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1,000-member student body are catholic. professors pledge to uphold catholic beliefs. there are worship sites in every dorm, and mass is held three times a day. its president, jim towey, who worked for the bush administration as director of its faith-based and community initiatives office, also served as legal advisor for the late mother teresa. ave maria is determined to stay a course from which its president says other catholic institutions have strayed. >> in an age where modernity has attacked the whole idea of objective truth and the whole relativism that you see that's pervasive in our culture, i guess this university's not going to be here to be popular. it's not here to try to please everyone. it's here to try to be true to itself and its own catholic identity. >> georgetown university, renowned for its academic excellence, has a different view of its catholic identity. all students, though only half of the 7,000 undergraduates are catholic, are required to take two theology and two philosophy courses. >> lord, you are the giver of all good gifts. lord, have mercy. >> though students are not required to go to mass, there are many to choose from, and catholic priests live in each dorm acting as mentors and friends. but georgetown, which boasts the largest campus ministry in the world, also fiercely champions unfettered dialogue. >> what we did 50 years ago to promote our identity does not suffice today because the world is different, and our students and faculty are different. to quote something father hesburgh from notre dame would often say, “the catholic university is a place where the church does its thinking.” and if that is to be the case, then we have to permit this free exchange of ideas. >> georgetown insists that welcoming groups like gay pride, even hosting a gay and lesbian center on campus, is part of the jesuit's priestly mission. >> the purpose of the center is not to undermine the church's teaching. it is a center for education. we try to teach our students and faculty and our alumni about issues of sexuality, of sexual identity and gender. that's an expression of our jesuit tradition of cura personalis, caring for each person mind, body and spirit, in their unique individuality. >> it's an openness, a kind of tolerance, ave maria's president disdains. >> they become bastions of relativism where your truth is your truth, my truth is my truth, the catholic teaching is just one path. that's not our view, and i feel sorry for those universities. i think they've lost their moral bearings, and i think they've lost their catholic identity when they water it down to the point where everything's true. >> still, many georgetown students argue that this catholic university has found the right mix of scholarship and religious character. >> i think it's reaching a great number of students, non-catholic and catholic, and helping them to develop, grow in their own faith and figure out really how they can bring their faith into public life. >> on georgetown's campus there are, of course, dissenting voices which contend that this university has strayed. >> is it catholic enough? i would say no. we have the knights of columbus the catholic daughters, there's all student-run organizations, but the university is not promoting this stuff. we have a mass, but are they teaching you about this stuff? are they promoting this as an ideal, as a good? >> and you would say no. >> i would say they are a little passive on that. >> senior andrew schilling lives at the knights of columbus house just off campus. his letter to the student newspaper opposing same-sex marriage provoked withering criticism of him. schilling says when georgetown lets gays and lesbians advocate georgetown's catholic identity is diluted. >> it's not so much that georgetown can't support homosexuals and treat them with respect and the dignity that they deserve, but it's rather that the university remains silent about the church's teaching and position with regard to homosexuality, with regard to human sexuality in general. >> but gay pride activist thomas lloyd counters that his faith has been affirmed precisely because georgetown is catholic. >> i wouldn't even think about how to reconcile my queer identity with my catholic faith identity if i hadn't come to georgetown. what does it mean to be gay and catholic? can those two things go together? and my experience at georgetown with jesuits and with other people who are catholic and identify as queer on campus show me that you can. >> on the campus of ave maria, a debate on the role about groups opposed to catholic teachings seems unlikely. >> take what you want, leave what you don't -- as catholics, we believe that's not the way faith is meant to be lived. >> nor do students here feel they've been short-changed because they don't have direct exposure to gay and pro-choice groups permitted on the georgetown campus. >> even though our campus does not have such groups as that, within the classrm, you're talking about these topics in a way that presents, i think, both why do people believe what they believe with regards to abortion or homosexuality and why do we believe what we believe? >> the professors represent their views well, and they present the argument in such a way that is challenging for us as catholics to engage the argument and try and prove it false. >> if a group wanted to be pro-choice, pro-abortion catholics we would not want to try to endow that group with legitimacy. that's not in some way curtailing academic freedom. it's recognizing that academic freedom has limits. >> and many ave maria students agree their faith has been strengthened largely because the catholic identity here is so pervasive. >> it's definitely grown. being able to experience it every day only makes you appreciate it and come to understand it more. being able to go to mass every day, and being able to go to the chapel only allows you to grow deeper in your faith. >> and fostering that, says ave maria's president, is the true role of a catholic university. >> what's needed now is a catholicism rooted in scripture sacramental in nature, that's open to engagement with the world without losing its own identity. >> it isn't easy. ave maria to get more students recently slashed tuition. georgetown policies have prompted harsh criticism and loss of financial support from some alumni. and if the debate now under way at many of the country's nearly 270 catholic colleges and universities seems a bit untidy, that's precisely because it is. >> that's where there's a creative tension to be catholic and university, and it is -- yes, is it messy sometimes? and is it challenging? yes. those same questions that play out in parishes and around family dinner tables, they play out in a university, because we're all asking the question -- what does it mean to be catholic today? >> questions reverberating in the world at large and on catholic campuses. for “religion & ethics newsweekly,” this is bob faw in ave maria, florida. in other news, the baptism this week of an heir to the british throne. 