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certainty and predictability. that's the best way to make business decisions. having the president make this controversial announcement, then indicate right away they may or may not be committed to it is not the kind of certainty corporate america is looking for. >> those are some of the broader impacts. what's the potential impact inside his own administration, and for his own press secretary who has to go out and defend a policy she's not sure is etched in stone? >> obviously she's in an impossible situation. i think what it does inside the white house, it's corrosive to any effort to put in place a process to make decisions. because people know that the decision making process is precarious at best, that there's never a final decision that's made and there's an opportunity to influence it at a variety of junctures or to go in and intervene with the president at the last minute. it means there's no coherent process in place and the result is you have decisions that are half-baked at best. this has a negative impact on the markets and negative impact on the broader economy and it also encourages people who would otherwise be supportive of the
president, people who a month or two ago were praising the republicans and the president for signing this tax reform bill into law, are now trashing the president because of this ill-advised trade policy. >> one of the people who is infuriated by this, as you and i have been talking to our sources about, gary cohn. jim cramer said earlier today if gary cohn walked away, that would have an even larger impact on the markets than the president's sort of announcement we saw yesterday. >> there are reports that he is thinking about it, he threatened to resign if the president went through with this. >> he's done this in the past. >> listen, that is also true. that is certainly fair. i hope he doesn't do it when the markets are open. wall street does watch what gary cohn does, whether or not you like it. i think back to moments, for example, in the fall before tax reform was done or right after tax reform was done and i saw cohn, is he leaving yet, what's going on, what's happening. all the reporting was he was
supposed to be gone well before this time. he's stuck around. the tax cut plan was a big boost for him in the internal political world but he and steve mnuchin can't be happy about this. they are getting a lot of heat from business buddies that they left behind in new york and i think that you will see this play out. i'm curious when the president's at mar-a-lago he will be talking to those friends of his down there. >> lot of feedback, no doubt. >> they have a lot of money in the stock market. what will that influence be. >> again, we started off talking about the chaos inside the white house, the fact that hope hicks, who is considered his gatekeeper, really, is leaving. we woke up this morning to these tweets, made a number of people giggle but there's a serious side to this. let me remind everyone, 5:30 a.m. the president tweeted this. alex baldwin, who is dieing, mediocre career was saved by his impersonation of me on snl. now saying playing djt was agony for him. alex, it was also agony for
there are plenty of people under fire in his administration, they would love a supportive tweet from him. there are plenty of policies he's issued in the last couple days in need of public defense. that's not what he's focused on. >> final point -- >> not exactly in a way particularly substantive. not in a way i think many people will find all that persuasive. >> final point before i let you guys go. josh, you have pointed to the fact that in addition to all of this, it's not just the staff inside the west wing. it's also his cabinet secretaries who have come under scrutiny for questions about ethics, whether it be pruitt or ben carson, who just announced he's returning a new furniture -- >> hopefully they kept the receipt. >> hopefully they did. what do you make of that? how does this fit into the broader discussion? >> one of the things that's so interesting about this, i think there's a lack of appreciation for how -- this kind of culture really does start at the top. in some ways, people who have been looking at this situation with regard to the cabinet
secretaries have indicated that maybe david shulkin is not a particularly good example for democrats to cite because mr. shulkin had obviously served at the va under president obama. he's an obama holdover. the fact of the matter is, actually david shulkin is the perfect example, because there is no way that david shulkin would have tried to take his wife on a ten-day european vacation on the taxpayer dime if president obama were sitting in the oval office. he never would have sought permission to do that and if he had he would have been turned down. if he tried to do it without permission he would have been gone by the end of the day. >> it sets the stage for another very busy friday. hallie jackson, josh earnest, thank you. great to have you here. great conversation. new york republican congressman peter king serves on the financial services and intelligence committee, and he joins me now. congressman, thanks so much for being here. really appreciate it. >> thank you, kristen. my pleasure. >> i have to start with this news that we have been talking about, the president's announcement yesterday on tariffs. house speaker paul ryan warned through his spokesman yesterday about the quote unquote, unintended consequences.
are you concerned about unintended consequences, that it could ultimately hurt industries in this country? >> yeah, basically i am not a protectionist and i believe that the small amount of steel workers and aluminum workers it's going to help, is going to be more than offset by damage done to the other industries that rely on steel. no, i think it will increase prices, hurt jobs but again, this is what the president has been saying for 30 years. that's one area where i have not agreed with president trump on. that's on the issue of tariffs. >> you think it could potentially spark a trade war, congressman? would you go that far? >> well, it can, but again, somehow these things do manage to resolve themselves. other presidents have raised tariffs and it sort of dies down after awhile. i think this -- don't ask me exactly how, but i'm sure there will be some ways made to cushion this and again, there's still time and also, congress may take some action. again, i don't support it. i never have. i think that this is -- the economy was going along well.
i voted against the tax cut because of an impact, it was definitely helping the country overall. i thought it was a plus for the economy. this could unfortunately take us in the opposite direction. >> congressman, very quickly before we move to other topics, you say there's still time. have you reached out to the president, lobbied him to change his mind before next week, when he says this is ultimately coming out? >> no. this came last night but i do intend to reach out to other members of congress today. >> okay. i want to turn now to what has been described as the chaos inside the white house this week. we know that the president is losing the person who's been described as his gate keeper, hope hicks. you were in a committee meeting with her the day before she announced her resignation, that day she acknowledged she did tell some white lies for president trump. you have downplayed that. you said hey, she was talking about business meetings, it wasn't a big deal. but how did she seem to you that day? did you have any indication that announcement was coming? >> no. i think she did an excellent job of testifying.
she was being vilified, she was being attacked. she never lost her composure. she was articulate. she answered every question about the campaign. the fact that at the end of the day, to me it shows how weak the democratic case was, after nine hours of testimony, attempting to find russian collusion, all they could get was hope hicks being as honest as anyone could be, as anyone should be, when they asked her have you ever told a lie, she said only a white lie, for instance, saying donald trump was not in when people maybe wanted to meet with him but she made a point of saying that her testimony was entirely truthful. >> congressman, let me press you on that point. let me press you on that point, though, because critics have said yes, she did use the term white lie. she couched it. but she really becomes the first trump official to acknowledge saying something that's not the truth. that's significant politically potentially for the president, is it not? >> politically, maybe politically but it was a stupid question. if i asked you, if you asked me,
if you asked anybody in the world have you ever told a white lie, of course you have. it's a matter of courtesy. you are going to tell someone he doesn't want to meet with you because you're a jerk, you say no, he's busy right now. that's what she was talking about. the fact swalwell and schiff had to rely on that shows how -- >> does it take on new meaning, though, when you serve the president of the united states? >> first, her testimony did not involve, that part of the testimony did not involve when he was president. to be honest with you, if somebody calls the white house, i have called the white house a number of times. not president trump, by the way. certainly other presidents. they say no, he's busy right now. for all i know, he's not. he doesn't want to talk to me. i don't take that as a personal offense. when she says she never told untruth in anything involving policy, involving the investigation, involving russia, to me there's nobody in the world, anyone who doesn't tell a white lie at some time, who denies that is not being truthful. that shows how honest she was
being. >> couple more topics. jared kushner's security clearance was downgraded this week. there have been mounting questions about some of his business dealings while he was in the white house. are you concerned that he's becoming a liability not only to this president but potentially to national security, congressman? >> not to national security but again, we have to see what comes out. my dealings with jared kushner, he's been totally honest, totally above board and anyone in today's world, when you have complicated international dealings, it's going to take awhile to get a security check because there's so many different involvements you could have, all of which probably are entirely legal. but again, when you have international financial commitments and are dealing with foreign countries, that's going to be an issue i think more and more as we have a worldwide economy. >> and just finally, i want to ask you about the other big issue that we have been talking about for the past several weeks, and this week again, the issue of gun reform. the president had that
remarkable hour-long open session televised live, bargaining meeting with a bipartisan group of law makers. a lot of people thought he was actually getting on board with a number of the policies that democrats embrace like universal background checks, like increasing the age to purchase some weapons, and then last night, in a closed door meeting, he met with the nra and the two seem to be on the same page. so what do you make of that, where do you think the president stands now? >> well, i give the president credit for having these open discussions. i actually am one of those who does support universal background checks. i do support a ban on assault weapons. and i think the fact the president opened these issues up, raising the age to 21 and also the fact he did put the nra on the defensive a bit, this is more than president obama did. hopefully it will amount to something. >> do you think president trump is really prepared to take on the nra, congressman? >> you have to see. he certainly did the other day at the open meeting he had.
he met with the nra last night. the nra, like it or not, is a player in all this, and having said that, i think he's gone further than anyone expected him to go and certainly further than most republicans are willing to go right now. >> congressman peter king, always enjoy our conversations and appreciate your joining us. thank you so much. coming up, job insecurity. where national security adviser h.r. mcmaster may be the next top white house staffer pushed out the door. we'll take a look at that. ♪ hey, sir lose-a-lot! thou hast the patchy beard of a pre-pubescent squire! thy armor was forged by a feeble-fingered peasant woman... your mom! as long as hecklers love to heckle, you can count on geico saving folks money. boring! fifteen minutes could save you
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another possible staff shakeup at the white house. nbc news has learned that national security adviser h.r. mcmaster could be replaced as early as the end of this month, but this morning, white house press secretary sarah sanders disputed there was any plan for mcmaster's departure. joining me now, nbc news senior national security analyst, michael lighter, former director of the national counterterrorism center. thank you so much. great to see you. >> great to be here. >> let's just talk about this and the implications of it. we know that there have been some tensions simmering between mcmaster and the president, some of them have spilled out into the public. what is the significance of a potential departure and why now, do you think? >> it's really huge. the only position that this is sort of subservient to is the chief of staff.
the national security adviser in my experience, that's one of the people who really can and has to walk into the oval office at any time and say mr. president, we have an issue, whether it's north korea, iran. you have to have a degree of trust between that national security adviser and the president. you also need to have that trust between the national security adviser and the key members of the national security council, and that's jim mattis of defense, rex tillerson at state. that's where that trust has to be. breaking that up can be very hard. >> it's our understanding this move is actually being orchestrated by the chief of staff and defense secretary james mattis. significant, or is that what you would expect in this type of departure? >> it varies. sometimes it's just the relationship with the president that's broken. in this case, there has always been a bit of tension between defense department, state department and h.r. mcmaster. h.r. has a very different style than jim mattis and rex tillerson. as key members of that national security cabinet, they have to trust that the national security adviser is being an honest
broker with whom they can work. i'm not sure that that degree of trust has always existed. >> let me remind our viewers of some of the tensions that really spilled out into the public. this was at the munich security conference when h.r. mcmaster called the russian cybermeddling, quote unquote, incontrovertible. the president fired back with this tweet. general mcmaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the russians and that the only collusion was between russia and crooked h. the dnc and the dems, remember the dirty dossier, uranium speeches, e-mails and the podesta company. how tough is it when you say something publicly and the president calls you out like that? >> this piece on russia makes it frankly almost impossible to be an honest broker as national security adviser. the fact is the entire national security apparatus inside the government, we saw it when you had the director of the cia and
director of national intelligence saying russia is doing this. when you have an occupant in the oval office that refuses to admit that and see it, it's really hard to be his adviser. >> i have had so many conversations about the fact the messages on russia coming out of the white house and other branches of government are so different. that undercuts their efforts. let me ask about the other big piece of news. jared kushner has come under a microscope this week. his security clearance has been significantly downgraded. we learned there's a lot of scrutiny over some companies profiting after they actually had meetings at the white house with jared kushner. has he became a liability and could that actually threaten national security? >> whether he's a political liability, i won't touch that one, but i think the two pieces that he's really started to run afoul of, security and standard ethics. on the ethics piece, it's exactly why we ask people to separate themselves from business interests coming in. on the security piece, in my view, once you don't have a top
secret security clearance there's no way for him to be effective in the tasks he's been given, middle east peace, engagement with mexico. if you can't see the intelligence about what the u.s. government sees and knows about these parties, you can't lead those efforts. >> we also know that according to "the washington post" at least, some countries, there is concern, were looking at ways to try to manipulate him. how could this happen? how could one of the president's senior advisers be in that role when that's happening at the same time? >> this is how all the ethics issues, business interests and security interests are intertwined. they are not independent of one another. when you have these potential business ties, foreign governments or adversaries or prospective friends see that and say this is how we can pressure that individual. that's why someone may or may not get that security clearance. that's why this process of disentanglement and coming into government and making sure that everyone knows who you are meeting with, where your business interests are, are so
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less than 24 hours after publicly embracing new gun restrictions which stunned nra allies and law makers on both sides of the aisle, president trump has reportedly changed his tune after what he called a great late night meeting in the oval office with nra officials. one of the top lobbyists who was in the room tweeted in part quote, potus and v-poet us support the second aemendment, strong due process and don't want gun control. the president's reported about-face seemingly undercuts that wheeling and dealing negotiating session he had with law makers wednesday afternoon. joining me is former democratic congresswoman donna edwards and michael steel, republican adviser and former spokesman for house speaker john boehner. thanks for being here to both of you. i want to start with you, congresswoman. what do you make of this negotiating style that we have seen from the president and the fact that he told everyone one thing in that open session and
behind closed doors, seemed to have a very different message. which donald trump do you believe? >> i'm not really sure. in fact, it reminds me of his negotiating style around daca and immigration. so i think that a lot of democrats are hopeful, but very skeptical, precisely because the president has been all over the map. >> let me read you what chris murphy tweeted. he tweeted fascinating, since i assume the president told them, meaning the nra, about the support for universal background checks, raising age for rifle purchases and protective orders he announced on tv yesterday. do you think the president's prepared to take on the nra? >> no. this is one of the really large conservative organizations that stuck with him throughout the worst times in the general election campaign. these are guys he will not walk away from. remember the president doesn't come to this debate with fixed principles. he's not had a long, consistent record on this issue. it's sort of like trailing to nail jello to the wall.
