it is sunday, october 18th. we're happy you're up with us. i'm lindsey reiser. >> can we get it as an i.v. good morning, everybody. we're live at msnbc world headquarters here. just got back from philadelphia yesterday. didn't bring back any cheesesteaks or anything like that. we were talking to voters. we wanted to find out, we have the polls that show an increase of numbers of black men that support the president. are they real? i'll show you what i find out later today. we begin with the race to the white house. 16 days to go. a busy day on the campaign trail. both candidates stumping in key battleground states today. joe biden set to speak in north carolina. president trump holding a rally in nevada. >> in the meantime, back-to-back rallies last night for the president, wisconsin and michigan, where there was little to no social distancing or mask wearing. that's par for the course. despite a spike of coronavirus in the midwest, in michigan, trump spoke for more than 90 minutes, on a variety of topics, joining in the crowd with a lock her up chat. the lock her up chat for the governor of wisconsin. he also talked about the events of george floyd's death. >> in minneapolis, they came in. the soldiers were the most expensive in the history of mankind. you approved them. they can look at somebody and somebody is gone. they came in, bomb, bomb, bomb. they just march forward and the whole thing was forward. it was like -- it was over. right? just -- i don't know. there's something about that when you watch everybody getting pushed around, there's something very beautiful about it. i don't care. >> it was not beautiful. >> meanwhile, early voting is under way in more than 40 states. as of this morning, more than 24 million ballots have already been cast in person and by mail. the biden/harris ticket is making in-person trips to battleground states. today, george biden will travel to north carolina and tomorrow, came came kamla harris will travel to florida. >> that will be the first day after waiting out a covid-19 scare. ali vitali joins us from recall liv ralei raleigh-durham, where a couple of celebrities were getting out the vote for biden. >> reporter: yeah. 'tis the season for surrogates. you had kerry washington out here campaigning in north carolina over the weekend. you also have the more traditional political celebrities. president barack obama going to begin his closing message out here on the campaign trail for his former number two, joe biden. obama will be hitting the trail when biden will be doing the final debate. since it's surrogate season, kerry washington and others campaigning in this state, for both campaigns, is critical to the electoral calculus. listen to why kerry washington explained why she is here and why it's so important. >> i'll thrilled to be in north carolina because north carolina is going to really matter. here in north carolina, you're voting on senator, governor and president. you're also voting on local state representatives. they're voting on d.a.s. so many races. and all of those people have an impact on the decisions that govern your life. >> reporter: you guys talk about the millions of people that have already voted. here in north carolina, they're one of those states that just started early voting. they have more than 1 million people here that cast their ballots in some way. and the races that washington was mentioning there, those are the races i imagine we're going to hear about from people like joe biden when he comes to the state. this is one of the key senate races. cal cunningham and tom tillis. i'm going to make a scandal reference because both have had their own form of scandals in the last few weeks. tom tillis was at the rose garden ceremony that turned itself into a superspreader event. he was tested positive for covid-19. and cal cunningham, he is in the midst of his own scandal, because he was caught with illicit text messages he hasn't denied, either. both of these campaigns are fighting their uphill battle in a state that is a key battleground in the senate and in the contest itself. biden will be making that pitch, telling them that it's so important to vote. >> i guess kerry washington just walked into the state and said, it's okay. it's handled. it's been handled. >> ali vitali, in durham, north carolina. listen to that laugh you got. >> i got a bunch of these dad jokes. >> here all night, everybody. tip your waiters. >> it's 6:05. thanks, ali. let's go live to the white house and kara lee. let's explore that moment that upset the governor of michigan. it is an important moment. i know we've been there before so many times, where we said this is not normal. this is not normal. >> yeah. the president was at a rally at western michigan. he decided he would take aim at the state's governor, just recently after she was part of this alleged plot to kidnap her. that the justice department came in and foiled. that didn't matter to the president. the president decided he was going to take her on. he was critical of her, saying she needed to open her state. this was the long-time thing by the president. he took it to another level. listen to what he said yesterday. >> what you're doing in michigan is amazing. you have to get your govern ur to open up your state. okay? [ cheers ] and get your schools open. get your schools open. your schools have to be open, right? lock 'em all up. >> reporter: now, governor whitmer hit back at the president saying, quote, it needs to stop. this is not the first time the president has done something like this. the lock her up chant was a signature part of his 2016 campaign. it was at hillary clinton. now, you hear it at governor whitmer. i'll read what the governor's tweet said in response to the president. she said, this is exactly the rhetoric that put me, my family and other government officials' lives in danger while we try to save the lives of our fellow americans. it needs to stop. a folksman f s a folksman fpokesman hit back s sees everything that is said about her online and to her and that every, single time the president does this at a rally, the violent rhetoric towards her escalates on social media. a call on the president to stop. the president, for his part, he wakes up in nevada today and is going to have a couple of other campaign events. he flies to california to raise money for his campaign. his campaign, it's no secret, needs some money right now. the president traveling to california to do fundfund-raisi. he will come back to the state, to reno and hold another rally. >> his campaign has about $100 million less on-hand than joe biden's campaign. going into the last couple of weeks here. carol lee live at for us. jonathan allen, the senior political analyst at nbc news digital. jonathan, good morning. >> 16 days out until the election. lay it out for us. where are we in this race? has anything really changed substantively in the last week? >> there hasn't been a huge change for many months. what we've seen is a little of an expansion, generally speaking, for joe biden, in a lead in national popular vote polling. the national popular vote and the electoral college are not reflections of each other. the swing states are necessarily a little closer than the national poll average. if you go through florida, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, and a whole set of what you think of is second tier swing states, less likely to flip one direction to the other. when you look at those polls, they're still pretty close. look at the averages of them. look at the individual polls. this is still a race. >> it is still a race. and it was quite the race at 2016 at this point. many democrats are a little giddy including many i met in philadelphia yesterday. they need to keep in mind that this is where we were four years ago or where they were four years ago. nbc's national polling average has joe biden with just over 51% support, compared to the nearly 42% support for the president. joe biden's lead, it is real. but when you get to that 50% part, that's an important number there. is that the insurmountable part? >> if we look historically at polling, that 50%-plus, in statewide races, in addition to national races, will tell you that the person who has the majority is going to win. however -- >> that was a big however. >> number one, the past is not indecorative of the future. number two, polling is a snapshot and we still have a couple weeks here until this election. you know, things can move quickly. we've seen that before, in the ronald reagan/jimmy carter race, carter led until basically, the last week. and we've seen races like 2016, where the leader ended up losing. i think the president at 42% has difficulty winning. if he can get it from 42%, to 44%, 45%, depending how that is distributed among the states, you're seeing him in a zone where he could pull off, you know, essentially, a second straight shooting of the moon or a straight flushl or whatever you want to call it. >> kendis earlier mentioned money. and a new article in "the washington post," says president trump's survives have thought about how to best spend the limited money in the campaigns the last weeks. they're trying to chart a path of a repeat of their 2016 come-from-behind victory. do you believe a path like that exists in 2020? especially when 24 million people have already voted? >> yeah. i think the fact that we see the president in western michigan, basically going back to his 2016 campaign rally style, where he's more provoking people in the audience toward violence or at least towards hatred of the michigan governor, who was allegedly the subject of that plot. we're seeing what we saw in 2016, that was a little darker and angrier. he is trying to gin folks up here at the end. i think that's indicative of the possibility of that path, even though people have already voted. i think most political professionals would tell you that early voting usually just, for the most part, captures people that would have voted on election day anyway. >> let's look ahead for a little bit here and talk about the debate that is upcoming. what do you think are the strategies going into thursday's second and final debate? what does biden need to do? and what does trump need to do? do you get a sense that the president will be just as xative as last time? >> i think there's two separate questions -- what do they need to do and what is it that they should do? and what is it they are going to do? >> yeah. three questions. a my numbers aren't working without getting the coffee injected into my main line. >> we have plenty. >> i think what you see from the president is an attempt to tone it down. i think at some level, you know, he understands and we saw from the town hall and nbc this past week, he understands that the sort of broader audience debates are an opportunity for him to try to rein things in a little bit. i know he interrupted savannah guthrie a lot. there were moments when he was boarding on rude. at the same time, that wasn't the full trump. i think you're probably going to see that from him or his best approximation of it in this next debate. on the biden team, they've been playing the same strategy all along. i would be shocked at the change now. trying to run out the clock for older viewers to remember the north carolina tar heels of the dean smith era. you call it a four-corners offense. i think biden is going to try to continue the same contrast, where he basically just says, i'm not that guy. obviously, you don't like that guy. >> i'm going to blow over that sportswriter. jonathan, my last question for you, is are you the school of thought, that we're going to see a red mirage, a numb we'er of republicans and a blue shift as more mail-in ballots get tallied. >> i don't know. one of the beautiful things about politics like sports, is there's a limited number of outcomes and an unlimited numbers of ways to get there. there's the likelihood we're going to see republican voters in droves on election day. we'll see democratic voters in droves on election, depending on the state and everything. from the public perspective, what they're going to see is a big, you know -- they're going to see big lines in places to vote all over the country. as far as the numbers coming in, we'll probably get an imbalance toward republicans early in the day, as absentee ballots are counted, et cetera. we may see a shift. i hesitate to predict what will happen on election day. whenever somebody does it on television, there's tape of them being wrong later. >> smart man. >> there's tape of lindsey graham saying things that you ignore. we'll hold the tape. >> you get to choose your own adventure with senator graham. >> that's true. jonathan allen, thank you for joining us for this episode of real book shelves of logan circle. >> capitol hill. >> capitol hill. when you think you know your book shelves. >> this thursday is the final presidential debate. nbc's kristen welker will moderate from belmont university in nashville. special coverage on thursday at 8:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. the pandemic is changing when people are buying seasonal gifts this year and how much they're willing to spend. how retails are trying to make the most out of an unusual holiday season. started using gain flings, their laundry smells more amazing than ever. uh, honey? 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is this a second wave or third wave? >> i think it shows we never controlled the first wave to be honest, kendis. >> wow. >> what we're seeing is grim. numbers are steadily increasing. as we go into the winter, this is not where we would like to be. only two states are showing an improvement in numbers. the other 48 has cases that are steadily rising. in new mexico, hospitalization cases has risen 101%. that's a significant number. just last week, we saw 6,063,00 new cases of covid-19 in a single day. and what people don't understand is it's a visual cycle. first, we see a rise in daily cases and then daily hospitalizations and shortly therefore, we'll see a rise in daily deaths. >> that's not good news. doctor, europe is seeing a surge in cases. and people think that we didn't learn from their mistakes in the spring when all of this began. are we repeating history here now? >> i think what we're seeing is a little pandemic fatigue. we're getting a lot of mixed messages, a lot of mixed signals from leadership in this country. and it makes people not know what to believe. should we wear masks? should we not wear masks? should we social distance? should we not social distance. although the science is very, very obvious. when you see the president of the united states, still conducting rallies and going ma maskless, despite the fact he was recently diagnosed with covid-19, it makes the general public not know what to do. that's contributing to the surge we're seeing. >> let's talk about europe. with the first wave, it was like a wave. china first, and then it hit italy and france and spain really, really hard. and then, we look up and we were hit hard. we're seeing it again. it's moving along. israel, just getting out of l k lockdown again for a second time now. many places are going into curfew. is that an indicator of what the next six weeks to two months are going to be like? >> i think we're looking into a crystal ball here. and this time we need to heed the warnings. what europe did initially, after their first peak in cases, they shut the country down. there was widespread different response from countries in the european union. and they impose curfews. people were staying home and businesses were closed. we saw a drastic drop in cases. as they go a little lax on the restrictions, of course, the cases are starting to go up. the united states needs to heed those warnings. >> a lot of people see a vaccine as being this silver bullet, the cure-all. exactly. we're hearing from pfizer. they are saying they hope to have an emergency authorization for a vaccine at the end of next month, the end of november. what does that mean in reality for when the population would be inoculated? >> in reality, it doesn't mean anything to me just yet. we're hearing so many different dates on this timeline when a vaccine could be released. the cdc is saying november or december. dr. fauci is saying maybe april. we have no idea when a vaccine is going to be released. and when a vaccine is released, it's not going to be the silver bullet that people think it will be. there's a lot of factors that go into vaccine development and vaccine approval that are going to be barriers to getting the united states population vaccinat vaccinated. most of the vaccines in advanced trials right now are two-step vaccines. that's an inherent barrier to adherence because you have to get people to come out that not only once to get the vaccine, but twice to get the second dose. not only that, but the vaccines we're looking at right now, are needing to be stored at sub-zero temperatures. that's another barrier to distributions of the vaccine. once a vaccine say proved, we may only get a few hundred thousand or a few million units and those are going to the most vulnerable populations, seniors and those in nursing homes. we won't get the majority of the population vaccinated until it's approved. >> i keep telling people that it will be two years until it's normal. there's friends making winter plans, based on the vaccine that they think is coming out soon. it's not going to be all that soon. >> it's not going to be that soon. we need to understand that what we're going through is the new normal. >> thank you for that uplifting note, doctor. >> the dose of reality there. thank you. new evidence this morning shows the economic pain from the pandemic appears to be worsening. what that could mean for the upcoming holidays, next. 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for? >> i'm voting for joe biden. >> who are you voting for? >> most likely biden. >> absentee. >> who are you voting for? >> i got to go with the lesser of the one of the two evils, you know? biden. that's how i feel right now. >> had one more interesting conversation that i want to share with you. got a sense of the impact that rappers, like kanye and ice cube's connections to trump and the campaign, have had on opinions of black men. this was interesting. here's that. >> can you understand why ice cube and kanye and other rappers are supporting him? >> when looking at stuff like that, it's about the dollar amount. they left my reality a long time ago. >> that's the narrative i got for the most part as we talk about this. that's the reality of a lot of the folks. they realize, yes, ice cube and kanye, they have. >> it is noise to them. >> it is noise to them. it's a financial thing. they find that what's important to them is providing for their family. that's important stuff. >> did 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bahrain. add sudan to the list and it's our understanding that this would deepen sudan's engagement in the west and follows the president's conditional agreement to remove the north african nation from the list of state sponsors of terrorism if, in fact, sudan pays compensation to american victims of terror attacks. i almost want to repeat that. that's a huge headline. when you take away that tag of state-sponsored terrorism, and do so with a strong condition. compensation for american victims, families of terror attacks. that is something that is a headline as much as the fact that israel now has a fifth nation total because remember before president trump it have been many years. 1978, 1994. you had jordan and egypt and now you add to that list. just the recent news, i would add, saudi arabia has been talking about what it would take that nation to come to the table and do some of what we are looking at now with israel. also in that region, that part of the world, would be ground shaking. that ostracizes an enemy like iran even more so. so we are watching today. we know that shortly we should get videotaped. we can't get the live event going on right now that's happening in the oval with the secretary of state, treasury secretary steve mnuchin and a few others talking about the ground moving move today of sudan normalizing relations, a u.s. brokered deal with israel. as soon as we get the videotape we'll bring it to you life your own "outnumbered." keep watching. this is developing. 11 days until the election and both president trump and joe biden are back on the campaign trail after that debate last night, their final debate in nashville, tennessee. it was far more controlled than the first one. there were still contentious moments on issues such as the coronavirus pandemic, the economy, immigration. the president also brought up biden's son hunter's overseas business dealings and emails claiming the former vice president's possible involvement watch. >> the emails, horrible emails of the kind of money that you were raking in. you and your family. i think you owe an explanation to the american people. >> i have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life. >> harris: shortly before last night's face-off, hunter biden's former business partner spoke out in nashville. he said he was part of an hour-long meeting involving joe biden. where they discussed potential business plans with the chinese firm. chief white house correspondent john roberts no live in the villages in california where the president is headed. john. harris, good afternoon. we know that tony bob linsky was the ceo, the enterprise of the partnership between himself, hunter biden, jim biden, couple other individuals on a chinese energy company. we know from a treasure trove of emails handed to the senate committees on homeland security and governmental affairs and finance that joe biden was never officially listed as an officer of the company while others were. tony bobulinski taking exception with joe biden saying he never, ever spoke to his son, hunter about his business dealings. that was an answer to a question the peter doocy put to him. he has since repeated it to number of times. bobulinski singh last night in the statement to the white house press pool prior to the debate that he knows for a fact that joe biden was in conversation with hunter biden about the business enterprise. listen. >> i've heard joe biden say he's never discussed business with hunter. that's false. i have firsthand knowledge about it because i dealt with the biden family including joe bid joe biden. >> in that same statement, bobulinski went on to say that in early may of 2017 he took a meeting with joe biden at the beverly hilton hotel that lasted about an hour where all they talked about was hunter's business. listen. >> i was introduced to joe biden by jim biden in hunter biden. am i approximately hour-long meeting with joe, that night we discussed the bidens history, the bidens 'dealings with the chinese with which he was plainly familiar. >> it played a part in last nights debate, president trump trying to use it as an attack point against joe biden. joe biden denying and then trying to turn it back onto the president. listen. >> somebody just has a news conference a little while ago who was essentially supposed to work with you and your family. what he said was damning. regardless of me, i think you have to clean it up and talk to the american people. maybe you can do it right now. >> i've never taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life. we learned of this president paid 50 times the tax in china, as a secret bank account with china, does business in china. talking about me taking money. >> we're going to hear more about this. we know that today bobulinski will be talking with staff at the senate government affairs on homeland security committee. he's also talking to the fbi. he said last night met statement that he was going to surrender his electronic devices with all these documents on them to the fbi. one of the things the fbi will be looking into is whether or not any of the officers in the company, whether it bobulinski, hunter biden, jim biden or others should have registered under the foreign agents registration act. i think the final story has not yet been told. there's a big article in the "the wall street journal" that lays it out today. it's beginning to gain more traction today. >> harris: that's a good article for people to read to kind of get the timeline. john roberts, thank you. you're watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. hosted a. kennedy, senior editor at "the federalist," mollie hemingway. executive director of serve america pac, fox news contributor marie harf. also joining us opinion editor for "the washington times" and fox news contributor, charlie hurt. great to see all of you. a quick point. the president leading the conference call. we'll be hearing from him momentarily. as soon as that happens we will come out to it and bring you the news. he's on the phone we understand with the israeli prime minister. a lot of news being made on the heels of what was already a big newsmaker last night. charlie. >> charlie: the events in the oval office today are mighty interesting. as for what happened last night, i think the three big takeaways from last night in terms of this situation with hunter biden are first of all we have the first named individual to come forward and basically accuse vice president joe biden of lying about what he knew, how much he knew, and when he knew it regarding his son's business deals. the second thing is and then everything else is what happened during the debate. crucially important that president trump managed to get joe biden to go out there and respond to some of the accusations and sane fact he's never taken a penny. from foreign sources. that's a very, very important fact going forward especially as more stuff comes out. the third thing that i think is vitally important. we are in the midst of largely a media blackout by a lot of media organizations that refuse to cover any of this stuff. president trump managed to get some of the bare-bones facts of this scandal into the mainstream media forcing people like npr to actually address some of these issues. and once the toothpaste is out of the tube come you can't get it back in, especially in the modern media