3-month-old prince george was christened by archbishop of canterbury justin welby, who urged more parents to christen their babies as a way of “bringing god” into the family. if george ever becomes king, he would then also head the church of england. before the christening, welby made a quick trip to africa, where he met with conservative leaders who are unhappy with liberal directions in the worldwide anglican communion. a new survey from the christian research organization the barna group confirms that technology continues to shape the spiritual practices of millennials -- young people 18 to 29. according to barna, 70% of practicing christian millennials read scripture on a screen, such as a cell phone or tablet. and nearly 40% of them say they fact-check their pastor's sermons online. on our calendar this week, protestants observe reformation sunday, which recalls the day in 1517 when martin luther nailed his 95 theses to a church door in wittenberg. november 1st is all saints day, when christians honor martyrs and saints, followed by all soul's day on november 2nd. on november 3rd, hindus around the world begin the five-day celebration of diwali, the festival of lights. diwali is one of the most well-loved of all hindu festivals, and is held in honor of lakshmi, the goddess of wealth. also this week, depending on the sighting of the new moon, muslims mark the islamic new year. we have a judy valente profile today of poet christian wiman, the former editor of “poetry” magazine, this year teaching at the yale divinity school and yale's institute of sacred music. wiman said poetry, and all the arts, are essential to experiencing what he calls glimmerings of the presence of god. meanwhile, he lives with the implications of his incurable cancer. >> poet christian wiman is in a place where he says his spirit is at home -- the chapel at the yale divinity school. >> there's so much genuine joy and intensity in those services. you think of young people as being ironic and dejected and you know, dispassionate or dissolute maybe. and here are a bunch of people in their 20s that are filled with joy. they're singing out. it is truly inspiring. >> wiman is here to offer a message to aspiring ministers and church musicians, that poetry is not only a means of reaching out to god, but one of the ways through which god reaches out to us. >> this is true in a profound sense, in the way that art radically expands or extends our notion of go we've all had the experience of coming across a work of art that suddenly blows your mind and makes you think of everything differently, think of the world differently, think of god differently. it's actually an absolutely essential element of any authentic and unified religious experience, i think. >> wiman's arrival at yale's institute of sacred music as a senior lecturer in religion and literature comes at the end of a long personal pilgrimage. one that included years of spiritual unrest and wandering, and led ultimately to an encounter with what he calls “the god of job, the god of annihilation.” it is a journey that began here, amid the arid plains and long horizons of west texas. >> i was raised in an atmosphere that was really completely saturated with religion. it was southern baptist, fundamentalist baptist. the bible was inerrant, as we said. and i never really met a person who wasn't a believer until i left that place. >> an early role model in faith was his fundamentalist grandmother, josie clorine wiman. >> she was able to be in the world in a way that was completely incarnational almost. there was no separation between her existence and this self-consciousness that i always feel afflicted with, separating me from my experience. she really inhabited the life that she had. and i think you could argue that that's what being with god is, being able to fully inhabit the moments that we are given. >> wiman left texas to travel the world, aspiring to be a poet. he also left behind his baptist upbringing but not what he calls an insistent, clandestine religious yearning. >> i wouldn't have called myself a christian for years and years but clearly it was a passion. it wasn't exactly dormant. >> he would go on to publish two collections of poetry and win a major award for younger poets. at age 36, he was named editor of the prestigious “poetry” magazine in chicago, just after the magazine was awarded a $150 million bequest by pharmaceutical heiress ruth lilly. he fell in love and married. >> falling in love with my wife meeting my wife really shook my world up in ways i couldn't have predicted. i had not been able to write for a long time, and i began to write after that. she and i began to say prayers after we got together and we also began to talk about going to church. we didn't actually make it in the door, but we talked about it. >> then, at the age of 39, just one year into his marriage, wiman was diagnosed with a rare and incurable blood cancer. >> i have cursed mightily and i have been furious and have cursed god just like any old testament prophet. it didn't ever destroy me, it didn't ever make me bitter toward the people that i love. but gosh, it's been hard. i would say the illness made me need to formalize faith, need to find some form for it. it wasn't necessarily that i felt like i needed to be surrounded by people who were going to help us. i think that's part of it. it was more simply a sense of solidarity and suffering and a sense