he has this position today for this audience, this position tomorrow for that audience. we have seen it on a number of issues. other than trade and a few other things, he really only has a few strongly held personally held views and so when we get to these issues that he doesn't have one, you get this sort of weathe weathervane effect and he's all over the place. >> what specifically do you think a piece of legislation might look like that passes through both chambers? >> well, i think we have seen some things that have really universal support across the country. universal background checks, fixing the information system, the data base, and this issue of bump stocks. those things at least seem to have some more broad support even among republicans, even among nra members, and so that may be a place that democrats and republicans getting 60 votes in the senate can go. >> the nra has said we don't want to legislate on bump stocks. we do support banning them
through restrictions. would they support a piece of legislation that included a ban on bump stocks? >> i think they would at least remain silent on it. you don't necessarily need a bill that has the blessing of the nra but you need a bill that the nra is not going to go after members for supporting. i think the package that the congresswoman outlined gets very much in that direction. it's something that can get done and i hope that gun control advocates don't make the perfect the enemy of the good. this is a package that can improve gun safety without alienating the nra. >> all right. i want to talk about the other big headline, yesterday the president surprised a lot of people again when he said he was planning to announce new tariffs on steel. this is what john mccain had to say. as we know, a lot of republicans were upset by this announcement. he says the president's sweeping tariffs will only serve to hurt american workers and consumers, and alienate us from our most important allies and trading partners. it's not a surprise the president wanted these tariffs. he talked about it on the campaign trail. at the same time, he sort of had
unified republicans. now this big divide again. >> right. he had a huge win with tax reform, with a unified republican party. this is an issue that splits him from the republican party, because of its pure economic illiteracy. you are already seeing trading partners including our allies threatening retaliation. i thought it was very interesting, the first thing the european union started talking about, going after kentucky bourbon and cheese from wisconsin. i don't think those states were chosen entirely at random. >> i don't think they were. pointed attacks. what do you make of the announcement and the ways in which democrats will try to capitalize on it? >> i think there are a lot of democrats including myself who actually embrace the idea of restructuring our trade agreements so they are fair to workers and fair to american consumers. here's the thing. the president may have just thrown up another trial balloon. he made an announcement to make an announcement. he didn't announce a plan and implementati implementation. >> you don't think he will
follow through with it? >> i don't know. what i do know is this shouldn't be taken as something that is in the absence of doing something real on trade to make sure that we have trade agreements that work. using it as a tool for leverage and really not punishing our allies, but going after the worst offenders like china. >> we all wait with baited breath to see what he actually announces next week. thanks so much. appreciate it. great to see you. funeral services are now under way for the reverend billy graham in his hometown of charlotte, north carolina. the president and first lady are among the 2,000 mourners in attendance for the private ceremony honoring graham's life and legacy as america's pastor. billy graham passed away last wednesday at his home in north carolina. he was 99 years old. that's my girl!
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international relations. we study international trade, international business, international finance. virtually any economist will tell you that there are no winners in trade wars. it is the ultimate non-zero sum game and the worst part is the way it bleeds over to your allies, partners and friends and shatters relationships. what else could we possibly do to get ourselves in a war with canada besides a move like this? >> okay. let me follow up with you on that point. what about china? obviously we have a very different relationship with china but the president needs china to deal with north korea, which is arguably the united states' largest foreign policy crisis right now. >> it absolutely is. and let's go back to the campaign for a moment where candidate trump was talking about 40% tariffs on china. there's an emotional kind of oh, i want to blame somebody for
problems, but that is just not good economics, and it's even worse geopolitics as you point out. look, we tried tariffs a hundred years ago after world war i. we imposed the hawley-smoot tariffs. that's what essentially cracked the global economy and created the great depression, blew apart our alliance system in the world. we need to have a measured approach using the world trade organization, there are mechanisms to address these imbalances. simply shooting from the hip with an out of the blue set of tariffs that would apply to allies, partners and friends, is bad economics and bad geopolitics. >> i want to get your take on some news we are just learning about. nbc and cnbc's investigative units are looking into a nearly one million share sale of a company that sells steel. it's the largest input cost of steel, i should say, and the sale was by a trump confidant,
carl icahn last week. it's been raising questions about potential insider trading. we want to stress icahn's filing seems to be standard operating procedure, follows s.e.c. rules. what should we make of that? >> we should be concerned any time there's even an appearance of a government official receiving some kind of benefit for himself or herself or their friends. i certainly hope that mr. icahn, who is a well-known global businessman and knows how to do his business, has dotted the is and crossed all the ts, but the appearance of this and the timing of it i would say is unfortunate. >> we want to stress there's no known connection to any type of ethical issues, but your point is it raises questions. >> it does indeed. it's all part of the fabric of our relationships both inside the country where we have less and less trust with each other, and really to this tariff point,
our relationships globally. as people see this kind of activity, it's very concerning and it's part of that concern we ought to have about how we appear overseas. >> i want to also get your reaction to what we heard from russia's president vladimir putin yesterday in his state of the nation address. he touted his nuclear weapons arsenal. he said that they have nuclear weapons that are difficult to detect. he boasted that he had a cruise missile that could essentially reach anywhere in the world. megyn kelly pressed him on that, whether or not this was bluster effectively. he stood by his claims. how concerned should the u.s. be? has the response been strong enough? >> the initial reaction, particularly when you see those hyped-up videos that look like something coming of an arcade is like this is q in the james bond movies showing you his arsenal.
but that would be a mistake. we ought to take it very seriously, because vladimir putin is a serious operator. he's smart about how he deploys information. we have known about this system coming along down the pike for five years, but this is the first time they are revealing them publicly. part of that is him throwing red meat to his base. march election coming up. but part of it is a very direct signal to us. we need to create counters and develop a strategy to deal with russia. >> admiral stavridis, thank you for your insights. have a wonderful weekend. president trump is usually quick to tweet about everything and anything. he hasn't said anything about vladimir putin flexing his military muscle yesterday. nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel is digging into the president's relationship with russia and also north korea. richard? >> reporter: it seems once again
we are all talking about nuclear weapons. we are talking in a cold war kind of language. not just with north korea, but now with russia, with that speech from vladimir putin. by the way, it's not just vladimir putin. we have heard from president trump talking about how he wants to revitalize and modernize the american nuclear program, and i think that is a lot of why we are seeing russia respond this way. so tonight, we have a one-hour special and it focuses on russia and north korea. it focuses a little bit about this blind spot that a lot of people have pointed out, why it is that the united states can't find itself, why it is that president trump and his administration can't come out, particularly president trump, and criticize russia. there were a series of sanctions that were just passed on north korea. they didn't mention russia. we went to russia to find out what we could about links, particularly smuggling links
between russia and north korea. we had been tracking a russian ship. in mid-october, according to logs we obtained, it started heading out to sea, then disappeared, probably by turning off its transponder. >> it is very likely this was a ship-to-ship transfer. similar ships, similar size, approximately same time, going to a very unusual area. >> reporter: a few days after it disappeared, the ship reappeared, in russia. we wanted to see if it was still here. we are looking for a ship. >> she will check. >> reporter: wonderful. the guard remembered seeing the ship coming into port. but when she checked the records, the ship's name wasn't on them. is there someone we can reach out to talk to who owns the ship? can we go in and see it? so we couldn't get in but at least we did confirm the ship
is, in fact, here. now we have to find a way to get to it. we did eventually find a way to get to the ship. and we captured these images. >> fascinating report. do not miss the return of the special series "on assignment with richard engel" tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up, more charges coming. who special counsel robert mueller is building a case against now. this is "andrea mitchell reports." with expedia one click gives you access to
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political analyst. pete, i have to start with you and this new information about paul manafort. what's the very latest? >> as you know, 45 minutes from now, he was to walk into the courthouse in alexandria, virginia, just across the river here to be arraigned on the new indictment that was filed there. this is the one that takes out richard gates who has pleaded guilty but it adds some new charges involving bank fraud. but because of all the high wind in washington and the fact that it's hard to get around because of all the trees blown down on the roads, that courthouse is closed today. so we don't know when that hearing will be. it will be rescheduled probably next week. in a filing precedesing the hearing, the government said if paul manafort is convicted on all the charges he'd face a guideline sentencing range, a likely sentence of 15 1/2 to 20 1/2 years. that's assuming the judge follows the sentencing guidelines and if convicted on all the charges in alexand riahe
could face 8 to 10 years. now the trial date we know has been set for the case in washington, d.c. september 17th. so what we're going to watch when the judge has the arraignment for the alexandria case is whether the judge sets a trial date and whether it's before the one in washington. the fact is the alexandria court prides itself on something they call the rocket docket. meaning they like to move cases through very quickly and the government already says, look, in terms of discovery which happens in these cases where you share evidence with the defense, they say we've already done that in the case in washington. >> and potentially facing significant jailtime there. we'll watch that closely, obviously. julia, what are we learning about the special counsel's potential, and we want to stress that word, potential case against russian hackers. >> that's right. it's potential because we know robert mueller has been collecting information from the intelligence community about
exactly how russians were able to hack into the democratic national committee and john podesta's e-mails and disseminate that damaging information about hillary clinton during the 2016 campaign. he's been gathering that. when and if he decides to issue criminal charges is really up to him. a lot of people haved so this could be like an ace in robert mueller's hands. he'll want to issue these criminal charges when he wants to pressure people, specifically any american co-conspirators to cooperate. this would be a way to be able to gain that cooperation. but we do know he's been able to gain things like the methods, the malware they used to hack into these accounts. and the special kind of tell-tail signatures they leave behind. he's got a lot of information, and he's been poking around. certainly asking about it. asking witnesses about donald trump's potential involvement in the hacking. and it seems like this could be a big feather in his cap when he gets it.
>> and we know that the special counsel likely paying very close attention to this remarkable public feud that we've seen between the president and his attorney general. how will that factor into, in the news that julia is talking about, into this broader investigation. jonathan -- >> it is a remarkable thing that the president time and time again has unleashed these broad sides against his attorney general who we all know is one of his earliest supporters in the campaign. jeff sessions committed the original sin, disloyalty when he recused himself from the russia probe last year. the president has quite honestly never gotten over it and periodically, the frustration that he feels with jeff sessions bubbles to the surface, and he takes it out on twitter or he uses the people around him about firing sessions. but, of course, that's not happened. it seems jeff sessions every so
often gets placed in the torture chamber where there's some belief hopefully the president's estimation, maybe jeff sessions would quit instead of being fired. sessions tells everyone around him that he has no desire to go anywhere. this is sort of the many ways his dream job, he really believes in the conservative principles he's put forth there at the department of justice. he has a lot of allies on the hill. a lot of allies in the right -- in the conservative media. he seems not inclined to go, and we saw this week, he had a very sort of public dinner with rod rosenstein and other justice officials just hours after the president's latest attack on him and the doj which can only be interpreted as a sign of confidence and suggesting the president like, hey, i'm not going anywhere. >> pete, final word to you. we did see a very confident, almost defined attorney general this week. why this week? why did he decide to dig his heels in, do you think, publicly at least? >> i think it was a combination of things. he finally decided to push back in the torture chamber a little
bit. partly because of the issue, partly because of, i think, the sheer numbers of them to lay down a marker. by the way, just a few minutes ooh rod rosenstein in his speech in a white collar confidenerenc white collar crime had words of praise for the attorney general following the rule of integrity at the justice department. >> comments that will no doubt get a lot of attention today. >> thank you for that great reporting. we'll have more ahead. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. it's time for "your business" of the week. rover.com has one mission. ensure your pet gets walked and watched. and now with its acquisition of its biggest competitor, it has the largest network of dog sitters in the country. watch "iyour business" weekend mornings on msnbc to find out how they're growing the puppy love and their business.