era where you have people who have access to the internet and you can look it up. actually sort of delving to the facts of the case. >> harris: what you hope is that the video organizations are in the back looking at the facts and working their own sources. it's worth at least expressing. marie, last night was really a completely different scene than what we saw in the first debate. in your estimation, how did your candidate do? >> marie: well, i think that joe biden answered, as you played in that clip, verily clearly that he did not take money from foreign sources. he was strongest when he talked about things like health care. he talked about this election is about your families, not my family, not donald trump family. i think overall it was nice to not have so many interruptions on both sides. it seemed like the new button may have deterred them from interrupting i each other. joe biden is ahead. he did what he had to do and donald trump had to throw bit of a hail mary pass last night and certainly was more restrained than he was in the first debate that i think still focused a little too much on grievances. because we were talking about the media and the coverage of the hunter story, we mention "the wall street journal." they looked into this china deal and they said "the venture never received propose funds from the chinese company or completed any deals. corporate records reviewed by "the wall street journal" show no role for joe biden." the journalist had looked into it and they said they haven't found a role for joe biden. i think you handled that issue pretty well last night. >> harris: mollie. >> mollie: interesting point. if you look at the text on the messages in the emails that the whistle-blower, tony bobulinski has shared with some reporters and shared with the fbi and the senate committees. they show that part of the discussion is about how to obscure the role that joe biden is playing in the business dealings. one of them said to tony bobulinski, you cannot put into writing that joe is involved. save it for the face-to-face meeting. in another section when they are talking about how they would divide the money they say that the money for joe biden would be held by hunter biden. so having joe biden come out and say he's not receiving funding or that, having "the wall street journal" say they can't find any evidence in the documents, fact actually matches with what the whistle-blower's saying. when he says joe biden is lying when he says he's never discussed the overseas business dealings, that's a very important point. there's so much to look into. also this is a deal that didn't go through. the whole reason we are learning about this is because the senate committees put out notice about how a different deal went through with the same chinese people that the money went more directly to hunter biden and that's one of many overseas dealings the biden family is involved in. what's interesting is in these text messages they are talking at length about how these deals are being arranged precisely because of joe biden, precisely because of his access to power. hunter biden and james biden are saying we know why we are involved. it's this access to power. it's important because joe biden said he says he's not corrupt and this is an issue of character. if there is all this dealing and whatnot going on with foreign entities, it speaks to his main campaign theme. >> harris: a couple things are significant. this is a deal that didn't go through. it would seem that the facts bear it out. that these were relatives of joe biden, his son and brothers allegedly. that i think is significant because it brings up what john roberts was asking, did that relatives need to notify the government they were having foreign discussions. the other thing important to know is the fact of the story has not reached its apex. we are not done collecting facts as journalists. when you see "the wall street journal," it never says that's the end of the story. marie, when i hear you bring that up, it's not over in terms of the facts that are coming in. as far as we know. kennedy. >> kennedy: it would be convenient if the story were over for joe biden because it's hitting a very bad time. there are so many shoes to drop, you could bundle them up and sell them at nordstrom's. tony bobulinski, we would've heard the talking points. he would have been bobulinskied out of existence. we haven't seen it. if you're going to a modern money don't put someone like hunter biden in charge. put someone like chelsea clinton in charge. create a foundation that makes it seem like you're doing a bunch of good stuff instead of running around like the hamburglar. >> harris: i love nordstrom's shoe rack. i just want to say. all right, i i want to catch up. charlie, you started us off with how important the breaking news is right now for the world. yes. right before an election. foreign policy, the thing people are focused on. but now it is for breaking news. to catch everybody up, we are waiting to hear of the president of the united states who is right now in the oval office. he's taking questions. he set on this conference call he said if the press has questions for the conference call, first question to jeff mason. the president has at least five countries may want to have peace deals in the future. he insists more deals are in the works. more questions, more details to come. this has been going on for a little while. it started off with that announcement of normalized relations, u.s. brokered deal between israel and sudan. we will see, we don't know if it will be temporary. the deal is this. if you want to lose that moniker of state-sponsored terrorism, then you have to renew rate. you have got to pay american victims' families for the terror acts that you, sudan, have committed. this is a major story also because it adds to the list of countries under this current president that of normalized relations with israel, bringing the total number now to five. since 1978. more than 50% of them in the last month or so. this has been something that the president has done pretty expeditiously. i'm going to look at my notes because we are getting more information. the president says within a very few number of months everybody is going to be in this deal. okay, what does he need by everybody? on the list, i most want to bring the panel back in. on the list is saudi arabia. i have heard you say, marie harf, that would be huge. why? >> marie: would be huge because the saudis have a long history of anti-semitism and hostility towards israel. we know there's been quiet conversations between the saudis and israelis for two reasons. economic opportunities as these two countries need to diversify their economies. also their shared hatred of iran, harris. they've decided, both of them, that iran is really the biggest threat and if they can work together to counter it might be helpful. the biggest question for me about that list that you mentioned is whether the palestinians are anywhere on it. there are people living under occupation. they have not been part of these discussions. they do not have voting rights. they do not have the ability to live in a state of their own under their own government. that for me is the biggest? if the palestinians are anywhere in this process and if any of the arab states are pushing for them to be, like they did for so many years. >> harris: you know, as you mentioned, saudi arabia, the president had mentioned that arab nation during the first go around this and the signing of abraham accords a few weeks ago at the white house. he said saudi arabia would come along eventually. in those conversations i've had with white house chief of staff who will be on with me at 1:00 p.m. and i will ask about this. the palestinians have always been invited to be at the table. remember it's hezbollah advocating for them. a terrorist organization. it's an impossibility. it's not exactly. i don't think you'll disagree. that hezbollah and others in the region have looked out for their own people, the palestinians, when they needed it most. >> marie: well, a small correction. it's hamas in charge of the gaza strip. hezbollah is in lebanon. their political leadership is separate from hamas. for the palestinians, the question of coming to the table has always been under what conditions. every day the israelis build new settlements that takes away from land that should and could be palestinian under a two-state solution. so every day a two-state solution becomes less and less likely. that's a tough negotiating place for the palestinians to come to the table. i think they should but i think they need to sign for the israelis and other arab states that there is a pragmatic two-state solution that's possible and that they are committed to trying to get to it. >> harris: are you saying that you shouldn't put the good before being perfect in this. if the palestinians want to come along and thank you for the correction, hamas, if they want to come along, there is from anything that any of the president's leadership has ever told me. it's just they're going to get done what they can get done right now. i'll give you a quick last word. >> there's not a closed door but every day the israelis close more and more doors by taking over more and more land. what negotiations look like on the ground is increasingly like there is no palestinian state to even negotiate under. so i'll be really curious to see the details about this. they had supported terrorism in the past. i think it will be interesting to see this with the palestinian question will continue to be the big one, harris. >> harris: we are going to move to a quick commercial break. waiting to hear from the president of the united states on big breaking news. israel has normalized through a u.s. brokered deal relations with sudan. state courts stay close. stay restless with the icon that does the same, the rx crafted by lexus. lease the 2020 rx350 for $409 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. i do motivational speakingld. lease the 2020 rx350 for $409 a month for 36 months. in addition to the substitute teaching. i honestly feel that that's my calling-- to give back to younger people. i think most adults will start realizing that they don't recall things as quickly as they used to or they don't remember things as vividly as they once did. i've been taking prevagen for about three years now. people say to me 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portion of what's breaking right now. >> charlie: so obviously the details about the deal with sudan are still fluid at the moment. i don't figure can overstate what a big deal this is, what a big deal this is in terms of realigning the geopolitical situation in the world. the fact that for literally, and especially because of this moment in time, you have president trump running for reelection against a guy who has been in washington for 47 years, a guy who has been the answer to every foreign policy question in washington for 47 years. there is no bigger foreign policy genius in washington than joe biden. john kerry might be a quick follow behind him. but joe biden is the greatest reigning foreign policy genius in washington. i would argue he's been wrong about just about everything. but he's been magnificently wrong on this issue. the fact that you have a guy in office for four years. he didn't even really run on this part of doing things. he didn't even run, if he didn't get elected because of his foreign policy chops. yet he's able to look at the situation in the middle east, the intractable situation in the middle east, and he rethinks it. he reinvents the wheel. sometimes it drives people crazy. but that's what he does. he winds up with a very common sense solution that could lead to peace and prosperity for millions of people and save lots of money. it's all good. on top of it, it's all gravy politically speaking because like i said, this isn't even what got him elected in the first place. but it's a fresh set of eyes and to meet it makes the stark difference, the stark choice between a guy who's been around for 47 years, eight years in the white house, and has failed to get anything done and this other guy who doesn't know everything. he's not a genius about everything. but he's willing to look at things a new way and come up with new solutions. that all of the geniuses that have been around forever never thought of and that's a huge -- that's a the single greatest argument for giving president trump another four years, as it was the reason for giving him the first four years. >> harris: kennedy, and the george stephanopoulos town hall with george biden which has been criticized for being a softball session. at one point the former vice president was talking about, he was asked about whether or not he's willing to give credit to president trump for some of the foreign policy things he's been able to do. this was one of those things and he said lightly yeah, maybe, little bit. he said yes, little bit. and then went on and argued against the president. this isn't just a little thing if, in fact, it brings peace to the part of the world where we have spent so much blood and treasure. >> kennedy: it's also creating investment with these countries. once you buy into the world economy, it's really hard to go back to garden-variety slaughter. it's exhausting and demoralizing frankly. you wear people down. iif you are iran and saudi araba and some of these states, you realize when there's talk, when there's world consensus that we are going to be off oil within 50 to 40 years, imagine what happened 30 years ago. it wasn't that long ago. they realized they have very immobile, inflexible economies. that's what theocratic reporting authoritarianism gives you. once they have the buy in, it's always been the republican solution to war. economic peace. i hope that we see that. by the way, this is the kind of october surprise that i love. it may not allow president trump to land the plane and reelection but it's good for the world. >> harris: that is so interesting what you said. it's sort of what i was thinking in terms of october surprise. it's a positive one. mollie, we just slid in a two-minute warning. not a lot of time to hear from you but i don't want to miss out. >> mollie: i want to disagree slightly with what charlie said. donald trump did run opposing the swamp's consensus on how to handle war in the middle east. he rejected the idea that the u.s. needs to have a strong military footprint to keep everything stable in the middle east. he rejected the idea that you could not work out peace deals until palestinians signed on. he went to the palestinians first when they said no, he moved on. he rejected the idea that iran was the great stabilizing force in the region. by moving away from that deal come you get people agreeing that they want to work with israel. it's interesting today because khartoum was where the arab league met in 1967 deciding not to recognize israel's right to exist. it's really monumental today. >> harris: a couple things we know the president will be asked about moments from now. he took questions on the debate. he praised his own performance. he says although he liked the first debate, his style, in terms of the stimulus, he says that the speaker wants to wait until after the election he thinks. the president of the united states on a conference call today to make a major announcement about a u.s. brokered deal between israel and sudan. and then opened the conference call up to questions by journalists. let's watch. >> thank you. do you have any questions for sudan or benjamin. only for them. >> you referenced some other countries. can you give us a sense of which countries those are. you also said the palestinians want to do something. can you give us an update on the status? >> they are both just statements. we have many countries wanting to come in. we are doing them one by one. they did sudan. they wanted to do a deal and that was in particular nice because they've essentially been at war with israel for a long time. i don't know if it was fighting. i don't know that. probably there's been a little bit. for many years the event officially at war with sudan. now it's not only the deal was signed but there's peace. that's official. that's nice. we have five that want to come in and will have many more than that. want to come into the deal. part of the peace deal. you know what it's costing the united states, nothing. nothing. it's so nice, isn't that nice. nothing. why should we be paying? we are settling peace. psychkosovo it's like in serbia. they were killing each other for 25 years. longer than that. wait a minute, we are doing trade with each country, why don't we settle it. they were so happy. they were so happy. we settle the deal. we do a lot of things people don't know about, fellas. >> can you walk us through what normalize relations means. >> do you want to give that, what normalized relationship, what it really means and what it means to you. go ahead. >> i'll give you an example. it's mind-boggling. a few days ago i went into a port and there was a huge ship, container ship that came in from the emirates. the first one was a week earli earlier. these were the container ships coming from the free-trade area in dubai coming to israel. they had consumer goods. they had washing machines. the cost of living for the citizens of israel. it's trade, okay. israelis could never fly east. we had to go around the red sea, really around the arabian peninsula. it would take us hours to get anywhere. to get into the arabian peninsula because we didn't have any remissions there. now people are planning. there are tourism offices, from israel, tourism agents flocking to abu dhabi and dubai and bahrain. and the other way around, bahrain. you have tourism, trade, tourism, technology, entrepreneurs. the same thing is going to happen with sudan. each of us has what it has to offer the other. it changes the lives of people. as you said, mr. president, we're not engaging in bloodshed. not engaging in antagonism. we are engaging in cooperation for the present and the future. we are seeing the fruits of peace right now in these days, days after signing these agreements. we've never seen anything like this. one thing that i say, and enthusiasm for most countries in the world, most people in the world across the political divide. yeah, iran is unhappy. hezbollah is unhappy. hamas is unhappy but most everybody else is very happy and they should be because it's a very good thing. if you asked me what does it feel like, it's amazing and it's fast. >> and also poor. iran is poor. hamas is poor. they weren't for three years ago. they were blowing everything up. do you think sleepy joe could've made this deal, sleepy joe, do you think you would've made this deal? somehow i don't think so. >> well, mr. president, one thing i can tell you is we appreciate peace. we appreciate what you done. >> can you follow up on the idea of what this means. >> this will be in the history books. history registers who did what. i think it does. >> i think it's a terrific thing. it should be completed pretty soon. >> can you expand about what this means to iran? the pressure that these deals place on the around? >> ultimately iran will maybe become a member of this whole thing if you really want to know the truth. you can have everybody together with the united states and beyond the united states. you'll have other major powers involved. and with it, not have to be signed into it because it's a region but with it and i could see iran. some dad love to help iran. i would love to get iran back on track. gdp went down 27%. they've gone from a rich country to a poor country in a period of three years and i would love to get them back on track. they just can't have nuclear weapons. that's all. it's always death to israel, that's all they shout. they can't have nuclear weapons. him they can have what they want. they should be a great nation. they are great people. i know so many iranians, i have a lot of iranian friends. it should be a great nation we wanted to be a great nation but we can have nuclear weapons. i could see iran ultimately, right now it doesn't sound like something that would happen but i see it happening. ultimately they will all be one unified family. it will be an amazing thing. probably has never happened in the middle east because the middle east is known for conflict and fighting. >> normalization and the unified. the sale of f-35's. >> bat process is moving along. it's a good process. we've had an incredible relationship, long term. we've never had a dispute with uaa. they've always been on our side in that process is moving along i think hopefully rapidly. >> removing sedan from the state-sponsored list of terrorism. can you speak about those plans playing into th the plans. the list of state-sponsored -- >> we have been working with sudan for as long as i've been part of this administration to address the issue of state-sponsored terrorism. they did all the things they needed to do. these two leaders of sudan did all the right things. having a civilian led government inside sudan. the rationale for them being designated as state sponsors no longer made sense. we wanted to make sure that victims of the terror had compensation so we have accounted for that. $335 million will go to the victims from those terror attacks. sudan is fully complied. their leaders have done great work and we want to support the civilian led government. we want them to be successful so it would be appropriate that we would lift this. it will help the sudanese people and the government. you'll see trade not only between israel and sudan but between the united states and sudan as well. >> sudan has great potential on trade and other things. they relay -- it could be very, very successful wonderful country and i think it will be. it's been hampered by what's going on in the world. >> can you ask plain how that connects to the deal with isra israel. >> they are connected in the sense that the sudanese leadership, they have one thing in common. they are building out their economy. creating democratic institutions, all the things the sudanese people have been demanding. they are connected in the sense that the sudanese leadership is driving towards a really good outcome and improve life for the people of sudan and we think for the broader region in north africa. >> and with the leaders on the phone, they've been incredible leaders. i will say they have been incredible. great leadership. which you haven't had in the past. >> obviously you're going to hit the road next couple days. are you envisioning meetings in washington. what is it like to try to do something like this while campaigning? >> it's my life. do i have a choice? this is all things i've been working on and the campaign. the campaign begins. i think last night was very, very successful. we've gotten great reviews, great polls, great everything. 