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he violated it a dozen times. the tools that exist in the system people don't seem willing to use them on him. what do you have to say about that? >> reporter: oftentimes judges are reluctant to sanction defendants because they want to make sure they are giving, having a vigorous defense and free to do all of the things they want to do. i agree with you. i think there is a worry here that trump is baiting them and they are just giving him what he wants the image of trump being fined or jailed for contempt for violating the gag order is one that they can use and it will be one that he uses to attack the credibility and to raise the temperature on this. the judges want to bring calm not chaos. calm cools down. let's get the trial done and not worry about sideshows. trump is all about chaos and creating all of this sideshow it is part of his game plan.
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the american people and make it difficult for the leaders in our government to formulate cohesive policies. they do this in a number of ways. they are people working with academics, people who are on social media networks, posing as americans. they have money, coming in through businesses that are co-owned with foreign countries. there are a lot of ways that they are influencing, but the point is that it is an orchestrated game plan. before social media, before the internet, of course, the soviet union tried to do this. we are an important country and it was always the soviet union's aim to influence american politics, but they were not good at it. social media and the internet has given them what we call multiple attack factors. they can now reach out, individually, to american voters and feed them disinformation, feed them information that is 80% correct and 20% is what the
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steel order could be one that he uses and likely would be one that he uses to attack credibility of the court and to raise the temperature on things. i think the judges want to bring calm to chaos, calm things down, keep eye on the ball, let's get this trial done and let's not worry about sideshows and i think donald trump is all about disruption and chaos so creating all of this sideshow is part of his game plan and so even if the judge takes the bait and jails him i think there is some concern that the judge is taking his eye off the ball which is getting this trial to a verdict. >> always thought about the road to is paved in trying to game out what trump will do. right? so trump is going to, he already has 80% of his supporters do not believe in the legitimacy of these charges and these are facts not really in dispute by donald trump. and unlike the mar-a-lago case word trump is running on those facts, residential records, you can do it. and the january 6th case, before
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they are influencing, but it's a game plan. before there was social media and before there was the internet, of course they would try to do this. we're a very important country. it was always tear aim to try to influence the american politics, but they were not good at it. but social media and the internet has given them what we call the multiple attack vectors. that they could now reach out individually to american voters and feed them disinformation. feed them information that is 80% correct, 20% is what the russians will want you to believe. so this is the methodology that you say things that sound reasonable. no doubt about it. but how does that compare to the threat to democracy if ukraine falls? >> general wesley clark, i want to keep in touch with you because i want to know if you do, indeed, hear from the president about your memo to the president that dropped on thursday.
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do you have corroboration was a shell company established are not are there text messages indicating that this was a game plan or not? are there emails? is there other other things that show that what you're saying is unsavory as you are listen, it's true because there are other things to establish that that's going to be significant thing. we throw around historic and unprecedented. >> we use those words too often. this is truly historic and unprecedented. we'll see you on monday, gentlemen. appreciate all your time tonight. thank you so much. it was a dramatic and emotional day in court. if for some of the prospective jurors to two broke down in tears. understandably feeling weight of it all up next the pressures on the shoulders of the jurors with the legendary white house counsel john dean who knows a bit about what it's like to feel the heat. and later to trump post a bad bond on for his hundred and $75 fraud fine. why new york's attorney general is now asking a judge to void it the source with kaitlan collins brought to you by jp morgan wealth management
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they going to go move, move forward if they're not going to move forward today, and that's something that they are struggling with. at this moment, the calculation has to be one. do they have the votes they seem to think they do, but democrats likely would come to save him, although they have now said so officially. and two, they don't they don't really know what the game plan is. if they were to somehow succeed, if they become the dog will catch the car, caught the car. what happens if gel-like johnson? this is vacated. who is the successor? do they did throw this institution yet again into a state of paralysis because this house cannot do anything until a speaker is elected. as we saw last fall. so all those things are part of the discussion. marjorie taylor greene continued to say she's being responsible in this because he's trying to argue that she's not doing what matt gaetz did in the fall which was call for the vote, led to the outro. kevin mccarthy and then republicans had no idea what to do ultimately leading to the election of mike johnson. but mike johnson making the calculation that and deciding it is time to take on those
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