of solidarity and worship. i have a hard time conceiving of a god who is completely removed from suffering. once i understand the notion of christ participating in suffering, then it makes more sense to me. >> while wiman found comfort in worshiping with others, he found the ways churches talk about god, faith, suffering and death to be woefully inadequate. christian wiman says people today are seeking a new language for speaking about god. it is a language that goes beyond words, concepts, or even doctrine, that taps into a genuine experience of the divine, what he calls glimmers of god. >> if you ask me, do i get glimpses of god, yes, i get these glimmerings of intuitions stronger than that really, where the existence of god seems to me absolute. we all go through our lives and then suddenly, we'll have a moment when we think, “i have faith right now in something.” i find that i've had these moments in my life when i have been overcome by what i only know to call god. “think of the atoms inside the stone. think of the man who sits alone trying to will himself into the stillness where god goes belonging.” in my experience, the artists that i know, even though they wouldn't call themselves christians -- some would -- but they are the ones who are fighting to remake some kind of language to connect us with the ineffable, with the divine. if we think that metaphor is how we talk of god, and that seems to me very hard to dispute that there's any other way of talking to god, talking about god, other than metaphorically, then it would follow that the place where metaphor is most powerfully used, most compressed, most concise, most explosive in poetry would be where we would go to find religious enlightenment. >> he cites as an example a poem that he teaches in his class by the polish poet anna kamienska. >> “lord let me suffer much and then die. let me walk through silence and leave nothing behind, not even fear. make the world continue, let the ocean kiss the sand just as before. let the grass stay green so that frogs can hide in it, so that someone can bury his face in it and sob out his love. make the day rise brightly as if there were no more pain and let my poem stand clear as a windowpane bumped by a bumblebee's head. it's a hard poem to pray, lord, let me suffer, let me die, lord let nothing be changed after my death.” >> wiman is now 46 and the father of twin daughters. his doctors tell him his cancer is under control. but his prognosis is highly uncertain. he has endured painful marrow transplants and in the course of many long hospitalizations, confronted death. >> i find that i don't fear death now for myself. it's just a great tragedy to think of my family. i also believe that death is here to teach us something and that we are meant not to fill up the content of the afterlife, and that we have to mostly be silent about it. >> a poem he often reads in public came to him after a three-year dry spell in his poetry writing. he wrote it in one of the darkest periods of his illness. it is a psalm-like portrayal of a god who appears in stone, atom, shadow and all creation, or as the poet says, “in every riven thing.” >> “god goes belonging to every riven thing. he's made the things that bring him near, made the mind that makes him go. a part of what man knows, apart from what man knows, god goes belonging to every riven thing he's made.” >> for “religion & ethics newsweekly,” i'm judy valente at yale university's institute of sacred music. >> christian wiman's latest book is “my bright abyss: meditation of a modern believer.” that's our program for now. i'm bob abernethy. you can follow us on twitter and facebook and watch us anytime on the pbs app for iphones and ipads. and visit our website, where there is always much more, and where you can listen to or watch each of our programs. join us at pbs.org. as we leave you, more music from the yale divinity school chapel. ♪ major funding for "religion and ethics newsweekly" is provided by the lilly endowment, an indianapolis based private family foundation dedicated to its founders' interest in religion, community development, and education. additional funding also provided by mutual of america designing customized individual and group retirement products. that's why we're your retirement company. - bob scully's world show is brought to you by 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meet, gary burke, runs a company called burke's restoration, but he doesn't work on upholstery or furniture; he works on homes, homes that often have been devastated by terrible, unexpected catastrophes, whether it's floods, fire, any kind of difficult you might imagine. and he's there almost as an official first responder, except he's not, so unlike the police and the firemen and firewomen, he has to get permission, go in there, and then meet these people, who sometimes are burned over part of their body, or in pain, or simply in complete moral distress, he has to calm them down, get their permission so that he can help them, and in so doing, he not only helps himself and his business; he helps others, and it's quite the story. here's gary burke. gary burke, when i first read "burke's restoration," i thought, "right, somebody's restoring upholstery or paintings or antiques or whatever." i didn't realize there was such a business as yours, and i'm glad there is the more i read about it. what does burke's restoration do? - we're a restoration company that help people in their disasters. so, if they've had a fire, flood, wind damage a tree on their home - all kinds of things - kitchen fires to large losses, right from the ground up. we're a tarion- licenced home builder, so we can take a house from the basement and put it right up to the top. - and you can do that also when there's a major weather disaster, which is more frequent. - absolutely, yes, yes. recently, we've just had some major flooding in toronto, and we've... i think we have completely over 400 claims, so... - that's incredible, 400. that's a neighbourhood. - that is a lot, yes. - and so, you work 24/7. you're available 24/7, but i think you're busy 24/7. - we are. we're available 24/7. we have people on call at all times. and, yeah, if you've had a break and enter in the evening, you come home, the