91%. it was an exciting night, tremendous audience i understand. bigger than they thought. it was certainly an exciting night. this is my day job. i have to do this. it's really important. we will have them along with some other countries that you will be hearing about coming probably simultaneously and then ultimately were going to have a big reunion at the end where everybody's here and everybody's going to be signed and we expect that saudi arabia will be one of those countries. highly respected. the king and the crown prince, they are highly respected in the middle east. mohammed from uae, highly respected, a warrior, he's a great warrior. they will all come together. we are going to have a big beautiful party of the end, okay. and you'll be there. okay? anybody else have a question? >> i think everybody who watched the debate last night. he seemed much more calm and measured at the podium. how much of it was you kind of trying to change your strategy. or playing by the debate commission's rules. >> i think the other is more effective in terms of business and life. the first one. i thought i did great. certain groups of very aggressive people that loved the first debate. this was better. this was obviously more popular way of doing it. i wanted to play by the rules. i felt very strongly about it. it's two different styles. i am unable to do different styles have you had to but this seemed to be much more popular. >> would you do another debate? >> i don't think there's any reason. i think we are leading a lot of states that you don't know abo about. the pollsters may be the worst there are. >> taking responsibility for the pandemic rates because i always take responsibility and i've done a great job the people around me have done a great job, just like these people have done a great job. the pandemic people, what they've done for ventilators and equipment and stocking. governors that have absolutely nothing. they had nothing on their shelves. we stopped them. i those governors, if they're honest -- we stocked them. i've had governors say it's the best thing they've seen anyone doing anything. there's a lot of good governors. they've done a good job. they had nothing. they didn't have ventilators. didn't have downs or masks or logos or anything. we got them. think of it. ventilators are tough. not one person with all of this going on, not one person who needed a ventilator didn't get it. it's very untrue in other countries. in other countries, very few people were able to get. we are supplying ventilators to many other countries because they are very hard to make. they are complex, hard to make. very expensive. i think we've done a great job. >> speaker pelosi. >> i think we can come ashore. i think we can. >> the president has been very clear in his instructions to me that if we can get the radio were going to do it. we've been speaking to the speaker. i would say we've offered compromises. the speaker on a number of issues, still dug in. if she wants to compromise, there will be a deal. we have made lots of progress on lots of areas but there still some significant differences that we are working on. >> one of the big differences and i set it it last night loud and clear. she wants to bail out poorly run democrats states. they are poorly run both in terms of crime and in terms of economics. we just don't want that. we want covid related. she wants to be allowed poorly run democrat states and that's a problem because you're talking about tremendous amounts of money and we don't want to reward areas of our country who have not done a good job and a lot of them come a lot of those areas have not done a good job on medical and covid frankly. if you look at new york and you look at some others. it's been rough. it's been very rough. but we don't want to do that. we are talking and we'll see what happens but at this moment, i would say that -- i actually think nancy would rather wait until after the election. she think it's a good point for the election but i think it's against her because the american people know it's her that stopping the money going to th them. i really believe it. i think she views it as a good election point perhaps. she's good for november 3rd. i'd like to see the people get the money. i don't think she wants the people to get the money before the election. i don't think that's a good point for her. but we want the people to get the money. it wasn't their fault. it was china's fault. it was china's fault. the plague came in from china. okay. that's about it. no, no, no, no, no that's enough. thank you. >> armenia and azerbaijan. >> we are working with armenia. we have a very good relationship. they are good people, so dedicated, they are incredible people and we will see what happens. >> the leader. >> i don't want to say. we'll see what happens. good progress being made with respect to that. armenia, we have a lot of people living in this country from armenia originally from armenia. they're great people. we are going to help them. >> prime minister, sir. you mentioned potential scenario with iran. >> i think of the end, iran, yeah, i can see them. i can see it. i would say, yeah, sure. go ahead. >> missin>> this is jeff mason. he has a mascot that i think is the largest mask i've ever seen. i don't know if you can hear them but he wants to hear, when it's all finished and everybody is in the deal i said i wouldn't be surprised to see iran be very friendly also. you have everybody unified. i think that iran will be in some way involved. what do you think about that? >> well, i was beginning to say that when i spoke in the american congress i didn't say i was opposed to any view. i said i was opposed to that deal. that deal had all sorts of restrictions and did not condition any change require any change. iran essentially increased its aggression after the deal then reduced in. with ballistic missiles. the enrichment of uranium, atomic bombs, all sorts of threats in the region. if a new deal is offered. that's what i said when i spoke to the u.s. congress, different deal is offered, it would be welcome. i think that will only happen if iran faces strong opposition. if you are soft on iran, you're not going to have peace with iran. if you are strong and presented from achieving -- i think they might agree to a better deal, a real deal. i think it is something no one will be opposed to. >> and everybody is unified and this is all done and it won't be a long period of time, iran will be in some way involved. if not part of the deal, they'll be very happy and you know what they are tired of fighting. they are tired of what's going on. those are great people. they wanted end to it. they want and end to it. in fact if we win the election, they don't want me to stay wedded but i say if, it's an election, if we win the election, one of the first calls i'll get will be from iran. let's make a deal. one of the first calls i'll get. they don't want me to win and russia doesn't want me to win. what's unique about those two countries, they both don't want me to win. that's okay. i think were going to win. i think of you start looking at what's happening in the states and the votes that are coming in and the amount of votes coming in and the great red wave hasn't hit yet. it hits in a few days. it's going to be a great red wave like you've never seen before. a wave like you've never seen before. it's going to be all red. it's going to be a thing of beauty. have a good time everybody. speak to the president of the united states after announcing a major deal that he brokered, the united states brokered i should say. by his leadership with israeli prime minister and the leader of sudan and you saw him pick up the phone to the prime minister of israel joining that conference call and getting asked in answering a couple questions during that whole tape that we watched great i want to bring back the panel. kennedy. your topline thoughts. >> kennedy: the president seems very relaxed and comfortable today and i know we got a couple questions about the debate and i think it's easier for him to have this conversation. i think he probably feels very comfortable with how we did last night and what i would like to hear from joe biden, these are obviously great developments. if joe biden is elected, does he come at he turn his back on an agreement like this? how does he build upon it and what's his vision for the middle east on bringing in some of those other countries that the president talked about. >> harris: that such a great question. the president went on talking about a big reunion at the end of all of this where he'll have everybody over to sign, big party. he specifically said saudi arabia is expected to jo join. i want to come back to you on that point. your question is critical. with the next person if he were to win, joe biden, lock this type of progress? -- block this type of progress? >> kennedy: yes, absolutely. it seems what the president is doing here is working on the periphery of the middle east and working towards the middle, peace in the middle east between palestine and israel. instead of starting with that he's going from the outside and working in. how does joe biden continue that and does he give the president credit? >> harris: we got a taste of politics, charlie, the president talked about the coronavirus stimulus bill and said it seems nancy pelosi wants to wait until after the election and he advised that's not necessarily a good idea for her. >> charlie: i think he's probably right. another area of stark contrast between the candidates that we saw last night was the difference between what president trump wants to do about pushing forward safely with therapeutics, immunization plans, all of that terms, and opening up the country. this dark winter campaign that joe biden is running where he's trying, he clearly wants mask mandates and to shutdown the economy. stark contrast. i think i know where voters go with that stark choice. one thing going back to the situation in the middle east, i think we have the answer about what joe biden will do. joe biden has made clear he wants to get back into bed with iran. you can't get back into a bed with iran and keep these deals that the president has hammered out with the new allies of israel who despise iran. >> harris: mollie. >> mollie: spent a very good week for donald trump. peace breaking out further in the middle east. you have the fact that he's completed nearly a first term without invading the country which might seem like a little bar but it's one that many presidents have not been able to meet particularly in recent history. in the debate last night where he asked joe biden, you don't want to end the oil industry, do you? joe biden for reasons nobody can quite explain said you're darn right i do. and let me explain in detail why, with donald trump sitting there, being like i can't believe i'm so blessed. with that, the foreign policy, domestic policy and the hunter biden business, donald trump is having a pretty good week. joe biden is having a pretty bad week at not the best time for joe biden. >> harris: marie, quickly. i could hear calls from the state of texas saying that the oil industry and fracking was another area where there is a cleanup on aisle 7 with joe biden at least an attempted one. pennsylvania in the wings. why did he say what he said. >> marie: he made clear he was talking about a transition away from oil and gas and an end to oil subsidies. the oil companies are people pushing to transition away from oil and gas. they are leading the way in many respects on renewables. i think we saw a little bit of politics there in the oval office going back to the announcement. prime minister netanyahu is incredibly political actor, he supported mitt romney in 2012. he's in trouble politically at home. his friend donald trump is in a little trouble politically at home. we should not discount the fact that there's a reason this is happening 11 days before the election. he was in many ways a political event, harris. >> harris: everybody, wow. a lot of breaking news that we all handled together and i appreciate being with you on this fine friday. thank you to everybody was watching. i'll be back with "outnumbered overtime" after a very quick commercial break. functiona (vo) i'm a verizon engineer and today, we're turning on 5g across the country. with the coverage of 5g nationwide. and, in more and more cities, the unprecedented performance of ultra wideband. the fastest 5g in the world. it will change your phone and how businesses do everything. i'm proud, because we didn't build it the easy way, we built it right. this is the 5g america's been waiting for. only from verizon. >> harris: breaking news and just the last little while as the president announced today that sudan will sign onto a a peace agreement with israel. just like buffering and the uae did last month. the president asked our will behead headed to the battle grounds of florida, after the final presidential debate. you are watching "outnumbered overtime," i am harris faulkner. a feisty but more toned down and substantial topic wise debate than the first one. as the candidates last night sparred over issues including the covid-19 response, health care, race, energy, they also battled over hunter biden's overseas business dealing and which administ
conditions are even worse than we thought. and the biden administration has clearly been lying to the entire country. the email sent from one border patrol official working in the facility to the chain of command that customs and border protection, this is nothing short of what is a desperate plea for help and desperation has set in. since the biden administration will allow the media zero access to this facility, i will read the section of this email so you can get a full complete idea of what is really happening according to the sport of official on the scene working at this texas facility. "it is extremely unsafe and unhealthy for the detainees, agents, civilian workforce, the overcrowding is inhumane especially for the children. pod three a is designed to hold 80 people in on this day, we have 694 unaccompanied children with two agents maintaining custody. it is 867% of the stated capacity of this detention space. the agents cannot possibly provide the care, the help, the safety of the undocumented children in our custody, nor can we reasonably do so far ourselves. then the agent continues the detainees are also stressed and fatigued and becoming more agitated each passing day, one girl told me many, many more complained they have been here for more than two weeks, the email goes on to learn the detainees are often laying on top of each other because there is no room to sleep, the unaccompanied children have to sleep on their side in order for them to all lay down in the small space available, so much for social distancing. if we have a fire, a carbon monoxide leak from the generators, a stampede or any number of potential and likely occurrences, many people will die. this situation is a disaster waiting to happen, someone with the proper authority much to do something immediately to alleviate the severe overcrowding before we experienced a tragedy. following this dire warning, the border patrol chief emailed back saying that he hears this morning loud and clear. in a statement tonight, customs and border control have confirmed the validity of these emails, praise these hardworking agents, they all vowed to continue to protect the nation and to enforce the laws and do it humanely. they reiterated a border patrol station is no place for a child. it clearly, the biden administration knows this is a real crisis, they know the situation is out of control, they know that we now know they've been lying to you the american people. that means joe biden and kamala harris, their policies are inhumane, hurting children, it is a crisis by now the question is what are they going to do about it? it's one of their making and you'd better believe that the hhs secretary -- dhs secretary has been briefed about these conditions and yet he continues to lie to you the american people in the entire world to save his boss joe biden from the kind of embarrassment frankly he deserves. that's why the cameras have not been allowed in my that's why the media is not allowed to speak with border patrol officials and now it's time to step down and resign for a complete failure of his duties. he was clearly unprepared for this job, he's not up to the task now and the human toll obviously can be quite significant. we also know cartels are making $14 million a day by trafficking these migrants and many of these migrant facilities and according to one estimate come up to 50% of all migrants crossing are in fact infected with covid-19. we are not testing them all and of course, there were a real national security implications, the border patrol is dealing with a massive surge of migrants, the border is less secure and less safe than it's ever been. we have the drug problem, the opioid crisis, heroin, fentanyl, weapons, terrorist, cartels, drug dealers, human traffickers, those young kids in, you name it. likely entering our country undetected because of the crisis. all the resources are now being used just to try and help these areas where the kids are. but according to democrats none of this is really happening. don't believe your lying eyes. here with us will report outside of the migrant facility in texas, investigative reporter fox news contributor sara carter, i don't think i can get any more alarming or any more revealing more dire as to what's really happening on the ground and the magnitude of the danger and the lies that have been told to the american people. >> i don't think there's any way to express what i'm hearing from border patrol agents anymore than what the letter already stated. i obtained that exclusively from a source that was made privy to that email and the reason is because its enormous frustration here at the border. people feel like they're not being listened to. the employees feel as though their calls for help to washington, d.c., are being ignored and they want washington to start listening. this is a facility that they are talking about. to put it in perspective, there is roughly 4,000 people and right before you came on the air, two more busloads of people were brought into this facility which actually really looks more like a prison, when they are being processed into the tent because there is no windows on any of those tents but to put it into perspective, roughly 4,000 people in this facility increase the population of texas by 25%. if based on the most recent numbers as a population in texas and it's expected to increase exponentially from there so you can imagine as they are frantically building on the backside of this facility, we have construction equipment, we have people working day in and day out, expecting thousands and thousands more and this is just one part. >> sean: my sources tonight telling me just to be clear that well aware of the conditions on the ground which then raises the question why he hasn't done anything about it and then again, we still have circle back to jen psaki and everyone in the biden administration suggesting to all of us that there is not a crisis happening, but they've all been made aware that in fact it is happening and that we have the images to show what is happening so now that we've been able to get group brave whistle-blowers to show us what's going on inside now that we obtain the letter you've been able to obtain, there's no ambiguity anymore. if at what point does joe biden now have to be asked maybe thursday it's come on we now know these are the conditions, what are you going to do about it? >> right. and you can hear earlier today, we could hear some of the children actually playing in the open ten and when i'm talking to sources and whistle-blowers on the ground is deep concern for these children, their exposure to covid, other diseases or possibly other viruses, they've been through enough already, some of these children are as young as four or seven years old, some of them have traveled all along across three countries to get here to the united states, some have been brought in by people that are not their guardians, they've been smuggled into the country so you have to imagine the stress on these children as they are sleeping in these cramped conditions inside these tense, they look like they are the size of football fields and they are quite big but inside some of these alone are roughly 700 people lining up right next to each other, there is no air, there's no windows to look outside, it's a very stressful situation not only for the people inside being held but imagine for the border patrol agent, the civilian workers, doctors and other medical professionals that are here. >> sean: and think about if trump had an outdoor rally, that's a super-spreader event, videos and the ones you've got on the one fox has gotten i guess we are looking at a real super-spreader event and brand-new cages that they filled except this time with plastic and then having kids living on top of each other. but is not a crisis. last word, go ahead. >> it is a crisis, right. >> sean: investigative reporter sara carter, much more throughout the week. we turn to the horrific events out of boulder, colorado, where i was ago we witnessed a contentious senate hearing on what the second amendment as democrats now rushing to capitalize on yesterday's horrific mass shooting without any details as usual, many in the media mob under the blue check mark keyboard warriors on twitter in their basement almost giddy after assuming the shooter was an angry white man. today we learned that the suspect in custody as a man 21 years old, syrian born, named ahmad alissa apparently charged with ten counts of first-degree murder, his motive is not fully known at this time. on social media, he reportedly railed against donald trump and his islamophobia is apparently he was muslim. his family describes them as severely paranoid, mentally ill, claims he did not have any political motives, much more in my monologue in just a moment but first running is for the latest details, trace gallagher. >> witnesses say the shooter walked into the grocery store, did not say a word, open fire, pause, and open fire again including boulder police officer. the 21-year-old suspect is ahmad alissa born in syria, moved to the u.s. when he was three. his sister called him quiet, his brother calls have been disturbed and paranoid and social media shows the suspect did believe he was being followed and that his former high school had hacked into his cell phone possibly for islamophobic reasons. he also posted anti-trump statements including how he deeply disliked of the former president for his response to immigration and refugees posting "trump such a d word." former classmates of the alleged shooter said he was short tempered, violent and once after losing a wrestling match threatened to "kill everyone." he also sucker punched a classmate for no reason and was sentenced to probation and community service. the weapon used in the shooting was reportedly bought by the suspect last week. >> sean: trace gallagher, thank you. we look at the fact that they hate donald trump, this guy hates donald trump so much, we'd say they're responsible. no, he is responsible just like when steve scalise got shot in the ball field by a bernie sanders supporter, i don't blame bernie sanders and i don't blame socialist radical democrats, i blame the person responsible. liberals, if this guy supported term, they'd say see, conservative radio made it happen. no, that's not the case and i want to make the same phony allegations against liberal democrats. we do send our deepest condolences and prayers to those who lost loved ones and those that are suffering and border colorado tonight. sadly, many on the left want to use this horrific event for political purposes within minutes of the shooting without knowing anything, many taking to twitter again as usual predictably rushing to judgment and a now deleted tweet, the vice president's adult knees tweeting "violent white men of the greatest terrorist threat to our country. one editor for deadspin and wrote "extremely tired of people's lives depending on whether a white man with an ar-15 is having a good day or not. a race and inclusion editor at "usa today" responded "it's always an angry white man, always. i can go on a nonwith tweets just like this but now that the shooter has been identified, syrian born muslim, the left simply moved on to another political attack tactic and that is never let a crisis go to waste my now the hysteria surrounding gun control has predictably taken over washington, d.c. chuck schumer vowed to bring a new gun control restrictions to the senate floor, joe biden is now promised to bring so-called bad assault rifles to rule by executive fiat once again bypassing that coequal branch of government known as the legislative branch, barack obama was weighted who loads the second amendment and is speaking out. he is making in impassioned plea for new gun bans and of course, the media mob, the extension of all things radical socialist democrats are demanding broad new gun bans. take a look. >> i remember the newtown massacre and feeling if not now, when? and those efforts largely came to not at least federally. what can you do now to make a difference this time around? >> countries around the world say what is wrong with you, united states of america. >> i feel like a hostage of the selfish people that feel like owning these types of weapons. that is not freedom in this country. you are not a patriot because you think you have the right to own these types of weapons. >> there laughing at us, they think we are crazy in this country which we are and now that we have democrats in control, they need to do something about it. >> sean: okay, i know that hard-hitting news show the view. let me ask you a question, whatever american supposed to do for an armed intruder enters their home? just sit around, call 911, wait for the police that may likely be defunded where they live and do nothing to protect their families? god forbid i never want this to happen to anybody but what if somebody god forbid broke into your house, wants to bring harm to you or your family? what are you going to do? and don't say call the police. remember, new york city just cut $1 billion from the annual police budget. what god forbid would you do? how would you protect yourself? i know what i would do. i will protect myself and my family. someone might want to inform joy behar and barack obama and joe biden, they have full-time security but most americans do not have access to private security detail in the second amendment is extremely important to them. so they can have protection like all of these politicians and rich hollywood stars have. earlier today during a senate hearing on gun control, senator ted cruz summed it up like this. take a look. >> every time there's a shooting, we play this ridiculous theater where this committee gets together and proposes a bunch of laws that would do nothing to stop these murders. after every mass shooting, a democrat proposes taking away guns from law-abiding citizens because that's their political objective, but what they propose not only does it not reduce crime, it makes it worse. i agree it's a time for action and i don't apologize or thoughts or prayers. i will lift up in prayer people who are hurting and i believe when the power of prayer. the contempt of democrats for prayer is an odd sociological thing but i also agree thoughts and prayers alone are not enough. we need action. >> sean: joining us now with more as the texas senator himself ted cruz. i love that line, i'm not going to apologize for thoughts or prayers nor will he will apologize for the right of the people to keep and bear arms and protect themselves and their family, thank you for standing up for our constitution and the second amendment because apparently many are not an joe biden is threatening executive action. >> that's exactly right and the modern-day left as more and more extreme. they had this bizarre and to god your prayers. the first thing you do when someone has lost a loved one as you reach out and say i'm lifting you up in prayer, and praying for you, your family, i know your hurting and may god's peace be with you in the left treats that like how dear you believe there is an omnipotent god who could actually love you and care for you. but more broadly than that, we see this cynical pattern whenever there is a mass murderer and i have to say we have had a way to many of these mass murderers. i represented texas in the senate for nine years now. i have been santa fe high school, less than an hour away from my home. i was down at santa fe high school with an hour of that shooting. it was horrific, the crazed madman who murdered those kids. el paso, the crazed racist bigot who murdered the people at that walmart, i was there for that. dallas, 15 police officers were murdered by a radical leftist, i was there for that i have to tell you sutherland springs, the worst church suiting in u.s. history, i was there the day after the shooting in that sanctuary, i saw with my own eyes the blood and shattered glass on the agony and the incredible love of that community. there have been to many of these and we need to stop them but the democrats proposal every time is always the same which is take away guns from law-abiding citizens. if that is their political agenda every single day, it doesn't work, and in fact it makes it worse because it disarms