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party with republican lonely occurs describing war today so on housing key. disgraceful and shameful and with republican leaders in congress trying to distance themselves from this president and charm so all of this on t.v. we know that he likes to look good on t.v. we know that he seems to be obsessed with optics and this is actually not the first time that he backed down it was the case when he's administration implemented its policy of separating migrant kids from their of parents at the mexican border and after harsh criticism from within the republican party on this president change this policy so let's hear more from the statement that was issued
not buying this especially his explanation that their reason for this mis understanding was he nice use. negative but it will be crucial how the republican party is going to react whenever they would like to have full confrontation of what this president or not i would assume there are not interested in that because they are facing a very difficult mid-term election in november and therefore they would like to avoid and they think that would mean that they are risking a majority in congress. face a lot of criticism for the helsinki summit in the first place he faced criticism for the way he performs yesterday he's going to get more for doing this about face is this a tool damaging to. yes i think so i think that the damage has been done and i think that this president seems to have lost his credibility
most blacks in south africa live in townships like this one. of the letter is hoping to have barack obama's visit here to show the world that south africa is still a developing country the feeling of yes we care it was like. everybody to get you can use the same applies to nelson mandela. around ten thousand people listen to obama speech in a stadium in johannesburg. the tickets were free of fierce managed to get one fellow came to embody the universal aspirations of this disaster people all around the world. the hopes for a better life. and the hopes shared by many here a fear says obama is a man after his own heart especially when he speaks about dashed hopes. it is
a plain fact that racial discrimination still exists in both the united states and south africa that the accumulated disadvantages of years of institutionalized depression have created yawning disparities. that as has inequality has to be eliminated once and for all he hopes that obama uses his political clout to how tough africa achievement. is hear more from journalist definite divest he's an associate editor at business insider south africa and joins us from johannesburg welcome to day w. what else i could you tell us about to president obama's message today there's one clip that i see is getting love attraction to both united states and some it's the countries with strong flavors of white it's a let's accept that that is a bomber say we need to be open minded in our politics we need be open minded to talk to people we disagree with maybe they change on their minds maybe they change
our minds and the one trip specifically says it's not that we can say that some people don't understand me to talk on issues just because they are white and just because they are male they can't talk about some issues and it's interesting to see how that is on both sides of the ocean that seems to be quite a popular sentiment one of the more popular clips coming out of that speech today. and during this this speech we didn't have to look very far for references to mr obama's successor as us president let's just take a look at a clip you have to believe in fact. i would argue that there is no basis for cooperation. if i say this is a podium and you say this is an elephant. it's going to be hard for us to cooperate . for divestment in johannesburg where there are many trump references
they were very very very fences not all of them that plenty of schools obama spoke about xenophobia and the rise of nationalism that certainly sounded like a race against to some of the from overseas and he spoke of our state needs and of our politicians used to at least be ashamed when they were called lying and now on so much and he spoke about the rise of the strongman and the the age of the strongman coming back all of there are certainly i think too many people sounding like a reference as to trump but not if it directly attacking donald. let's hear some more from of the former u.s. president on some disquieting similarities between south africa and the united states it is a plain fact that racial discrimination still exists in both the united states and south africa. i and it is also a fact that the accumulated this advantages of years of institutionalized
oppression have created yawning disparities of income and wealth and education and health and personal safety and access to credit. this is where you're supposed to those of us outside south africa who have such hopes for you this is one hundred years since nelson mandela was born in the twenty's since he stepped down as president how have life chances of black south africans changed. certainly not enough i think that's universally recognized that. a lot of black south africans have not improved at all and underlying that sense of almost wiped it out today he said to that it's quite astonishing that this day and age he has to stand up and they say and i think he meant this to both the united states and south africa that people of poland equal and that they have the same in a vehicle rights when they are all in and that this does not seem to be accepted yet in south africa so to me we have that undercurrents though off racism we still
have whites dominance of many industries and many professions we have a land question which is being fiercely debated at the moment because land reform has not be nearly fussed enough since the advent of democracy and these phony problems that seem to have no immediate solution. so if mr obama himself what is his appeal what sort of appeal does he have amongst south africans is an extremely popular figure apps universally popular figure in a way that not even nelson mandela is anyone else in mandela now is seen by some and sold out push the film session far enough when he was kala barack obama on the other side is just shining in comparison donald trump he is inspirational before his speech parts of that problem is chauncy yes we can yes we can that same sort of
youth oriented he won't keep politics in the united states is something that i think still resonates in south africa years a strong powerful but lacking leader who charted a new coals for his country these are all things that south africans really enjoy seeing even if it is outside of our own unique it all it was good talking to thanks for joining us for the vets from a business insider south africa. well. nelson mandela to young people across africa well beyond your means to that. sound. is. healthy enough in my career i've been told my feet.
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would leave it at that but i mean. i. united nations migration agency says almost fifty one thousand migrants of cross the mediterranean to europe so far this year that's less than half the number who made that dangerous journey during the same period last year despite the reduction in numbers plenty of people still dream of a new life in your state or lose family fish are reports from tunisia lots of people who failed to make the crossing ones haven't given up trying but for others there is no second chance. hardly anyone visits this place on the tunisian coast others sent here are doing so women children and young men they
drowned in the mediterranean chasing an uncertain dream a dream off life in europe their stories lie buried with them in these makeshift graves no names no identities no headlines across from the sea over there in europe the focus has shifted from whole to help migrants to how to keep migrants here. he wants to give them dignity sham citizen is a fisherman here near to tourist hot spot of saturday's he has buried the remains of three hundred people to stop the crossings europe has proposed the creation of so-called disembarkation platforms in north africa they are migrants would be able to apply for asylum. isn't impressed. with the machines europe doesn't care about these people whether they're alive or dead building reception centers isn't a solution instead europe should give people the wealth that was stolen from them.
a beach near december tree this is where fisherman discovered the washed up bodies . wanted to find them before the local children i'm on my way to a nearby migrant center were some of those rescued to find temporary refuge there i meet the desha from the democratic republic of congo four months she was a sex slave in libya she tells me only so. when they discovered that i was pregnant they let me go. oh no i don't want to stay here engine is here i want to go to europe. tunisia has no functioning asylum system and it has to not only deal with migrants passing through but also with increasing numbers of its own youth who dream of a brighter future these young men died trying to reach italy would in seven thousand tunisians try to cross the mediterranean last year while it was one of
them he invites me to his home to share his story. and hurt them of a man. is no hope here. nor alive it's all the same we don't have any jobs future nothing in this country kills our dreams that's why i want to escape the. well survive several boat accidents in the mediterranean but he's undeterred he wants to try again. if i stay here in tunisia i have zero hope. in europe so i had least have a chance to hit the. but europe doesn't want to take the migrants like well so who exactly is responsible for those rescue at sea. we have to stop treating migrants like hostages and using them as political leverage we have to stop treating them as a tool with which to get money from europe and we have to be humane with them and
guarantee them no rights or freedom of movement. tunisia's government has repeatedly said it does not want to be the gate keeper for migrants trying to reach europe caught in limbo thousand see trying to lock on the mediterranean as the only option despite the dangers. european union and japan have just signed a trade deal that will create the world's biggest open economic area the economic partnership agreement is huge come into effect next year around six hundred million people across both markets it's the e.u.'s biggest ever trade agreement and moves nearly all of the trade tariffs between the two regions. a grand found fare for an historic agreement. as the e.u. and japan signed the world's largest ever trade deal in tokyo.
to those of you japan's economic partnership agreement is a landmark moment for go with the if we used together economy is that the cone for the third of the world's g.d.p. and home to over six hundred million people. the talks got off to a difficult start and took a full four years but as u.s. president donald trump ratcheted up the protectionist rhetoric over the last one and a half years the negotiators set about sealing the deal in double quick time. money again they. are apparently rising concerns about protectionism globally. within this context and i believe it is extremely meaningful that japan and the e.u. are sending a message to the world about the importance of free and fair trade or more like the here and. japanese automobiles currently face ten percent e.u.
import tariffs they will now be completely done away with for the europeans the food industry is the big winner of the deal it will now be much easier for e.u. producers to export cheese chocolate and me to japan a nation of prosperous consumers. expects food exports alone to jump by at least one hundred eighty percent that'll create new jobs and boost g.d.p. . the message to washington is loud and clear you build walls you lose and that free trade is a win win for all participants. of world's biggest let's get more from daniel windsurfer leader of the business welcome daniel. why they've done this well i don't know phil if you know the name of the elephant in the room but his name is donald trump and his protectionist policies as these two partners the e.u. and japan feel more and more strange from washington i'm worried about the protectionist rhetoric coming out of and in fact he adds dire now direct action
from donald trump that clubbing together they're finding opportunities together and if you look at it from a purely economic perspective from the e.u. side you know japan is a major opportunity because they're like the fourth biggest economy in the world and the only the seventh biggest export partner of the e.u. so there is work to be done and that's why they set about making this trade so everyone can make some money what difference is this going to make in my life well i don't know about your life specifically phil but the theory goes that by boosting e.u. exports to japan by a third which is what the plan is more money is going to flow into the e.u. ok and that could go into your pocket of the pocket of tax man to improve infrastructure in the e.u. or whatever it might be at the moment six hundred thousand jobs inside the e.u. depend on trade with japan we're expecting more jobs to be created as a result of this because the trade towers come down we sell them or we can raise more jobs again. and i've been hear you talking about this that and i mentioned at
the start the show this is the cheese deal why well basically i mean that the tariffs are coming down across the board it's not just cars and cheese but that's where each side stands to gain the most so japan has a very developed car industry but they really want to have access to the e.u. market to sell their cars into the. you now that ten percent tariff is gone they'll be able to do that much easier now looking at it the other way round the e.u. wants to sell its consumer products like its agricultural products into japan at the moment for example there's a forty percent tariff on cheese going into japan it's a big opportunity for farmers in the e.u. to sell more of their stuff abroad the car thing is quite interesting because of course the japan huge car exports are but then so is the european union that's right well we're seeing more of a comparative advantage there what what does japan do better than for example germany becoming a factor does well japan is very good at highly efficient production lowering the
cost and they'll be able to sell their mid price and low price cars into the european union but what germany does really well as a massive car manufacturer they make luxury cars which the world wants to buy so the likes of diamond b.m.w. they're looking forward to getting access to the japanese market so there is there's advantages to both sides the way you view yourself and sort of the way that very similar this is this is a good thing and everyone's got a world where it still has to be ratified by both sides is there likely to be opposition well we have seen opposition even kind of coming out of nowhere in the past when it comes to the seated deal for example between the e.u. and canada wallonia a region inside belgium that noted which no one had heard of they put kicked up a fuss and put in their veto which overrode what the parliament in belgium wants to do so with seats there was lots of negotiations drilling down into that and now
it's only we've seen have come out against seem to say that they're worried about what will happen to their farmers and their protected agricultural products within within italy and that has already gone through the entire mill so whether these kinds of traps lie in the way for the e.u. japan deal we have to see what regions kick up a fuss so very briefly. in fact let's leave it at that that you will find your way into the detail the visit was very much. now the date is may be tough but as ever the term cover station continues on live the fight is on twitter the iraq news or up to the if we had to use the hash tag for the day have a good. time to cut. a good. move.