insurance companies will call us out, and we'll go take care of boarding that up. or, like i say, tragedy happens anytime. it's not on a time schedule, so any time of day, we're there. - and, since you mentioned breaking and entering, one thing that struck me in the research is, you have all your specialties, and of course there's flooding and there's wind damage and everything else, but there's also "crime scene," i saw. that caught my eye. - yes, yeah. - is there a special procedure? - there is. i have one special employee who has trained in that, and he does that, and he has no issues with it, and he is very, very well trained at it, and he does those, yep. - so that in restoration they don't disturb the crime scene. i guess that's the technique. - yeah, a crime scene, and sometimes, unfortunately, people will pass, and they're not found for a little while, and that needs to be dealt with as well so... we're very compassionate workers, and they go in and do what's necessary to clean that up. - and you see the gamut, really, of human tragedy, because, well, you're just mentioning, somebody dies and it's unknown, undetected, but when a person's house burns down, it can hardly be more tragic than that. - yeah, no, it's a total loss. it's devastating for people, and
Ave-maria-universityFloridaUnited-statesMartin-lutherIllinoisTexasPrince-georgeBritish-columbiaCanadaTorontoOntarioAve-maria with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening, rachel. we'll be covering whatever is new in the netanyahu race later this hour. there probably won't be too much more coming in tonightbut we'l get to it this hour. >> thank you, lawrence >> thank you, rachel there was much must-see tv in the corwin lewandowski hearing. unfortunate unfortunately, it was hours after people stopped watching the hearing. but we'll show you the best parts of what happened in that hearing room today also, the fallout about new reporting on the fbi investigation or lack of fbi investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct by brett kavanaugh during the confirmation process for the supreme court. presidential candidate amy klobuchar will join us tonight to discuss what she thinks congress should do now and we have breaking news on two major stories in the middle east tonight the trump administration is considering how to respond to an attack on saudi arabian oil facilities secretary of state mike pompeo is on his way to saudi arabia scheduled to meet with the governor tomorrow. as rachel said, votes are being counted in israel in an election that's been called a referendum on trump ally benjamin netanyahu. roger kerwin has worked with th "new york times" and has militarized affairs. we are very lucky to have him at this historic moment in the middle east joining us tonight at the end of the hour also toward the end of the hour, cal perry will join us with a really important investigation that he conducted into the potential dangers of process of flaring natural gas in texas you really need to see this. now, if you read the early reviews of today's hearing in the house judiciary committee, by which i mean the reviews written about four, four and a half hours into the five-and-a-half-hour hearing, then you would think the hearing was a mess "the daily beast" headline at 5:55 p.m. said, corey lewandowski's hearing quickly dissolves into a mess. a minute later, literally a minute after that was filed, everything changed there was a half hour left in that hearing when everything changed, and corwin lewandowski cha changed. corwin lewandowski ran out of ways of avoiding questions when he faced a full half hour by a lawyer hired by the committee to question his impeachment investigation. they were determined to make a mockery of the committee process from the start we have never seen a more childish and abusive use of committee process and committee rules than what the republicans on the house judiciary committee did today. this was the low point in the history of house hearings procedurally the republicans made repeated motions to shut down the hearing, to just adjourn the hearing, close it down and when those motions were defeated instantly by a voice vote, the republicans then called for, as is their right, roll call votes that they knew would take time and they knew they were going to lose, and they were just trying to waste time and add to the circus atmosphere that they created corey lewandowski was ready for a circus he was not ready for serious questioning. when republicans took their five-minute turns at questioning the witness, they ignored corey lewandowski's role in the president's attempt to shut down the mueller investigation, as described by corwin lewandowski's own testimony in the mueller report and his own notes that are reproduced in the mueller report the republican questioning deliberately did not make any sense. but the questioning on the democratic side also mostly didn't make sense because of republican interference with that questioning, and the simple fact which should be obvious by now, that most members of congress aren't very good at this they did not run for district attorney, they ran for the house of representatives and every once in a while they have to play district attorney in committee hearings, and generally for most of them, it doesn't go very well except for the people who have actually been prosecutors. and so for hours on end, it was a chaotic hearing with corey lewandowski becoming increasingly emboldened with his refusal to answer any question for which the answer was not already contained in the mueller report he was asked by several democrats to read passages of the mueller report and he repeatedly refused to do so. he zeroed in on a speech that was dictated to him about the mueller organization while jeff sessions was recused from supervising or commenting on the mueller investigation. in the trump-written speech, jeff sessions would announce that the special prosecutor's investigation of the president is unfair, and the special prosecutor would only be allowed, from this point forward, to investigate the possibility of, quote, election meddling for future elections so that nothing can happen in future elections congressman eric swalwell asked corwin lewandowski to read