january. and who made the decision not to treat this as an act of war because it was a terrorist act and in short order we knew it came from libya. in 1991 we charge libyan intelligence official and we charge a libyan airline official for being complicit in what we're defining as a crime. but going back to 86 in april of that year, a nightclub in germany in berlin was bombed by libya. one soldier was killed and 20 or 30 -- about 50 were wounded and other germans as well. nine days later we conducted a massive attack against libya based on some hard intelligence with 100 airplanes. bases, barracks and gadhafi's headquarters. it was treating a terrorist act as an act of war and giving us
and one of the problems is that, you know, berlusconi, who was in and out over the 2000s, and by the way, one of her partners in the governing coalition, a convicted criminal, and he was one of the first to detain migrants and demonize migrants in all of its government, so the other governing partner, he actually called for, quote, mass cleansing of immigrants. and so when you have -- so this is the problem, when you have such extremes and people actively promoting racist and violence against immigrants, and berlusconi loved to make deals with other despots and made a deal with gadhafi and sent all the boats back, that skewed the whole debate. and when you've got these extremists, it's very difficult to have a kind of centrist option prevail.
presidthe president there. within 16 months, he couldn't steal enough votes to stay in power. within 25 months, he was in the hague. many people thought it would be impossible. in other cases such as libya, president gadhafi died hiding in the battlefield, he was indicted 45 days after the icc gained jurisdiction. there could be charges relatively soon. it's a question of how challenging it is to put the cases together. there are two types. bombardment of mariupol, which may, according to the mayor, have more than 10,000 dead. whether that can be shown to be a war crime or whether those are legitimate targets that were shot. then we have the crimes of murder and rape and torture like we have seen in your reports. of course, attributing those to the high command, they will argue those are rogue elements doing those things. >> of course.
right, one has to say. saddam hussein and assad and mubarak did protect the questions. >> like tito in yugoslavia. there's always an army like gadhafi can hold strong minorities together and protect them. but the fact there are other factors at work which are driving them out. the rate at which they were leaving is absolutely shocking. there's not many censuses done, but let's take iraq. there were something like 1.5 million christians at the last census, which was in the time of saddam. now the numbers are between somewhere ten 150,000 and 300,000. we don't know but more towards 150,000. >> do you think part of this is people in the west particularly have a conception of christianity and christians which is entirely western and white, if i may say so, and the truth is the original christians, jesus, was a middle
nuclear weapon could be hazardous to yourself. that was the lesson some took after the fall of saddam or gadhafi. and they may decide in this world reliance upon others is simply too uncertain to be a real security policy. >> a scary proposition but a possibility no doubt. david, why do you think americans should pay closer attention to what's happening in ukraine. >> so i'm going to give the standard argument that president biden and his team have been making but it strikes me as being correct. the rules-based order, to use the afraid in quotation marks, on which the united states is partners but really the whole world has relied since 1945, the
>> they need the assistance right now. how about then on the no-fly zone? are you in agreement that putting in place a no-fly zone would immediately trigger a world war iii? >> fredricka, this is a really tough problem for nato and the united states. i have experience with no-fly zones, particularly in libya. i was an operations officer and according to the u.n. security council mandate to stop the general side of gadhafi, we were told to establish a no-fly zone. you may recall that secretary of defense bob gates at the time said a no-fly zone is yet another attack on another arab country. he did not want to do it. we ultimately did do it, and the problem with no-fly zones is you just can't fly aircraft into air space over ukraine and say, okay, we've established a no-fly zone. you have to mitigate the risk against those nato or u.s. aircraft, and that means eliminating the threats to those aircraft. that means kinetic strikes
what putin was going to do, but in bringing all of our allies along. we've sanctioned nord stream 2, a complete turnaround in the german approach. we've had putin be personally sanctioned to a level now that he's in the category with gadhafi and assad. you've got russians being kicked out of s.w.i.f.t., a sanction of the central bank in russia, by not only us, but others. this really has been a uniform world reaction against putin's aggression. >> senator mark warner, it is always a pleasure to see you. thank you very much for being with us this morning. >> thank you. up next, we'll do a deep dive into the russian invasion of ukraine. would putin really use nuclear weapons in this fight? you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." s in this ? you're watching "jose you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports. that's service i can trust. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ i've got diabetes and hypertension,
gadhafi in libya. he worries about staying in power. it is all about survival. that's why he wanted to kill ukraine. ukraine was a successful democratic western leaning country on his border which could be a signal to his own people if this type of thing was positive, it was possible not to live under repression, it is possible for slavs and russian speakers to live in a democratic country. he had to snuff that out. it is about his personal survival. now, you know, now he has to double down on being a tough guy and that's scary. it is going to be ugly. >> ukrainians don't seem to be going for it. they seem to be going the exact opposite direction. john sypher, thank you so much. >> thank you. a new report overnight that china asked russia to delay its invasion of ukraine until after the olympics. we have new details ahead. ation: certified goosebumps. certifified from headlamp to tailpipe. that's certified head turns.
hand to put as much together with our allies to push back against putin. it clearly wasn't enough. vladimir putin decided to roll the dice and take this off awful move, essentially murdering people, innocent people in an innocent country that was no threat to him. yeah, it's clear we need to do more. that's one of the strong arrows in our quiver. this is what vladimir putin does almost exclusively. he uses security services to do sabotage. we saw it in our own country, our own election. we have to be very careful in this country about using those type of covert activities. but, you know, we saw yesterday the russian people were surprised by this. they're willing to come out on the streets. if the united states can sort of get information to the russian people, support the russian people here, i think that would be a useful thing. the thing that vladimir putin fears the most, the reason he's doing this, it's about survival. he doesn't want to be dragged through the suer like gadhafi in
mercenaries from the wagner group and bringing in forces from gadhafi's groups in libya. some of the groups in the east have been destroyed, just ripped apart. second, you're seeing them set up defensive positions now, instead of advancing, they're starting to set up defensive position, dig in and lay mine fields. you're trying to hold terrain. the russians saying we're going to bring our massive indirect fires, artillery, missiles, aircraft. that's a losing strategy to me when you look at how many fronts they're trying to advance on, and lost personnel. they're reorganizing the leftovers of destroyed divisions, with new forces coming in. >> clint watts, thank you so much. coming up, a look at this morning's must read opinion's page, including katty's take on a humiliated, beaten down, humbled america. do we look beaten down to you?