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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 10:31:00

is something. it is something that a jury will it ll loom large in this case because he is someone who served his country. on the video, this is another point, you see other strangers, not friends of this defendant, but strangers helping out. if i m on the defense, i call those people. everybody in that subway to say, why were you also assisting? well, they probably, you can infer they also perceived some threat and thought some use of force was necessary. finally, and this is the biggest one, for any new yorker, the key here is going to be getting people on that jury who ride the subway. i ride the subway, i have for years. i ve seen it change over time, pre-pandemic, during the pandemic, and now post-pandemic. you probably will hear some version of this argument in closing. the d.a. here indicted penny. they should have indicted themselves for the way the subways have deteriorated over the years. the time it took for police to respond to this meant that people riding the subway hav

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 10:13:00

processes go and where that leaves us when we get closer to the election. again, it did show with that very pro-trump audience at the town hall, it showed that he is still the dominant figure in the party. where is ron desantis? what is he doing? what is he saying? will he get in the race at all? if he does, what are his prospects while trump is sort of getting the old band together? just in case our audience is confused by donald trump invoking chinatown all the time, that s where some of the chinatown and washington, d.c. in an office is where some of the boxes were stored. donald trump and others present it as something nefarious connected to the chinese government or something. it s chinatown in washington, d.c. jen, you were there with joe biden when he ran against donald trump in 2020. obviously, a little bit of a different thing here in 2024. because when you all were running, donald trump had not yet led an attempted coup

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 10:32:00

take matters into their own hands. i think that s probably some version of an argument you re going to hear in closing if this case makes it to trial. i think what you heard from some new yorkers, many new yorkers, is, yes, they ve maybe seen this scene play out in their own experience on the subway, but why 15 minutes on the choke hold? why did he have to take it to the point where it killed the man, when he clearly was already subdued? exactly right. that is weakness. that s a strength for the prosecution. it ll be the reasonable. they ll have to disprove or essentially prove they have the burden to those his use of the choke hold was unreasonable, given, and the jury instructions say this, given what the defendant knew. that s going to be key. expect them to seize on that. this defendant, they ll argue, knew as a marine that his choke hold was a form of deadly force. he knew because of his training that what he was doing was the same as using a weapon. that s an argument the

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