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a say or brecht's that since residents could not vote liberated affect us that he and some fifteen thousand other islanders will lose their passports should london come up short in its bid to secure a good breaks a deal and will its residents worry that they will be among the biggest losers and will ensure that hadn't a chance to participate in the backseat and that no other people should decide and one state but then britain has been. increasing homemaker managing with other anglo is it fair to us. that mean we have no say because if you take the economy i'm going to take the budget up angle it has to be approved by england so we are just puppets in the end the whole thing yet another ways britain is less involved since hurricane devastated last september many homes still lie in ruins the state's coffers are empty and the plan. struction is funded by the e.u.
neighbors in the caribbean just why many here would rather be a part of the european union than of britain in the in. the last. year of his closing its doors to refugees and migrants trying to cross the mediterranean but that doesn't stop people trying to make the dangerous journey by sea. thousands are waiting for that chance and thousands have died trying. hardly anyone visits this place on the tunisian coast others sent here are doing main so women children and young men they drowned in the mediterranean chasing an uncertain dream a dream off life in europe. he wants to give them dignity shamsi dean is a fisherman here near the tourist hot spot of sadducees he has buried the remains of three hundred people. to stop the crossings europe has proposed the creation of
increasing numbers of its own youth who dream of a brighter future these young men died trying to reach italy what in seven thousand tunisians tried to cross the mediterranean last year while i was one of them he invites me to his home to share his story. and hurt them of in the. hope here the dead nor alive it's all the same we don't have any jobs or future nothing in this country kills our dreams that's why i want to escape the. well survive several boat accidents in the mediterranean but he's undeterred he wants to try again. if i stay here in tunisia i have zero hope for more had been in europe i had least have a chance to hit the tunisia's government has repeatedly said it does not want to be the gate keeper for migrants trying to reach europe caught in limbo thousand see
trying to lock on the mediterranean as the only option they spy the dangers. born during a war to mothers who were raped often rejected and all too often still forgotten the children of the bosnian civil war now their children no longer and they want their voices to be heard. twenty four year old i know usage was conceived when a crow at soldier raped her mother during the war in bosnia growing up after the conflict without a father surname was enough to mark ajna as an outcast. yet the class project children born of war aren't recognized as victims of war in bosnia and that often leads to discrimination. and i just see programs going so that's a source of the most common problem these kids face during their upbringing is with
a result. many rape survivors kept the assaults and their children's paternity a secret women like alina. after my child was born i hate her because i was afraid i thought someone would take her away or tuck or kill her. alaina who asked to speak anonymously was twenty three when an enemy soldier raped her she didn't tell her daughter but she learned the truth from her mother's police report that she discovered by chance. i know i know to tell you since you find out is how she was conceived my daughter has been driven by rage rage against society rage because she is an outcast. they swept us under the rug as if none of us has ever happened they denied it when we showed ourselves they only talked about us when they needed something like our votes when there are elections. but for now
voices like i knows are the only ones breaking the silence about bosnia's invisible children. is the state doesn't want to talk about it somebody needs to that's why i feel responsible if i've started something i need to see it through to the end it's the only way to finally achieve peace after all that's happened. to. us president donald trump's so-called zero tolerance policy has separated more than two thousand migrant children from their families as they attempted to cross the u.s. border. following a storm of criticism that practice was reversed but the scars from deep. the lucky few reunited after months of not knowing whether they'd ever see their children again. and for others even this moment soon turned to heartbreak after being separated for so long as some parents had their children didn't even recognize them
. dr lucy is one of many pediatricians warning of the damage these separations may have caused already. she told me extreme stress from such an experience can result in lifelong health problems the younger they are the more vulnerable they are so we see changes in their stress hormones you see changes in their brain development the long term that also can manifest as mental health illnesses so p.t.s.d. anxiety depression kids who've experienced toxic stress actually have a higher risk of suicide as they get older than the change in the hormones actually causes physical changes in their body so an increased risk of heart disease of diabetes of liver problems increased risk of cancer so why are migrants from central and south america willing to take their chances on exposing their children to this kind of future i think these families would say that they didn't have a choice i have patience a mom who told me that her ten year old son was asked to join
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, warning donors to avoid giving to the koch's powerful donor network, they announced they will no longer support only republicans running for office, groups who claim to support conservatives forego commitment when they decide business interests are more important than those country than party. unacceptable, end quote. joining us to discuss james davis spokesperson for the koch network, mr. davis, great to have you here. >> thank you. paul: what is the philosophy of the koch's and the donors towards political giving, how do they decide who to support? >> sure, we've always been policy first and we advanced a lot of really good policy, working with the partisan coalition that's not nearly been enough, what we said we have to look beyond partisan coalition and look at how we advance good policy because despite the advances on tax reform, the va
reform and good judicial appointments, we still have been saddled with $1.3 trillion spending bill, we are still separating children and families at the border, we don't have a solution for dreamers, health care is still soaring, sky high in prices and, you know, we've got to do so much more. we are looking at how do we remove barriers that are holding people back and we are willing to work with anyone of any affiliation to solve those problems. paul: okay, so you are looking across the aisle, looking at members at both parties based on principles and policies not on partisanship. but here is what a lot of republicans will say, okay, look, the kochs care about economic growth and spending and free markets and lower taxes, if the democrats and nancy pelosi become house speaker, democrats take over the house and the senate, you're not going to get any of those things, so aren't you working against your own interest if you hurt the republican party in the fall?
>> we are not saying that we are going to support any politician that doesn't uphold to these values, what we are making clear is that we've got to elevate and raise the bar on what is acceptable. if we don't change the incentives for our elected officials and hold them accountable to bridge the divide and work together, we are going to see lack of progress and one example of where we've done that, again, very issue specific, not electoral focused but issue specific is on dodd-frank regulationory reform. if you like at hedi heitkamp and we believe that it's important to say thank you when that happens. paul: right, but let's talk about that north dakota race because kevin kramer, the republican that you criticized him, charles koch has on trade and spending, on the other hand, he voted for tax reform that
hedi heitkamp opposed. how do you balance interest when you make up your mind on who to oppose? kramer has been on the right side and so does heitkemp. >> and so for he, -- for heidi heitkemp we ran ads to support, she didn't, reran ads holding her accountable for not supporting tax reform and we see that across the board and that's what we are going to have to do issue by issue, doesn't mean that we will short hedi heitkemp, what we are looking at them neither one elevate and meet the standards of what it takes to be a champion and a leader and so hopefully by elevating what is required for candidates to get our support and changing those incentives we will see more people step up and do the right thing instead of
looking at the short-term focus of, you know, the next election and look at the long term interest of what's best for the country. paul: in a race like that you must just say we are going to sit on the sidelines and indivorce neither candidate, is that right? >> that's right. neither candidate is leading in champions on this issue. paul: let's look at the big picture, how often do you endorse, save, senate democrats, can you recall democrats that you have endorsed in actual campaign? >> no, on the federal level we have honestly worked a lot closer with partisan coalitions and worked a lot closer with republicans but what we are saying if there's candidates or elected officials we are happy to meet with you and talk about what it takes to change trajectory and eager to listen to your ideas and if you lead, we will be there to support you.
we are looking for leaders who are going to solve these problems and moreover we are looking for folks that we can work with even if it's on a one-off basis, we don't have to support you on everything to make progress on one thing. that's something that washington clearly doesn't get. paul: going back to question democratic copying is that going to promote principles that you folks believe with across the board or not? if you believe in lower spending you will not get it with democratic house, i can tell you that. i don't know that democratic house is going to be better than a republican house on that. >> what we are doing is putting incentives for people to step up on the issues because whether you're a republican or democrat we have seen lack of courage to lead, we have seen tremendous amount of spending under obama administration but even the all-republican controlled congress and republican white house this time passed a $1.3 trillion spending bill, we
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politicians have a hard time disagreeing with donald trump because they can pay a price at the polls or republicans, the kochs have freedom just as you do as columnist. >> first amendment, right. paul: they can say what they believe. and i think by standing up and saying what they believe they are actually creating space to have a debate about some of the important issues within the party. >> yeah, look, i think it's insane to do this before the midterms. the goal of a party is to get 50% plus 1, right, in an election, the kochs are traveling on the trump train about 80% of this, it's their money. there's always tensions between groups who have issues in the party and the party wants majority, the other groups want little more purity and the problem is if you're one of these groups whether you're the nra or koch brothers or pro-life group they always say would you have a democrat, they are worse, the democrats have the same goal with their groups, you know, planned parenthood, they are open to republicans who are pro-choice but people say would
you rather have a republican in there, occasionally if you're one of these groups, i think you have to take someone down or let be taken down to be serious or not taken for granted. the koch brothers are spending a lot of money to support brett kavanaugh, his nomination, why you wouldial -- would alienate someone like that? they have pretty good record. paul: steve bannon, dan, piled on afterwards and said to republican candidates, if you take koch money there will be punishment. that was his word. bannon wants to remake the republican party to protectionist party into an immigration restrictionist party, not just illegal but also legal immigration, really cut it down, and i think this is the fight in many ways for what the republican party believes in.
>> yeah, it is, and what we are doing here is getting mixed up between partisanship, the party, and ideological beliefs, the koch brothers are fundamentally an ideological organization not a partisan organization, most of the time that corresponds with the republican party but since the trump presidency some of the splits have become evident as steve bannon trying to create a trumpian party. sure, he's entitled to do that, but in the next 3 months between now and november, i mean, you have about 25 republican house seats on there that are not safe, they are on the bubble and they have got to decide for themselves whether they are going to align themselves with steve bannon or whatever it takes to get them reelected and control -- hold control of the house of representatives. >> i think the reaction of donald trump is very much related to the problems he's having with his trade policy. i mean, he is getting incredible pushback from within inside the republican party about the problems that the farmers are
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dropping to 3.9%, so what does this mean for the economy as a whole let's bring back deputy editor dan henninger, and columnist bill mcgurn and mary o'grady. so mary, you saw the job's report. little more -- little lighter job creation but still pretty strong. >> well let me say at onset, everything is okay, we are doing fine, we are still in sweet spot but the job's number was disappointing a little bit below what the expectations were, labor participation is still below 63%, we've been hope to get that higher and there's a lot of focus on the fact that wages are up, wage gains 2.7% but let's remember that those -- those are nominal wage gains. in real terms wages are flat over last year and a lot of that, i think, can be explained by rising healthcare costs which become more and more part of the conversation. and i think that what we are
seeing here is a real problem, again, with donald trump's trade policy, not only because of the trade policy but because that's where he's spending all of his political capital instead of fixing other things. paul: may-june numbers were raised 59,000, so the average so seventh year of economic recovery is more than that. it's really very good. >> on average 2, 20 over -- paul: that's good. >> it's very good -- paul: from 2016 and '17. >> yes, i agree, but what i would say is, again, the numbers are disappointing and let's remember that we are running into headwinds here because interest rates are going back up and we have the tariffs coming which, you know, i think donald trump feel like, hey, i announced tariffs were going up and nothing happened therefore i can do more and i think the repercussions of what is going to happen as these tariffs hit the economy haven't been
factored in yet and when they are you run into some problems. paul: that's the question of audience, i get it emails all of the time, if trade is so dangerous as a policy, so damaging, then why is the market not going down and why is the economy strong, your reply? >> i'm saying a lot of effects haven't hit yet. in the first half of the year exports, they rushed them to the docks to get them out of the country so that they could beat the -- the retaliation that were getting hit with in europe, in méxico, in canada and in china and as that starts to actually sink more into the economy, i think you start -- you're going to start to feel it in the job's numbers and in wage numbers and that's important to wall street and the market. paul: the president had truce with europe, bill, he's working on a deal trying to get one with méxico and canada. if he did that and then china was the only trade feud, can the
economy kind of plow through that? >> yeah, i have a slightly different take from mary, i share her concerns, this is good news, we are in an economy where the growth is 4.1, higher than unemployment rate, only in the times that i lived in hong kong did i enjoy something like that. [laughter] >> the good economy sort of gives cover a little bit to hide some of the costs and i agree that the full costs have not been yet felt, if you compare to bush deal tariffs in 2002, much worse economy, the pain was much sharper because you could see it. who knows, maybe the tariffs knock off a few points on the growth, we don't really know, unfortunately that's -- i think it's giving coverage to the idea that there are no costs and i agree with mary and i think we
will see them later. it's good news for what we have, the dark side that it may give excuses for more and the tariffs. paul: dan, you have been arguing that trump should use the economy, strong enough and grown enough that he ought to run on it and instead of some of the other issues and stress what's going on in the economy? >> well, he's running on it. i've watched two huge rallies he's had recently and midst the 70 or 80 minutes which he talks there's a lot about the economy and there should be. the question is should the republican candidates themselves be doing it and i argue that is the single thing that they should be con -- concentrating on. the economy is booming after 8 years of torture in obama years. they rolled back regulations, liberated the american economy, but i think there is a flag flying out there and that is trump has died today use tariffs, try to force changes in
the chinese economy and the simple question is, is this tool, the tariff war right tool to change the chinese because they just this week said they would retaliate with tariffs on over 5,000 american goods. there's a risk factor no question built into this. >> a game of chicken, paul. paul: and somebody loses. >> right. paul: thank you all, still ahead a look at midterms election has new poll indicate that is trump may be losing support in the battleground states of the midwest. booking a flight at the last minute doesn't have to be expensive. just go to priceline. it's the best place to book a flight a few days before my trip and still save up to 40%. just tap and go...
