement and an argument and frequently, lawyers cross that line. they do it very carefully. they start to argue the case instead of basically saying this is what we're going to show with these witnesses. occasionally their objections that happened during opening statements, but it's very unusual. most lawyers don't do it in this case. i think they're going to be a lot of objections from trump's lawyers as the statement let's are being