his notes of his conversation with the president as produced in the mueller report, and lewandowski refused to read his words aloud. >> you were ashamed to read them out loud and you didn't deliver those words to the person the president asked you to, did you have a consciousness of guilt? >> i have nothing to be guilty of, congressman. thank you. >> do you still feel guilty today and that's why you can't read it out loud >> congressman, you can read it if you'd like. >> when the members of the committee finally finished their questioning, about five minutes after the hearing began, it was finally time for 30 minutes of questioning reserved by gary burke who was serving as chairman of the committee hired by jerry nadler. chaos broke out once again as the republicans pretended there was something wrong with having counsel ask questions even though the committee has done that many, many times before, especially in the investigation of a president and after another round of votes trying and failing to close down the hearing completely, finally, finally barry burke closed in on corwin lewandowski for what was the worst public half hour of corey lewandowski's life >> my question to you, sir, is on national television, did you lie about your relationship with the special counsel and whether they sought your interview >> i don't know. >> prior to the mueller report being published in redacted form, did you ever misrepresent what you did on behalf of the president? >> i can't think of an instance where that would have occurred >> let me show you an interview that you did on may 14, 2019 excuse me. i'm going to show it to you from february 22nd, 2019. let me show it to you. >> excuse me, excuse me, may 14 -- >> may 14, 2019. >> i don't remember the president ever asking me to get involved with jeff sessions or the department of justice in any way, shape or form ever. >> did you hear that, sir? that was you saying on msnbc you don't ever remember the president ever asking you to get involved with jeff sessions or the department of justice in any way, shape or form that wasn't true, was t siit, s? >> i heard that. >> and that wasn't true? >> i have no idea with the media because they're as untruthful as everybody else >> so you admit you weren't being truthful, right? >> my interview with ari melber can be interpreted any way you like >> why weren't you honest about the fbi asking you about a personal investigation >> he told them he didn't want them to deliver a letter to jeff sessions at the justice department at jeff sessions' office because he didn't want jeff sessions' logs to show he was there. he was asked why he didn't want a public record of him entering the justice department >> isn't it a fact you didn't want a public log because you knew what you were doing was wrong. so just as the president went to an unofficial non-government employee, you wanted to make sure there was no record of it isn't that right, sir? >> no. >> do you agree that a log would create a record of a visit with the attorney general >> i would think so, yes >> and you told the attorney general you did not want a public log of your visit, and that's one reason you didn't go to the department of justice, because you didn't want a public log, correct >> i don't go to the department of justice i've never been to the department of justice. i don't want to do anything based on what happens at the department of justice, to be honest with you. >> gary burke insisted that the reason corwin lewandowski didn't deliver that message is because corey lewandowski knew that wouldn't be legal. >> you said so, sir, because you knew if you delivered that message that told the attorney general to instruct the special counsel to limit the investigation to exclude the president, that would not be legal. isn't that correct, sir? >> mr. burke, i didn't have the privilege of going to harvard law cool and i'm not an attorney so what i know is i didn't think at the time that the president asked me to deliver a message, that anything was illegal about it i didn't have the privilege to go to harvard law. so if you're telling me that in your opinion that would have been illegal, that's your opinion, too, but i never assumed that, didn't think about it at the time and haven't thought about now. >> why didn't you deliver the message the president asked you to deliver unless you didn't deliver it because you knew it was improper to deliver? >> mr. burke, it wasn't a priority >> it sure reads like a priority in the mueller report. throughout the day corwin lewandowski refused to answer multiple questions about his conversations with anyone working in the white house barry burke showed that this was not exactly a sacred principle to corbin lewandowski. >> i can't speak to conversation i may or may not have with a senior staffperson to honor the privilege they invoked they told me not to discuss conversations with any of the president's advisers i am respecting the decision of the white house. >> didn't you publish a book in which you disclosed these very conversations you had with senior white house officials >> which book are you referring to i've written two in the last year, so can you tell me which one? >> i'm talking about the best-seller "let trump be trump. he's one of the able questioners of the house judiciary committee because he is a former deputy district attorney himself also joining me, alice roka, an msnbc contributor. i want to talk about what you said to nadler, and you can tell us if this was coordinated with the chairman or not. you specifically said -- you asked them to hold corwin lewandows lewandowski in contempt with the way he was answering questions, and i have to say, with any previous congress, he would have been held in contempt with congress in the first five minutes, based on what we saw. what is going to happen with the attempt to hold contempt for corwin lewandowski it still could happen. empty chairs mean empty pockets, and the other two witnesses need to be fined. i could listen to barry burke all day. he's just masterful and finally the truth came out that's not how an innocent person conducts themselves that's not how someone who wants to help the congress understand the president did would defend themselves the chairman is going