the potential victims and makes them vulnerable to criminals. if you want to stop them, what works is you target the bad guys. you go after felons and fugitives among those with serious mental illness to stop them from getting guns and when they try to illegally buy a firearm, you lock them up and put them in jail and back in 2013, i introduced legislation that targeted the bad guys and direct the department of justice to prosecute felons and fugitives that try to illegally buy guns. the democrats in 2013 filibustered, got 52 votes on the floor of the senate, nine democrats voted for it so it was the most bipartisan support of any of the comprehensive legislation and yet here he read in the democrats, chuck schumer and the rest of the liberals filibustered it, he didn't pass. i'll tell you if it had passed, there was a very good chance sutherland springs wouldn't have happened because the criminal who had committed a felony and was ineligible to buy guns, never reported his conviction to the background database and when he tried to illegally buy the gun, his conviction wasn't there and he murdered those people. if it had passed, they would've prosecuted him, would've put him in jail and he would have been in a jail cell instead of in that beautiful sanctuary. >> sean: currently is the democrats also when we were watching bricks and rocks and bottles and frozen water bottles and molotov cocktails and nearly 3,000 cops injured, 30 people killed, arson, looting, taking over of police precincts, burning them to the ground, allowing city blocks to be taken over, autonomous zones, summer of love, spaghetti potluck dinners, are they the same ones that were telling us every day that these are not riots, these are peaceful protests, that's what i remember from last summer. >> that's exactly right and these are rich liberals who have their own security detail would say that you shouldn't be able to protect your own family. we had a hearing that in 2020, the rate of gun buying went up dramatically and it may not particularly among minority communities, hispanics and asian-americans and one of the questions i asked at the hearing was how much did the riots of 2020, antifa, black lives matter riots that were burning our cities looting stores and murdering police officers, how much of that contributed and the witness testimony was quite a bit. i could tell you when houston when these riots were happening, there were stories about how violent mobs were going to come into the suburbs and raid people's homes and in houston that would not work out well because people believe in the right to keep and bear arms and if you come after their families, you're going to meet the business end of a firearm and that is a fundamental right for texans and the bill of rights. every year, firearms are used in a defensive situation to stop a criminal about a million times a year and the democrats want to take that away which endangers you and your family and they opposed targeting the bad guys in the criminals. you want to stop gun violence? go after the bad guys, that's what works and protects the second amendment. >> sean: amazing how joe biden thinks he can bypass congress again. constitutionally, he doesn't have the authority. great job today, thank you. when we come back, the far left policies continue to have horrific consequences. senator lindsey graham will join us to react to the crisis at the border, the latest on the left radical agenda spending 3 trillion more of your hard-earned dollars, a lot of it on the green new deal straight ahead. want to save hundreds on your wireless bill? with xfinity mobile, you can. how about saving hundreds on the new samsung galaxy s21 ultra 5g? you can do that too. all on the most reliable network? sure thing! and with fast, nationwide 5g included - at no extra cost? we've got you covered. so join the carrier rated #1 in customer satisfaction... ...and learn how much you can save at xfinitymobile.com/mysavings. >> sean: joe biden's border crisis is worsening by the day, frankly by the hour and what we are seeing playing out on the border is entirely self-inflicted, entirely a creation of his open borders agenda, just look at this, now learning tonight the biden administration reportedly has only expelled 13% of migrant families in the last week and according to axios, that means just 13% of nearly 13,000 family members attempting to cross the u.s.-mexico border illegally will return to mexico between march 14th and march 21st and that's under title 42. that's open borders plain and simple and biden in the democrats destructive agenda is on full display all across the board as the biden team is now plotting to unveil yet another reckless spending package, this one with a price tag of 3 trillion more dollars on top of the 2 trillion they just spent an that's expected to be packed with a lot of green new deal climate measures and that's not all because the efforts could also to give d.c. statehood appears to be gaining some steam among democrats on capitol hill which again would be nothing more than a blatant and shameless power grab the stack the senate with two more democratic senators. here was a reaction to all of this and much more, south carolina senator lindsey graham. following the laws that your branch of government passed on immigration, now they want to bypass your branch as it comes to the issue of guns than they want d.c. statehood in puerto rico statehood, they think that will give them for additional democratic senators in perpetuity and that means a majority in perpetuity. your reaction. >> it's insane at multiple levels but congratulations to sara carter and your team. if this is proven to be true and i have no doubt it is, all i can say -- let me tell you this, according to your reporting is supposed to hold 80 people, they were 694 children in pod three a being managed by two border control agents. god bless the border patrol, god bless the custom agents who were dealing with the biden administration show at the border. i am going down with 18 senators friday and if i deny the ability to look into anyplace i want to go, we are going to shut the senate down. where is aoc, elizabeth warren, vice president harris who basically protested outside of the facility in homestead, florida, during the trump years holding migrant children? here's my message, president biden and vice president harris, with all due respect, go and look and see what you have caused by policies that will not work, quit denying the obvious, this is not a crisis, it's beyond a crisis, it's a national security disaster in the making, inhumane situation caused by bad policy, it will never change, president biden, and until you tell everybody to go home and stop bringing people into the united states. if you're not willing to do those two things, we will have a million people at our border by june. >> sean: i wish i was wrong. i predicted they would implement the most radical legislation in history, i told this audience they would try to eliminate the legislative filibuster. george biden said he now supports that. i talked about they would try to pack the courts and they now have a commission studying that very thing. i mentioned d.c. in puerto rico statehood and that is also happening. i also predicted they would rule by executive fiat, they want open borders and amnesty. so far, 4 for 4 and 5 for 5 if you want to add they destroy the energy sector. >> right. this is big news. can you imagine what would be happening tomorrow morning if we found these emails on president trump's watch? can you imagine the news tomorrow when you had 694 children in a pod meant for 80 people managed by two border patrol agents, can you imagine the problems with covid we are experiencing at the border? 14,000 unaccompanied children a month coming because the first thing they did was decide to exempt unaccompanied children from title 42 deportation. have a child makes it into america, they will stay in america and won't be sent back. that's being abolished. if you get to america, they will release you in america. they have created this problem because they change policies. where are the liberals going to the border and looking at the kids like they did with trump? all i can say is i'm going down with 18 senators and if they deny me the ability to go where i want to go and see what i want to see, we are going to shut the senate down. >> sean: you are going, senator ted cruz is going, going this friday, we will be there with you and our cameras will be there and i want to ask you this -- i don't want to hear any more lectures about mask wearing and social distancing after looking at these videos, 900% over capacity here literally sleeping on top of each other and frankly those plastic containers, those pods are the new kids in cages and maybe because i've asked and i've been trying and we've had reporters try them i can you see if maybe you can get inside the cargo shipping containers that they are also dumping kids in the mother one with a tiny window with bars on it? i like to see what those conditions look like. >> i'd hate to be the guy that told me know that is not the border patrol agents, they are doing a terrific job under terrible circumstances. president biden needs to get to the border along with his vice president right now. you need to go to the border, mr. president. you need to take a good nap and get to the border. >> sean: he has to prepare most of the week for his big press conference on thursday, finally one agenda item today, just one, most days he spent sleeping. senator graham, thank you. we will be watching closely on friday. when we come back, florida governor ron desantis is hitting back against indoctrinating our kids with what's called a critical race theory, continues to thrive through the pandemic well new york, new jersey, pennsylvania, california, michigan have done disastrous jobs. governor desantis next. by over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens. try claritin cool mint chewabls for powerful allergy relief plus a cooling sensation. live claritin clear. >> sean: florida governor ron desantis is once again showing bold decisive leadership taking action to eliminate the destructive critical race theory from florida schools and also under his proposal teachers would receive a $3,000 bonus for getting credentialed in civics education which would not include "unsanctioned narratives like the far left critical race theory which seeks to inject racial divisions, hatred, resentment for america into our school kids and the response just like i've been saying, he mobilized every agency in the state and he used it to protect the most vulnerable, elderly population of florida. those were pre-existing conditions, while governors like cuomo and bill de blasio, governor wolf and murphy and gavin newsom got it wrong. of florida took early steps to protect the most vulnerable, blue states to the opposite. here with reaction, florida governor ron desantis. how long have your schools been open because they just opened in new york city this week. >> they've been open all year down here in florida when you set all those great things and it makes me wonder when you will pull the trigger and become a florida resident because there's a lot of great stuff. >> sean: i own a piece of property. i'm in the mix. >> there you go. there's a lot of parts of florida that are handed a country so i know a lot of us would love to see you but we've had kids in school the whole time, we've had businesses open, everyone has a right to work in florida, operate businesses and as a result, unemployment rate 4.8%, national averages 6.3%, the lockdown states like new york and california are eight and 9%. >> sean: i have those numbers while you are describing them, go ahead. >> so you have the economic success, you have the school success which is maybe going to be the most important thing out of all of this but as you mention, we focused on protecting elderly people so florida, there's 40 other states in her country that have higher for cavity mortality in the state of florida, we went with the nursing homes, we protected them, provide testing for seniors and then seniors first on the vaccination so our approach was superior to the lockdown states, florida is doing well, obviously we have more to do with finding things like critical race theory and also taking on big tech, one of the only states to be willing to do that so we have more work to do but we are much better off right now than anyone would've predicted a year ago. >> explain why you made this decision on critical race theory. >> it's two parts. i do think we need to rediscover in our k-12 system the founding of the country, what makes the country unique, our constitution, our founding fathers, some of the great figures throughout our history with her a lincoln or mlk or reagan winning the cold war but when you do that, it has to be true when solid and effectual and you can't let it become infected with left-wing ideology like critical race theory. critical race theory is basically teaching people to hate our country, hate each other, it's divisive and an identity politics version of marxism's right of think it has anyplace in the classroom, certainly shouldn't be funded by tax dollars so as we are doing this bold civics initiative which is important, i think people like that but a lot of people look at it and say they'd better be teaching the right stuff we will have it depoliticize curriculum, not going to let that stuff in there and that will serve students well in the state of florida for years to come. >> sean: i read that your ranking is significantly low when compared to other states in terms of education and the schools are doing a lot better than some of these blue states, throughout this pandemic, there seem to be moments where andrew cuomo was taunting you saying if you're coming from florida, you need to show us that you have a negative test or whatever the criteria was at the time, now that we know that he literally allowed, brought covid patients into nursing homes when he should have been protecting the elderly population and also sent them by executive order into group homes and then when they discovered it was an utter failure rather than ask a bad decision, they double down on it, then the cover-up started, then he wrote a book on leadership. i know it's not a contest between you and andrew cuomo but certainly the different approaches, we've learned a lot in the last year. >> we band sending covid positive residents back to nursing homes because we knew it would be hazardous and we wanted to protect those folks so we did that right and we were able to save thousands of lives as a result. >> sean: all right, governor, great job. i'm stuck up here. >> could get you a driver's license in 2 minutes, nice florida driver's license, just let me know. >> sean: you may regret this offer because i'm not one of those new yorkers coming down that is still going to vote for the crazy policies that they voted for up here. if i come to florida, i am staying a conservative, you don't have to worry about it. you may regret this because i'm going to be your worst nightmare. i have potholes in my street and need to have them fixed. i'm teasing. but thank you your warm invitation. half the country is moving there already so i know it's growing by leaps and bounds and rightly so, great job, thank you. after weeks of hiding from the public, biden is finally holding his first press conference on thursday. we will preview this looming disaster for the white house although joe was practicing so much it may not be the big total disaster, it's those unscripted moments where joe i need my car, my name is joe, my wife's name is jill. i live at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. it won't be like that, that i can tell you. lara trump his neck straight ahead. >> sean: joe biden finally scheduled to hold a solo news conference on thursday waiting the longest to do so of any president in the modern era now before thursday's presser, i have a few questions of my own for the ever so weak and frail and cognitively struggling joe biden. joe, have you and will you take a cognitive test and beyond biden's cognitive struggles, many other questions he needs to answer for example mr. president, can you guarantee that every migrant that comes across the border illegally will be tested for covid, not now realized the mistake of the border policies and may be reinstitute the stay in mexico policy, may be and the idiocy of catch and release held the same standards that apply to the rest of us, shouldn't they apply apply to illegal immigrants? i don't see you complaining about their lack of social distancing inside those overcrowded facilities you are showing earlier in the show. the cargo shipping containers that allegedly had butterflies on the windows, do you believe that your policies and rhetoric encourage the southern border, many migrants on camera are saying you encouraged all of this. here with reaction, lara trump is with us. the fact that he had nothing on the schedule saturday, sunday, monday, and one event today tells me i'm guessing just conjecture on my part that joe is likely practicing because he needs practice before any big moment. >> it sort of reminiscent of the campaign. he sort of hid out in his basement. we didn't see him for a long time during the campaign. he went weeks at certain points without ever coming out of his house in delaware, so this is no different. we thought maybe we would get a little more transparency from joe biden should he ever get to this point. we haven't. you just said it, this is the first time in over 100 years that it has taken this long for a president to do a press conference and i sure hope that the mainstream media is ready. i sure hope they ask him questions about the southern border. i'd like to ask him does he think any of his policies so far have benefited the american people? go far, we've seen energy jobs leave america, auto plants are now going back to mexico when under donald trump they came here to america, he got people back to work, he got things up and running, joe biden is turning it all around. does he think it was positive that he has effected a generation of young women with this equality act taking away opportunities that they might have via women sports scholarships and their future? but i suspect that what we are going to hear from the media when they question joe biden and something more along the lines of what flavor milk shake had he gotten that day, so we will see. >> sean: i'm expecting what do you find enchanting about the office, a question barack obama. vladimir putin took shots at his cognitive abilities. the chinese lecturing our delegation and our secretary of state in alaska on the issue of human rights, do you believe that the things that i see, joe being weak and frail and struggling cognitively are enemies and are taking liberties that they wouldn't take if your father-in-law were still president? >> i'm sure that's playing a big factor in absolutely, they see a much weaker person and joe biden being president of the united states than they ever did in donald trump. when he drew a line in the sand, he meant it and they knew it. they knew not to test him and to push him or boundaries but with joe biden, it's pretty clear they could do whatever they want and there's really nothing that joe biden is going to do, he hasn't stood up to anyone so far. he has a complete disaster on the southern border, he is making us look like a bunch of fools as americans and we want strength. peace through strength was always donald trump's motto and it worked. we did not enter one unnecessary war under donald trump's tenure as president of the united states, he brought the troops back home and we were out of the endless wars. under joe biden, i think they see exactly what you're saying, he is weak and frail and somebody that can be pushed around and it's really scary to be an american right now. >> sean: it's embarrassing, good question. still considering a run for senate in north carolina, your home state. >> always your exit question, yes. i am still considering it, absolutely. >> sean: lara trump, thank you for being with us, more hannity after this. of two immunotherapies that works differently. it could mean a chance to live longer. opdivo plus yervoy is for adults newly diagnosed with non-small cell lung cancer that has spread and that tests positive for pd-l1 and does not have an abnormal egfr or alk gene. opdivo plus yervoy is the first and only fda-approved combination of two immunotherapies opdivo plus yervoy equals... a chance for more starry nights. more sparkly days. more big notes. more small treasures. more family dinners. more private desserts. opdivo and yervoy can cause your immune system to attack healthy parts of your body during and after treatment. these problems can be severe 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game shows, doctors being subjected to the hate, the range of cancel culture. that's sad, very sad. let not your heart be troubled. laura ingraham is next. we are always independent, not the media mob. >> laura: they are intellectual pygmies. they can't debate. they can have actual conversations so i have to block everything else out. it's very mature and shortsighted and it's backfiring. i'm glad we are documenting this but i don't think it's working. they are starting to eat their own which is what we predicted. anyway. all right, hannity. we've got to roll. i'm laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle" from washington. democrats are coming for your guns and they will use any tools at their disposal no matter how unconstitutional. senator josh hawley is here the potential backlash. the border crisis isor
lifted lida gustavo petro promises to an to decades of conflict. but he also faces a long list of social and economic challenges. ah, i'm jarrett read welcome to the shore. a ceasefire, broken by egypt has gone into effect following 3 days of deadly violence between israel and the palestinian islamic jihad militant group authorities in gaza. say at least $43.00 people including children, were killed in is riley as strikes since friday. hundreds more people have been injured. palestinian militants logged a barrage of rockets towards eas, routing response. it's the biggest escalation in violence in the region that's been seen in more than a year. i'm joined now by stephen cook. he's the middle east analyst with the council on foreign relations in washington. welcome to d, w. this egypt broke and si, fi is now in effects between israel and islam. mac jihad militants, in gaza. how optimistic argued that the sci fi is going to hold? well let's get through the night 1st and then we can think more about the next couple of days. these are always, these fires are always quite fragile. the palestinian islamic jihad, there is a variety of use within the palestinian islamic jihad and whether we continue to fight against news railey. but so for i think that you really have won this round. so there's every interest or it's on the hard to maintain the bar. ok, so thinking of winning this round, israel says most of the military leadership of the islamic jihad group has been quote, neutralized in this operation. what do you make of this statement? well they really have tory have succeeded in targeting very high value islam of g hide leaders starting with the arrest last week, but some of 80 who is the west bank leader of the time. and she had and killing the chief of operations in both in northern and southern gaza strip this very, very successful for them from their perspective. it's worth whatever international condemnation then they come as a result of the collateral damage in killing of civilians in the process. so i don't have a real reason to lie about that. they had every reason to publicize the fact that it's taken out, at least the, the read people. ok. now garza's ruling, how mosque group has so fast died out of this latest fighting. what does this tell you about in a palestinian relations? well, this is the probably the most interesting aspect of this round of violets because it's always a competition between islam of jihad and him. us over who can proved themselves to be more nationalists than the other. and the expectation was that hallmarks would join in not so much that a solid garrity with islamic jihad, but to ensure that it did not lose any kind of political support in relation to islamic jihad. but it seems that he got the message from the israelis after the 11 day war in may 2021 and really don't have the capacity to take on the israelis at this time. so they basically, beside their words of support were funky, had leadership that has now been killed by israeli. they have set this one out. okay, now if the fire has gone into a sake you've said, let's wait out the night to see how it holds. how likely do you think that this could perhaps re escalate into, into some kind of ability of doing that. keep in mind that palestinian islamic jihad is supported by iran, as is his belie in lebanon. it has happened before that violence in the west bank has led not with me. my apologies, in regards to strip, has led to violence along israel's northern board and war in the summer of 2006 is precisely that scenario. and you can look at this military operation on the part of the rose as part of its broader shadow war. against iran and its proxy is around the region. so there is that possibility that this could broadening some case. but as of now let's keep our fingers crossed, that it doesn't do that. and that is for me to has gotten the message that escalation is not really an option for them. ok, that was steven cook with the council on foreign relations in washington. steven, thank you for your very clear analysis. thanks so much. while a 2nd convoy carrying ukrainian grain has left ports in the black sea, the 40 sheets are carrying nearly 170000 tons. a complex multinational agreement allows grain to travel to countries where it's desperately needed. but the 1st vessel to leave ukraine has not yet reached its destination in lebanon tripoli, port people are eager to see the rezone. but the ship carrying grain from ukraine is nowhere to be seen. it is not certain whether it will reach the lebanese