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that's auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call. paul: president trump set to campaign in ohio to support dropped 40% helping democratic candidates take a sizable lead for the upcoming midterm elections, three polls show 36% of registered voters in michigan approve of the president's job, performance and other 36% in wisconsin, you -- give the president a thumbs up a state he won by 36,000 votes and in minnesota approval rating at 38%. what do these falling numbers mean for the president and republican candidates this november? the president and ceo of the group ed, ed, welcome. >> thank you, paul. paul: these numbers don't look good if you're a republican in the midwest, what do you think is going on there?
>> well, they are and they aren't. the key thing is turnouts, we are not seeing a great deal of shifting in terms of party id. we are seeing kind of the traditional, intensity gap being the party of the white house, if you look at 2010 obama had a 10-point gap in 2014, 11-point gap, 2006 we had an 8-point gap, right now the gap is running 7 points nationwide and the democrats are more intense and what you will see in the races including the race coming up in ohio next week is that the intensity is real issue, is not that voters are deciding one direction or the other, it's one side or the other is more intense and they'll turn out in larger margin and that makes difference in campaign. paul: right, if you look at the real clear politics average of the president's approval rating nationwide is about 43, 45% now,
so in the mid western states which, you know, you have republican governors and two of them, and you've got a former republican governor tim running again for governor in minnesota, those numbers are 5, 6, 7 points lower than national average. how do you explain that in the upper midwest? >> well, it's just the make-up of the electorate if you will. oneone of the things we had to o when trump came in because it was a different environment and different factors come to play quite frankly is we start going a step beyond approval that none of the polls are doing, we look at those that -- if you look at nationwide, the president has about 31, 32% but hard-core base, he has another 12, 13% that are mainly republican frankly and they like his policy but don't particularly like his
persona, but pu priority on policy and that that's where you get job approval nationwide into 40's, there's another 11 or 12% that are more internal revenue dependents soft republicans and soft democrats that also have this, they like policy but not persona and put priority on persona and those are the ones that answer that they're not -- they don't approve of the job he's doing but when you ask them specifically him on taxes, him on the economy, him on jobs, him on foreign affairs, that's where you see the measurements going up over 50%. paul: okay. >> that's what all campaigns are having to deal with. if the focus on policy, he starts getting not only 40% but to 50%. paul: okay, but what do you think about the strategy which steve bannon and some of the white house now and maybe even the president want to go ahead with to put trump's persona front and center in this race, to stay a steve bannon did this referendum on donald j. trump
and you're either with him or against him. is putting that him at the center of the election a smart strategy for congress? >> not -- not with what the numbers that i'm seeing. you know, again, i think one of the things we did see, there was a period of time where the intensity gap june of last year was at 13 points. when he is stirring the pot of his base and getting their intensity up, that's going to be helpful in the off-year election. what we don't know is very much like obama was during his -- his off-year elections that you saw him able to move the intensity of the african-american vote up but if he wasn't on the ballot they didn't turn out. so i think we all know on both sides of the equation know that this is a fight over intensity and turning out your vote not just back and forth. i would say that to have a bigger opportunity to get a
larger number of voters, focusing on his persona is exactly the wrong thing to do. the right thing is to go after the policy. paul: focus on the results so far and what you will do in next two years if you keep a republican congress. >> absolutely. paul: let's talk about this ohio special election. on tuesday, it's replacing a republican who resigned his seat, it should be a republican district, it's around suburban and rural counties but, yet, polls show it's a dead heat, how do you read that? >> well, i will take a couple of things, one is we have suburban women, not turning democrat but not being intense about participating in the election, so i think that is part of the fact or, but, again, this is more of trump, this is -- this district before tea berry was represented by john kasich, this
is not going to be a race about trump or not donald trump, a race about turnout and who does a better job turning it out. the one thing i always say and we talked about this before in years past, they call it special because for a very good reason, it is special, there's a tremendous amount of money that's being spent by both sides in the special election and it comes down to not moving voters but turning out voters and i think what we are going to see on tuesday is who does a better job turning out those voters and that's where a visit from president trump can have a big impact on the turnout because he raises the intensity of our key voters to turn out. paul: thank you for being here. we will watch closely on tuesday, appreciate it. still ahead democrats line up against supreme court come knee brett kavanaugh while the media wants access to his e-mail, do we have a new high court judge by the midterms, we discuss
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>> there's a lot of doubt in this world when it comes to brett kavanaugh. i have zero doubt he will be on the supreme court before the end of october, he's highly qualified, well deserving, we are going to break the back of every democratic effort to stop this good man from being on the supreme court. the president could not have chosen better. he's going to get confirmed with democratic votes. paul: strong word from republican senator lindsey graham, supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh upcoming con confirmation battle promising failure for any democratic opposition. this as associated press goes on fishing expedition for work emails of judge kavanaugh's wife ashley hope to dig up who knows what as town manager for the village of chevy chase, maryland. so, bill, what do you make of
where the kavanaugh battle stands? >> yeah, i'm with senator graham, look, there's an effort as senator hatch said for the democrats who have gone mad to take brett kavanaugh down, but, look, i -- i look at elizabeth warren's attacks on this. i remember ted kennedy, elizabeth warren is no ted kennedy. it has this feel that they're going through the motions and the reason for that is that the weak spots on the republican party in the senate rand paul seem to be solid whereas on the democratic side, a lot of the senators running in trump states are under a lot of pressure, each heidi heitkam is meeting with kavanaugh. i think he gets 52 points. paul: what about document demand
fights, mary, chuck schumer said you have to turn every document when he was in white house, turn over every document when he worked in stark campaign. we will turn over a million or so but we won't turn everything. >> archives said that they wouldn't be able to get that by the end of october and, of course, that's the strategy, if you can't produce all these documents then the people like the red state democrats will be able to say, well, you know, the process isn't complete and so try to drag it out and, of course, get it into the lame duck or even next year. and so this is going to require a lot of leadership on the party of lindsey graham and chuck grassley to say, look, we are going to draw the line here because we will get this done. paul: dan, is there any -- any substance to the request by schumer saying, he's saying there's a cover-up, you're not
turning over all the documents of staff secretary but i remember when kagan was come nateed, we insist on getting documents from elena kagan and barack obama said, no, why because that's too important to executive deliberation in the executive branch over, you can't have insight into that have kind of discussion because you'll never be able to have open discussion again. they didn't turn over documents, something similar here for republicans in. >> there's something similar, that sounds like the high road what's going on is definitely the low road. let's try to be clear about what's going on, this is about basically two members of the u.s. senate, senator susan collins of maine and senator lisa murkowski of alaska. the democrats are looking somehow in those documents millions and millions of
documents for a smoking gun to hit brett kavanaugh with. they have not come up with a gun so far and i don't think susan collins or his a murkowski are going on a wild goose chase on behalf of nothing and if nothing is produced the republicans and should fight back against producing that many documents, you know, having forced mitch mcconnell to blow up the "nuclear option" so that you only need a majority of votes in the senate, the democrats are going to remain on the losing side of this battle over brett kavanaugh. paul: the thing that that makess works so far for kavanaugh is kavanaugh's credentials. >> yeah, 12 years of judicial opinions, 11 cases where supreme court backed him. paul: that makes hard to attack him. you have to go somewhere else, you have to attack his character, his wife's record chevy chase, whatever they're looking for.
and, you know, the american public says basically make -- >> the republicans are going win, dan is exactly right, this is a fishing expedition. if you look at the letter that grassley sent to schumer it's scathing and accusing the democrats of bad faith, you guys are asking for the documents and so many of you come out you're opposed before the documents, this is not good-faith effort, effort like mary said to delay it and past elections so that the democrats running in tough trump states don't have to take a stand. paul: mary, do you think he will be confirmed by october 1st? >> i do not but i do think he will be confirmed before the -- before the end of the lame duck. paul: not before the election. >> sorry, before the election. paul: i think he gets confirmed before the election. when we come back local newspapers quickly going extinct, could your tax dollars be used to prop up local
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media group and they would in theory do local reporting. paul: could you be a vlogger? >> you could. i think it's kind of funny that it's university administrating this given that have terrible record on free speech on campus. none of them have green rating for the foundation of individual rights and education, in addition we have seen kick student columnist for using the term illegal immigrant, we have reporter that you shouldn't use the term step up, people might not be able to step, that's the mentality going into this. paul: so what you're saying as opposed to determining who gets the grant, the idea is that the politicians will say, see, this is independent commission, what you're saying the commission
itself will have people with agenda. >> progressive bias. paul: even if it was conservative bias, would you really want a bunch of professors to determining what the conservative -- where the money should go? >> in addition to that, i mean just skeptical that journalists can really push accountability for government when the government is paying their paycheck. paul: you know, bill, you live in new jersey and get some of your taxpayer money back. [laughter] >> it's not enough to have a terrible economy and a terrible tax rate, we need our own little profits as well. the reality is that this isn't about empowering news, there's definitely problems with papers dropping but there's other ways to get news, there's access all of the time to the town councils and so forth on tv. this is about fueling an agenda you look at the free press, the group that's behind this, social
justice warriors, they hate the corporate media, their ideal is npr and so forth, it's kind of like giving acorn or whatever it's name is today -- paul: political activists. >> they're saying they are going to create new apps, but read it closely, it's pretty clear what this is. paul: tan, -- dan, let me ask you, we have been in this for a long time, i worked in paper in michigan and the other bought and there's problems in community holding politicians accountable because if you don't have that local reporting you don't have people making sure that the city council isn't corrupt and so on. we know that places like trenton, corrupt, albany, corrupt, we can pick any number of state capitals. >> california. paul: if you don't have enough people watching, how do you
maintain any honesty in democratic government? >> i think it's a legitimate question, paul, there's something mysteriously powerful of front page of newspaper, a newspaper stays on corruption story and i'm not sure the web would fill that gap easily. having said that, what's going on is a long complicated story, i should say people talk about how digital advertising and the web have taken advertising from print publications, look, paul, a lot of the big-city newspapers were moving left long time before the web and, they were abandoning or moving away from readership, subscribers declined and now we are at a point because of the rise of digital advertising and the web where it is a real possibility some of the biggest cities in the country will have not a daily newspaper to cover the local political class, that is a problem, public journalism isn't the answer. paul: what is the answer? do you guys are any solutions, any possible -- new possible
business models that could emerge, what about nonprofits in some of the financing journalists? what do you think? >> i'm a fan of the nonprofit model than the state sponsored model. there's a lot of transparency about where the money is coming from and the political agenda behind it. the worst-case scenario is having a university act as gate keeper for state funds for journalists that are to be accountable. paul: you get a bradley foundation financing some -- some local reporters to be able to -- to hold people accountable, what about business model coming back where people could actually make some money again because, you know, let's face it, if you make money as a journalist, more independence. you're not depending on others. >> on a grant. yeah, look, the entire industry is working that out, right, as i said there are alternatives now. there's the community access tv where you can watch these
things. i don't feel that i'm ignorant of what's going on in my town. now, we do have a town paper. but i see these other things also different groups promote their own issues on facebook and so forth. so if there's a hot issue, a lot of people do know about it. this is, again, the idea that you're going to fund people to hold yourself accountable is just crazy. paul: all right, we have to take one more break, when we come high protein to help get us moving. and help you feel more strength & energy in just 2 weeks. i'll take that. ensure high protein, with 16 grams of protein and 4 grams of sugar. ensure® wfeeclaritin and relief fromwsy and 4 grams of sugar. symptoms caused by over 200 allergens. like those from buddy. because stuffed animals are clearly no substitute for real ones. feel the clarity. and live claritin clear.
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sign. i can see this spreading to other countries but i want u.s. feminists to look at this in a different way. i actually think is pretty flattering to women that there is a danger within a work sign. >> a miss to the ivy league. this week seven other ivy league is joined harvard defending against a lawsuit by asian-american students saying that harvard emphasis on diversity, the way they interpret it means less qualified black, latino and white are admitted over more qualified asian americans. the one thing i agree they say that if the suit is successful, it will be a change in college admission. i say a father of three asian americans i hope so. >> dan? >> and mr. google after news emerged they would return to china with a search engine that will abide by the chinese government 's very severe censorship rules per this the same google which last month said it would not share his knowledge about artificial intelligence with the u.s. defense department. let's see if i understand this.
