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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:24:00

breathing air, and has all the freedoms that you and i have. it just didn t seem right. perhaps not. but the cops were simply stuck. the murder weapon, the confession, or an eyewitness, we didn t have any of that. so the case went cold. not much more detective kranke could do. you put it away and then let some fresh eyes look at it later on down the line and see if there s something you missed. and then a very strange development. not a police issue. but for gary, it was awful. it was a few years after the murder. gary was paying his mom s phone bill, and he noticed several calls back and forth to long beach. he dialed the number. and on the other end was janos kulcsar. would it be fair to say, it was a bit of a surprise? kind of a shock? yeah. when you found out she was seeing him again. yes. it was very difficult.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:23:15

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:23:15
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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:26:00

lost both his parents. and years passed. the silence continued. gary got married, started his own family. but the loss of his father still haunted him. he never got to see me be successful in my career. never got to see me get married. never got to be the grandfather. 17 years went by. 17 awkward christmases. detective kranke retired. but remember that fresh set of eyes he was hoping for? it was 2002 and an aggressive deputy d.a. named john lewin read about archie mcfarland. and as soon as i looked at it, i said, this guy is good for this murder. just what police thought at the beginning, of course. difference was, where some d.a. s avoid circumstantial

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:05:00

i always looked up to my dad. my dad was a really soft-spoken, easy-going yet affable guy. here they were to the outside world, an old-fashioned family. inside, secretly, something seething. it was almost christmas 1985. 5:30 a.m. archie started work early. so did gary, who was just 20 years old then. he had come into my room and he said, hey, gary, i m going to be leaving now, so make sure you get up. i said, okay, no problem. thanks, dad, love you. see you. gary showered, dressed, headed outside into a cold, dark morning. it was then he saw something odd lying on the pavement. and as i got closer and closer, i started saying, wow, that looks like my dad. and when i finally got up and then realized it was my dad, i

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220103 06:48:00

he was there working on a flat-screen tv. he was trying to put things away in a certain position like he s coming back. it s not like you have to put them back. you re not coming back. word of the arrest spread fast. first to gary, who waited 25 years. completely 100% happy. after so much time goes by you think it s a foregone conclusion, it s over. everyone moves on with life. including, of course, mary ann who moved on with janos. didn t just go to him for a little while. in fact, spent the last 20-plus years with janos, the very same man she herself once accused of killing her husband. but as it turned out, janos was the only man in her life. ever since archie was murdered. she loves janos and she does not want to believe that he s the killer. n. the summer of 2011, 2 1/2

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