port at all. an unwelcome surprise for the ukrainian ambassador who travelled here specially politically, it was ready, clear decision. first russell coming from odessa to tripoli to lebanon. but there are other components or like business to business relations and maybe take some time to finalize the situation. there was only unexpectedly changed course while at sea and is now anchored near turkey. it's loaded with 26000 tons of mace. tripoli has been waiting for months, but mostly for wheat imports. lebanon relies heavily on wheat from abroad. last week bakeries and bay rude and tripoli round short of flour and hundreds cued for hours for a piece of flat bread. ah, then it is humiliating for the people all of it. for a piece of bread. i keep course we're a freight dipper worry about not getting any bread. even if the rezone makes it a tripoli, lebanon will still need wheat. as for the maze on the ukrainian ship, it is still not clear whether it has a new destination. let's take a look out some of the other stories making headlines to day. the u. s. senate has passed a sweeping climate tax and health plan. democrats approved president george biden's, $430000000000.00 vending bill, which now goes to the house of representatives. republicans have criticized the cost of the plan, which is america's biggest climate investment. nearly a 1000 people were stranded after flooding in the death valley in the u. s. which is one of the hottest and dry as places in the world floods and not unusual in the area. but these are some of the largest in nearly 20 years. and police in brazil's capital have arrested a german diplomat on suspicion, a suspicion of killing his husband, the suspect. tal brazilian authorities that his partner, a belgian national fill and hit his head after becoming ill. but investigators say the victim was severely beaten to columbia now, which has just sworn in its 1st left of prison, mocking a shift from many years of conflict. integration of gustavo petro, a former gorilla fighter, is being held as a historic day for columbia. the new president aimed to revitalize peace talks, we the rebel groups which have been fighting the government for 6 decades. petro is also promising to fight inequality and bring in environmental reforms. and d. w correspondent, johan ramirez, is outside congress in bogota, where the yogi ration has now taken place. johann, hi, there. this is being held as a really historic turning po in colombian. history. could you tell us a bit more why it is a major change, an event. the ceremony that just took place behind us in this man to square off for booklet dar, this ceremony was the food off the symbolism to show that change. for example, that president didn't walked over the traditional red carpet, something that every president before a team had done before. he sort of c, shunt team invited all that, did that population general citizens to take to the streets to be part of the ceremony. this event that was usually just for politicians for the political leads at 2 days since the beginning of the day was sold, the almost thousands of people taking to the streets to be part of this ceremony. but beyond the symbolism, this is a major change. this is the 1st time that a left is to president take power in columbia, and this is also the 1st time that a former reify fighter takes power in columbia. let's remember that this country went under a hardball sebring war, which lasted more than 50 years on which ducal the life of more than 260000 people . and that some moments back in the 8. this gustavo bates are 2 days president was part of one of those, the records fighting a war against the states. so for many people, the fact that now he becomes president means that columbia had learned how to deal with their problems in peace and through democratic democratic means. it's clearly an occasion that means a lot to a lot of people. now, a gustavo petro is inheriting a long list of problems, some of which you into that day he's promised to tackle them. what's his top priority? i did, did the dub, prioritize the fees agenda, master b car been poverty, an inequality as he is the 1st president. first, the left is president, the, the, in the history, the, there are expectations that he can tackle those historic social problems. and he cost to work on those issues very weakly. actually, it is suspected that tomorrow his 1st day in office, he said ministration with re sent a fax reform bill in congress another to re kick quality to the concert. he needs to present a short term solutions to the population in those to each of poverty on at walden to okay. johan, just quickly, if you could, by petro side will be the country's 1st ava, afro colombian woman vice president. could you tell us a bit more about her? she's the 1st vice president, blah, blah for american vice president. she is a single mother. she's a victim of the war. she had to let to leave her home town because of the war. so in many ways, she represents many, many things that cologne colombian, women's lives every single day, and that's why she has been so popular here among the population. okay, just quickly, what's her name? francois marcus for a car. this is the name of the, the new vice president of the country. okay, that was our correspondent, johan ramirez, reporting from bogota. thank you johan. to football now and german giant shall cut my dare returned to the buddhist league after a season in the 2nd tier. but it was not an easy return for the royal blue as they lost away to cologne side who were without, based on man before the match, it was confirmed cologne would be losing star striker, antony modesto, who was out of the squad ahead of his move to proceed dormant a blow to the host spot. they were handed a boost. 10 minutes before half time shuck is dominic dex la was sent off for a dangerous tackle on captain jonas hector shortly after the break. cologne made use of the numerical advantage. hacksaw finding lucca killian to open the scoring just after the hour mark slowly unkind, doubled the lead. as the host seemed perfectly capable of compensating the loss of modesto, who had notched up 20 goals for them last season, shall kit then showed a sign of life. as thomas oberon's re kick found, substitute matthews booter to make it to one. but the hope didn't last long as 4 minutes later cologne struck again to seal a 31 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he is working to get a artful deal put together in hopes that perhaps they can take another crack at this thing as soon as tomorrow. good evening, everybody. i'm martha maccallum. that is where we are. quite of excitement on day 63 of the first 100. we got our cameras on the hill. we will head there. first, our other huge story tonight, brenda fox news reporting on allegations that the obama administration may have effectively used the fbi and nsa to get inside information on the incoming trup team phd day, devin nunes said that he was not sorry that he revealed to the president new information that u.s. intel agencies may have surveilled communications involving members of the trump transition team, and then the intel agencies and perhaps the white house and the doj altered the rules to permit spreading that sensitive information so it could essentially be gawked at by a wider circle of insiders. is that okay? here is chairman nunes in an interview that will air later tonight on "hannity." >> i will say that the dissemination was pretty far and wide, and like i said before, it appears to me that it was all legal. the question is, should it have been done in the first place? did it meet for an intelligence value. and secondly, or any other american names unmasked, and i have information that says that there were. >> martha: information that more names were unmasked. training me now, dr. charles krauthammer, fox news contributor. thank you for being here. we're sort of on date two of this particular chapter of this story, and devin nunes says basically that he is not sorry that he went ahead and share this information with the president. what do you think? >> i think he did make a mistake in the sequence of these revelations going to the press, than the white house, then to his committee. in fact come up we hear from reports that in meeting with his committee today, he did actually offer an apology for not having told the committee first, which is what you would expect. the mainstream media have been harping on that as if that is the main story here. it's not. it's a sideshow of a sideshow of a sideshow. something he shouldn't have done. but the fact is that he saw something that disturbed him and that he thought ought to be revealed. the problem we had is that we don't know enough of the facts. we do know there is a charge against the trump administration that there was collusion with the russian campaign. there is an investigation of that. we also know it was trump's own charge of being wiretapped. for which there was no evidence, wiretapping of trump tower. now there is this third story. which is nunes' charge that there was improper use of the information picked up legally and incidentally in the surveillance of foreign folks. which, of course, is allowed, which we do, but normally you are supposed to mask the names. his charge, and we would have known if there was one improper use of that in the surveilling and leaking up the name of general flynn. now, whether or not he acted properly or not is not the issue. but there seems to have been an abuse of the system here. the nunes charge, as you have shown in that clip, is that it was widespread and systematic. that is what he said. we need to see the evidence. but one it goes back to "the new york times" story, and in that story, it was revealed that they went to great lengths to open up the channels and make it easier for more people in a wider circle to see the transcripts of conversations or the emails that the nsa has gotten their hands on. in that story, charles, the overwhelming feeling is that there were do-gooders, that is how they saw themselves, we have to make sure the country knows what the administration was up to. if we didn't leave these tea leaves and open these doors, it was all going to go away, and they would never know. that is a pretty big assumption to say, we are going to change these rules because we have decided that this is what is best for the american people. >> and there is a second problematic aspect which is the way the information was achieved in the first place. you are supposed to, when you are listening in on the foreign people, let's say ambassadors from other countries, and according to nunes, this is not russia. these are non-russian people. that's perfectly legitimate. when you pick up incidental americans, you are supposed to protect their identities. the question is, where they are abusing statute by using the foreign is driving as an excuse, an avenue to get in, and that the real purpose was to listen in on americans. that's the larger charge. that would be a pretty big violation of what you're supposed to do. the lesser charge is, they overshot on flynn or perhaps they improperly unmasked the name of somebody else. but the question is, was there an intent to abuse the listening in on the foreigners as a way to get inside and improperly is the name on americans. and as you know, that's the one thing these agents are not supposed to do. in the absence of a court order, you don't go listening in on american citizens. >> martha: they are supposed to be apolitical. the report, the intelligence. that's the job. it is not to become a spy or to trade information to an outgoing administration about an outgoing one. charles, thank you so much. joining me now is a former intel committee chair peter hoekstra who says that the bottom line here is that of chairman nunes is accurate and there were raw intelligence reports in the white house of intercepted american phone calls, that is unprecedented. democratic analyst also joining us and fox news contributor. pete, given what we know today, do you think that is what happened, and what is the motivation? why do they want to call, the word be used, at this information? the names peeled off, have a look at what was going on in this? >> i want to make a couple of points, martha. i want to correct charles a little bit. not only when given foreign intelligence is collected on americans, not only do the names have to be masked, but before that information is ever shared throughout the community or the white house or wherever, there has to be a compelling reason for national security, for why this information has to leave. if you collect on americans, foreign intelligence agencies, that information should be deep-sixed and thus there is a compelling reason. if there is a compelling reason, you can share it, but it has to be masked. what it appears happened here, these transcripts were shared and went all the way to the white house, raw intelligence. in my ten years on the committee, i never saw raw intelligence. i only saw intelligence analysis. that is a huge breach of confidence. why? who knows. it's interesting. >> martha: and the person who has her job now says that when he saw this brief flow of information, he said he only saw about a dozen but there's a lot more, that it alarmed him. he found it alarming that our intel agencies would be allowing this information and free flow. actually, what do you think? democrats in the past, including al franken, have complained about this 702 rule, that it can easily be misused and abused. >> there are two issues, we have late-breaking news this afternoon and early this evening that chairman nunes conceded that it may not even be that there were any trump transition members on these interceptions, that is may have even been as little as foreigners discussing the trump transition. >> martha: just to clarify, he's not sure -- what it seems to say, could have been phone calls, could have been emails. not sure how many people were grouped into those was the entrance but with god a long way to go on those. >> that detail is important. that means there were not trump transition people, maybe foreigners discussing the transition, which is a huge difference. this point was made really well in the washington journal today, this has gotten so toxic on both sides that there is really no faith on either side that when or if the truth comes out it will, in fact cannot be the truth. and i think it is time for jim comey or whoever is, in fact, in charge of this operation -- coats but one that is a great question in and of itself. >> we need to fish or cut bait, unfair to trump administration to have this hanging over their head since july, apparently, but also unfair to the american people to have speculation on both sides without any clarifying answers. i think it is time that they come out with whatever they have. i understand there is an investigation going on. that is just not fair to the american people or, frankly, to him. >> martha: we need resolution. thank you so much, both of you. we'll continue to talk about this as it moves forward. breaking tonight, house republicans will be up late tonight, as in all night, perhaps, as they scrambled to secure the votes needed to pass the health care bill. they may give it another go tomorrow, and we should find that out over the course of this evening. going to be joined by congressman adam consider. talk about how he's trying to convince his fellow members that this whole thing is a good idea, plus terrific news on the horrific rape case out of rockville, maryland, where there is no information. both illegals involved, so say the attorneys, our innocence. the latest when we come back. >> now come up with this policy, we say when our law enforcement arrests somebody, their hands will be tied as far as working with i.c.e. and federal authorities even if these are authorities even if these are terrorists, gang members, did you know slow internet can actually hold your business back? 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>> well, everybody is interested, right? we are all waiting. we don't know exactly where the boat cart vote count is. we want to move forward and follow through on the promises we made to the american people, and we've got a conference that is happening here very soon. we're going to probably talk about this. ultimately, we have to be able to get to yes. that's the difference between being in charge now versus being in the opposition party. voting though is easy. but governing and getting to yes is difficult, and we are all going to have to make that decision on our own. i hope we can get there. >> martha: the president was meeting with members of the tuesday group, it seems to me that they are trying to -- they sort of went a little bit toward the conservatives on this and made some of them happy but some of the moderates sort of fell off the front end of the raft and the water, right? >> again, the art of this is very difficult, as he made concessions to one group, another may be doesn't like it. the obamacare, democrats had the cornhusker kickback, the louisiana purchase, they loaded it up with earmarks. we don't do earmarks come i don't have that option. it has to be on people's goodwill that this moves forward. i hope some of my friends and colleagues in the freedom caucus can get to yes. that's where we need to be. again, you'll never see a perfect bill, a danger of letting good become perfect, we need to move forward. >> martha: are we going to see a vote on this tomorrow? >> i hope so. i think there'll be more direction we have immediate staked out about it, i hope we can get it done tomorrow. move on to our next promises. >> martha: good to see her tonight. joining me now commend david mcintosh, president of the club for growth a , firmly agait this, -- conservative enough and repeals the heart of obamacare. good to have you both here. david, let me start with you, if i were to bring or if the president were to bring, which might work better, rand paul into the room and paul ryan into the room and say, we are going to have a bill at the end of this conversation, what would it look like, and what would your side be willing to concede? >> yeah, i think the conservatives would say, at this point, if you simply make sure you put some provisions in there that will really reduce the cost of insurance, that's the core of the promise they have made in four elections to get rid of obamacare. and paul ryan keeps saying, i don't want to do that. he kind of says the senate can't, but the house can, and he is in charge of the house. the way you do that, you reveal the obamacare regulations, then you require insurance companies to compete nationwide, one of president trump's key promises lester in the campaign. i think they are getting close if they can just get to the point where they can keep those last two promises, i think you'll see it. >> martha: doug, what do you think about that? >> i think there are two problems. cbo has already scored the bill as reducing premiums, down 10% at the end of the decade, and -- >> but they are doubled. small amounts. that's hardly anything. >> that is an artifact of the fact that the cbo is using all data, it doesn't have anywhere in this analysis, sought in the third year, if you compared to 2017 numbers, the numbers are down. this is a nonissue. the other thing is, everything david said requires 60 votes in the senate, you're not going to get 60 votes in the senate. a nice fantasy, but not the vote they have to take, and the boat they have to take is one way this bill, which repeals the taxes, the greatest entitlement reform this country has ever seen, relies on and individual freedom, it does all of those things and is a great step toward a better place. it serves the american people who are trapped in these obamacare system and an underperforming medicare system. >> martha: seems like there is a lot of competition between the house and the senate. already saying, forget it. you guys do it you want. if you want to bring it over, we're going to basically start from scratch. you would like to see the repeal passed in the house and then begin the replaced part in the senate? is that right? >> i think if they totally repeal it and replace it with what they have in the house, conservatives would like that. i don't think they have to do a two-part bill. the house isn't constrained by the same rules. the parliamentarian actually telling some senders -- i saw a tweet from one of them -- no, i haven't made a ruling yet on whether we can get rid of those regulations. pass it in the house and take it to the senate and see what you can get paid by the way, those regulations that they are leaving in are responsible for 40%, 50% of the increase due to the obamacare. so they are leaving in the big increases that everybody is paying for, and it is disingenuous to say, well, they are going down a little bit but in a couple years they will start up again. suppose we talked to a roomful of people in north carolina last night, i asked them, do you like the paul ryan version art rand paul version. a couple of hands for each one. i said, do you really not understand what this is about and how it is going to affect you? pretty much every hand in the room went up. it's really heartbreaking. very difficult, i think, for people to wrap their arms around. number one, they want the costs to go down and want more choice, right? doug, can you promise them with this bill that exists, the paul ryan bill, for lack of a better term, that they will be able to have both of those things? their costs will go down? they will feel it, see the difference, and have more choice? >> i think that is absolutely right. some of the research done by a nonpartisan group shows immediate premium reductions from this. we have seen the ability of the states to take over a lot of the regulation, gives us a lot more flexibility and choice for individuals. and i have little doubt about that. i think there is a fantastic future. the issue in the kinds of things being posed is, they want to have it both ways, senate one way, they want the vote they want. in the end, the house and senate have to vote on the same bill. have to stretch from the freedom caucus to susan collins. >> i think you have to start with the assumption that you're going to have a bill and get there from there. we've got to go. thank you very much, good to see both of you tonight. also tonight, the death toll in the london terror attack rising at this hour. we are learning more now about the suspected killer and his very troubled past. i had come out we are going to take you to london live for the latest on that. plus, the confirmation hearings for judge neil gorsuch are over. but the real fight is about to begin as the democratic leadership in the senate makes a surprising decision to filibuster this highly popular nominee. karl rove and juan williams karl rove and juan williams stan various: (shouting) heigh! ho! 