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$1.3 trillion spending bill, we know that we have to push both parties to do the right thing and not sideline on individual parties. this is not a binary choice, how do we drive members of congress and those who want to seek our support to do the right thing on the issues for the american people and help them improve their lives. paul: all right, thank you, davis, i appreciate you being here. coming up, president trump calling out the koch brothers for refuse to go support some republican candidates, what effects dispute have on midterm elections next. over 75 years of great savings and service. you can't argue with more. why would ya? geico. expect great savings and a whole lot more.
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against strong borders and powerful trade. i never sought their support intaus i don't need their money or bad ideas, they love my tax and regulation cuts, judicial picks and more, i made them richer, network is highly overrated. i've beaten them in every turn, they want to protect their companies outside the u.s. from being taxed, i'm for america first and the american worker a puppet for no one. two nice guys with bad ideas. so with two major gop powers currently feuding, what does this mean for the future of the republican party. let's ask columnist dan henninger and bill mcburn and mary anastasia o'grady. dan, what do you think president trump is on assault with the kochs? >> picked somebody to have a fight with so that it reflects well on him and animates his base. donald trump is all about that base.
let's talk about that, despite what the kochs paul is not a minor event, i think it is a warning shot across american politics, as spokesman said they don't see as binary choice but the trump people think it's his way or the highway and on the left progressive it's their way or highway, increasing number of americans are starting to drop out the binary choice and what the koch brothers are doing, some of it a mistake, but i think we are going to see much more of this sort of thing, substantial things within the two parties withdrawing from the kind of binary choice that they're being forced to make. paul: well, we know, mary, republicans aren't in a very tough fight to hold congress, okay, so you need all the allies you can get? [laughter] >> right. paul: why would you get in the fight with one of the biggest donor networks out there? >> brian hooks, charles koch
deputies said that the trump administration is engaging in things that are divisive and damaging for the long term and that really hit a nerve with donald trump maybe because it's true and charles koch came up, there's been a lot of divisiveness before donald trump but that's what dan is referring to with respect to the base, that's what the real risk is here. all the kochs are saying on immigration, trade and fiscal deficit we want to stick with core values, free market, welcoming immigrants, legally, and basically controlling federal spending and some of these people who donald trump is defending and want the kochs to go along with are very much on the other side of the arguments. i think that's an important place to draw the line. paul: important place because in particular, bill, i agree with mary on this because the kochs
unlike a politician, right, politicians have a hard time disagreeing with donald trump because they can pay a price at the polls or republicans, the kochs have freedom just as you do as columnist. >> first amendment, right. paul: they can say what they believe. and i think by standing up and saying what they believe they are actually creating space to have a debate about some of the important issues within the party. >> yeah, look, i think it's insane to do this before the midterms. the goal of a party is to get 50% plus 1, right, in an election, the kochs are traveling on the trump train about 80% of this, it's their money. there's always tensions between groups who have issues in the party and the party wants majority, the other groups want little more purity and the problem is if you're one of these groups whether you're the nra or koch brothers or pro-life group they always say would you have a democrat, they are worse, the democrats have the same goal with their groups, you know,
planned parenthood, they are open to republicans who are pro-choice but people say would you rather have a republican in there, occasionally if you're one of these groups, i think you have to take someone down or let be taken down to be serious or not taken for granted. the koch brothers are spending a lot of money to support brett kavanaugh, his nomination, why you wouldial -- would alienate someone like that? they have pretty good record. paul: steve bannon, dan, piled on afterwards and said to republican candidates, if you take koch money there will be punishment. that was his word. bannon wants to remake the republican party to protectionist party into an immigration restrictionist party, not just illegal but also legal immigration, really cut it down, and i think this is the fight in many ways for what the
republican party believes in. >> yeah, it is, and what we are doing here is getting mixed up between partisanship, the party, and ideological beliefs, the koch brothers are fundamentally an ideological organization not a partisan organization, most of the time that corresponds with the republican party but since the trump presidency some of the splits have become evident as steve bannon trying to create a trumpian party. sure, he's entitled to do that, but in the next 3 months between now and november, i mean, you have about 25 republican house seats on there that are not safe, they are on the bubble and they have got to decide for themselves whether they are going to align themselves with steve bannon or whatever it takes to get them reelected and control -- hold control of the house of representatives. >> i think the reaction of donald trump is very much related to the problems he's having with his trade policy. i mean, he is getting incredible
pushback from within inside the republican party about the problems that the farmers are having, the problems that manufacturing is having, so he's already on the ropes on this and now he's confronted by the kochs, that's why he exploded, i think. paul: when we come back president trump to raise tariffs on china, how do we expect china to respond and what does this mean to the american economy? ♪ motorcycle revving ♪motorcycle revving ♪ motorcycle revving ♪ no matter who rides point, ♪ there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. ♪♪ and just like tyrone taylor, they know what it takes to help keep you protected. are you in good hands? guys,but you've got sto be strong.st remember janet? she got cash back shopping with ebates
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released latest job's report showing the unemployment rate dropping to 3.9%, so what does this mean for the economy as a whole let's bring back deputy editor dan henninger, and columnist bill mcgurn and mary o'grady. so mary, you saw the job's report. little more -- little lighter job creation but still pretty strong. >> well let me say at onset, everything is okay, we are doing fine, we are still in sweet spot but the job's number was disappointing a little bit below what the expectations were, labor participation is still below 63%, we've been hope to get that higher and there's a lot of focus on the fact that wages are up, wage gains 2.7% but let's remember that those -- those are nominal wage gains. in real terms wages are flat over last year and a lot of that, i think, can be explained by rising healthcare costs which become more and more part of the
conversation. and i think that what we are seeing here is a real problem, again, with donald trump's trade policy, not only because of the trade policy but because that's where he's spending all of his political capital instead of fixing other things. paul: may-june numbers were raised 59,000, so the average so seventh year of economic recovery is more than that. it's really very good. >> on average 2, 20 over -- paul: that's good. >> it's very good -- paul: from 2016 and '17. >> yes, i agree, but what i would say is, again, the numbers are disappointing and let's remember that we are running into headwinds here because interest rates are going back up and we have the tariffs coming which, you know, i think donald trump feel like, hey, i announced tariffs were going up and nothing happened therefore i can do more and i think the repercussions of what is going to happen as these tariffs hit
the economy haven't been factored in yet and when they are you run into some problems. paul: that's the question of audience, i get it emails all of the time, if trade is so dangerous as a policy, so damaging, then why is the market not going down and why is the economy strong, your reply? >> i'm saying a lot of effects haven't hit yet. in the first half of the year exports, they rushed them to the docks to get them out of the country so that they could beat the -- the retaliation that were getting hit with in europe, in méxico, in canada and in china and as that starts to actually sink more into the economy, i think you start -- you're going to start to feel it in the job's numbers and in wage numbers and that's important to wall street and the market. paul: the president had truce with europe, bill, he's working on a deal trying to get one with méxico and canada.
if he did that and then china was the only trade feud, can the economy kind of plow through that? >> yeah, i have a slightly different take from mary, i share her concerns, this is good news, we are in an economy where the growth is 4.1, higher than unemployment rate, only in the times that i lived in hong kong did i enjoy something like that. [laughter] >> the good economy sort of gives cover a little bit to hide some of the costs and i agree that the full costs have not been yet felt, if you compare to bush deal tariffs in 2002, much worse economy, the pain was much sharper because you could see it. who knows, maybe the tariffs knock off a few points on the growth, we don't really know, unfortunately that's -- i think it's giving coverage to the idea
that there are no costs and i agree with mary and i think we will see them later. it's good news for what we have, the dark side that it may give excuses for more and the tariffs. paul: dan, you have been arguing that trump should use the economy, strong enough and grown enough that he ought to run on it and instead of some of the other issues and stress what's going on in the economy? >> well, he's running on it. i've watched two huge rallies he's had recently and midst the 70 or 80 minutes which he talks there's a lot about the economy and there should be. the question is should the republican candidates themselves be doing it and i argue that is the single thing that they should be con -- concentrating on. the economy is booming after 8 years of torture in obama years. they rolled back regulations, liberated the american economy, but i think there is a flag flying out there and that is
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paul: these numbers don't look good if you're a republican in the midwest, what do you think is going on there? >> well, they are and they aren't. the key thing is turnouts, we are not seeing a great deal of shifting in terms of party id. we are seeing kind of the traditional, intensity gap being the party of the white house, if you look at 2010 obama had a 10-point gap in 2014, 11-point gap, 2006 we had an 8-point gap, right now the gap is running 7 points nationwide and the democrats are more intense and what you will see in the races including the race coming up in ohio next week is that the intensity is real issue, is not that voters are deciding one direction or the other, it's one side or the other is more intense and they'll turn out in larger margin and that makes difference in campaign. paul: right, if you look at the real clear politics average of the president's approval rating
nationwide is about 43, 45% now, so in the mid western states which, you know, you have republican governors and two of them, and you've got a former republican governor tim running again for governor in minnesota, those numbers are 5, 6, 7 points lower than national average. how do you explain that in the upper midwest? >> well, it's just the make-up of the electorate if you will. oneone of the things we had to o when trump came in because it was a different environment and different factors come to play quite frankly is we start going a step beyond approval that none of the polls are doing, we look at those that -- if you look at nationwide, the president has about 31, 32% but hard-core base, he has another 12, 13% that are mainly republican
frankly and they like his policy but don't particularly like his persona, but pu priority on policy and that that's where you get job approval nationwide into 40's, there's another 11 or 12% that are more internal revenue dependents soft republicans and soft democrats that also have this, they like policy but not persona and put priority on persona and those are the ones that answer that they're not -- they don't approve of the job he's doing but when you ask them specifically him on taxes, him on the economy, him on jobs, him on foreign affairs, that's where you see the measurements going up over 50%. paul: okay. >> that's what all campaigns are having to deal with. if the focus on policy, he starts getting not only 40% but to 50%. paul: okay, but what do you think about the strategy which steve bannon and some of the white house now and maybe even the president want to go ahead with to put trump's persona front and center in this race,
to stay a steve bannon did this referendum on donald j. trump and you're either with him or against him. is putting that him at the center of the election a smart strategy for congress? >> not -- not with what the numbers that i'm seeing. you know, again, i think one of the things we did see, there was a period of time where the intensity gap june of last year was at 13 points. when he is stirring the pot of his base and getting their intensity up, that's going to be helpful in the off-year election. what we don't know is very much like obama was during his -- his off-year elections that you saw him able to move the intensity of the african-american vote up but if he wasn't on the ballot they didn't turn out. so i think we all know on both sides of the equation know that this is a fight over intensity and turning out your vote not just back and forth. i would say that to have a
bigger opportunity to get a larger number of voters, focusing on his persona is exactly the wrong thing to do. the right thing is to go after the policy. paul: focus on the results so far and what you will do in next two years if you keep a republican congress. >> absolutely. paul: let's talk about this ohio special election. on tuesday, it's replacing a republican who resigned his seat, it should be a republican district, it's around suburban and rural counties but, yet, polls show it's a dead heat, how do you read that? >> well, i will take a couple of things, one is we have suburban women, not turning democrat but not being intense about participating in the election, so i think that is part of the fact or, but, again, this is more of trump, this is -- this district before tea berry was
represented by john kasich, this is not going to be a race about trump or not donald trump, a race about turnout and who does a better job turning it out. the one thing i always say and we talked about this before in years past, they call it special because for a very good reason, it is special, there's a tremendous amount of money that's being spent by both sides in the special election and it comes down to not moving voters but turning out voters and i think what we are going to see on tuesday is who does a better job turning out those voters and that's where a visit from president trump can have a big impact on the turnout because he raises the intensity of our key voters to turn out. paul: thank you for being here. we will watch closely on tuesday, appreciate it. still ahead democrats line up against supreme court come knee brett kavanaugh while the media wants access to his e-mail, do
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>> there's a lot of doubt in this world when it comes to brett kavanaugh. i have zero doubt he will be on the supreme court before the end of october, he's highly qualified, well deserving, we are going to break the back of every democratic effort to stop this good man from being on the supreme court. the president could not have chosen better. he's going to get confirmed with democratic votes. paul: strong word from republican senator lindsey graham, supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh upcoming con confirmation battle promising failure for any democratic opposition. this as associated press goes on fishing expedition for work emails of judge kavanaugh's wife ashley hope to dig up who knows what as town manager for the village of chevy chase,
maryland. so, bill, what do you make of where the kavanaugh battle stands? >> yeah, i'm with senator graham, look, there's an effort as senator hatch said for the democrats who have gone mad to take brett kavanaugh down, but, look, i -- i look at elizabeth warren's attacks on this. i remember ted kennedy, elizabeth warren is no ted kennedy. it has this feel that they're going through the motions and the reason for that is that the weak spots on the republican party in the senate rand paul seem to be solid whereas on the democratic side, a lot of the senators running in trump states are under a lot of pressure, each heidi heitkam is meeting with kavanaugh.