to consider contempt, and we're not going to stop it and lawrence, i saw just like you did, the twitter, you know, hot takes on what all this meant, and people said it was messy, it was frustrating, and that's all true. but if the opposite of this is to do nothing and let the president get away with further obstruction, we're not going to do that, either. we have court battles that are ongoing right now, so the president may benefit in the short term from confusing people and telling people to obstruct, but in the long term, there's going to be a cascade of court decisions in our favor and it's not going to be very good for the trump team >> carson, there is anotheral alternate tifr for the messiness of it, and that is letting barry burke do either all the questioning or let barry burke have the first half hour and then let the mess follow that. >> it also just depends as well on the witnesses we should assume that most witnesses are going to be like mr. lewandowski. that's just the trump style. they haven't had to have any consequences for that as of late, and yes, i think, you know, just like you want more cow bell, give us more burke he was very, very good >> mimi roka, one of the things you don't have in a courtroom is the other side in the middle of your questioning jumping up in all sorts of histrionic ways if you want to object to something in a courtroom, you better be doing it based on the rules of evidence. the democrats had not just a witness problem, but they had these other -- these republican members on the other side who were willing to play games at every moment of this hearing and interrupt in any way they felt like at any time >> right, that's absolutely right. in a courtroom you have a judge policing it in the moment. here republicans -- as long as they're willing to sort of give up pride, basically, and look foolish, they can object on any basis for as long as they want it broke the flow, and particularly in the first part of the hearing, it really, i think, made it hard for democrats to get information out. as time went on, i think they became more accustomed to it and were able to use their time. >> i'm just imagining you watching this, okay, as an experienced federal prosecutor, and, look, there is bad questioning on both sides. we know the republicans are just playing a game but on the democratic side, there was a lot of bad questioning, ineffective questioning, lost points, not holding to a consistent line of inquiry from one member to another. there were very few members, even on the democratic side, who you could even summarize what they were trying to do carson swalwell is one that could do it. how hard was it for you to watch that >> it was very hard. what they needed to do wasn't even about the style of their questioning as much as they let the witness control, and that was also because of what the republicans are doing. they needed to take control back that's why when barry burke had a full 30 minutes and is just, as everyone has said, such a skilled questioner, he was able to take control again. he was able to take the narrative and get out where he wanted, and showed lewandowski to just be a complete liar it was so obvious to anyone watching that. there were some good points, though, even before burke. i think this point about lewandowski, you know, have said to mueller that he didn't want to meet with sessions at the doj because of the log, and now he's totally trying to disclaim that. that's a really important point, and frankly, he may have perjured himself about that today because he completely contradicted what he said to mueller. >> and mr. swalwell, you completely found him answering completely opposite today. >> there were other witnesses that knew what had happened, but he told the mueller team this was the only time he had ever written down something the president told him to do that's how important this message was. then he told us, no, i took notes all the time i kept every note he gaive me in my safe. we showed that inconsistency again to show he was trying to reduce his criminal culpability with us and minimize it. lawrence, just to defend my colleagues, we have bonded in the last few months over this, and we work very hard to be prepared and you're right, the obstruction from the republican colleagues of ours and from the witnesses makes it very hard but i think this new style of having a cleanup at the end by a skilled litigator like mr. burke will help the american people better understand. >> and mimi, one of the things about these congressional hearings is it's extremely hard to anticipate the kind of interference that the republicans launch, because they are violating every norm of committee process that existed in the institution and so when i'm watching this, i don't have suggestions for chairman nadler about here's how to fight these guys, because i've never seen any conduct like this before in these hearings. and what they don't have are the rules that you have in a courtroom that you can rely on a judge to smack down a lawyer who is getting out of order. there is no -- we're discovering the limits of what we thought were the powers of chairmen in this process, because they are abusing this hearing process and there really isn't a way to get them to behave the way they're supposed to in these hearings. >> well, i think to the extent possible, and i realize under the procedural rules you can't completely do this, they have to not engage they have to try to shut it down as quickly and as early as possible there seemed to be a lot of debate going on right there in the moment about privilege i mean, this is a bogus privilege that's being asserted. so either they should have said from the beginning that they're just going to let him make these bogus privilege assertions, or they're going to hold him in contempt, one or the other there seemed to be a lot of debate happening in the moment about whether it was, in fact, a valid privilege or not it's not, and frankly i think they should hold him in contempt because otherwise everyone is going to keep asserting this this is a good test case >> the problem with contempt and a prosecution for contempt in congress is conducted by william barr andso that's what makes , in effect, the behavior in ta room