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martha: here now, karl rove, a fox news political contributor, juan williams, cohost of "the five." are we really in a place where someone like neil gorsuch, good democrats, i think everyone would have to admit, scrambling to sort of find something that they could pin on him. in most cases, he ran circles around them, that they cannot come to a vote on this individual, juan? >> i think the real issue here is merrick garland and the fact that republicans blocked president obama from advancing a nominee to the court for almost a year. there is a big, you know, problem, something is mysteriously missing in the roo room, you see even people who i would describe as moderates >> martha: let me ask you one thing. >> let me finish my point. >> martha: in washington, if you look at something and you think it is egregious, your response is to do the same thin thing? isn't that sort of eighth grade? >> not in the current washington where there is so much current political paralysis to the point of dysfunction. i think what you're asking is that democrats would lay down and say, you know what, we understand what republicans did over the course of the last year and denying merrick garland the opportunity to meet was wrong, but we are not going to say that two wrongs make a right. but in this current situation where you have donald trump in the white house, where it is all about wiretaps, collusion, all that, that that person should then immediately step in and be given the opportunity to nominate a supreme court justice, i think that is why you had even moderate democrats like even bob casey of pennsylvania saying they will filibuster. >> martha: i think the american people across the country look at that and they say, gee, if we ran our lives that way, we would be in pretty big trouble. if you have to overlook a person who is obviously qualified for the job, karl, and you're going to bring in every other dirty issue and pin it on this guy to make yourself feel better, that's not really where we want to be. >> let's put this in perspective. we have the vice president of the united states when he was in the united states senate, george biden, say that george w. bush should not be allowed to nominate a replacement to the supreme court in his last year in the presidency. we have a democrat minority leader, chuck schumer, say in july of 2007, a year and a half before the end of george w. bush's time in office, that he should not be allowed to propose that have accepted by this senate a nominee for the supreme court. so they set the rules. the rules were, for the last 80 years, no president has been able to nominate in the last year of their term in office. now we get to this very able individual, and we have seen three days of unserious questions by the democrats. i've been astonished. dianne feinstein, the ranking democrat, normally a reasonable person, said, and i'll quote her here, you have been very much able to avoid specificity like no one i have seen before. that is by repressed and press and press. i looked at what she asked in 1993 to ruth bader ginsburg, and they didn't ask specific questions. she said, don't even bother asking me specific questions. >> martha: that is how the game is played now. now, apparently, the game is played to the point where you have to have the right house and senate if you want to get someone through. it makes me think, juan, you don't need hearings anymore. >> quickly commit the key point here is commit the court has become so politicized, martha, everybody knows this is about republicans wanting somebody who will support their point of view and not democrats who will support another point of view. quickly, in response to karl, i seem to member that not anthony kennedy was nominated and confirmed in the last year. >> no, he was nominated a year and a half before president reagan left office, confirmed five days. >> obviously, and the final year. >> martha: thank you, juan, thank you commit karl. we are learning more details tonight about a very disturbing story. it is any alleged rape of a 14-year-old girl and rockville, maryland. the case is sparking a lot of debate about immigration, the loopholes that allowed these two young men to be here. we'll take you there for the very latest information that we have learned tonight in this case. thus, the death toll is rising after the terror attack near the british parliament, terror scare in belgium now has all of europe on high alert. we'll discuss next. >> we are not afraid and our results will never waver in the fa >> martha: we have no details emerging about the suspect and yesterday's deadly terror attack near the british parliament in london. the alleged terrorist killed four people including an american man from utah, kurt cochran. isis has now claimed responsibility as we learned that the suspect had a history with law enforcement. foreign affairs correspondent benjamin hall joins us. sitting on edge after the terror sweep last night. good evening to you. >> good evening, martha. less than 24 hours after this brutal attack on westminster bridge, where it first started, it was already opened again. a clear sign from the u.k. government that they would not be brought to their knees by terrorists. as you say, we are learning more about the attacker himself. his name was khalid masood. he was 52 years old, and he was born in britain, and had a spate of prior arrests, possession of weapons and assault. he had also, tellingly, been under investigation for extreme and extremism. today commit seven arrests carried out in london, more principally, birmingham. masood is believed to come from there. memories of yesterday's attacks are still strong. four people are now dead and six remained in critical condition. the victims came from 11 different countries, germany, china, south korea, ireland, greece, as you said, also among them, an american. kurt cochran was 54, he ran a recording studio business and he was visiting london to visit the 25th wedding anniversary. she remains in critical condition. condolences coming from around the world. this is seen not only as an attack on the u.k. parliament but also an attack on western values in general. martha? >> martha: been, another story this afternoon about a possible suspicious finding in antwerp. but can you tell us about that? >> a very similar kind of attack to the one we saw here, fortunately foiled. a tunisian man was driving his car at high speed into a shopping center, shopping street. he was stopped by the military, but they found in the trunk of his car weapons, military uniform, and a gas canister full of suspicious liquid. it does seem as though another terror attack was averted there, and it does seem as though isis are using vehicles more and more. it has become their favorite sort of weapon because it is so hard to find a defense against it. >> martha: benjamin hall, thank you very much. joining me know, lieutenant colonel tony shaffer, senior fellow at the london center for policy research, and a former islamic extremist and author of "radical, my journey out of islamist extremism." good to have you both here. let me start with you. when you listen to the details of this story, what strikes you the most about what we need to be concerned about here. >> unfortunately, as we just heard commit these sorts of attacks are going to be coming extremely common and difficult to predict and stop. what we do know is predictable pattern would exist in both of them, not just a random vehicle being used to attack people. we also know that these extremists will seek to pick out high propaganda targets, they seek to attack police officers, as has happened here. and we have to acknowledge the loss of life of everyone, also of a very brave police officer. finally, understand that because we can't predict them, the long-term solution is going to have to be building community resilience within muslim communities who have to start speaking out against this sort of poisonous, extremist rhetori rhetoric. >> martha: there was a woman who was on with tucker carlson last night, a british author, and she has been criticized because she has spoken out against multiculturalism. she said that this idea that london comes together as a city after something like this is not true, that there are such distinct sections of the city where people continue to live within their own culture, that the cultures are not lending. do you agree? >> it the way that multiculturalism was in fermented in the united kingdom and the '90s is largely responsible for the polarization and self segregation and immobility in britain and across europe. we muslims are disproportionately represented in prisons, underemployed, and we are suffering to progress and get ahead and advance due to some of those policies. as someone who identifies as a liberal, perfectly consistent to speak out against this. let me give you one example. lived in birmingham. one in ten attackers in birmingham, one in ten attackers from across the u.k., purchased five wards in the city of birmingham. if that's what multiculturalism has produced, i'm sorry, something has gone wrong in regard to address it. >> martha: what do you think? >> i agree, we've got to look at the root of this. you can take guns away, take explosives away, but this violent attitude will find whatever weapon is available. it is a cultural issue. that may be clear on this, we have faced here before. my first operations in europe, chasing a group called the red army group, the ref, which was a terror group funded by the russians as part of the effort against us. we need to look at how we defeated that sort of thing back during the cold war. we talked about, as part of brexit, asked nader to start working on this, then we have to work with people like the presis said, islam must give up violence as part of its faith. it is counterproductive. i think we have to work both at the tactical level to figure out what targets they are going to go after, how we could good counterterrorism, this can be done. but at the same time, you have to change the culture. putting things together like in birmingham -- by the way, i work with good muslims in birmingham, a group called the association of british muslims, formed in the late 19th century, works to try to counter this. we have folks we have to work with in the community to take the violence out of the message. >> martha: will leave it there, our thoughts and prayers with kurt cochran's family tonight, the american who was killed in that attack in that beautiful spot on westminster bridge were so many people wanted to visit, as he did come up with his wife. up next to my attentions running high in maryland tonight after new details from the alleged rape at brockville high school as this case continues to emerge. doug mckelway joins us with brand-new information, and katie pavlich and michelle here to ... ... ... >> martha: get to the latest from the hill moments ago, mick mulvaney, the man that president trump has loudly tasked with running point on repeal and replace just told house republicans a moment ago that the president is done with the negotiating and he wants a vote on this bill tomorrow. he has said basically, he is a master negotiator, he has been working this very hard, been extremely involved in this process, but he says he is done and devote will be tomorrow. we will keep you posted on new developments paid also tonight, new outrage over a case we have been bringing you all week, the alleged rape of a 14-year-old girl. they are growing demands for answers as to why these two suspects who reports suggest were both illegal immigrants were allowed not only to remain in the united states but to enroll as freshmen in a public high school. but even amid all of the controversy surrounding this, some lawmakers there have been pushing legislation to make maryland a sanctuary state. foxes doug mckelway joins us with the details tonight. hi, doug. >> tonight we are at the montgomery county detention center where earlier this afternoon, the defense attorney for one of the accused, 18-year-old henry sanchez, had his first ever face-to-face meeting with his client. in an exclusive television interview with us, the lawyer, rated as one of the top 100 maryland attorney speight super lawyer magazine, described that first ever meeting with the man who has become a focal point over the immigration battle in the united states. >> we talked about the case, the facts, his background, how he got here come up with his defenses are, and how he got here as a person. he is a humble, soft-spoken guy who fled a lot of gang violence in his country, talked about his trek through guatemala and mexico, talked about his detention with i.c.e., talked about how i see chose to let him go. >> jezic also told us he feels his client is innocent of all charges. they plan to fight the charges and he believes they will be acquitted. >> the physical evidence is not there. there are no scratches, no bruises, there is no injuries like that. also, this is a bathroom in the middle of the day where it doesn't appear that she was screaming or anybody heard anything going on. >> that is a confident pronouncement, met with a very swift rebuttal earlier today. >> there is physical evidence of a rape and assault, very clear that there was no consent in this whatsoever. >> when asked why sanchez is not being charged with statutory rate, as he is 18 and the victim in this case was 14 years old, maryland has a unique law that requires a minimum separation of age of four years, in this particular case, it was just under that, three years and some months, meaning it doesn't means make meets new make maryland statutory requirements. >> martha: katie pavlich and michele jawando, legal progress vp, good to have both of you here tonight. michelle, let me start with you. what do you say to those who say, regardless of the legal outcome in this case, these two young men do not belong in this school? they are too old to be freshmen in the public high school and they are illegal in this country. >> i will say this, as a montgomery county resident, as someone who is living in this community every day and raising young girls, i first have to say that the allegations of what happened are heinous. we'll start there. but i will tell you, the u.s. constitution prohibits the ability of anyone who would like to attend a public school, prohibited in a 1982 decision, from inquiring about your status, your immigration status, and allows everyone access to public education. that is what our constitution says. so it is a horrible, horrible circumstance, let me start with that, but it is important to recognize what the constitution says on this issue. >> martha: it katie? >> the supreme court doesn't say it, a supreme court precedent does. but this idea that marilyn saying they want to be a sanctuary state four days later after this horrific incident after two young men, not children like the fortino victim is, from very violent countries like guatemala and el salvador, where they have a very serious ms-13 gang problem, been put in our system using public school resources and enrolled as freshmen in order to learn english as adults is absurd, ridiculous, and a public risk, as we have seen. they should have never been in the country. the local authorities, who refused to participate with i.c.e. to make sure the retainer was held on them, i.c.e. letting them go in the first place under obama's catch and release program, all of that has to change. if you look at the comments that were made by the parents who attended the superintendent meeting on tuesday night, a number of them saying, look, we're happy to take our kids out of the schools because we feel like they are unsafe. the idea that we have illegal alien young men using our public school system from very violent countries where they have 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these guys are fumbling in childish ways. let's give you an example. democrats boycotting confirmation hearing from president trump's treasury and health and human secretaries. senate rules if there's not a single member there, there can be no hearing. there can be no confirmation. so steve mnuchin and tom price, hurry up and wait. the same day that we learned that democrats are already planning to oppose the president's supreme court pick, he's going to announce in a little less than four hours. they don't even know who that person will be. what his or her positions will be. just opposed to him. right out of the gate they are slamming the gate. does this sound familiar? it is payback for the way republicans handle merit garland. he was the chase to replace antonin scalia. republicans refused to even offer him a hearing. they said then, senator george biden did it to bush, so they were going to do it to barack obama. i thought it was stupid them and i said so. you don't like this nominee? vote him down. >> it's not that simple. joe biden made it clear when he talked 1 1/2 years ago before the election that they shouldn't be putting people up during an election. >> neil: why? >> it's a toxic environment. it's demeans the court -- >> neil: it's all the politici e politicized. if they don't like him, don't vote for him. >> people say that something new is occurring. >> neil: i'm not. i see the dot on bought party's part. but maybe this is an opportunity for republicans saying we know what the democrats do. in the past we've done it. we're just going to stop this nonsense. you can send a powerful signal by saying, you know what? we're going to hold the hearings. we don't like him. we'll vote him done. we're not going to play these games. wouldn't it be a great opportunity to say let the process go forward? we don't like garland, we don't approve garland. end of story. >> i don't blame the president for trying to demagogue this thing. >> neil: he's not demagoguing. he's fulfilling his duty. >> it sounds good. >> neil: you're trying to fill you're constitutional duty. you feel he might get the upper hand and submit a name and you're sitting on your hands? >> i'm tired of the court being politicized. this is politicizing the court. >> neil: no offense, senator, you played a part in politicizing it. maybe that wasn't your goal. both parties do this. but both sides of the aisle say i've had enough of this nonsense. >> neil: but the nonsense continues. even know. i don't have time for the games then or now. i don't think you should. like i don't have time for the republican congresswoman freezing congress in the middle of a political crisis. >> they gave the private donors -- >> neil: congress woman, state senate issues. >> no, it isn't. >> neil: where was your raise -- >> listen, let me have one minute here. >> neil: no, no, no. you're inflating issues and being silly. where was your rage when democrats were going after president bush on the same use of executive orders? you knew then that was a waste of time. and i think know you know in your heart of hearts this is a waste of time now. there's more important things to be addressing than filing lawsuits past each other. >> neil: i get the same thing. you hate republicans, you hate democrats. either congress, either president, how many times have i said i don't care which party. stupidity is stupid at this time. waste is waste. spending valuable time on money that don't matter to them matters to us, all of us, republican or democrat. not red or blue but green. our green. i said that a few times, right? it's our money. these guys not giving a lick about either. you didn't cave on anything, congresswoman. everything you said is taxes, taxes. not a word about anything -- >> you haven't heard anything i'm saying because you have never stopped talking to listen. you have -- >> neil: tell me what you got. congressman, i'm not going to play the political nonsense game with you. yes or no -- >> when you're the president of the united states -- >> neil: you're responsible for everything. for everything. >> the buck stops here. when you're the boss -- >> neil: the buck stops -- wait. the buck stops but it has a funny way of passing through. what is the level that it's so obscene -- >> the level is, the bottom line, neil is, that we cannot drill our way -- >> neil: i'm not saying that. is there a level that you say you make too much money. nobody knows. they can't account for it. when i mentioned -- >> fox news doesn't know where it went. >> neil: no, no. don't be insulting. those are all democrats. before that, all republicans and they have all done it. the last case, that was months before i had heart surgery. i'm just saying, we have big problems. playing spiteful games doesn't move the ball. we call our kids out on it. you should call them out on it. you don't like the president's picks, vote them down. you're being petty now because the other side was petty then. would it kill you to say we're going to be adults now, all of you and you're going to get the nation's business done now no matter what you think of the president or the election. say you're sick of poll ratings, even tv anchors. neither of you democrats or republicans will get everything you want. doesn't work that way. if you work with each of you stands to get more than what you've been getting. if you find virtue in being stubborn, take your marbles and brag to someone that cares. i don't. i'm betting most of our kids don't. it's because of crap like this, a tit for tat that makes a mock early of our values. parentsly you guys in washington are okay with that. maybe you tell them now, three words, "we are not." this is more than wall street. it's a reflection of a worried main stre main street. who knows that getter than gerri willis? >> there's a lot of talk about when is tax reform going to happen. you promised that. when are you going to repeal and replace obamacare? none of this is happening and we're stuck in stall mode while people do stupid stuff like calling each other out and failing to show up for votes. if these folks acted like this on any playground in america, they would be thrown off. if your kids did this, neil, they would be grounded for a month. here's what's going on in the markets. the markets are down three days in a row. the dow is down three days. we're still up on the three major indexes since inauguration. there's been a real trump rally. let me tell you, any kind of progress against the major issues and problems the country is facing, it's all up in the airs because of the way people are acting. i just want to share something with you. this is from a democrat from oregon, jeff merkley that says he would filibuster the nomination of any supreme court nomination from trump. this is the seat mitch mcconnell stole, he says. i will not be complicit. where are have we gone here? i can't imagine, this reminds me of two elderly people that have been married a long, long time and can't hear each other talk. >> neil: what? what? you know,gerri, the thing that is wild about this, each has had plenty of ammunition to do what they're doing. democrats remembering how the last supreme court thing was handled. we're going to come back at you know. doesn't someone have to have the statue to say i'm going to be better than that? i'm going to no matter if i like this election or not, rise to the level of the moment and this is the moment and they're not doing it? >> no. goodness sakes, they're doing the opposite. they're acting like children. the american people are up to here with this. we just about had it. it's time to move on. time for people to actually take our problems seriously and try to solve them. we've been at this a long time, trying to figure out what to do with health care and taxes. we need tax reform. none of the solutions are coming. it's not just democrats that are in the way. republicans in the way, too. they don't want to get anything done. i hear that in congress, republicans are kind of shy to present legislation because they're worried that donald trump won't like it. these not leadership. >> neil: you're right. one of the things that we find fe fascinating engaging the markets, there's a connection between what rattles main street and what rattles wall street and vice versa. i think of late -- i don't want to make a big deal nor do we on fox business or one day swings, two day swings. the market is up since donald trump was elected. but it was built on optimism that things would get done, whether you want lower regulations or taxes, whatever is your cup of tea. that's the tea that wall street wanted or folks wanted or they wouldn't have voted the way they did. now it's seem to be getting second guessed or delayed. they don't like that. >> it's boiled down to one word. opportunity. there would be opportunity. you would be able to pursue your goals in a way unhindered by regulations, taxes would be lower. across the board, people supported that i think. there was widespread popular support behind these ideas. obviously. trump got elected. the markets like that. but when it comes to getting it done, where are the leaders? i'm with you. i'm confounded. >> neil: i do not see them. gerri, thank you. i do know where one of the good guys is. karl rove, a good student of political history, advisor to president bush. karl, my big fear is, we've gone full throttle silly season. when you have some declining to sit in on a hearing so a confirmation can't continue, stop the process mid stream, we have problems. >> look, we're talking about the committees of the senate finance committee and the senate judiciary committee. there's some sensible, reasonable democrats on those committees. but for all of them to walk out for the purpose of denying a vote up or down on jeff sessions or deny ago vote up or down on steve mnuchin is draw-droppingly astonishing. i understand why they're doing it politically. their goal is -- they think they can get away with opposing the nominees now and they won't pay a price back home. i think their bigger goal is, slow things up in congress so that they chew up more time on things like nominations and less time on actually legislating. >> neil: i suspect your right. a lot say it's pay back for the way that merit garland was handled by barack obama, the supreme court battle. it's more than that. it's now that i'm here, i'm going to do what you did to us. it's a zero sum game. >> but you know what? the republicans didn't do this to barack obama's cabinet. ten were approved in the first few days. it's 12 days, they had nearly 13 members of the president's cabinet approved. look, the republicans didn't engage in these kind of games. shame on the senate finance and senate democrats for doing what they did and not even showing up. that allowed them to slow it up and slow it up some more. i think it's unseemly. i do have a disagreement with you about the supreme court. 80 years of tradition ought to have been respected. back to f.d.r., no president had ever been able to nominate and get confirmed in the final year of the presidency a nominee for the supreme court. that was in part an effort, a belief that at the end of a second term, a new president -- >> neil: that wasn't what they were saying back then. i think it's silly on both parts. you and i can respectfully disagree on this? >> i don't i don't know. >> neil: so i got you angry. >> exactly. >> neil: thanks, karl. think about that. all i'm saying is we can arrive this. it's not the left or the right. it's both. more again. bp engineers use underwater robots, so they can keep watch over operations below the sea, even from thousands of feet above. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better. >> neil: i want to show you this newspaper cover, "the daily news" from saturday. it was in response to president trump's so-called travel ban. it's not a ban. can it be from a 60 to 90-day delay. having said that, you can see that lady liberty is crying presumably because we've given up on being a nation of immigrants. she's crying because she's on the front page of a paper and losing our status of a nation of immigrants when in fact we're not. we're just trying to better police who gets in here and from where. it was all acceptable from the prior administration and not acceptable now. people have tried left and right to explain the difference to me. all i know is that what is good for one is not good for the other. rich laurie goes further. he said this whole un-american notion attached to what the president is doing, however slotfully executed is not the case. rich, what do you think of the way this has been treated? >> the reaction has been hysterical. the day before yesterday, the worst thing you could say -- it was forbidden on the left -- was that anything or anyone was up american. we have chuck schumer saying this order is un-american. it's a relatively small change and temporary change in the scheme of things when you look at the entire american immigration system. we let in about a million legal immigrants annually. a million a year. we're talking about several hundred people so far affected by this order. so the reaction is completely over the top. >> neil: people are saying, no, you're targeting muslims. well, wait a minute. let's say our goal. certainly it would have included more countries. 46 that have muslim majority. certainly bigger countries. saudi arabia, united arab emirates. >> yeah, a couple of them have no governments to speak up. if you're going to tighten up these are procedures, these are the countries where you want to start. neil, there's legitimate criticism. maybe you don't want to include iraq in there. >> neil: you can do curve out for the interpreters and those that help. >> sure. but several months delay when we look and figure out how to better handle these sort of issues. the refugee cap is 50,000. you look over the last 15 years. the cap -- the number of refugees annually has bounced between 50 and 100,000 on average. several years, it's been below 50,000. 