i think he gets 52 points. paul: what about document demand fights, mary, chuck schumer said you have to turn every document when he was in white house, turn over every document when he worked in stark campaign. we will turn over a million or so but we won't turn everything. >> archives said that they wouldn't be able to get that by the end of october and, of course, that's the strategy, if you can't produce all these documents then the people like the red state democrats will be able to say, well, you know, the process isn't complete and so try to drag it out and, of course, get it into the lame duck or even next year. and so this is going to require a lot of leadership on the party of lindsey graham and chuck grassley to say, look, we are going to draw the line here because we will get this done. paul: dan, is there any -- any substance to the request by
schumer saying, he's saying there's a cover-up, you're not turning over all the documents of staff secretary but i remember when kagan was come nateed, we insist on getting documents from elena kagan and barack obama said, no, why because that's too important to executive deliberation in the executive branch over, you can't have insight into that have kind of discussion because you'll never be able to have open discussion again. they didn't turn over documents, something similar here for republicans in. >> there's something similar, that sounds like the high road what's going on is definitely the low road. let's try to be clear about what's going on, this is about basically two members of the u.s. senate, senator susan collins of maine and senator lisa murkowski of alaska. the democrats are looking
somehow in those documents millions and millions of documents for a smoking gun to hit brett kavanaugh with. they have not come up with a gun so far and i don't think susan collins or his a murkowski are going on a wild goose chase on behalf of nothing and if nothing is produced the republicans and should fight back against producing that many documents, you know, having forced mitch mcconnell to blow up the "nuclear option" so that you only need a majority of votes in the senate, the democrats are going to remain on the losing side of this battle over brett kavanaugh. paul: the thing that that makess works so far for kavanaugh is kavanaugh's credentials. >> yeah, 12 years of judicial opinions, 11 cases where supreme court backed him. paul: that makes hard to attack him. you have to go somewhere else, you have to attack his character, his wife's record
chevy chase, whatever they're looking for. and, you know, the american public says basically make -- >> the republicans are going win, dan is exactly right, this is a fishing expedition. if you look at the letter that grassley sent to schumer it's scathing and accusing the democrats of bad faith, you guys are asking for the documents and so many of you come out you're opposed before the documents, this is not good-faith effort, effort like mary said to delay it and past elections so that the democrats running in tough trump states don't have to take a stand. paul: mary, do you think he will be confirmed by october 1st? >> i do not but i do think he will be confirmed before the -- before the end of the lame duck. paul: not before the election. >> sorry, before the election. paul: i think he gets confirmed before the election. when we come back local newspapers quickly going
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administrate it, you can apply for grants, news room nonprofit media group and they would in theory do local reporting. paul: could you be a vlogger? >> you could. i think it's kind of funny that it's university administrating this given that have terrible record on free speech on campus. none of them have green rating for the foundation of individual rights and education, in addition we have seen kick student columnist for using the term illegal immigrant, we have reporter that you shouldn't use the term step up, people might not be able to step, that's the mentality going into this. paul: so what you're saying as opposed to determining who gets the grant, the idea is that the politicians will say, see, this
is independent commission, what you're saying the commission itself will have people with agenda. >> progressive bias. paul: even if it was conservative bias, would you really want a bunch of professors to determining what the conservative -- where the money should go? >> in addition to that, i mean just skeptical that journalists can really push accountability for government when the government is paying their paycheck. paul: you know, bill, you live in new jersey and get some of your taxpayer money back. [laughter] >> it's not enough to have a terrible economy and a terrible tax rate, we need our own little profits as well. the reality is that this isn't about empowering news, there's definitely problems with papers dropping but there's other ways to get news, there's access all of the time to the town councils and so forth on tv. this is about fueling an agenda
you look at the free press, the group that's behind this, social justice warriors, they hate the corporate media, their ideal is npr and so forth, it's kind of like giving acorn or whatever it's name is today -- paul: political activists. >> they're saying they are going to create new apps, but read it closely, it's pretty clear what this is. paul: tan, -- dan, let me ask you, we have been in this for a long time, i worked in paper in michigan and the other bought and there's problems in community holding politicians accountable because if you don't have that local reporting you don't have people making sure that the city council isn't corrupt and so on. we know that places like trenton, corrupt, albany, corrupt, we can pick any number of state capitals. >> california. paul: if you don't have enough
people watching, how do you maintain any honesty in democratic government? >> i think it's a legitimate question, paul, there's something mysteriously powerful of front page of newspaper, a newspaper stays on corruption story and i'm not sure the web would fill that gap easily. having said that, what's going on is a long complicated story, i should say people talk about how digital advertising and the web have taken advertising from print publications, look, paul, a lot of the big-city newspapers were moving left long time before the web and, they were abandoning or moving away from readership, subscribers declined and now we are at a point because of the rise of digital advertising and the web where it is a real possibility some of the biggest cities in the country will have not a daily newspaper to cover the local political class, that is a problem, public journalism isn't the answer. paul: what is the answer?
do you guys are any solutions, any possible -- new possible business models that could emerge, what about nonprofits in some of the financing journalists? what do you think? >> i'm a fan of the nonprofit model than the state sponsored model. there's a lot of transparency about where the money is coming from and the political agenda behind it. the worst-case scenario is having a university act as gate keeper for state funds for journalists that are to be accountable. paul: you get a bradley foundation financing some -- some local reporters to be able to -- to hold people accountable, what about business model coming back where people could actually make some money again because, you know, let's face it, if you make money as a journalist, more independence. you're not depending on others. >> on a grant. yeah, look, the entire industry is working that out, right, as i
said there are alternatives now. there's the community access tv where you can watch these things. i don't feel that i'm ignorant of what's going on in my town. now, we do have a town paper. but i see these other things also different groups promote their own issues on facebook and so forth. so if there's a hot issue, a lot of people do know about it. this is, again, the idea that you're going to fund people to hold yourself accountable is just crazy. paul: all right, we have to take one more break, when we come back hits and misses of the week. ♪ motorcycle revving ♪motorcycle revving ♪ motorcycle revving ♪ no matter who rides point, ♪ there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. ♪♪ and just like tyrone taylor, they know what it takes to help keep you protected. are you in good hands?
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shot and killed by police in this country this year which is eight more than at a same time last year which "the washington post," i get to write have been keeping tally for several years now. 109 of those have been black men who have been unarmed. that's disproportionate given our population in this country and it is 2.5 kpiemtimes greate us than it is for a white male in this country. that is what the players are protesting and those of us in the media once again we have couched this as an an ththem protest and in fact it is against police brutality. that's what the players are disturbed about and the fact that they can't get their message out. it becomes an issue of the way we and the media characterize this narrative. >> phillip, let's talk about
this and whether it is the nfl or whether it is these charges by omarosa or the immigration fight. if you are a republican in a tight race, what do you make of all of this and can you avoid these very -- not just very tough questions and actually let me take that back. these should not be tough questions, how do you handle these and can you avoid answering for what is i think a critical moment in american history about who we are as a country? >> yes. and our values as a country and what presidential leadership is because this president have said nothing. >> you know he's led in the other direction, right? >> exactly. she's stoking some of these divisions. there is a lot of endangered house republicans incumbents in
suburban districts. those candidates do not want the election to be about cultural issues or the nfl protest. they don't want the election to be about taking children away from their parents at the border. president trump sees those issues as a way to motivate his base and voters. he thinks it works for him for 2016 when he won the presidency against all odds and he thinks it is going to work for him this november and maintaining the house and senate. the congressional leaders they want this election to be about the economy and tax cuts and sort of kitchen table issues that that matters to these voters. >> beyond 2016, last year the president at least seemed to have seen something with his response to what happened in charlottesville that have informed the way he behaved since then. al year ago tomorrow was sunday i guess, the unite right rally
show america and racism and bigotry and violence. a woman lost her life and this was donald trump's response in the days afterwards. >> we are closely following the terrible events unfolding in charlottesville, virginia. we condemn in the strongest possible terms, this display of hatred and bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. >> i think there is blame on both sides and i have no doubt about it. >> he chose not to denounce the n neo-nazis or white nationalists, did he pay a price? is the lesson for him he can say those things and not pay a price? >> well, chris, these are the issues i take of my new book of what truth sounds like. i addressed the fact that donald trump drawn tremendous support
in regards to either complicity through silence or out hand embrace by him by these right wings so called alt-right groups. the mainstreaming of richard spencing and other people slicked back haircuts and nice crisp suits that articulate a nas nas nasty ideology that's as old and bigotry itself. people lambasted him of bigotry. those who oppose racism are no better than those racist themselves. he has not suffered the consequences for that. paul ryan and mitch mcconnell, they stood by and allowed trump
to go full blast of this and not saying any words. the republicans in this country is reprehenceable. >> and you have omarosa turned political aid, a white house official. this is what she writes in her new memoir. we gotten a copy here. "three sources in three separate conversations had described the contents of this tape, they all told me president trump had not just dropped a single "n" word bomb, he said it multiple times throughout the show's taping particularly during the first season of "the apprentice." moments ago we got words from sarah sanders, this book is riddled with lies and false
accusations." how worried are the white house about this? they are wor >> they're worried about the book after all. they'll see omarosa will be recounting at her time at the white house and about being fired from the fire house. there could be more to come. it is a concern of the white house if this narrative takes hold and as she portrays president trump being racist and being unfit for the job of president. remember a year ago when michael wolf's book fi"fire and fury" ce out, that was a troubling period for the white house, they spent as few weeks to speak back the narrative and i don't think they did successfully. they would be in the same situation of omarosa's book. they have been trying to keep
the president from tweeting about it. >> i got to ask you phil, what do you think the chances are the president after some point after she goes on "meet the press" on sunday and "today" show that he will not stop tweeting about it. phil ruck >> chances are i don't think he'll be able to refuse himself. >> phil rucker and michael. thank you. >> thank you on msnbc will share a story a man dedicating his life to helping others, watch "breaking hate" at 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. we'll continue this conversation throughout the hour including a humanitarian crisis. a federal judge made a plan to turn around and stop deportation and sharply criticized president trump's ill congratulatimmigrat. >> major developments in the trump's campaign trial. we are watching an unusual
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what they called an unusual recess. we don't know what it is about. with me now is julia ainsley and former u.s. attorney guy lewis to handle both of it for us. julia, let's start with this unusual recess, what's going on and what do we know? >> we are in about 2.5 hours recess. a few times both parties did approach the bench and talked to the judge. he called about an hour recess and came back and asked the jury a few questions and went on a 2.5 hours recess. the question he asked the jury are important though. he asked over and over again, are you sure you are following my instructions not to talk to each other or anyone else about this case. they said yes. he continued to repeat that advice. a few people start to speculate, could there be a juror that's
tampered with and did not follow instructions. with this, you should be able to have a long lunch, it is not something he would do if he's going to individually question these jurors. i saw manafort's legal team across the street and they just smiled and of course, they could not comment. if reheaded to a mistri-- we ar to a mistrial, everyone would gather. everyone seems to be qualm. something unexpected came up in another case on this judge's do docket. he did say i have other cases besides yours. it could be something important that judge alex is handling. if they move to a witness when we reconvene, that's it. it seems like we are moving
ahead as normal. if there is something else we'll be running out of the court and telling you immediately. >> i have no doubt about that. it is interesting those statements were made are you sure you are following my instructions and obviously there is some level of concerns about whether or not they are not. what do you make of this recess, do you think it is likely something just as simple given the demeanor of the legal team, nothing more than he had done? >> this is a judge who said over and over hurry up, let's go and let's go. and so to tape an extended recess is very unusual and then to repeat the instruction os of the jury. are you talking to yourself?
o i think somebody reported whether the court's circuit court officers that one of the jurors have had some conversations or said something that lead them to say hey, i got to report this to the judge. >> oh boy, while we wait again. they're supposed to come back about 25 minutes from now, anna. i want to ask you about the manhattan adam, testifying right now. she's a close ally. she was handling his scheduling and he would deck tate e-mails to her and she was the gate keeper to roger stone. what she tells me that she was not doing this in those key perio periods leading up to the election. prosecutors think she got something extremely interesting
to say. she met with prosecutors and rushed to a full week later before speaking to the grand jury. they want to lock her in and get her testimonies on the record. things are moving quickly of this grand jury. >> what do you make of that and what do you think may be happening here? >> just when you thought this case could not get any stranger or bizarre. >> and the manhattan madame. >> and i agree with the analysis, listen, they ju just - the mueller team just eninte interviewed her last week voluntarily and came in on her own. they're putting her in the grand jury this week. she says something and she provided some information that they do want to lock in under oath in the grand jury, they're moving very, very fast which in my view is unusual for this kind of case. i believe it is something certainly important in what is a
russia collusion probe. >> all right, guy, anna, and thank you to both of you. julie ainsley keep us posted on the manafort's recess. we are waiting to hear. we'll talk about the immigration crisis, a judge ordered a plane carrying a deported mother and daughter to salvador to turn around. immigration actions did not stop there. he threatened to hold jeff sessions in contentive court.mh sessions in contentive court.oh sessions in contentive court.he sessions in contentive court.he sessions in contentive courtivp. what's the #1 new skincare product in 2018? olay whips. absorbs faster than the $100, $200, and even $400 cream. feels amazing. i really really love this. i will 100% swap up my moisturizer. can i have it? olay whips.