unenforcible corwin lewandowski knows he can be as much in contempt as he wants, and they will never prosecute him for it >> i think all the guys on the trump team, all they understand is money and fior a lot of reasons they're conduct was about greed. that's why we should use the power to try to find them. i think that 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>> well, i would say it wasn't one of surprise, lawrence. and i think you know my role in that hearing, i was the one that was calmly asking the judge, trying to mesh the stories, the credible story of dr. blaze ford i asked him if he had blacked oud a out and then he shot back if i had blacked out. he later apologized, but that's been etched in my memory part of what i thought about this whole thing, one, he shouldn't have been hand-picked to begin with, he was hand-picked by his view of executive power. but that hearing putting aside the facts was outrageous, and he brought down not just the supreme court but his whole judiciary with his demeanor and how he was so partisan during that hearing from there, as you know, it launched into this additional very brief fbi investigation to explore some of these other allegations. and that's something i've never really had much time to talk about and why i'm not surprised at all by their findings and that is that we were put into this room and we had one hour, and then the other party took an hour and we could come back i went back there three or four times, and it was literally stacks of documents like this, all mixed up together. there would be cranks basically, like tips, strange tips that were called in, just nutty things, but then mixed in would be an actual one, like what you may have just referred to, things like that and it was impossible to triage, and then you add to that the calls that i got as well as other senators got, which we then tried to report and i look at this more than just the fbi it's really an issue of the white house that was limiting the focus of this investigation, and that's why i called to get those documents. i think that's what we need. we need those documents and i know it's similar to what the house is talking about you can't make a decision about impeachment or anything like that until you have this underlying information >> when the process was stopped by dr. ford's emergence and there came a point where jeff flake decided to basically join with the democrats to delay the confirmation process and have more of an fbi background check, what was very clear pretty quickly was that, okay, this was going to be a time-limited fbi background check once i heard that, that the fbi background check is time limited, i think we all knew then it can't possibly be complete you know that the background checks that they run on your confirmations, they don't have any time limit on it they don't deliver you a background check until they have finished it, and some of them take longer than others for a bunch of reasons >> cannotexactly. i mean, i've had numerous judicial nominees, attorney nominees that went on for months, and they look up people from their past from high school like you're talking about, from college, and it can take a long time that's why this was this time limit made it very hard to look into all of these tips and allegations. but the concerning part is when you see those, and again, i can't reveal what i saw, but when you see these, you know there were people that desperately wanted to be contacted and had information. and it was just a sham, it what it was in the end, and it's very unfortunate for our democracy, and that's why i've continued to believe and have always believed that two sets of things have to come out the first is the 100,000 pages of documents from the time that he worked in the white house in the white house counsel's office we were denied access to those documents to begin with. and the second were these that we just discussed. and that's one of the reasons, by the way, lawrence, that i really want to be president, because i think, one, we have to nominate judges that have the integrity to never act like that again at a hearing, and that we also want to have a process that works, a vetting process that the public would be proud of and that is not what happened with this president when he hand-picked this nominee >> senator, we have to squeeze in a break when we come back, i'd like to ask you your position on impeachment. some of the fellow senators and presidential candidates have called for impeachment of brett kavanaugh. and i want to get to other campaign issues right after this break. >> because i'm here at philadelphia at the workers summit here, lawrence, so there is take lot goinong with our campaign >> i want to hear all about it after this break we'll be right back. too many people in pain settle for a restless night's sleep. there's a better choice. aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid and the 12-hour pain-relieving strength of aleve that dares to last into the morning. so you feel refreshed. aleve pm. there's a better choice. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. even a- (ernie) lost rubber duckie? 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>> of course i will. i don't think you can go to michigan and not meet with them right now. here they are, we've seen some really hefty profits the gm has brought in, and yet the workers, so many of them in temporary status, so many of them not sharing profits, health care issues, there's all kind of things you have to be able to have shared prosperity, not only with that company but really across america. and that's why i favor increasing the minimum wage and why we have to do something about antitrust enforcement. that was the subject of the hearing that i co-chaired today. there has to be more balance here in our economy so everyone will share in the prosperity and that is something that donald trump has not delivered for these people that he made all these promises to. all he's done lately when it comes to the economy is whine. and people don't want a whiner in the white house they want someone that's going to bring people together, change the tone and move this country forward. and that's where i come in and what i've been talking about