50,000 in itself is not un-american number. >> neil: all i know we pick and choose our history, right, rich? i can remember jimmy carter dealing with the cuban boat people and bill clinton comes to mind and not happy about it. we go through history. f.d.r. dealing with the japanese americans, detaining them. we seem to make a big deal of it this day and age but we forget about other days and ages. >> yeah. everybody says we're a nation of immigrants. immigration has been highly contested in our country. the level of overall immigration has bounced up and down. it's high in the 1850s, lower in the civil war. higher in the world war, but in 1924 we pass add restrictive law. for four decades, you had low levels of illegal immigration. since 1965 we've been at a high level and a plateau but that doesn't mean you can't reduce it without melting down the statue of libbertliberty. we can cut it in half tomorrow and still be america. >> neil: amazing. we don't hear that. it's a great cull -- column. it's in the "new york post" and more. >> thank you. >> neil: so what is hapless about? we'll have more after this. tiki barber running hambone!a barber shop?t hut! yes!!! surprising. yes!!! what's not surprising? how much money david saved by switching to geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. who's next? >> neil: all right. today president trump has signed 19 executive orders or memoranda. breaks down like this. seven executive orders out right, one white house memo. don't ask. i have no idea. and then we have ten executive memos. bottom line, it's a taste we have not seen. technically barack obama had more executive order per se at this stage but collectively, donald trump has more executive actions. if you ask me to explain that, i have no way to do that. i know this guy would. he's a former new hampshire governor, served as chief of staff to president bush senior. governor, glad to have you. >> you had quite an archive of cranky neil. >> neil: yeah, when that happens, it's a long day. one thing i did discover, the silliness. you saw it, trying to get legislation through as a governor. you've seen it in washington. but we can't get past the gate. i thought everything hit the fan today when i hear senators, democratic senators that weren't going to sit in on hearings so that technically the hearings, the confirmation hearings couldn't continue. i heard others, sight unseen, whoever donald trump chooses, they hate the guy or woman. presuming it's a guy. i'm thinking, man, why bother, right? >> well, look. things are going to get done whether the democrats like it or not. mitch mcconnell will get stuff through there. chuck schumer's delaying tactics will irritate the public and the democrats will lose for the foolishness. it's going to be tough and chaotic for a while and things will happen. ryan and mcconnell are committed to get the healthcare package through, to get the tax package through. it's been seven working days since the inauguration. they're making pretty good progress compared to historic levels of movement. i'm really confident a lot will get done in the next 120, 180 days. >> neil: i know you properly keep -- don't focus on the stock market but i'm a nerd. that's where i live. when i see these guys getting excited about regulatory reform, more robust growth, new jobs coming out or know low-paying jobs, significant jobs, reading them in the last few days, i'm seeing they're beginning to get unravelled. they had no where to go after the run-up to the election. are they getting bummed out too early? >> they're not getting bummed out. it retreats. it goes up. you know how the market is. for us to predict a long run is irresponsible. i think what they're liking though is this effort to undo regulation. if you had spoken to people over the last couple years, which was more important? tax cuts or getting regulation off their back? it was almost unanimous. get regulation off of our back. that's part of the executive orders the president is putting forth. the house is acting under the cra legislation, which allows the house to undo major pieces of regulation that had been put into place previously. so they're making the effort to take the load off of the private sector. the private sector ought to be happy about the direction this stuff is taking. >> neil: i hope you're right about that. some are worried. but that changes on a day-to-day basis. let's step back and get a sense of how you can see the two sides working on anything bipartisan. it was a problem in the obama years. it was a problem in the bush senior years, his son's years. i'm beginning to wonder if anyone can bridge that divide or that gap, especially an election like this one. is this the way it's going to be? >> let me go back to bush sr., the white house was in. the becomes had full control of the house and senate. that president passed more significant legislation than any president except lyndon johnson and franklin roosevelt. it can be done with presidential leadership. i hope this president, president trump, begins to bring the democrats down, begins to talk to them about where they can find agreement on issues. certainly he has been bringing republicans down and talking to them. he has had bipartisan leadership meetings already. nothing happens in washington without presidential leadership. i'm hoping this president is willing to put the time and effort in to give guidance to the 435 cats in the house and the 100 cats in the senate and help herd that group of cats to move legislation forward. i'm feeling good about where this is going to go. >> neil: all right. we'll see. a lot of cats there. you know? >> too many sometimes. but with leadership they can make it work. >> neil: john, thank you. the forker governor, chief of staff to george bush sr. you probably heard today that brand new as a job, the homeland security secretary john kelly was meeting with lawmakers to discuss the president's travel order. did you notice i said "travel order?" what it was not called. a travel ban. after this. >> neil: you're looking live in washington. john kelly will be meeting with republican and democratic leaders on the new travel improvement. but then i realized there was. so, i finally broke the silence with my doctor about what i was experiencing. he said humira is for people like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. if you're still just managing your symptoms, talk with your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. >> neil: we're moments away from hering on john kelly, explaining the new trump travel policy, those coming in from seven countries, being deemed dangerous places. the secretary said this was not targeted by the basis of religion. if that were the case, 46 countries would have been targeted. they were not. secretary kelly seemed to acknowledge that the whole thing was clumsily implemented and not shared with a number of airports. one of the critics joins me now, california democratic congressman. good to have you. >> thank you. >> neil: the trump folks are saying this is markedly different than efforts we've made in the past to weed out or slow down those visiting this country from other hot spots, the same hot spots identified by barack obama. what do you say to that? >> maybe that's the issue, neil. think back at the last few years, under obama, three to four million people were deported. more people than all the other past presidents combined, including a million american citizens deported. president trump comes in with many promises. and now the executive orders implemented without talking to democrats and his own administration. so what you have? chaos and fear. nobody knows what's going on. a lot of these people at the airports, people that have passed clearances, had their visas checked. many close to becoming american citizens. so we have chaos out there. that's why i think what we need to do is turn to the courts. give these folks a lawyer so if they have rights, due process rights, they're taken care of. we're still a democracy. >> neil: would you still have the same anger about president obama's executive order? >> i was very angry with president obama's immigration policy. correct. >> neil: and you want to court to protest? >> i didn't see any of this stuff going on, but i publicly opposed president obama on his immigration policy. >> neil: so his use of executive orders, we had a lot under president obama. we have a lottery on under president trump. presidents are free to issue them. so where do you see this going, particularly when it comes to this policy? we have to weed out, slow down the trump administration as they're trying to do here, bad with democrats, republicans, to work with whoever wants to work with me. let's start working across the aisle. >> neil: i admire that, congressman. but where -- >> let's share information. >> neil: you're a freshman. just in here. so when you're looking at this world, it's very much rigidly here's what the democrats are do, here's what the republicans will do. you think there's something to what president trump wants to do, to look at scary areas of the world and maybe more closely scrutinize who is coming from over there? >> i think we've been doing that all along. i think the president wants to give it a second look. >> neil: he has been doing a great job. >> talk to folks of the administration. don't surprise me. don't sign an order in the middle of the night, not even his folks know what's going on. that's not the way to run a country. >> neil: you're new to this and -- i know you're new to this. it might startle you. barack obama signed a lot of executive orders. you think it's the whole executive order thing? it's just a bad idea? presidents should slow down, if not stop it? >> look, the president has a right to sign executive orders. all i'm saying is let's talk and confer with folks to make the whole process better. work with our friends, work with the republicans and the democrats. it's not only democrats that have concerns. people in the administration as well. >> neil: no, no. you're right. let me ask you -- >> general kelly -- >> neil: he did a great job today. you mentioned that. we have to find a way to avoid mass deportations. by the same token, to protect ourselves. do you think since it turned out these seven countries are targeted account for a fraction of the people that have done us harm, that we have to pursue better folks that are already here and start scrutinizing makeup more closely where they are, who they're reaching out to. you think we should be doing more of that? a lot of democrats when i raise that, they say no, no, no. >> we should be scrutinizing everybody. we have a lot of home grown terrorism. remember, saudi arabia was a source of the 911 terrorists. but the way we start is working with people, intelligence in israel and other middle east countries. that's the way we have to figure out this whole dynamic in terms of protecting our citizens. work with people, work with our friends. make sure we get to the source before bad things happen. >> neil: yeah. because they will happen if we keep doing what we're doing. >> absolutely. >> neil: thanks very much. very good having you. >> thank you. >> neil: all right. the other side of this, former louisiana governor, bobby jindal. what he says we have to do to get our priorities straight right now. 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she was a carry-over from the obama administration. she went to extra mile to not only say she was opposed to a measure but warning all agencies not to follow it. that is a big deal, right? >> absolutely. neil, first of all. happy new year's. great to be back on your show. we're still in january. tomorrow we have to stop says that. i think he was exactly right to let her go. she was a caretaker. she's being held up by the left as a principle martyr. this is a political statement. i'm not an attorney. but you listen to the legal experts and they say the standard should have been, if she said there's no way to defend this, this is no way this legally permissible. that's one thing. she said she didn't support it and looked at it in the context of statements he made outside of the order. that's a political judgment. the senate has to go to work, confirm trump's appointees including senator sessions. he should have his own senior staff there so you don't have this situation. president obama had ten of his cabinet appointees confirmed in the month of january, his first term. donald trump has had three. the democrats need to get to work. let's get these temporary folks out the job and get his advisors in place. >> neil: even saying that, john kelly said that, yeah, it probably could have been executed better that is the directive from the president. maybe it could have. but people have contemplated that that the order was wrong or illegal or constitutional. i know you side you're not a lawyer but you've dealt with them when they crop up as a governor. how far can you go? >> clearly could it have been rolled out better? clearly. this is their second week in the job. they don't have all their people in place. clearly this is within the president's rights and responsibilities. his first job is to keep us safe. we're seeing an example of what i call fake news. we've heard a lot of allegations of fake news, a lot of misreporting, misunderstanding probably intentional of what this order did and didn't do. i like when you clarified. it's not a ban. it's vetting. the reality is this. i've seen the chance from the protesters out there. you heard them. hey, ho, the muslim ban has to go. it's great. it rhymes. sounds like the 60s. you talked about nixon. the reality is, there's no muslim ban. another chant, no hate, no fear, refugees are welcome here. another great chant. rhymes. conservatives we're not as good rhyming -- >> neil: you mentioned a key point that we forget. the president was damned if he didn't, damned if he did. he's called a muslim target. we're as quick to say, you should have included saudi arabia or the uae or more countries, presumably the ones that are majority muslim populations. none where you go with that one. >> this is why people -- the folks out there that are misunderstanding, focus on the facts. if they're against vetting that is fine. if rationale, here's seven countries that we don't have reliable information from these countries. a significant amount of radical islamic terrorism in those countries. if we're not competent. if we don't know who they are, we don't know what kind of groups they support, it made sense to take a temporary pause and vet them. all the liberals and democrats across the country that oppose this, they should be honest with the american people and say why they're against vetting. why it doesn't make sense. to slow down and see who is coming into our country. we have a right -- i argue the president has a responsibility to protect us. nobody has -- is entitled to come into our country. we have a right to define our borders. my parents are immigrants here. this is a welcome, loving country. doesn't mean we need to let in people that want to undermine our way of life and attack us. yes, we should let people that want to follow the law. but this is a temporary pause to vet these folks. it's -- >> neil: it's a pause. it's not a ban. words to your point matter. thanks, governor. happy new year. last day. >> thank you, neil. you can't rhyme vetting either. >> neil: last day, away. okay. i give up. but at t. rowe price, we can help guide your retirement savings. so wherever your retirement journey takes you, we can help you reach your goals. call us or your advisor t. rowe price. invest with confidence. >> neil: all right. we're only three hours away a little more than that from president trump announcing the ninthth seat on the supreme court. it's been vacant since the death of antonin scalia. a couple names popping up but it will be controversial. carrie, very good to have you here with us. >> great to be here, neil. >> neil: these things are never easy to get through. it's pretty clear to me since i've heard so many democrats say they will oppose whoever it is without knowing whoever it is, it won't go easy. how do you think? >> no, absolutely. there's a lot of people that haven't gotten over the fact that we had an election in november, the people had a voice in who will replace the justice and that isn't trump. he has an excellent list that we have looked at for the last year of judges he will choose from. all of whom will be wonderful and carrying on the legacy of justice scalia. the democrats don't want to see that. they don't want someone that will be that faithful to the constitution, the law. they're vowing to keep the seat open four to eight more years. at the end of the day, there's a lot of democrats that can't swallow that line that chuck schumer is trying to draw in the sand. >> neil: you've known this better than i do. the names like neil gorsuch and thomas hardiman, they're both young men. the thinking being you want a generational pick for someone that will be there a long time and have decades to serve and keep that view going. doesn't always work out that way. david souter comes to mind. he wasn't as conservative that president bush had hoped. how does it come that they look for someone so young? >> this is something that will impact the country for a generation. we have justices in their 80s now. so these men could be on the court for 30 years. what you want to do is find someone that already has a very clear track record. both of those nominees and everyone else on this list has that record that they spent time on the federal bench. you know how they approach cases, that they do understand how to be faithful to the law, how to not let their own political views of the case get in the way of what the law says or the constitution says. and more importantly, do you have a soutor or someone that dodges the case when they get tough. you want someone that shows courage. so i'm excited to see who it will be. someone that will be willing to step up and make the tough calls and make them in favor of the constitution. >> neil: and originally scalia was someone that used the constitution in the most lith raleigh sense and doesn't interpret it. >> you have to read the words in context. you don't bring your own context in. you don't read them pretending they were written in the 21st century. you look at what was adopted by the people. he saw that as so protective of the american people. either their representatives are passing the law or a constitutional amendment or the people had a voice in, not the judges. >> neil: we'll know in three hours. >> very soon. stock prices, earnings, and dividends... an equity summary score that consolidates the stock ratings of top analysts into a single score... and $7.95 online u.s. equity trades, lower than td ameritrade, schwab, and e-trade, you realize the smartest investing idea isn't just what you invest in, but who you invest with. ♪ >> neil: apple stock is up. it sold 78.3 million iphones. that was more than what was expected. the stock is up. that includes apple pay, apple music. this is the year apple is going to have a new iphone, iphone 8,s of the gadget that change life as we know it. >> i am greg gutfeld with kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams. president trump's supreme court announcement is hours away. first it's time for a little extreme vetting. let's start with the incompetent babies. >> thank you for coming out. is it working? 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he is working to get a artful deal put together in hopes that perhaps they can take another crack at this as soon as tomorrow. good evening, everybody. i'm martha maccallum. that is where we are. quite of excitement on day 63 of the first 100. we got our cameras on the hill. we will head there. first, our other huge story tonight, brenda fox news reporting on allegations that the obama administration may have effectively used the fbi and nsa to get inside information on the incoming trup team phd day, devin nunes said that he was not sorry that he revealed to the president new information that u.s. intel agencies may have surveilled communications involving members of the trump transition team, and then the intel agencies and perhaps the white house and the doj altered the rules to permit spreading that sensitive information so it could essentially be gawked at by a wider circle of insiders. is that okay? here is chairman nunes in an interview that will air later tonight on "hannity." >> i will say that the dissemination was pretty far and wide, and like i said before, it appears to me that it was all legal. the question is, should it have been done in the first place? did it meet for an intelligence value. and secondly, or any other american names unmasked, and i have information that says that there were. >> martha: information that more names were unmasked. training me now, dr. charles krauthammer, fox news contributor. thank you for being here. we're sort of on date two of this particular chapter of this story, and devin nunes says basically that he is not sorry that he went ahead and share this information with the president. what do you think? >> i think he did make a mistake in the sequence of these revelations going to the press, than the white house, then to his committee. in fact come up we hear from reports that in meeting with his committee today, he did actually offer an apology for not having told the committee first, which is what you would expect. the mainstream media have been harping on that as if that is the main story here. it's not. it's a sideshow of a sideshow of a sideshow. something he shouldn't have done. but the fact is that he saw something that disturbed him and that he thought ought to be revealed. the problem we had is that we don't know enough of the facts. we do know there is a charge against the trump administration that there was collusion with the russian campaign. there is an investigation of that. we also know it was trump's own charge of being wiretapped. for which there was no evidence, wiretapping of trump tower. now there is this third story. which is nunes' charge that there was improper use of the information picked up legally and incidentally in the surveillance of foreign folks. which, of course, is allowed, which we do, but normally you are supposed to mask the names. his charge, and we would have known if there was one improper use of that in the surveilling and leaking up the name of general flynn. now, whether or not he acted properly or not is not the issue. but there seems to have been an abuse of the system here. the nunes charge, as you have shown in that clip, is that it was widespread and systematic. that is what he said. we need to see the evidence. but one it goes back to "the new york times" story, and in that story, it was revealed that they went to great lengths to open up the channels and make it easier for more people in a wider circle to see the transcripts of conversations or the emails that the nsa has gotten their hands on. in that story, charles, the overwhelming feeling is that there were do-gooders, that is how they saw themselves, we have to make sure the country knows what the administration was up to. if we didn't leave these tea leaves and open these doors, it was all going to go away, and they would never know. that is a pretty big assumption to say, we are going to change these rules because we have decided that this is what is best for the american people. >> and there is a second problematic aspect which is the way the information was achieved in the first place. you are supposed to, when you are listening in on the foreign people, let's say ambassadors from other countries, and according to nunes, this is not russia. these are non-russian people. that's perfectly legitimate. when you pick up incidental americans, you are supposed to protect their identities. the question is, where they are abusing statute by using the foreign is driving as an excuse, an avenue to get in, and that the real purpose was to listen in on americans. that's the larger charge. that would be a pretty big violation of what you're supposed to do. the lesser charge is, they overshot on flynn or perhaps they improperly unmasked the name of somebody else. but the question is, was there an intent to abuse the listening in on the foreigners as a way to get inside and improperly is the name on americans. and as you know, that's the one thing these agents are not supposed to do. in the absence of a court order, you don't go listening in on american citizens. >> martha: they are supposed to be apolitical. the report, the intelligence. that's the job. it is not to become a spy or to trade information to an outgoing administration about an outgoing one. charles, thank you so much. joining me now is a former intel committee chair peter hoekstra who says that the bottom line here is that of chairman nunes is accurate and there were raw intelligence reports in the white house of intercepted american phone calls, that is unprecedented. democratic analyst also joining us and fox news contributor. pete, given what we know today, do you think that is what happened, and what is the motivation? why do they want to call, the word be used, at this information? the names peeled off, have a look at what was going on in this? >> i want to make a couple of points, martha. i want to correct charles a little bit. not only when given foreign intelligence is collected on americans, not only do the names have to be masked, but before that information is ever shared throughout the community or the white house or wherever, there has to be a compelling reason for national security, for why this information has to leave. if you collect on americans, foreign intelligence agencies, that information should be deep-sixed and thus there is a compelling reason. if there is a compelling reason, you can share it, but it has to be masked. what it appears happened here, these transcripts were shared and went all the way to the white house, raw intelligence. in my ten years on the committee, i never saw raw intelligence. i only saw intelligence analysis. that is a huge breach of confidence. why? who knows. it's interesting. >> martha: and the person who has her job now says that when he saw this brief flow of information, he said he only saw about a dozen but there's a lot more, that it alarmed him. he found it alarming that our intel agencies would be allowing this information and free flow. actually, what do you think? democrats in the past, including al franken, have complained about this 702 rule, that it can easily be misused and abused. >> there are two issues, we have late-breaking news this afternoon and early this evening that chairman nunes conceded that it may not even be that there were any trump transition members on these interceptions, that is may have even been as little as foreigners discussing the trump transition. >> martha: just to clarify, he's not sure -- what it seems to say, could have been phone calls, could have been emails. not sure how many people were grouped into those was the entrance but with god a long way to go on those. >> that detail is important. that means there were not trump transition people, maybe foreigners discussing the transition, which is a huge difference. this point was made really well in the washington journal today, this has gotten so toxic on both sides that there is really no faith on either side that when or if the truth comes out it will, in fact cannot be the truth. and i think it is time for jim comey or whoever is, in fact, in charge of this operation -- coats but one that is a great question in and of itself. >> we need to fish or cut bait, unfair to trump administration to have this hanging over their head since july, apparently, but also unfair to the american people to have speculation on both sides without any clarifying answers. i think it is time that they come out with whatever they have. i understand there is an investigation going on. that is just not fair to the american people or, frankly, to him. >> martha: we need resolution. thank you so much, both of you. we'll continue to talk about this as it moves forward. breaking tonight, house republicans will be up late tonight, as in all night, perhaps, as they scrambled to secure the votes needed to pass the health care bill. they may give it another go tomorrow, and we should find that out over the course of this evening. going to be joined by congressman adam consider. talk about how he's trying to convince his fellow members that this whole thing is a good idea, plus terrific news on the horrific rape case out of rockville, maryland, where there is no information. both illegals involved, so say the attorneys, our innocence. the latest when we come back. >> now come up with this policy, we say when our law enforcement arrests somebody, their hands will be tied as far as working with i.c.e. and federal authorities even if these are terrorists, gang members, this bill has no exceptions. 