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as much as he wants the stain of corporate zone and talk to people in the channel. he really wants to be accepted by people at the new york times. >> i found interesting. the idea of him releasing, on these, tapes the motivation that he spoke to about for the reasons why doing so. anyway i wonder if you will be questioned in terms of trying to put the thumb on the scale, for whatever reason. theres often with criticism towards journalist that suggest that, you know, the type of stories...

maggie haberman, too, for her book. and then goes on twitter, or whatever, truth social, sorry, and bad-mouths her. i mean, i think the truth of the matter, he cant quit us. he cant talk with us, he just cant. journalists, as much as he wants to own, like, as much as he wants to stay in his comfort zone and only talk to people in other channels, you know, challenging him all that much, he really wants to be accepted by people at the new york times and elsewhere. >> and cnn. >> i found ...

Prosecutor, you want things to leave off the page, and have that transcript come to life. its not without consequence that people question what you do. so, its fascinating. >> all right, jake tapper -- >> no! >> you can say no, jake. but we cant quit you, either. >> no! >> yes. >> good luck, guys. have a great show! talk to you later. >> good evening everyone. im alison camerota. >> and i am laura coates, and this is cnn tonight. and weve got new sound from the big guy. this debate happened righ...