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let's bring our msnbc jacob soboroff, he's been following migrant families for months now. >> and our radio talk show, is with us as well. >> jacob, what can you tell us the mom and the daughter that's deported and landed in el salvador in the middle of this proceeding. >> it was unbelievable to follow le th this in realtime. i talked to the attorney in this case as the mother and the child were en route from texas to el salvador landed and stayed on the airplane, a government chartered airplane that's used by i.c.e. to deport people and flew back. i want to tell you about carmen and her daughter. despite the asylum claim of fleeing two decades of sexual abuse by her husband who
routinely raped her. those are the vast majority of people that are coming to this country to seek asylums. he does not want to come and pass a credible fear interview if they are able to stay here. >> joshua, we have a federal judge threaten the attorney general, the highest foreign officer in this country for contempt over the administration. how did we get here? is this by design or bad planning. >> remember a large part of donald trump's campaign had to do with some of the earlier policies of his administration and had to do with immigration. it is one of the big legal frontiers that his administration have been trying to advance on behalf of supporters. that was the whole travel ban case is about. that's partly of what this case
is about. whether or not the department of justice can be compelled to present a plan that's able and finally resolve the matter of these families. one of the recent conflicts in court that the aclu should take the role. the judge was not digging that. no, you created this, you need to fix this. it is by design in a sense. the question is whether or not the design was simply to separate the family and the government ever contemplated. >> tlas plhere is a plan now. >> they said this was supposed to be deterrent. they were not shy, they said they hope this would keep people coming from the country and now we have a situation, jacob of more than 2500 children were separated and 559 of them are not with their parents, 365 parents with children are
deported and out of the country. what are the chances that these 559 kids ever get back with their moms or dads? >> well, the most challenging scenario here are the 365 that we know already deported. the government said yesterday they have no idea where 26 of them are. no contact information. today somehow what number is down to five. let's just put in perspective here. there was no plan and there would not have been a plan had the judge had not ordered to be a plan for the government to reunite the remaining, what it originally would have called ineligible children and parents. the vast majority of those folks were and are, i guess ineligible because they have been kicked out of the country before the unification were able to happen. you got four different cabinet level agencies, department of homeland security and department of justice and as well as the state department who are involved trying to get these folks all back together.
we should hear later today in a court hearing exactly how they plan to do that. two months after we got inside the facility there in brownsville, i am not going to hold my breath that this is going to happen in a rapid scale. >> or logical or non-chaotic. >> one immigration issue, joshua that has been on the mind of the president and he's been tough on it is what he calls, chain migration, it is family based migration. let me just remind people what he has said about that. >> chain migration is one of the disasters. >> chain migration is a disaster. a disaster. a total disaster, we have to end chain migration. we have to end it. >> so we bring this up of course, joshua because yesterday the parents of first lady melania trump became citizen of this country. they came through the system
known as family you know occasiunification, that's the same system that the president wants to end. >> first of all, congratulations to be the united states citizen. . it is a matter where he's quite the beneficiary. in the scheme of things the chain migration thing is more of a political talking point as you play the tapes at rallies. >> as if there is no hypocrisy and having your in-laws goi going -- by the way, normally this is done on a friday, they went in privately on a thursday and got here citizenship and legally and we congratulated them and welcome to this country. i think they're 72 years old or 74 years old. seems like nice people. while he's saying no, that's not the way it should be and i wonder jacob because you're talking to these folks all the
time, what is the reaction been on the ground for people who are fighting this battle every single day to see this incredible disconnect? >>. >> it is just a series of continual disconnect. the president says one thing and does another regards to family unifications as they referred to it. same thing of what's happening down the border, the president has the perception and talking point of what he says down on the border, it is a constant war zone and drugs are pouring in. we know none of that is the case at least in the way that he represents it. and, you know again it is just time after time the perception of the president, the statements from the president verses the reality of what life is like down on the border or with the immigration system are not in line. that's just -- simple as it is. >> jacob soboroff, i know you will keep us posted on the mom her daughter. >> joshua johnson, thank you so much for being on the program.
>> thanks chris. we are watching the courthouse in alexandria where manafort's trial is in that unusual recess. we'll keep you posted on what we learn why this recess happened. >> and democrats are not backing nancy pelosi. >> the best way to show your opposition for the president, vote for a democrat, we got the debate. ...by just calling or going online to geico.com. (harmonica interrupts) (sighs and chuckles) sorry, are you gonna... (harmonica interrupts) everytime. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance.
. right now we are keeping a close house in alexandria, of the trial of paul manafort's. this is an unusual recess according to legal officials. we got a note from our producer if the court. he says at the beginning of the recess, the judges' clerk came in and grabbed a jury board, it is a big board that the court uses to call the roll. no word of what the recess is about. this recess should be over in about five minutes and we are reminding folks that the report we got julia ainsley, he was reminding jurors if they are following instructions which means they don't talk outside
the case. meantime, nancy pelosi, is facing a civil war of her own. more than 50 democrat candidates who now say they would pose pelosi as house speaker. here they are. let's take a look. 51 candidates, nine or incumbents already in the house and running for election. the other 42 are newcomers. nominees who have not yet served in the house. it is happening of an already ominous speaker. she's the favorite punching bag for republicans running for congress. take a look. >> for vote for paul davis is a vote for nancy pelosi. >> after lying the whole campaign, dishonest, ocon scribner admits he voted for pelosi. >> thank you, nancy pelosi and connor lamb are still opposing your tax cuts.
lamb called it a complete portrayal. >> pelosi says this is arm armageden. >> joining me now, our former director of the new york state, baas si basil. all those that race is too close to call. there was this reason nbc and wall street journal poll, nearly half of us are less likely to support a congressional candidate who backs pelosi for house speaker. is this a real problem? >> it is definitely a problem if you are running and you saw what happened to joe crowley and you are like all of what we thought was happening could happen, the paradigm have shifted now. if i am nancy pelosi, i would say you can run against me if
you want, i am the punching back, i am used to it. what happens is how you get there. if there is no credible contender to her and all of this sort of kind of watch away and it happened in the past and she has -- political retribution on people who challenged her. >> if i am her, if you need to run against me to win, go ahead and do it. >> shermichael, if this is what you need to win, go ahead, run against me. you will need 218 votes. 50 is not 218. having said that, is this an effective strategy on the republica republican side? >> no. absolutely. any time nancy's pelosi pelosi'
mentioned, it worked. a lot of people believe that nancy pelosi is some what detached from many of their values and a lot of republicans go back to the affordable care act and if we pass a bill, we'll fine out what's in it. >> let me ask you this, does it matter what the person they are running against thinks of new eastern span nancy pelosi? does that stop you from running against her? >> well, no, i personally don't think so, i think on the democratic side, they have to do what conner lamb did in pennsylvania. they have to run races that are targeted of their congressional district. as we saw with cortez, that message does no t resonate with a lot of portions of america. >> pelosi, she's well-liked. people think she's a good organizer and she's been in the
leadership since 2007 and broken a lot of barriers. she raised nearly $660 million for democrats since 2002 when you can make the argument who's there to replace her, right? >> right. >> so maybe is the concern about, you got a big step first, are the democrats going to win the house? if they do, is a threat to nancy pelosi is over stated? >> i think it is. if we win the house, i think she will be fine. if we don't win then i would think she's in trouble there. a lot of it depends on who's contending for r tthe seat. if joe crowley was there or king jeffery, i don't know if he's running against really talente folks coming through. >> do you know that? >> i don't know that. there are talented people waiting in the wings. if we lose this house, she's in real jeopardy.
basil, it is good to see you. >> shermichael, thank you. >> we don't know what it is and we know some actions have taken place in the last couple of hours or so of the manafort's trial. we are trying to figure out is this something significant of this trial, we'll have it for you. still to come, the only way for republicans to save the gop is to defeat the gop. what that may mean for the midterms in november. believe that♪ ♪something's got a hold on me, yeah♪ ♪oh, it must be love ♪oh, something's got a hold on me right now, child♪ ♪oh, it must be love ♪let me tell you now, oh it must be love♪
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except to leave the courtroom. that's what they'll do when we figure out what caused this delay. meantime, never trumpers fighting to take back the republican party for president trump may be facing a hard reality this november. former george w. bush speech writer put it bluntly this "the washington post." the only way to save the gop is to defeat it. the strategy? republicans should vote for democrats in the house, but remain loyal to republicans in their senate races. he writes, house democrats, quote, will be a check on the president without becoming a threat to his best policies. the tax cut will stand. the senate will still approve conservative judges. but the house will conduct real oversight hearings and expose both russian influence and administration corruption. back with me, sher michael singleton and basel schmeichel. the struggle is? >> it's real, it's real. >> would you advocate voting for a democrat?
>> absolutely, i agree with everything that was written in that column. >> really? >> yes. i'll tell you why. there is a reason there is a separation of brar separation of branches. we do not have a king in the white house, although donald trump would like to see himself as one. >> some leaders of certain committees in the house believe there is a king? >> again, that is a problematic. there is a naacp poll released i believe this past tuesday that indicated, and they looked at 61 competitive districts that indicated an overwhelming majority of african-americans, hispanics and asia americans belief the president is inciting race relations. you thought ohio 12 was competitive. imagine the direction of many of those districts. it's not going to look good for republicans. so i agree. it's worth risk losing the house, i would say, and maintaining the senate so that there can be that check on the white house, which is what the founding fathers intended. >> yes, they did intend that. there is no doubt about it.
let me make the counterargument, because basel is nodding. the counterargument is this. i think especially for two men of color who are still fighting, right, fighting every single day for the right for people of color to be able to go to the polls freely and the way that also the founding fathers intended are suggesting that you don't vote necessarily for the person that you think is the best person on the ballot. if you are not in one of those districts where you have one of those republicans who is doing everything the president wants him to do, is not doing their constitutionally mandated job, but it's somebody who is a legit man or woman who is doing a good job, who you like, and/or you really don't like the democrat, are you really suggesting, would you suggest the reverse that they not vote for that person? >> you know, from a democratic standpoint, no, i would suggest they vote for a democrat because it is, to me, my party is a party of social and economic
justice. i would say, yes, for all the things that communities of color care about is the democratic party that has the answer. i would say it with this caveat. i think if the democrats are going to be more successful than we think we can be in this midterm election, we actually don't necessarily need to just drill down to our base, that we can actually win independents, win over republicans who are dissatisfied with their president. and ohio 12. the votes are going to be really, really important. the suburbs are becoming more diverse with this political osmosis. they care about taxation, governens. they care about the social justice issues in ways perhaps they didn't a generation ago. there is a lot more opportunity, i think, for democrats to expand their vote where for the republicans perhaps not. >> are we maybe even just talking about this because,
frankly, the blue wave is real, the republicans are not going to hold the house, and even if some republicans decide to do what michael gerson suggests, it's not going to change the equation anyway? >> history is clearly on the side of democrats. i want to state this as a republican. the demographic changes in our country are very, very real, and they are not on the side of my party for a very, very long time. the republican party has struggled to target and mobilize african-americans and hispanics. after mitt romney and reince priebus, we did the growth in opportunity project where we promised to spend millions of dollars targeting the same groups donald trump is marginalizing with his retic. i'm looking at 2020 and beyond. it does not look good for republicans in a more browning america. >> thank you, guys. have a great weekend. appreciate it. we'll be right back. waiting for that update from the manafort trial recess.
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