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>> well, everybody is interested, right? we are all waiting. we don't know exactly where the boat cart vote count is. we want to move forward and follow through on the promises we made to the american people, and we've got a conference that is happening here very soon. we're going to probably talk about this. ultimately, we have to be able to get to yes. that's the difference between being in charge now versus being in the opposition party. voting though is easy. but governing and getting to yes is difficult, and we are all going to have to make that decision on our own. i hope we can get there. >> martha: the president was meeting with members of the tuesday group, it seems to me that they are trying to -- they sort of went a little bit toward the conservatives on this and made some of them happy but some of the moderates sort of fell off the front end of the raft and the water, right? >> again, the art of this is very difficult, as he made concessions to one group, another may be doesn't like it. the obamacare, democrats had the cornhusker kickback, the louisiana purchase, they loaded it up with earmarks. we don't do earmarks come i don't have that option. it has to be on people's goodwill that this moves forward. i hope some of my friends and colleagues in the freedom caucus can get to yes. that's where we need to be. again, you'll never see a perfect bill, a danger of letting good become perfect, we need to move forward. >> martha: are we going to see a vote on this tomorrow? >> i hope so. i think there'll be more direction tonight. we have immediate staked out about it, i hope we can get it done tomorrow. move on to our next promises. >> martha: good to see her tonight. joining me now commend david mcintosh, president of the club for growth a , firmly agait this, -- conservative enough and repeals the heart of obamacare. good to have you both here. david, let me start with you, if i were to bring or if the president were to bring, which might work better, rand paul into the room and paul ryan into the room and say, we are going to have a bill at the end of this conversation, what would it look like, and what would your side be willing to concede? >> yeah, i think the conservatives would say, at this point, if you simply make sure you put some provisions in there that will really reduce the cost of insurance, that's the core of the promise they have made in four elections to get rid of obamacare. and paul ryan keeps saying, i don't want to do that. he kind of says the senate can't, but the house can, and he is in charge of the house. the way you do that, you reveal the obamacare regulations, then you require insurance companies to compete nationwide, one of president trump's key promises lester in the campaign. i think they are getting close if they can just get to the point where they can keep those last two promises, i think you'll see it. >> martha: doug, what do you think about that? >> i think there are two problems. cbo has already scored the bill as reducing premiums, down 10% at the end of the decade, and -- >> but they are doubled. small amounts. that's hardly anything. >> that is an artifact of the fact that the cbo is using all data, it doesn't have anywhere in this analysis, sought in the third year, if you compared to 2017 numbers, the numbers are down. this is a nonissue. the other thing is, everything david said requires 60 votes in the senate, you're not going to get 60 votes in the senate. a nice fantasy, but not the vote they have to take, and the boat they have to take is one way this bill, which repeals the taxes, the greatest entitlement reform this country has ever seen, relies on and individual freedom, it does all of those things and is a great step toward a better place. it serves the american people who are trapped in these obamacare system and an underperforming medicare system. >> martha: seems like there is a lot of competition between the house and the senate. already saying, forget it. you guys do it you want. if you want to bring it over, we're going to basically start from scratch. you would like to see the repeal passed in the house and then begin the replaced part in the senate? is that right? >> i think if they totally repeal it and replace it with what they have in the house, conservatives would like that. i don't think they have to do a two-part bill. the house isn't constrained by the same rules. the parliamentarian actually telling some senders -- i saw a tweet from one of them -- no, i haven't made a ruling yet on whether we can get rid of those regulations. pass it in the house and take it to the senate and see what you can get paid by the way, those regulations that they are leaving in are responsible for 40%, 50% of the increase due to the obamacare. so they are leaving in the big increases that everybody is paying for, and it is disingenuous to say, well, they are going down a little bit but in a couple years they will start up again. suppose we talked to a roomful of people in north carolina last night, i asked them, do you like the paul ryan version art rand paul version. a couple of hands for each one. i said, do you really not understand what this is about and how it is going to affect you? pretty much every hand in the room went up. it's really heartbreaking. very difficult, i think, for people to wrap their arms around. number one, they want the costs to go down and want more choice, right? doug, can you promise them with this bill that exists, the paul ryan bill, for lack of a better term, that they will be able to have both of those things? their costs will go down? they will feel it, see the difference, and have more choice? >> i think that is absolutely right. some of the research done by a nonpartisan group shows immediate premium reductions from this. we have seen the ability of the states to take over a lot of the regulation, gives us a lot more flexibility and choice for individuals. and i have little doubt about that. i think there is a fantastic future. the issue in the kinds of things being posed is, they want to have it both ways, senate one way, they want the vote they want. in the end, the house and senate have to vote on the same bill. have to stretch from the freedom caucus to susan collins. >> i think you have to start with the assumption that you're going to have a bill and get there from there. we've got to go. thank you very much, good to see both of you tonight. also tonight, the death toll in the london terror attack rising at this hour. we are learning more now about the suspected killer and his very troubled past. i had come out we are going to take you to london live for the latest on that. plus, the confirmation hearings for judge neil gorsuch are over. but the real fight is about to begin as the democratic leadership in the senate makes a surprising decision to filibuster this highly popular nominee. karl rove and juan williams standing by, up next. allergies with nasal congestion? 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>> i think the real issue here is merrick garland and the fact that republicans blocked president obama from advancing a nominee to the court for almost a year. there is a big, you know, problem, something is mysteriously missing in the roo room, you see even people who i would describe as moderates >> martha: let me ask you one thing. >> let me finish my point. >> martha: in washington, if you look at something and you think it is egregious, your response is to do the same thin thing? isn't that sort of eighth grade? >> not in the current washington where there is so much current political paralysis to the point of dysfunction. i think what you're asking is that democrats would lay down and say, you know what, we understand what republicans did over the course of the last year and denying merrick garland the opportunity to meet was wrong, but we are not going to say that two wrongs make a right. but in this current situation where you have donald trump in the white house, where it is all about wiretaps, collusion, all that, that that person should then immediately step in and be given the opportunity to nominate a supreme court justice, i think that is why you had even moderate democrats like even bob casey of pennsylvania saying they will filibuster. >> martha: i think the american people across the country look at that and they say, gee, if we ran our lives that way, we would be in pretty big trouble. if you have to overlook a person who is obviously qualified for the job, karl, and you're going to bring in every other dirty issue and pin it on this guy to make yourself feel better, that's not really where we want to be. >> let's put this in perspective. we have the vice president of the united states when he was in the united states senate, george biden, say that george w. bush should not be allowed to nominate a replacement to the supreme court in his last year in the presidency. we have a democrat minority leader, chuck schumer, say in july of 2007, a year and a half before the end of george w. bush's time in office, that he should not be allowed to propose that have accepted by this senate a nominee for the supreme court. so they set the rules. the rules were, for the last 80 years, no president has been able to nominate in the last year of their term in office. now we get to this very able individual, and we have seen three days of unserious questions by the democrats. i've been astonished. dianne feinstein, the ranking democrat, normally a reasonable person, said, and i'll quote her here, you have been very much able to avoid specificity like no one i have seen before. that is by repressed and press and press. i looked at what she asked in 1993 to ruth bader ginsburg, and they didn't ask specific questions. she said, don't even bother asking me specific questions. >> martha: that is how the game is played now. now, apparently, the game is played to the point where you have to have the right house and senate if you want to get someone through. it makes me think, juan, you don't need hearings anymore. >> quickly commit the key point here is commit the court has become so politicized, martha, everybody knows this is about republicans wanting somebody who will support their point of view and not democrats who will support another point of view. quickly, in response to karl, i seem to member that not anthony kennedy was nominated and confirmed in the last year. >> no, he was nominated a year and a half before president reagan left office, confirmed five days. >> obviously, and the final year. >> martha: thank you, juan, thank you commit karl. we are learning more details tonight about a very disturbing story. it is any alleged rape of a 14-year-old girl and rockville, maryland. the case is sparking a lot of debate about immigration, the loopholes that allowed these two young men to be here. we'll take you there for the very latest information that we have learned tonight in this case. thus, the death toll is rising after the terror attack near the british parliament, terror scare in belgium now has all of europe on high alert. we'll discuss next. >> we are not afraid and our results will never waver in the face of terrorism. that cause nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes. for relief beyond the nose. flonase. at crowne plaza we know business travel isn't just business. there's this. 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have no details emerging about the suspect and yesterday's deadly terror attack near the british parliament in london. the alleged terrorist killed four people including an american man from utah, kurt cochran. isis has now claimed responsibility as we learned that the suspect had a history with law enforcement. foreign affairs correspondent benjamin hall joins us. sitting on edge after the terror sweep last night. good evening to you. >> good evening, martha. less than 24 hours after this brutal attack on westminster bridge, where it first started, it was already opened again. a clear sign from the u.k. government that they would not be brought to their knees by terrorists. as you say, we are learning more about the attacker himself. his name was khalid masood. he was 52 years old, and he was born in britain, and had a spate of prior arrests, possession of weapons and assault. he had also, tellingly, been under investigation for extreme and extremism. today commit seven arrests carried out in london, more principally, birmingham. masood is believed to come from there. memories of yesterday's attacks are still strong. four people are now dead and six remained in critical condition. the victims came from 11 different countries, germany, china, south korea, ireland, greece, as you said, also among them, an american. kurt cochran was 54, he ran a recording studio business and he was visiting london to visit the 25th wedding anniversary. she remains in critical condition. condolences coming from around the world. this is seen not only as an attack on the u.k. parliament but also an attack on western values in general. martha? >> martha: been, another story this afternoon about a possible suspicious finding in antwerp. but can you tell us about that? >> a very similar kind of attack to the one we saw here, fortunately foiled. a tunisian man was driving his car at high speed into a shopping center, shopping street. he was stopped by the military, but they found in the trunk of his car weapons, military uniform, and a gas canister full of suspicious liquid. it does seem as though another terror attack was averted there, and it does seem as though isis are using vehicles more and more. it has become their favorite sort of weapon because it is so hard to find a defense against it. >> martha: benjamin hall, thank you very much. joining me know, lieutenant colonel tony shaffer, senior fellow at the london center for policy research, and a former islamic extremist and author of "radical, my journey out of islamist extremism." good to have you both here. let me start with you. when you listen to the details of this story, what strikes you the most about what we need to be concerned about here. >> unfortunately, as we just heard commit these sorts of attacks are going to be coming extremely common and difficult to predict and stop. what we do know is predictable pattern would exist in both of them, not just a random vehicle being used to attack people. we also know that these extremists will seek to pick out high propaganda targets, they seek to attack police officers, as has happened here. and we have to acknowledge the loss of life of everyone, also of a very brave police officer. finally, understand that because we can't predict them, the long-term solution is going to have to be building community resilience within muslim communities who have to start speaking out against this sort of poisonous, extremist rhetori rhetoric. >> martha: there was a woman who was on with tucker carlson last night, a british author, and she has been criticized because she has spoken out against multiculturalism. she said that this idea that london comes together as a city after something like this is not true, that there are such distinct sections of the city where people continue to live within their own culture, that the cultures are not lending. do you agree? >> it the way that multiculturalism was in fermented in the united kingdom and the '90s is largely responsible for the polarization and self segregation and immobility in britain and across europe. we muslims are disproportionately represented in prisons, underemployed, and we are suffering to progress and get ahead and advance due to some of those policies. as someone who identifies as a liberal, perfectly consistent to speak out against this. let me give you one example. lived in birmingham. one in ten attackers in birmingham, one in ten attackers from across the u.k., purchased five wards in the city of birmingham. if that's what multiculturalism has produced, i'm sorry, something has gone wrong in regard to address it. >> martha: what do you think? >> i agree, we've got to look at the root of this. you can take guns away, take explosives away, but this violent attitude will find whatever weapon is available. it is a cultural issue. that may be clear on this, we have faced here before. my first operations in europe, chasing a group called the red army group, the ref, which was a terror group funded by the russians as part of the effort against us. we need to look at how we defeated that sort of thing back during the cold war. we talked about, as part of brexit, asked nader to start working on this, then we have to work with people like the presis said, islam must give up violence as part of its faith. it is counterproductive. i think we have to work both at the tactical level to figure out what targets they are going to go after, how we could good counterterrorism, this can be done. but at the same time, you have to change the culture. putting things together like in birmingham -- by the way, i work with good muslims in birmingham, a group called the association of british muslims, formed in the late 19th century, works to try to counter this. we have folks we have to work with in the community to take the violence out of the message. >> martha: will leave it there, our thoughts and prayers with kurt cochran's family tonight, the american who was killed in that attack in that beautiful spot on westminster bridge were so many people wanted to visit, as he did come up with his wife. up next to my attentions running high in maryland tonight after new details from the alleged rape at brockville high school as this case continues to emerge. doug mckelway joins us with brand-new information, and katie pavlich and michelle here to debate. this is humira helping to relieve my pain... ...and protect my joints from further damage. humira has been clinically studied for over 18 years. humira works by targeting and helping to... ...block a specific source... ...of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. it's proven to help relieve pain and... ...stop further joint damage in many adults. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or 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growing demands for answers as to why these two suspects who reports suggest were both illegal immigrants were allowed not only to remain in the united states but to enroll as freshmen in a public high school. but even amid all of the controversy surrounding this, some lawmakers there have been pushing legislation to make maryland a sanctuary state. foxes doug mckelway joins us with the details tonight. hi, doug. >> tonight we are at the montgomery county detention center where earlier this afternoon, the defense attorney for one of the accused, 18-year-old henry sanchez, had his first ever face-to-face meeting with his client. in an exclusive television interview with us, the lawyer, rated as one of the top 100 maryland attorney speight super lawyer magazine, described that first ever meeting with the man who has become a focal point over the immigration battle in the united states. >> we talked about the case, the facts, his background, how he got here come up with his defenses are, and how he got here as a person. he is a humble, soft-spoken guy who fled a lot of gang violence in his country, talked about his trek through guatemala and mexico, talked about his detention with i.c.e., talked about how i see chose to let him go. >> jezic also told us he feels his client is innocent of all charges. they plan to fight the charges and he believes they will be acquitted. >> the physical evidence is not there. there are no scratches, no bruises, there is no injuries like that. also, this is a bathroom in the middle of the day where it doesn't appear that she was screaming or anybody heard anything going on. >> that is a confident pronouncement, met with a very swift rebuttal earlier today. >> there is physical evidence of a rape and assault, very clear that there was no consent in this whatsoever. >> when asked why sanchez is not being charged with statutory rate, as he is 18 and the victim in this case was 14 years old, maryland has a unique law that requires a minimum separation of age of four years, in this particular case, it was just under that, three years and some months, meaning it doesn't means make meets new make maryland statutory requirements. >> martha: katie pavlich and michele jawando, legal progress vp, good to have both of you here tonight. michelle, let me start with you. what do you say to those who say, regardless of the legal outcome in this case, these two young men do not belong in this school? they are too old to be freshmen in the public high school and they are illegal in this country. >> i will say this, as a montgomery county resident, as someone who is living in this community every day and raising young girls, i first have to say that the allegations of what happened are heinous. we'll start there. but i will tell you, the u.s. constitution prohibits the ability of anyone who would like to attend a public school, prohibited in a 1982 decision, from inquiring about your status, your immigration status, and allows everyone access to public education. that is what our constitution says. so it is a horrible, horrible circumstance, let me start with that, but it is important to recognize what the constitution says on this issue. >> martha: it katie? >> the supreme court doesn't say it, a supreme court precedent does. but this idea that marilyn saying they want to be a sanctuary state four days later after this horrific incident after two young men, not children like the fortino victim is, from very violent countries like guatemala and el salvador, where they have a very serious ms-13 gang problem, been put in our system using public school resources and enrolled as freshmen in order to learn english as adults is absurd, ridiculous, and a public risk, as we have seen. they should have never been in the country. the local authorities, who refused to participate with i.c.e. to make sure the retainer was held on them, i.c.e. letting them go in the first place under obama's catch and release program, all of that has to change. if you look at the comments that were made by the parents who attended the superintendent meeting on tuesday night, a number of them saying, look, we're happy to take our kids out of the schools because we feel like they are unsafe. the idea that we have illegal alien young men using our public school system from very violent countries where they have no fighting on their criminal history before they came here, it has to stop, putting people in danger. >> martha: michelle, what do you say to those parents. >> >> a few things paid i am apparent in montgomery county. i will tell you first and foremost that the law in maryland, local, federal, and state, it makes it clear, if you are between the ages of 13 and 21, you have a right and an opportunity to attend public schools in montgomery county. that is the law. secondly, there is no prohibition on working with i.c.e. i will make it known over and over. there is no prohibition on law cooperation with i.c.e. officials. let 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