since the moment i announced in the middle of that blizzard. >> we all remember that shot in the middle of the blizzard presidential candidate, senator amy klobuchar, thank you very much for joining us tonight. please come back >> thank you thanks for having me on, lawrence coming up, we have breaking news secretary of state mike pompeo is now on his way to saudi arabia for meetings with the saudi government about the attack on saudi oil facilities last weekend and votes are being counted at this moment in the election in israel tonight where it is still too close to call. the "new york times" calling roger cohen, an expert of all the matters in the middle east, will join us next. humira patients, you inspire us. the way you triumph over adversity. and live your lives. that's why we redesigned humira. we wanted to make the experience better for you. now there's less pain immediately following injection. we've reduced the size of the needle and removed the citrate buffers. and it has the same effectiveness you know and trust. humira citrate-free is here. a little change can make a big difference. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections, including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. ask your doctor about humira citrate-free. here's to you. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, hmm. exactly. so you only pay for what you need. nice. but, uh... what's up with your... partner? 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>> to get away from the wells, all the stink and the stench and smelling all that. >> reporter: that smell is the toxic air being emitted from the energy platforms through a process called flaring, burning the natural gas off as well as sites that are just leaking. some say this is dystopian landscape is slowly poisoning west texas. >> there was a situation down in the area where we were a lot of the gas and oil wells were leaking and sue got very sick from fumes. >> reporter: so this is what they were living with. >> right, surrounded, they were surrounded and the tanks are venting a perfuse amount this flare is just blasting hydrocarbon gases into the air. >> reporter: sharon wilson is a certified gas imaging -- simply put she takes $100,000 infrared camera around the country to monitor methane and other emissions. >> these emissions are invisible to the naked eye if the public could see this there would be no fracking boom. >> reporter: the air pollutants exceed nationally mandated standards. a recent study found methane trapped heat at a rate more than 80 times that of co 2, accounting for a quarter of current global warming but this is texas, a state where the energy companies tell the regulators how much they are polluting. >> when they flare that gas, when they burn that off it releases a lot of sulfur dioxide. it's a dangerous pollutant we've got this massive air quality problem. and the state of texas and the epa are just not monitoring out there. the reason they're not monitoring is because their formulas are dependent on population >> reporter: the permian basin is 86,000 square miles, extending from texas into new mexico, bigger than the state of kansas. there'sing on one functioning sulfur dioxide air monitor in the entire texas portion, it's right here in big spring. >> one of the two state regulators in charge of the tceq, texas commission on environmental quality declined to be interviewed on camera for this story but the agency, the texas railroad commission, did sit down with us. >> well, if you are an american out there and you say, look, energy costs are a big deal to me i'm filling my gas tank up or paying my electricity bill energy prices are one of the big things hitting my budget if i don't let people flare the cost goes up dramatically. >> reporter: it's the most profitable oil field in the world. changing economics for the entire country but at the same time it's incredibly wasteful. more gas is flared off here into the air than it would take to power all the residential houses in texas. >> it's very important, i think, for consumers to understand that any energy source produced at scale is going to have an environmental impact so that's a factor that we need to -- needs to be a part of the conversation. >> i want everybody to see this. so the oil and gas industry has been lying to the public for over a decade. they're saying that natural gas is a clean energy. you can see it's not and until they stop expanding and drastically reduce their emissions we will keep on this rapid warming trend. >> you can divide everybody involved in this into two categories, those who will engage with the public, and those who will not including in those who will not, unfortunately the regulatory agency supposed to be looking out for everybody. they sent out this pamphlet. it's useless shows you which end the flame comes out. and it's an indication of how much respect the agencies have for journalism in the age of trump. those who do want to talk about this, ryan sitten from the railroad commission and shell, shell says to nbc news in response "shell remains committed to achieving our target of maintaining methane emissions below 0.2% shell's u.s. assets will continue to contribute to the global target. while the law may change in this instance our environmental commitments will stand so another very strange place we've reached where big oil is more concerned about the environment than the executive branch. >> something similar in the auto industry on the emissions issue. call perry, great reporting. that's tonight's last word "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. tonight the preponderate on a rare visit to the west coast, his agenda remains undecided, pressure on him now because of his own words on iran. then there's the u.s. senate, a rare late shift tonight on the subject of guns. plus corey lewandowski goes to capitol hill claiming executive privilege having never worked in the white house. he made the democrats angry but that's as far as it went and the new numbers out from the nbc news poll. a measurable shift toward a candidate who has chosen hand to hand and photo to photo combat out in the wild. as the 11th hour gets under way on a tuesday night
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