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Transcripts for MSNBC Meet the Press 20240604 08:28:00

joining me to make sense of this, gwen keyes fleming, former manhattan district attorney, cyrus vance, and an npc news legal analyst and former fbi senior official, chuck rosenberg. gwen, you're the newest to my table here and you're the most familiar with georgia's racketeering law. explain why she felt that was the best way to try this case. >> sure. so the georgia rico statute is one of the best tools that a prosecutor can use when he or she is trying to tell a complex tore that involves multiple defendants who did various acts towards a common goal and that's exactly what you see here in terms of the conspiracy to overturn the results of the georgia election. you have 19 defendants, all of whom had a part or are alleged to have a part in effectuating the fraud. >> on one hand i've read if it

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crimes. so trump doesn't have the ability, if he's reelected, to pardon himself. because presidential pardons are only applicable to federal crimes. here, he is being brought up on charges for violating georgia criminal law. the georgia r.i.c.o. statute, -- conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer -- violations of criminal law. even if they are successful in changing the venue, he still has to be held accountable to georgia criminal statutes. and presidents don't have the ability to pardon them selves for state violations of law. >> okay. now this week more than 70 venture capital firms, many of them headed by black women signed an open letter denouncing the federal civil rights lawsuit against your clients, the atlanta-based fearless fund, veasey fund.

Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:22:00

think of it as a theft rig, but instead of stimulating, say, laugh laptops off the back of the track, it was trying to steal george's electoral votes. if you translate that into the statutory language, it does get vaporous and head-scratching, even for lawyers. i don't know if you want to move to that now or maybe talked to -- >> so pause that for second, i want to go to you, tanya, because the law in georgia is more capacious than the federal law we keep hearing about. it's been used quite a bit. it has been used by both fani willis is a prosecutor in her office. what is your experience with the georgia rico law? and my other question is, do juries go along with it as a general matter? >> i will tell you that the georgia rico statute is, as everyone has now picked up, thanks to madam d.a. fani willis, a very broad and powerful statute.

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what is your experience with the georgia rico law? and my other question is, do juries go along with it as a general matter? >> i will tell you that the georgia rico statute is, as everyone has now picked up, thanks to madam d. a. fani willis, a very broad and powerful statute. it is like a freight train for the prosecution running through the courtroom, one of the most difficult cases to defend and here's why. you don't have to be an enterprise in the traditional sense of the word. you don't have to be a business. you don't have to be a corporation. it doesn't have to be all that organized. in georgia, the enterprise can be formed just like that. this indictment spans a few months, essentially. that is what makes it so powerful. in addition to the enterprise being so loose, there isn't the same need to show a continuity between the fronts. you have to make sure these crimes were all done in

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the georgia rico statute has a five-year mandatory minimum sentence. >> that's a striking reminder, which again, any potential defendant would care about what you just said. we have some reporters as well that are charging all this for us in georgia and from the courthouse. before i go to them, though, barbara, for those of us keeping time, i'm curious what you think about, what if anything can be gleaned from the length of time that the grand jury proceeds. we do know, and i will remind viewers who may be catching up in the evening in the east coast, this was something that began today. we were told, it could be up to a two-day process, that they did hold the night past the usual court joining time five pm. again, you can go long, something else happens. again, you could go long because you are doing what they're doing now. you finally got the voting process. and rachel maddow and others are standing by for our coverage continuing here by the end of this hour. so, i am curious, barbara, do you glean anything from how long the voting process takes? >> yes, i think the fact that they have state this late

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she is a specialist. she's brought on her team a lawyer named john coyt who is known for his fluency with the georgia rico statute. that gives them the ability not only to exceed her jurisdiction in fulton county, georgia, and look at events that took place elsewhere in the state, but it does permit her to include these overt acts that took place outside of georgia as well. >> in reading the indictment last night and this morning -- because i got cross eyed last night. it was very late at night. i was struck by, as everyone was, the level of detail and the way that she went through day and day after day after day, donald trump made this call, this email was sent, it was responded to. devlin, you have been covering the aspects of this case even before we got this indictment, all of the aspects of what happened between the election

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steal the race? >> ari, i prosecuted the first corrupt public official in georgia under the georgia rico statute, and we got a conviction. there was a sheriff who we convicted of rico and murder. this statute is the most powerful weapon in a prosecutor's arsenal. because as you have just illustrated, not only can you bring in the crimes that occurred in georgia under the georgia statute, you can bring in crimes that occurred in other states and federal crimes. that's why jack smith probably did not use the federal statute. it's not as broad as the georgia statute, and with this statute, there are 160 overt acts that are alleged in the rico statute. the prosecutor only has to prove two of them to prove the rico charge. >> professor? >> again, this is a really broad and sweeping statute. the georgia statute is more expansive than most state rico

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prosecution of this thing, along with the timing of it all? >> i think that is right, this is a very different prosecution, with very different motivations than the one that jack smith is doing. his is a prosecution designed for speed, i suspect what we'll see here is the prosecution designed for completeness. the georgia rico statute is complicated, the longest trove that ever took place in georgia took a couple of months, a trial that took place under this particular statute. there are a lot of moving parts. add in additional defendants and you've got more complexity. we've all seen in the mar-a-lago prosecution, that it's taken time. just to get lawyers. just to arrange the defendants. which is a state that's usually so -- just, so routine, that it happens days following arraignment. but in florida, that's still ongoing. now, multiply that out, you've got a dozen or so defendants,